“What are your thoughts?”

A deep and profound sadness for Jimmy Akin.

My thoughts?  God bless President Obama for being more Christian in this moment than you, Mr. Akin.  If any man feels threatened by the recognition of families with two fathers, then that certainly says far more about his own inadequacies and insecurities than anything else.  These are parents—real parents—who devote their lives to raising their kids, just like any other family. 

Mr. Akin: you, and people like you, give Catholics a bad name.

Give me a break.

There is nothing Christian about telling people that sinful activity is OK. Condoning such activity by officially celebrating it cruelly misleads the very people whose lives need to be transformed by the fact that Jesus died to set us free from sin, not to give us permission to continue blithely living in it. It is a supreme act of cruelty and deception to let people think that God accepts such behavior as meeting his perfect righteousness and holiness. This deceptive misrepresentation reveals a gross misunderstanding of Christ’s love, his perfect sacrifice, his saving grace, and his intent that all should repent and come to his pure state of holiness.

Thank you Mr Akin for having the courage to speak out on this issue. To support two father families is to NOT be Christian. Please, those of you that support same sex unions, study the issue a little deeper than what you FEEL. I cannot convince you in this small space of what the truth is but please think about it a little more.

Dear Bill and Sean: I don’t know whether it’s naivete or rhetorical cant you’re indulging in, but anyone who looked at the president’s remarks and Jimmy’s response fairly could see what’s going on. The president tossed in a gratuitous pro-homosexual reference where none was needed. He didn’t do so for brothers and sisters raising a child, foster fathers, adoptive fathers, and numerous other household structures and relationships that could have been covered by “parents and guardians.”  Jimmy called him on it, and this father is grateful to him for it.

My thoughts are that the words of PaulVI are true.  “The greatest sin of the twentieth century is the loss of a sense of sin.”  Jim, your words are inflammatory here, too.  Our President is determined to stuff this down our throats.

A child reared by a single parent, or grandparents, or guardians happens as a result of an accident of nature.  No one planned it.  People died.  It happened through uncontrollable circumstances.  It was not deliberate.

A child “reared” by homosexuals is no accident, but the result of deliberate action.  It is therefore, illogical to compare the two modes of raising children.

Well, thank goodness I don’t subscribe to the same brand of Christianity you all do!  However, I am grateful we live in a society that allows us to coexist, despite how much I may vehemently disagree with you.  God bless you, and God bless all those who seek to make life better for others, regardless of those who would seek to persecute and condemn them.  Peace.

Dear Sean: I hope I speak for everyone who reads this item when I wish you God’s blessings as well. No one wants to persecute and condemn. We just know that the world gets better when what is good is identified as good and what is wrong is identified as wrong. The woman at the well comes to mind. For that matter, my own life comes to mind. A turning point in my life was when a priest was forthright enough to tell me my sinful lifestyle was “death.” I sincerely wish you peace.

Sean, Christianity isn’t a car or a soda or paper towels, there aren’t different “brands”. There is only TRUE Christianity. And TRUE Christianity says homosexual “parents” are wrong. You are free to disagree with that but disagreeing doesn’t make your viewpoint correct.

“persecute and condemn them.”

‘Cause, you know, Sean can see into people’s hearts, and he knows that everyone who doesn’t agree with him on homosexual “marriage” is a backwards brute who wants to “persecute and condemn” those they disagree with.

:(

God have mercy on our country and protect our children.

Thanks, Jimmy, for once again taking up the difficult topics and shedding some light on the subject.

God bless you.

Good post Mr. Akin. 

Has the President seen any barrier; natural, moral, economic, constitutional, or otherwise that he does seek to break?  His M-O if you will seems to be “break it down.”

This act is therefore no surprise, but it is an outrage not just to fathers but as well to children, history, culture, ordered society, and nature.

President Obama makes me terribly sad - sad for what has happened to America in just one generation. I’m not even 50 and I hardly recognize our country any longer. Where has it gone? The President is the poster child of the new, valueless, rootless, relativistic generation. No, June is NOT “LGBT” month. Not at all. It never will be. June is the month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus . . . and it always will be.

“Right on” Mike and thank you Mr.Akin God bless you and God have mercy on our country!

Wow!  Saying Jimmy Akin gives Catholics a bad name while simulatneously supporting Homosexual relatioships (see previous comments).....Some folks need to go back and learn about the faith before making such comments.

Keep up the great work Jimmy!

It saddens me that the president can’t just wish us all a happy Father’s Day without making a politcal statement.

Sean et al.: “More Christian”? Really? What about our Lord’s own words: “But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man.  For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a man” (Mt 15:18-20). To love as a Christian is to will the highest good for a person, and that highest good is union with God in Heaven. Some, however, may not like hearing the truth about what it takes to inherit the kingdom: “Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminates, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Cor 6:9-10).

“Bonus question for those who actually are fathers: How does it make you feel to have the concept of fatherhood treated in the way President Obama’s proclamation handles it?”

Combined with the many so-called Catholics and other Christians who see nothing wrong with it, I feel sad for our children and the future of our country.  And he was the one who associated his name with “hope”.  The audacity!

Slowly but surely the abnormal and unnatural get normalized into the culture. Things are “progressing” as planned.

It seems plain to me that Mr. Obama’s stance in favor of traditional marriage was mere pretense to get elected.  He is incrementally trying to spread the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle.  He knew that he true views would not be accepted by most Americans.  He knows that he cannot get the country to accept it entirely, overnight, and that to do so would cause a backlash.

Just more slouching toward Gomorrah.

Gee, who would have guessed that after 20 years in Rev. Wright’s “church” Obama turned out not to be Christian? I would say shame on the Christians who were deceived into voting for Obama but, as they say, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

The homosexual situation has done extreme harm to the Catholic Church.  The epebophile priest problem is not pedophilia it’s ephebophilia, homosexuals preying on teen boys.  That’s a positive for Mr. Obama, why wouldn’t he promote something that helps his agenda?

As a father, I am saddened and disgusted by the President’s proclamation, as well as his making June homosexualist pride month (this is the second year he’s done that). I, however, do not expect much from President Obama, especially in the way of fatherhood, since, as we recall from the campaign, he said he would advocate the murder of his own grandchild: “I wouldn’t want them [his daughters] to be punished with a baby.” Mr. President, how about sticking to defending and upholding the Constitution. How about trying to do what your daughter asked: “Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?”

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of Menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses.
Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9… I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I’m confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

Be not deceived: God is not mocked. Galatians 6:7

Careful, Jiff3. You are writing a check you can’t cover.

@Jiff3,

Good to see that the atheist/liberal/progressive OT exegesis web sites are still alive and kicking… God will not be mocked.

I’d like to take an informal poll.  Does anybody ever remember a time or a day in your life where you woke up and consciously decided which sexual orientation you’d live your life as?  I mean really.  I’ve about had it with the religious fanatics and their apparent mission to spread bigotry and hatred.  As far as I’m concerned they’re nothing more than terrorists themselves.  If, as they say and would like us to believe, everything God creates is perfect and beautiful; then either they’re full of sh%t, they don’t really believe all that they profess to believe, they pick and choose what to believe, or God’s full of sh%t and not quite as perfect as they say.  Which is it?

Every one of us was created by God, correct?  Heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual, and polysexual.  There’s only one God, correct?  Therefore, YOUR God created them all.  So that gives you two realities:

1. Your God isn’t so perfect and messed up big time,
2. You accept all that your God created and not edit out the parts you don’t particularly like.

With as much hatred as the religious fanatics spew, I’m surprised there’s any hatred left for others to toss around.

At least last year, he called on absent/missing fathers to step up to the plate and take responsibility….or was that 2 years ago during the campaign?

These [homosexual couples] are parents—real parents

I must have missed that day in biology where they talked about how two men produce a child.  How does that work?

I found it interesting that so many of the comments indicate that the nature of God’s love is to allow everyone to simply “co-exist” or just get along. This is not the reason that Jesus came. He came to “call sinners to repentance.” (Matt. 9:11, Mark 2:17, et al). If Jesus had come to allow people to co-exist, then he would have co-existed with the Pharisees, just to “get along.” God does not permit us to co-exist with sin: he condemns sin because sin is so destructive: sin is death itself. If we say that God himself made people to be homosexuals, then how far are we willing to carry that premise? Did God also make people to be adulterers or pedophiles or kleptomaniacs? Are we willing to blame God for all the behaviors that people engage in to “get along”? Do we think that it is an act of love to condone sin: to call evil good and good evil? How deceived the world has become in these days.

There is just too much legitimate research debunking the “normalcy” and “healthy lifestyle” propaganda on homosexuality for anyone to still accuse those speaking out against it of hateful intolerance.  Just the research alone on the increased incidence of homosexual lifestyles taken up by the children of these partnerships should give a supporter something to think about.
I invite you to check out some of these sources - including going to the original research cited at the end of the many articles. My first question to anyone inclined to trash this research would be: “Why are the professionals conducting this research any less credible than the professionals conducting your favorite research?”
http://narth.com/
http://www.lifesitenews.com/search/index.html?q=homosexuality&sa=Go

I saw we gather up all the Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals, and all the rest of the religious freaks and do a Hitler on them and gas them.  Maybe after they’ve experienced persecution and bigotry they’ll change their tune a little bit.

Troy,

“With as much hatred as the religious fanatics spew, I’m surprised there’s any hatred left for others to toss around.”

As your diatribe aptly demonstrates, for our fallen, concupiscent race, hatred is never in short supply.

Isn’t June also the month of the Sacred Heart of Jesus? We sure need to take advantage of the “abyss of mercy”! Boy, do we need it!

“Man is the only animal that blushes. Or needs to.” Mark Twain.

Mike,

The intent and tone of my writing wasn’t to be a diatribe, as you imply.  My intent was nothing more then an attempt to provoke thought.

I’m not sure what you hope to accomplish with this post. The tone lacks seriousness of purpose. You don’t appear to draw people to an intellectual consideration of the issues at stake here; rather, your tone induces one to rash judgement rather than contemplation.

My thoughts are that I will exercise my God-given free will and politely decline Obama’s invitation to celebrate this LBGT month. What I won’t do is effect an attitude of detestation for those who are very much in need of greater openness to and understanding of God’s love.

All that I can say is that God allowed Obama to be our president. God did not caused him to be president but He did allowed it. Therefore it is left to us who call ourselves “Christians” to pray for him that he might make the right decisions. We have to keep in mind that he is leader of a country; he has to be loving and tolerating of all Americans, sinners or not sinners.

Christopher said-“I saw we gather up all the Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals, and all the rest of the religious freaks and do a Hitler on them and gas them.  Maybe after they’ve experienced persecution and bigotry they’ll change their tune a little bit. “

Hitler already did this by the way-he did not just kill Jews, please do more research on history and also on WHY people might be against acting out on same sex attraction. Do you actually think I haven’t thought about accepting this behavior because it’s easier? I have close friends who have same sex attraction and I would love to support their lifestyle but can’t because I know it’s not good for them, just as my porn addiction was not good for me

I think Troy’s point is this, Alex.  He (or I) did not choose to be homosexual no more than you chose to be heterosexual.  Speaking for myself, had I known as a young fifteen year old boy that I would be destined to a life of ridicule, bigotry, open discrimination, hatred, etc.; I would have ended my life then.  And those are not mere words for dramatic effect.  Nobody in their right mind would choose that for themselves.  I come from an intact and very loving Catholic family raised in the typical Norman Rockwell/Leave it to Beaver lifestyle with Sunday school and church every Sunday.  My elementary school years were spent in the Catholic school system.  I am educated.  I served my country with distinction in the United States Navy.  I am gainfully employed.  I’m no burden on society at all.  I have hopes and fears and dreams and aspirations.  I am everything that every one of you are, other than I’m homosexual.

Would it please the Pope, the Church, the Catholic community, and you more if I was to end my life before God in the Sanctuary of my local church because as most seem to see it, I’m not worthy of even living at all simply because I’m homosexual?

I wanted to believe that the love of God and the Church was unconditional.  For years I wanted to believe that.  The reality is though that it’s not.  This webpage is proof positive of that.

Yo… evangelicals, catholics, and conservatives… as the wise and fierce Kathy Griffin would say… SUCK IT!  you too god!

organized religion is for people who dont have the balls to live life on lifes terms. organized religion is for people who cant accept reality so they gotta create some kind of fantasy world just so they can cope each day

and why do you all care who loves who and who is having sex with who anyway?  is it happening in your homes?is if your sin? is it going to be sending you to hell? unless you can answer yes to any one of those questions then why do you care so much?

“Would it please the Pope, the Church, the Catholic community, and you more if I was to end my life before God in the Sanctuary of my local church because as most seem to see it, I’m not worthy of even living at all simply because I’m homosexual?”

Very dramatic but incorrect.  God still loves us no matter what our brokenness may be.  An inclination towards homosexual behavior does not damage one’s relationship with God, but homosexual sex does.  So does heterosexual sex outside of marriage.  So does heterosexual sex within marriage if not open to life.  Get over yourself.  It’s not about satisfying your sexual inclinations that you apparently can’t control like a dog in heat, it’s about the meaning and purpose of sex.

What’s so deplorable about Obama’s proclamation is that it validates gay parenting as something just as good for children as a family with a mother and father.  That’s a lie.  Sometimes circumstances cause a child to be parented by one parent, or perhaps by more than one of the same sex.  Gay parenting abuses children by intentionally putting them into a family without a father or without a mother in order to satisfy the gay parents’ selfish desire to try to legitimize their “marriage”.  That’s cruel.  What right does anyone have to do that to a child?!

(P.P.S. Bonus question for those who actually are fathers: How does it make you feel to have the concept of fatherhood treated in the way President Obama’s proclamation handles it?)

Does that mean that I have to go out and get a boyfriend to be my son’s second father? I rather spend time with my wife!

Justin, why do I care who is having sex with who?
. Because gays don’t want to keep it private—they want the world to accept it as good, they want the public schools to teach my children that it is good, they want the president to proclaim that it is good.
. Because gays want to legitimize gay “marriage” and create families that intentionally deprive children of a mother or father.
. Because I don’t just care about myself
. Because the acceptance of gay sex as something good makes the main purpose of sex the satisfaction of physical desires—it makes sex selfish, not self-giving.

To all of you who think through some form of mass delusion that it is Christian to support homosexuality and “celebrate” it, where do you find your justification?  Christianity since earliest times has viewed homosexuality to be an intrinsic disorder, which it is.  St. Paul has said it rather explicitly in Romans 1:

“For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error… Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.”

It is taught without ambiguity that homosexuality is an aberration, in this case the result of the rejection of God; that it is filthy, and a sin worthy of death (mortal sin).  As such, it is not Christian to practice or support homosexuality any more than it would be to practice or support adultery, murder, demon worship, or any other grievous sin.

“Christian” means “of or pertaining to Christ.”  If you think homosexuality and its support is inherently Christian, and those pointing out its sinfulness are anti-Christian, I think you should take the time to figure out who Christ really is.  Here’s a quick hint: he’s not Obama, a homosexual activist, or the feminist at your local Planned Parenthood.

Great job, Mr. Akin! You’re telling the truth as it is, not as others want to water it down for selfish convenience.

When the authority of the Church is denied, marriage is declared “not a sacrament”, birth control is accepted as normal and good, abortion is viewed as an absolute right, divorce is a common practice, and the unique mental and physical rolls of men and women are rejected, then we should not be shocked when the world embraces homosexual fatherhood as a beautiful thing. Until Christians, and especially we Catholics, shine the light of self-giving love, and committed, complimentary, life-giving marriages, then we can expect a dark world to grow ever darker.

Definitions of father and mother are changed by the government to suit some who stray from the normal path. There can be only one father, the one who gives life to the children .  Only a fatherless nation will be interested in different types of father.  Let us pray for all such people who think in different ways about the fatherhood for more wisdom to understand the sacredness of Fatherhood gifted by God on eartly fathers

The president belittles my fatherhood with this garbage.  For the record, the President and the rest of America should note that fatherhood is not: 1) a means of adding children as accessories to your lifestyle, homosexual or heterosexual, 2) a means of making new little “buddies” who will be your best friend, 3) political leverage or means of political expression. Fatherhood is about participating in co-creative, life-giving action with God to bring forth human persons with immortal souls who deserve to be raised in an environment of authentic love and educated toward their purposes. Our society’s tendency to turn children into accessories undercuts the reality of parenthood. Homosexual adopting couples follow exactly this mindset, but they aren’t alone. Many people who really don’t like children and would rather sterilize themselves for just that purpose have one or two kids and stop there because although they don’t like kids and think they get in the way, they want to have the status of having the “ideal” family. Anytime the kids are naughty, the parents are permissive because they just don’t care about the authentic good of the children, nor are they willing to put up with the inconvenience of discipline. Their kids become spoiled brats. Fatherhood must consist of a man’s commitment to seek the supreme good for his children. Homosexual couples aren’t capable of this. The nature of their relationship and “family” dynamic directly violates the good of any children they could adopt.

First, could President Obama be refering to a divorced couple where a child has not only his biological father but also his step father, therefore having two fathers?  Second, I still have a hard time with Christians who accept divorce and remarriage when our Lord specifically spoke against it except for adultry, then turn on homosexuals whom the Lord never spoke against.  As a born again gay man, I marvel at the grace of God who saves without regard to mans approval or disapproval. Instead of forcing gay members of the church back into hiding, we need to work and encourage them to live lives acceptable to our Lord’s commandments.

What??? We’re not supposed to be fooling around except to make babies?  Well dayum - I like doin it just for the fun of it!

And you dont have to worry about the gay dudes and chicks destroying the institution of marriage bcuz the straights have done a fine job of that on their own since gays cant get married. Look at Tiger Woods, Jessie James, Larry King, Liz Taylor, and hundreds of others. And look at how many people get divorces for all sorts of bs reasons.

its like this (watch this vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcOHrxNJjg

There are many things that those attacking the Catholic understanding of homosexuality miss, entirely. I detect no “homophobic” or bigoted analysis here, but there is some undeniable hatred directed at Catholics in previous posts. Catholics have real (not false) compassion for homosexuals, the happiness of their lives in this world, the salvation of their souls in the next, and, very importantly, a grasp of how to create and keep a happy and flourishing society for all of us. For this we rely on the wisdom of the Church which holds as its fundamental belief, the protection and defense of LIFE and FAMILY based on a thorough and proper understanding of natural law. Freedom, which we all naturally seek, becomes distorted when it is removed from a proper understanding of natural law. Freedom becomes an illusion when separated from moral virtue. Moral virtue is essential for any society to function as human beings are designed to function. Those virtues have been defined, and they have proven to deliver what they promise. Societies crumble when those virtues are separated from each other or when they are altered to meet an agenda that seeks “freedom” outside the limits that they prescribe. Wise Catholics sense that “progress” attacks these virtues, and so attacks real freedom which is always found within normal and natural limitations. We see that the heterosexual tradition is not the cause of homosexual discontent. The cause is signing up for a life of self-delusion that corrodes the psyche. We see attacks on life and family, we see the destruction of individuals and of society as a result of being attached to a “progress” which lacks wisdom. We see that the farther we get away from the true wisdom of the Church, the more people suffer. Read ‘Sexual Authenticity’ by Melinda Selmys for an insightful and wise defense of Catholic teaching and a rejection of the homosexual manifesto.

“The greatest sin of the twentieth century is the loss of a sense of sin.”

To Christopher, who wrote: “I saw [sic] we gather up all the Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals, and all the rest of the religious freaks and do a Hitler on them and gas them.  Maybe after they’ve experienced persecution and bigotry they’ll change their tune a little bit.” I personally invite you, Christopher, to come to my house and try and “gather up” me and my family. I don’t know what tune you’ll change to after that, but I promise it will be in a much higher key.

Well said Mr. Akin. Don’t be bothered by criticisms of your article by the PC crowd. The PC crowd of Jesus’s day also criticized him for what He said. The PC crowd does not like does who tell the truth.

Remember, Rene, it wasn’t the sinners who criticized Jesus, it was the religious leaders.

Actually Bruce, everyone’s a sinner, some sinners criticized Christ and others followed him, it was the unrepentant and those who rejected his teachings who criticized Jesus.  Some of those happened to be religious, just as some religious were open to the teaching of Christ, like Nicodemus or Simon, etc.

As for the whole PC crowd, listen to Matthew Chapter 10:

32 Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, I also will confess him before my Father who is in the heavens. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in the heavens.

34 Do not think that I have come to send peace upon the earth: I have not come to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man at variance with his father, and the daughter with her mother, and the daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law; 36 and they of his household shall be a man’s enemies.

37 He who loves father or mother above me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter above me is not worthy of me. 38 And he who does not take up his cross and follow after me is not worthy of me. 39 He that finds his life shall lose it, and he who has lost his life for my sake shall find it.

40 He that receives you receives me, and he that receives me receives him that sent me. 41 He that receives a prophet in the name of a prophet, shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man, shall receive a righteous man’s reward

Disappointed in our president. The slight at fatherhood embedded in his proclamation is upsetting, but not really surprising. He’s simply keeping up his promises to the Gay Lobby to do all he can to normalize homosexual lifestyles—-in this case, gay adoption. Nevermind the mounting evidence of sound social science that shows the damage done to children who are not raised by both a father and a mother. But never let the truth get in the way of political campaigning…

anonymous contributor, your correct, my error in words, we are all sinners.  However, my point is that it is us “sinners” who reap the bigotry of some of the religious folks.  Some need to heed the words in James 1:19-20 (ASV)  Ye know this, my beloved brethren. But let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

I to am sadden that we can’t simply wish all those fathers a happy father’s day and leave it at that. I find it offensive that these politically correct statements masked as “inclusiveness” are excluding many people. To go even further, at a service I attended on Father’s Day, the pastor felt obliged to include thoughts for those who, “had fathers who did not live up to their responsibilities and who left scars on their now adult children.” I would prefer just a simple statement to all fathers…let’s leave the rest for some other day.

Simple.  Pfffff to God and pfffff to all of you! Abolish religion in the USA and adopt atheism. Thats the only way our society will ever advance past the dysfunctional stage that we’re at now.

Well I’d suggest this conversation has run its course…

“I saw we gather up all the Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals, and all the rest of the religious freaks and do a Hitler on them and gas them.  Maybe after they’ve experienced persecution and bigotry they’ll change their tune a little bit.”

Funny . . . I’ve actually studied history so I know this statement to be patently silly. Catholics have been persecuted since the week after Christ’s Ascension! (His followers were hiding in the upper room “for fear of the Jews” - meaning the Sanhedrin.)

In fact, & this is ever funnier, the very statement quoted above is persecution! Advocating a very large part of the population be rounded up to be gassed. Well done! Good job! That puts you in some mighty . . . *good* company, Christopher. I’m sure you enjoy your enlightened point of view.

You feel you have a right to live how you choose to live. And so you do we all do, but not for the reasons you might think. God gave us free will & we may exercise it in any way we desire. But that does not mean there won’t be consequences to our actions.

I, also, as a Catholic Christian, have a right to live how I’ve chosen to live. At least I do at the time of this writing. There are some who, if they have their way, would put into action what Christopher advocates above. Thanks, Christopher, for presenting us all with an insightful window into a very possible future & the persecution that could be coming. May God have mercy on us all.

Be careful what you wish for.

Great article.

Obummer is trying to be president and liked by those that voted him in.

Too bad gerenal McCrystal did not turn himself into a “real” martyre today. The general was just speaking the truth.

A.M.D.G.

“Love the sinner, hate the sin.”  Another great piece by Mr. Akin.  Two men or two women cannot be “married”.  That’s a fact.  Every society in human history (even the ones that were tolerant of sodomy) acknowledged marriage as being the union of one man and one woman.  Thirty-six out of thirty-six states who have voted on the issue of same-sex unions and said the same thing.  Let’s follow the teachings of the Catholic Church and not make up our own religion.  That doesn’t work.

RE: A.M.D.G.

Let’s not make up our own religion?

*As I get up off the floor from laughing so hard having read that.*

Let’s think about this one.  Let’s not make up our own religion.  Let’s see, how many religions are there to choose from?  There’s more than one, that’s for sure.  In fact, in the United States alone there are over a dozen main religions and hundreds of faiths and sects.

I’ve got to hand it to you A.M.D.G., spoken like a true politician and a true conservative; the ability to speak out of both sides of your mouth and your southern exposure all at the same time.

Correction:  my reply was directed to Terence M. Stanton.

“And you dont have to worry about the gay dudes and chicks destroying the institution of marriage bcuz the straights have done a fine job of that on their own since gays cant get married. Look at Tiger Woods, Jessie James, Larry King, Liz Taylor, and hundreds of others”.

So gay “marriage” isn’t any worse than failed marriage.  I hope your occupation isn’t in sales:  “Buy our fake milk and give it to children—it doesn’t taste any worse than sour milk!  What, are you a bigoted fake milk hater!  Not all kids get sick on it!”

JohnE- No sir thats not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is the ONLY argument that the anti same-sex marriage front has come up with is that it will destroy the institution of marriage. So with that being their only argument I’m just saying that their argument is rebuked bcuz the institution of marriage has already been ruined and same-sex people didn’t have anything to do with it since they cant participate in it.

Today,

Oh yes, because we all know how “enlightened” the atheists have been throughout the 20th century.  Lenin and Stalin were very enlightening, as was Mao, Pol Pot, and the numerous other atheists who put their absurd policies into practice.

They certainly produces some enlightened societies, didn’t they?

TCF, you’re making Mr Stanton’s point!

See, the Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ on earth. Jesus Christ is God - the 2nd Person of the Holy Trinity, to be more specific. So, all those other churches are not the true Church founded by the creator of the universe, which would include you & me. (Which doesn’t mean those folks can’t be saved, but that’s another discussion & totally off topic.) Despite what anyone believes, God wants us to follow Him in the way He desires we follow Him. Who am I to say Him nay? (Although I do have free will so I could, if I wanted to. Many do.) There is only 1 true religion, TFC. The existence of others doesn’t negate this fact; nor does it make those others equal to the faith Christ founded in any way. Even if they teach things you may believe but are diametrically opposed to the teachings of the Church He founded.

That would be speaking out of both sides of one’s mouth, wouldn’t it? One can’t say, “I believe in Christ but I reject certain teachings of the Church He founded.” It’s His Church because it teaches His teachings. If you reject Christ’s teachings, you reject Christ. You can’t have it both ways.

Justin, you have a very narrow view of the plethora of arguments against same-sex “marriage.” The most basic one is that it’s against natural law. The prohibition against same-sex “marriage” is most definitely not a Christian-only thing.

But please take the time to read this interview with Fr John Harvey: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/keane/100620

Fr Harvey address both the natural law argument, in a very basic way (frankly, there’s quite a lot more to it), AND your point that traditional marriage was already messed up by heterosexuals.

Hey, that,s OK he is bi-sexual and knows all about the abnormal sexual behavior. I think you would be surprised how many of the present administration top guns are either homosexual or bi-sexual (men and women).
Just a sign of the secular world…..

Just a question if I may.  Would it be more palatable if instead of same sex marriage they simply do a same sex union or civil partnership, this way the natural order of marriage is protected and all parties accomplish what they seek?  Isn’t this really the solution to the question of same sex marriage?

We are all given different crosses to bear in life….some men and women were given the cross of attraction to the same sex.  This I’m sure is by no means I am sure an easy cross to bear, but it’s ultimate purpose is to bring you closer to God.  Obviously the abnormal attraction would be the temptation which was allowed by God, in order that you choose him, over participating in the homosexual act which becomes a sin.  We are all tempted daily to sin, but are also all called to rise above temptation to prove our LOVE for our God.  Instead of feeling sorry for the way the world treats you and seeking approval throughout….find TRUE Love in Christ, he will give you strength to overcome your cross, to bear it in the name of God and to happily choose him over a sinful lifestyle.
You will be rewarded great with eternal life:)

This post is offensive beyond belief. Of course all American families deserve recognition on fathers day. This includes catholic families, single parent families, and the families of gays and lesbians. I applaud president Obama for uniting us as one country and I condemn this author for attempting to divide us.

Obama is VERY “religious”, he simply is not a Christian. His religion is state worship. The only thing standing against the state as god is Christianity, more specifically orthodox Catholicism. To claim that only “organized religion” tries to regulate peoples behavior is nonsense. We currently have much less liberty than before people were converted in government schools to humanism and herd behavior(and this is well documented) and delphi-ed into accepting media mainstreamed dysfunctional ideas as “normal”. We are told what we must think, value, how we must live, at what we are allowed to work, eat, drink, what meds to take. State worship is catechized in churches called schools and universities (some of the most NON-“tolerant” places existing), their priests are called teachers and judges, voting, lobbying and activism are their sacraments. We are witnessing the gradual elimination of Gods model of the family and its replacement with a man designed model. The ultimate goal is what C.S. Lewis called “The Abolition of Man”. We are witnessing the reduction of humanity to animals herded and led by more “evolved” alpha animals. The attack on men and fatherhood continues…...

The cross that we have to bear is living in this world with Satan and his temptations. To deny the natural order of things created by God is to agree with Satan. If you condone homosexual behavior then you are not Christian. We must love the person but hate the sin. The sole purpose of Satan is to unite us all in sin against God. Man and Woman are united as one with the sole purpose of obeying God and raising a family. Persons of the same gender cannot unite in Gods purpose. Remember, God created man and woman for the purpose of companionship and reproduction. Will you follow Gods plan or Satan?

Just want to say, my birthday is in June. Therefore, I’m a little possessive. And.. I don’t appreciate the TRUTH being turned upside down and then smeared all over my month. Fatherhood is a gift.. given in the image of our Father in heaven, who is love himself. We should never condemn, for we do not have the right and we are all sinners. However, the LORD has given us truths through his Word and through the tradition of the Church, established by his Son, Jesus Christ, and these truths we can proclaim without fear and with fervence. Therefore, the natural order of sexuality as a full and whole gift of self between a man and a woman, for life, is established by Him, not by man. And thus it is not wrong to support this, proclaim it, and be upset and offended when a public figure of authority mocks this truth and presents a falsehood as something to be honored. That is scandal, and it is unacceptable.
C’mon Christians, we celebrate martyrs who wouldn’t acknowledge the King of England’s “divorce” and who were subsequently beheaded, but we won’t publically speak out when another leader chooses to do a slipshot job of morality and we don’t face consequences other than people telling us we’re not “pc”? Sheesh! Hate the sin, not the sinner. No one should feel attacked, but the truth should be witnessed to, and if that challenges people to change, that is exactly what it should do. We all have to convert, daily, in different ways. We’re on a journey together and we should be helping each other along the road.

Jebus Christ kate, did you read anything you wrote?  And you don’t think the church is cramming their BS down our throats every freakin day?  You don’t think the church is cramming their BS into our politics every day?

Typical though of the neocon-religious right, only consider the parts that fit and justify your position.  When you see a white wall, do you see white or does God tell you its really green?

Separation of church and state:  That was written for a reason.  The church has NO right and NO business affecting the laws of the State.  That is a NON-NEGOTIABLE GUARENTEE OF THE CONSTITUTION REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT YOU LIKE, THE WAY YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE, OR HOW CHRISTIAN YOU ARE.  The church does not have the right to side step that constitutional protection and force its will on our government or our citizens.  None of us do.  If they want that right, then they can do what’s only been done 27 times in the entire history of the United States.

Brent, the Church doesn’t cram anything down anyone’s throat. Catholics and non-Catholics have free will. Do you think the Church has crammed pro-life teaching down Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden’s throats?

They are two of the biggest abortion promoters in the USA, and they’re supposed to be Catholic.

So, no, you are incorrect.

The Church proposes, not imposes.

AND… it’s the Church’s duty to teach the truth, whether we agree with it or not.

Separation of Church and state is a myth and those words appear no where in the Constitution. FREE EXERCISE of religion does appear in the Constitution.

>>>Jebus Christ<<<
Brent, who/what is that? Mocking God is not a good idea.

Yes, there are a lot of so-called “Christians” who want to live by the sword of state because that is the game, the state is sovereign over all and everyone must constantly bicker and fight to force the other guy to live as HE wants them to. But that does not negate the fact that the state has simply sought to replace God with itself. When a persons God centered worldview must take second place to regulations and arbitrary laws of men THAT is asserting the state as the predominant worldview, a religion. John Dewey BRAGGED about using the government schools to convert children to humanism from traditional religion to better “serve society”.
I’m not a Neocon, I am a market anarchist. I am not in favor of anyone forcing anyting on anyone else. There is no need for it. God meant for us to make our own choices. Don’t be so sure that everyone who is not accepting the “normalcy” of homosexuality is a Neocon or “right-wing”.

Separation of church and state is a myth. The state has asserted itself as supreme. Oh, we can have our silly little religions as long as they don’t offend the protected classes as deemed by the god-state or interefere with the objectives of the state, some of which are reducing humans to cattle and eradicating the traditional family.  Your claim: “The church has NO right and NO business affecting the laws of the State” is the mantra of the state worshipper. Just because you don’t call them your gods doesn’t mean they aren’t. “Secular” is a myth. And PUHLEEZE spare me the further nonsense about Constitutional “guarantees”. All the tyranny we currently endure was ENABLED by your bible, the Constitution. I don’t require you to believe or worship as I do so why do you require I worship your state, demand that I bow to their worldview?

this is gonig to light this place on fire but if i want to get screwed by a guy because its a fun thing to do then i’m going to open my legs and have fun. if i want to go down on a chick because its fun then i’m gonna put on my bib and start eating

You’re in my prayers Donna!

There are some serious points being overlooked in favor of more inflamatory ones.  But addressing the serious points might bring us all closer to the truth.  A couple of acknowledged “homosexual” commentators said they have experienced God and I have heard the comment before from priests that they believe homosexual priests are “loved” by God and have experienced God. Unfortunately, they then surmise that homosexuality is ok with God.  This is where we disagree.  There is no doubt that God looks past the externals of a man to his heart.  But that incedible grace that He wallops us with should draw us away from sin and closer to Him.  He loved Mary Magdalene and she was a prostitute, but knowing Him drew her away from her past life.  She might have said, “I was a prostitute.”  But she never would say “I am a prostitute.” - because that part of her died when she encountered Jesus.  It held no more appeal.  The same should be true for a homosexual, wouldn’t you think?  Especially where Jesus himself calls it immoral.  (see Bible quotes above of Jesus speaking of sexual sin by other commentators). I too had a conversion experience and I knew incredible graces.  Some I corresponded to immediately and some I didn’t really want when they were offered.  I think this is the problem of the homosexual who has encountered Christ and remains homosexual.  They have been offered the grace to overcome all sin, but they aren’t willing or ready yet to acknowledge that this aspect of them must go.  It is carnal and earthbound and not worthy of a child of God.  Do you agree?  The second point I noticed was by a commentator who thought homosexuality was so integral to who he was that denying it would drive him to suicide.  I pray for him and any who feel like him.  I hope he realizes that greater than his bodily identity is his eternal spiritual identity.  He is God’s son!  The more he focuses on that the less attached he will be to any earthly labels.  Also God’s grace is greater than the evil that makes him despair of overcoming his homosexual identity or any self pity that makes him content to be the poor victim.  He is also saying he sees alot of hatred on a daily basis. Does he really see it or extrapolate peoples looks of distress or concern to something more negative?  How would he like people who oppose the homosexual lifestyle to interact with him?  Would he like us to question his sexual orientation and start a frank discussion?  Would he like us to act as if we don’t see anything that arouses suspicion of homosexuality?  Would he like us to disagree with his lifestyle and just ignore his actions?  I guess I am asking what does he think is love in these circumstances?  Christ have mercy on us all.

There are some serious points being overlooked in favor of more inflamatory ones.  But addressing the serious points might bring us all closer to the truth.  A couple of acknowledged “homosexual” commentators said they have experienced God and I have heard the comment before from priests that they believe homosexual priests are “loved” by God and have experienced God and this justifies allowing homosexuals into the priesthood. Unfortunately, they surmise that homosexuality is ok with God.  And their actions as active homosexuals can be holy?? This is where we disagree.  There is no doubt that God looks past the externals of a man to his heart.  But that incedible grace that He wallops us with should draw us away from sin and closer to Him.  He loved Mary Magdalene and she was a prostitute, but knowing Him drew her away from her past life.  She might have said, “I was a prostitute.”  But she never would say “I am a prostitute.” - because that part of her died when she encountered Jesus.  It held no more appeal.  The same should be true for a homosexual, wouldn’t you think? Certainly one who is to become a priest! Especially where Jesus himself calls it immoral.  (see Bible quotes above of Jesus speaking of sexual sin by other commentators). I too had a conversion experience and I knew incredible graces.  Some I corresponded to immediately and some I didn’t really want when they were offered.  I think this is the problem of the homosexual who has encountered Christ and remains homosexual.  They have been offered the grace to overcome all sin, but they aren’t willing or ready yet to acknowledge that this aspect of them must go.  It is carnal and earthbound and unnatural and not worthy of a child of God.  Do you agree?  The second point I noticed was by a commentator who thought homosexuality was so integral to who he was that denying it would drive him to suicide.  I pray for him and any who feel like him.  I hope he realizes that greater than his bodily identity is his eternal spiritual identity.  He is God’s son!  The more he focuses on that the less attached he will be to any earthly labels.  Also God’s grace is greater than the evil that makes him despair of overcoming his homosexual identity or any self pity or willfulness that makes him content to be the poor victim.  He is also saying he sees alot of hatred on a daily basis. Does he really see it or extrapolate peoples looks of distress or concern to something more negative?  How would he like people who oppose the homosexual lifestyle to interact with him?  Would he like us to question his sexual orientation and start a frank discussion?  Would he like us to act as if we don’t see anything that arouses suspicion of homosexuality?  Would he like us to disagree with his lifestyle and just ignore his actions?  I guess I am asking what does he think is love in these circumstances?  Christ have mercy on us all.

Well stated, Pam. (Both times! :-})

I get sad and disheartened when I see comments as those written by Brent posted last Thursday.  Brent there is nothing in the constitution about the separation of church and state meaning, “The church has NO right and NO business affecting the laws of the State.” Where did you get this from? To be exact, no corporate or group beyond the individual has a right to affect the laws of the state. It is only individuals who have the right of representation and the power of the vote by which we regulate the state, here in the US. As individuals we have a moral responsibility to use our conscience to formulate opinions and stands on political issues. As individuals we have the right to freely assemble with like minded people, the church for example, to further our political and social agenda within the body politic. If you don’t like it, change the constitution, remove the Bill of Rights. Oh, and by the way, it is my business and those of like minded individuals, the church for example, to work to make our society better.

In the words of Archbishop Chaput: “Catholics do believe in a separation of Church and State. We don’t like the State to tell us what to do. We don’t want the State to tell us to be quiet. And we don’t think that we have a right to impose our Catholic views on our government. So we believe in a separation of Church and State. But we don’t believe in a separation of faith and politics… So we should always say ‘Yes, separation of Church and State but not separation of faith and politics’.” (Archbishop Chaput, quoted the week of the November 2008 elections)

Believing in the state not having control over the Church is wonderful.

However, not having separation of church and state enshrined in our civil law is even better.

Not just the State not having control over the Church, but also the Church not having control over the State.  We believe in a separation of Church and State and should always say “Yes, separation of Church and State!” We don’t think that we have a right to impose our Catholic views on our government.  Says the Archbishop.

For all matters involving homosexuals and their supporters, including attempts to force the Church and civil society to pretend that homosexuality is “an alternate but equally valid sexual orientation,” I recommend prayers to Sts. Charles Lwanga and Companions.” the Uganda Martyrs.  They were killed because they refused to engage in acts of perversion with the homosexual, pagan king or supported and encouraged those who refused.

The good bishop says we don’t have a right to impose our Catholic view on the government.

He is correct.

We can PROPOSE, not impose.

Above all, we can have top-notch Catholic officials in the mold of St. Thomas More who form their view based upon the Natural Law which are the laws of God.

These officials in turn help to craft laws that are in keeping with the common good for society- i.e. freedom for slaves, right to life from conception to death.

“Believing” in separation of Church and state is different from enshrining it in to the civil law.  I do not see where the bishop calls for this.

Separation of Church and state is always being thrown in my face and the face of many faithful Catholics to tell us to shut up. As I said, legally, it’s a myth.

The Archbishop said we should always say yes to separation of Church and State.  Legally, it’s a mixed bag rather than a myth.  Sometimes the courts chant the phrase (e.g. more than 25 times by the U.S. Supreme Court) and sometimes they don’t.

If you read all these posts you will soon see that we are no where near to the unity that God asks of us. Why? Very simple, just read the Bible and you will see that nothing has changed since the beginning of time. Even outside of homosexuality we are basically sexual deviates. In the schools today sex education is being taught to some very young children. They teach as a part of this so called education “oral” and “anal” sex which is in no way moral or decent. In fact it is down right filthy. “If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch” (Matt. 15:14).

I agree, Jay.

In many ways, we are reverting to the paganism of the old Roman Empire, and cultural Catholics have bought into it.

It’s in the Catholic Church only that one can prevent himself from being a child of the age.

God, please raise up for us holy men and women to lead us out of this morass!

You either have Faith on God or faith in other idols, men are simply made that way. Most folks today have faith in government to decide what is right, wrong, moral, normal, etc. Even among Catholics as we see here there is belief that we can serve 2 masters. Since government is only men, and usually men of poor moral character themselves, we are seeing institutions and arbitrary laws of men making the rules by which we live by and the Law of God relegated to second or third class status, that is, OK unless it intereferes with a government law or rules, such as the teaching of homosexual behaviors to grade schoolers or the increasing theft via taxation and monetary manipulation. Object to those things, or the demonizing of traditional parenting, traditional male heads of households, male priests, etc. and you are told to shut up, that is “religious”, irrational and not to be discussed except as something that -thank heaven- our god government can legislate away. Of course the idea that governments comprised of men will be righteous and just is far less rational than faith in God.

Government is not “only men”. As St. Paul said, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”

Then Peter, why did the Holy Family flee to Egypt to escape Herods decree? Did they resist what “God appointed”?? Will God find them disobedient? Then were the Hebrews wrong to try to circumvent Pharoahs decree and to smear lambs blood on their doors?? St. Paul has been used to justify bowing to governments of men for 2,000 years. You go ahead but me and my house will serve the Lord.

Kate, St. Paul is correct.  Reconcile your understanding with St. Paul.  Otherwise, you’re confused.  You might start with your understanding of “government”.  If you’ve limited it to men, you have already made an error.

Genuine government follows a chain of command from God.

St. Paul goes on to say, “Rulers are not a cause of fear to good conduct, but to evil. Do you wish to have no fear of authority? Then do what is good and you will receive approval from it, for it is a servant of God for your good. But if you do evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword without purpose; it is the servant of God to inflict wrath on the evildoer. Therefore, it is necessary to be subject not only because of the wrath but also because of conscience. This is why you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Pay to all their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, toll to whom toll is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.”

And to WHOM is honor due?? To those who you people believe God instituted to teach our children that homosexuality is righteous behavior and train them in it? The operative words here are “RIGHTEOUS AUTHORITY”. By you folks interpretation Hitler and Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were instituted by God and their murder of millions ordained. As far as taxes, Christ said to give unto Caesar that which is Caesars. He did NOT say everything was Caesars! The Gospels plainly paint tax collectors as sinners. I suggest those who think that God sent rulers to be His agents on earth read 1 Samuel 8. That passage tells us exactly what people can expect of rulers of men. Christ told us that if we lived by the sword we would die by the sword. Governments of men are nothing but naked, raw aggression, a gun pointed at the minority by the majority in democratic schemes, a gun pointed at all in dictatorial schemes. Catholics can march on Washington, beg the rulers to listen to them and point their guns at those who Catholics want laws applied to but that is not what God wants us to do. Once you cede that governments of men are righteous authority then you must obey when they strip you of your property and indoctrinate you into worshipping THEM. I am not the confused one here.

Kate, you’re complaining about your own shadow.  What you characterize as “you folks interpretation” is YOUR interpretation.  Peter, Jessica, Aaron and St. Paul did not say “Hitler and Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were instituted by God”.  Peter, Jessica, Aaron and St. Paul did not say those people were “servants of God”, “ministers of God”, or “righteous authority” or the “government”.  Is it not YOU who are calling them “government”?  Have you considered the possibility that “you folks” do not consider evil doers to be the (legitimate) government?  As Aaron said, *legitimate* government follows a chain of command from God.  Aaron did not say legitimate government violates the command of God.

The church teaches that homosexual activity is disordered. It does not teach that homosexual people are evil. I was raised by a man who was mentally disordered. A non-loving, abusive father like mine can screw up a child’s sexual identification and future ability to make a loving marital relationship and acquire good parenting skills much more than two-father family that is loving and gentle and affirming. I know homosexual couples who have adopted special needs children and heroically parented them.  I agree with the church’s teachings on homosexuality, but the reality is that there are homosexuals who are out there being good parents whether you like it or not, and they deserve to be recognized.

So define “legitimate gov’t”, righteous authority. Many here think homosexuality is fine and dandy, just a lifestyle choice that children must be taught to embrace or else “religion” is being brought to bear where it shouldn’t be. In such cases, the state decides what is appropriate, right and wrong. And that is simply the substitution of the state as god. People who think government should institute all manner of laws and programs to “redistribute wealth” and “make a better world” are simply state worshipping, trying to create a heavenly “fair” utopia on earth when Christ told us the poor will always be with us. State worshippers think that government of men is legitimate authority and that a “separation” must be maintained between “religious” teachings and “secular” teachings. The fact of what authority reigns supreme is not lost on children who grow to accept this lie and lose their faith. No, MY interpretation is that governments of men and laws of men are NOT righteous authority. Those who think that God instituted governments of men to enslave other men (but they don’t mean guys like Hitler or Stalin, oh, no, God didn’t institute THEM, of course! God only institued Obama or Bush, or whoever they voted for, not “evildoers”.) and it is simply our lot to obey them are dodging their responsibility to make their own choices and reap the consequences/like the idea of getting in the majority or in gov’t themselves and being able to force others to do their will. So if someone else considers YOUR “righteous government” to be “evildoers” you simply quote St. Paul and claim they are unBiblical, unChristian, whatever .

Deserves to be recognized? Yes, you are right they deserve to be recognized if your definition of parent is other that what the church teaches and what the church says in the catechism. The definition of parent falls in the category of family (marriage) where their are two persons of a different gender. Better you say Mother and Father (Holy Family) which does not include single parents that have never married.
God laid out the plan and you either follow it or not (your choice) for which you will bear the rewards and/or consequence. Children raised in single parent homes and/or homosexual couple homes may do well in the physical world but what about their mental health? We pray for all people to come to their senses and stop destroying Gods creations…....

I also know very nice homosexual people. And it is sad that there are so many fatherless children and poor parents. But this is the consequence of the “secular” society and moral relativism that comes from allowing “experts” and social critics to define what is normal and healthy instead of God and His Church. I am not saying homosexuals are evil. If they are practicing they are sinning. Their behaviors would be absorbed by a child as acceptable and probably be emulated or experimented with. And this is the whole point of teaching it to grade schoolers, to increase homosexual behaviors and acceptance until the rejection of homosexuality is branded “disordered” by the state. Anyone who rejects that homosexuality is normal is already smeared as “homophobic” (mentally ill). Far from simply being content with tolerance, we are now having homosexuality rammed down our throats via the mainstream media, advertising and academic social engineers. Anything perverse to destroy Gods Plan and Creation that stands in the way of human utopia.

Kate, you wrote, “if someone else considers YOUR ‘righteous government’ to be ‘evildoers’ you simply quote St. Paul and claim they are unBiblical, unChristian, whatever.”

Who did that?  I didn’t.  MY “righteous government” are not evildoers.  I do not call evildoers “government” or “righteous”, just like I don’t call my oven a refrigerator.  Like I said, start with your understanding of “government”.  If you start by calling black white, you’ve started in error.

If you don’t understand what I say, ask.  It’s the humble thing to do.

Kate, you also wrote “the whole point of teaching it to grade schoolers, to increase homosexual behaviors and acceptance until the rejection of homosexuality is branded ‘disordered’ by the state”.

You’ve put the cart before the horse.  What school is teaching that homosexual sex acts are moral?  Loving people who are homosexual and respecting them as having equal dignity is moral.

Kate has her eyes open and alot of you are either naive or not paying attention.  Schools are often promoting acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle under the guise of “choice” or “tolerance” and by putting homosexuals in teaching positions for young children.  Isn’t that calling it morally acceptable?

Jessica, simply telling me I am misunderstanding you or insinuating that I am stupid does not prove your point, nor is it “humble”. Out with it, what do you mean by “righteous government”, then? Define it. Explain how I am wrong.
Tom, simply Google “homosexuality in the schools”. It is not hard to find out which places are teaching homosexual behaviors to small children in schools. The social engineers intent on destroying Christianity in order to create behaviorally trained “perfected” human animals are not stupid. That is what schools are for. The “dignity” of a practicing homosexual who demands the right to teach his/her “lifestyle” to the children of others as righteous is not high on my list, sorry. Perhaps you should also do some research on militant homosexuality and activism. Tolerance is no longer enough. That is the Delphi process, Hegels dialectic. Those who want “social change” always do it incrementally, argue for a small toehold of “tolerance” then end up insisting everyone else live as they do. Each time they argue for a little more until they have achieved the desired new “synthesis” (change in traditional mores, behaviors). The best way is to get at the minds of the children. As Hitler said, give them the children and in a generation they are theirs. Constantly barraging people with MSM “cute” homosexual storylines and sitcoms mainstreams the behaviors. The director of “Brokeback Mountain” (the homosexual movie attacking the macho western cowboy archetype), Ang Lee, tearfully bragged about how his movie changed the “way people THINK”. I am a little surprised at the sympathy of some Catholics for the homosexual cause in light of the predation of homosexual priests using the Church as a cover.

Teaching respect toward homosexual persons is not the same as teaching that homosexual sex acts are morally acceptable.  Homosexual persons are just as deserving of respect and to be in teaching positions as heterosexual persons.  Heterosexual persons sin as much as anyone else.  Meanwhile, being a homosexual person and teaching respect for homosexual persons is not a sin.

No one is saying that homosexuals should not be “respected”. I certainly would treat them (and DO) as I would anyone else. But I do not accept their behaviors as “normal” and I resent having them shoved at me and my family continually, children growing up thinking it’s just a “different lifestyle” or that all homoseuals are harmless victims. You are free to have them teach your children if you like but no ones kids should be their captive guinea pigs who aren’t accepting of their behaviors. The Church’s priest scandals are massive evidence of the damage they can do.
There is a very carefully orchestrated campaign to eradicate even traditional sex characteristics and roles. The following link provides part of the homosexual strategy (“The Overhauling of Straight America”: http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/
gay_strategies/overhauling.html, I have read even worse, militant homosexuals taunting how they will be having sex with the children of straights and how their “lifestyle” is superior. This is not a harmless “vice”. I used to think as many here do but have come to realize that they are well organized, in control of a lot of the media and academic institutions. Plus, the elites that rule us WANT us dysfunctional, not reproducing, and men effeminate. These people are entertained by seeing how fast they can strip traditionally religious people of their beliefs, make men effeminate and insecure, shame and marginalize people into accepting perversion as harmless (See Havelocks “Change Agents Guide to the Schools”) through group dynamics and media prompts.

Kate, the “behaviors” of homosexual persons is very broad.  Likewise, the “lifestyles” of homosexual persons are very diverse.  Yet you paint them all with the same brush.  It is deplorable when homosexual persons are the object of malice in speech or in action.

None of you address the valid substance of Kate’s remarks.  You are showing you don’t really care about the teaching of Jesus Christ or the true faith.  There is a battle going on for the souls of our children. 
Teachers of our children should not be known for a lifestyle that is morally wrong. Even though you may love a person you do not put them in a position to harm children with their philosophy or bad example.  This is what you do when you have someone who is unapologetically breaking commandments and trying to convince society that its ok.

I have posted nothing “malicious” about homosexuals. It is not malicious to object to the idea that homosexual behaviors (however “diverse” they are, perhaps you can enlighten us as to which homosexual behaviors are acceptable to the Magisterium?) are normal and acceptable or that they should be taught to children. I do not promote “maliciousness” toward ANYONE. Rather,it is malicious to insinuate I have. It is the typical marginalizing tactic of the change agent attempting to color anyone daring to suggest that homosexuality is not a harmless diversion as an oppressor of homosexual “victims”.

Everyone in the world knows homosexuality is wrong. The homosexuals just want people to agree with them to make them feel right. They are NOT born that way. Just look at yourself. They are confused and will raise confused children. Maybe, you were meant to be a eunich if you don’t want the opposite designed sex.  God gives everyone a choice to choose LIFE or DEATH and the president is not taking away a person’s choice. BUT, to declare certain rights is wrong. I do admit they have a right to be protected from hurt harm and danger as any other person. I pray the president will make wise decisions that we may live a peacful life in all Godliness and honesty. Whether he declare gay rights or not, it still will take place as it has been. The president didn’t start this. The homosexuals are father’s and therefore, father’s day is what it is. Get a card from you children and go on about your business. Stop wanting attention from the world. We know you’re out their messing up children. Just keep in mind, Jesus said if you cause a child to turn away from what they naturally believe in, you may as well hang a big rock around your neck and throw yourself in the bottom of the sea. That means kill yourself.

Wow… some of your comments show you know NOTHING about the Christian faith. Christ didn’t come to tolerate ANYTHING and allow licentiousness!! There ARE restrictions on things as per what Jesus asks.

“If any man feels threatened by the recognition of families with two fathers, then that certainly says far more about his own inadequacies and insecurities than anything else.  These are parents—real parents…:
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Pure ideologically-driven fantasy. The idea of 2 fathers is simply unreal, by definition. What is sad is that people cannot discern the difference in love and ‘niceness.’ Why not have 3 dads. The insanity, and the default cry to bigotry, IS sad.

OBAMA’S PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
    (non-copyrighted)

I pledge allegiance to the fag of the Benighted States of
America and to the repugnance for its one-night stands, one
abomination (under the god of lust), invisible (before it comes out of the closet), with libertines and Judgment Day for all.

Just more slouching toward Gomorrah

Slouching?  Heck no, we’re Amuricans dang it - we go full bore or not at all!

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

Because “state” as used in the OT really means “nation”, thus it should be interpreted as “neighboring nation”.  Mexico is still a separate nation, but Canada is just our 51st state, so it is part of the same nation. Really, you can’t tell the difference between us (they still mispronounce “about” and “sorry”, but we let that slide for the regional charm).

BTW, I don’t agree with Monica’s defamatory post, and I’m wondering why it was not deleted. Perhaps it was to show the ignorance of both sides on this issue.

Either way, Monica needs to clean her act up if she really is a follower of Christ.

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