A Canadian judge who appeared never to have heard of civil disobedience not only condemned pro-life hero Mary Wagner as he sentenced her for entering a Toronto abortion facility — he condemned her God as well.
A pro-abortion spokesperson approved the judge’s words but the head of the Canadian Catholic Civil Rights League said they suggested an anti-religious bias and she was considering a complaint to the Judicial Council.
“You’re wrong, and your God’s wrong,” Justice S. Ford Clements told Mary Wagner, 38, as he sentenced her to 92 days in jail for her November intrusion into a Toronto abortion business.
His comment, first reported by LifeSiteNews, who had a reporter in the courtroom, was confirmed by Wagner's attorney.
In sentencing Wagner to 92 days, Clements ignored a joint recommendation from the Crown prosecutor and her own defense attorney that she be sentenced to the 88 days she had already served before trial.
The joint submission recommended three years probation as well, but the judge asked Wagner if she would promise to stay away from Ontario abortion facilities during the three years.
“I will not,” she declared.
Clements’ comments on God came in the middle of a tirade against Wagner for what he evidently viewed as her insensitivity to the feelings of women using the abortion facilities. “You don’t have the right to cause extra pain and grief in the way you do,” he told her. However, according to Wagner’s defense lawyer, Russell Browne, the Crown introduced no evidence from clients of the abortuary as to “pain and grief.”
Is Judge Biased?
Browne told the Register he would be looking closely at the transcript of the sentencing hearing for “an apprehension of bias” on the part of the judge, adding that he was planning to appeal both Wagner’s sentence and her conviction for “mischief to property.”
“It certainly caught me by surprise,” Browne said of the judge’s comments. And the judge, by asking Wagner about her intentions to re-offend, may have been “forcing her to testify” against herself, which is unlawful in Canada, as it is in American law.
Browne said he would appeal the sentence on the grounds that Wagner’s 88 days already served was in line with previous sentencing for second offences for abortuary occupations. Her intentions during probation should have been immaterial to what was, in Browne’s view, a technical matter.
Browne will appeal the conviction on the principle of Wagner’s constitutional right to free speech.
The judge, said Browne, apparently wanted to mix it up with Wagner over her comments about obeying a higher law than the law of Canada. “He did say, ‘If you don’t like the law, then go change it; don’t disobey it,” said Browne, so the judge didn’t need to launch an attack on his client’s faith.
Joseph Ben Ami of the Ottawa-based Canadian Centre for Policy Studies called Clements’ comments “profoundly absurd,” adding, “They call into question whether the judge is without bias. Even if I were an atheist, this, to me, is a stupid thing for a judge to say.”
Law to Protect People’s Feelings?
Ben Ami added that there is a tradition in Western culture for laws to be changed through civil disobedience. “It’s absolutely a good thing that there are people willing to go to jail to change the law. But here the judge seems to be saying the law is there to protect people’s feelings.”
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association declined to comment on Clements’ remarks. However, Mary Ellen Douglas of the Campaign Life Coalition of Canada termed Clements’ remarks “very biased and anti-Christian.” She also scoffed at testimony during the trial from the abortion facility’s owner to the effect that Wagner’s presence made her fearful. “Some of us pro-lifers might be scary, but not Mary. She is the gentlest of souls. They just can’t take anybody saying that abortion is killing a baby.”
While the coalition does not enter abortuaries or enter the so-called “bubble zones” courts have established around some facilities, said Douglas, it does not criticize Wagner or Linda Gibbons, Canada’s other pro-life prisoner, for doing so. “The distance we stay away does make it hard to reach the women. Linda and Mary take the route they do to take the message to the women,” she said.
However, Joyce Arthur, executive director of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, told the Register, “Mary got what she deserves. What she doesn’t deserve is this reputation for being meek and mild. She’s actually quite aggressive. She goes right into clinics and even the ones who just stand there and do nothing are harmful because the anxiety, stress and fear it creates can increase the risk of medical complications, both physical and psychological. The clinic staff have to continually deal with this fallout.”
As for the judge’s comments, Arthur said she was glad to “hear someone tell it like it is.”
On the other hand, Joanne McGarry, executive director of the Canadian Catholic Civil Rights League, called the comments “very inappropriate. She added, “We are considering a complaint to the judicial council.”
Wagner, contacted through her lawyer, said she remained committed to her vocation of counseling women seeking abortion. To her mother, Jayne Wagner of Nanaimo, British Columbia, she said, “I am at peace, Mom.”
Register correspondent Steve Weatherbe writes from Victoria, British Columbia.
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“Your God’s wrong” said Satan to our first parents in the Garden of Eden. The evil one was cunning and deceptive. I sincerely hope that this judge said it out of ignorance.
The injustice in this case is the murder of innocent unborn people - ripped right out of their mother’s womb, by the killers (doctors, nurses, clinic workers, police, judges, janitors). This Justice S. Ford Clements of Ontario Canada, needs to be prosecuted for accomplice to murder of the innocent. Hurray for Mary Wagner for shining the light on this evil trechery being committed by heartless mothers in Canada.
Coming to a court near you.
There is not much to say, the trouble today, there is to much talk and not enough do. the fact is Satan runs the show, this Judge was speaking from Hell. “Wake up in the name of Christ and stand firm.” this Lady is to be admired, Pray for here and God bless her, she does not pass by on the other side of the road. She stands tall in front of the odds, for those who cannot defend themselves, Mary your family and friends can be proud of you, as for the Judge he would be more at home sitting down and talking with King Herod they have more in common.
Some think that it’s alright to kill adults,too. If it’s what they believe, then they must be right. According to this judge, perhaps the murderers should be let out of jail, since murder is apparently merely a matter of opinion.
Is there any way to write to Mary in prison? I would love to encourage her and let her know we are behind her and are praying for her!
The absurdity of the judges statement is exceeded only by his stupidity.
Heck, I thought our judges in the U.S. were pathetic. Hail to the young people willing to oppose modern day “Herods” who explicitly or implicitly support the slaughter of the innocents.
Sadly in Canada there are no abortion laws at all. Until the baby is completely separated from mother it may be killed. One brave Member of Parliament is trying to open a discussion as to when personhood begins. Please pray for his efforts and everyone in the Pro Life cause.
The end is coming soon as The Arm of God is getting very heavy as Our Lady has warned us; so all of us should be getting ready to face even worse than what this young, brave and beautiful lady is doing. We, that have the Holy Fear of God, are the enemies of the state, especially the big ‘o’s state, and we are being watched. Kelly has a great idea about sending Miss Wagner mail of support and also the address of Judge ‘Pilate’ so we can let him know that it is his god that is wrong and our God is right, as he will find out when he takes his last breath. You readers up there in Canada, please help us with these addresses; thank you and God bless you Mary and all of the ‘Marys’ around the world that takes a firm stand against evil. +JMJ+
So is the judge admitting that abortion IS causing extra pain and grief? Then some judge needs to find the REAL causes of an abortion.
When someone like this judge makes a statement like that, I’d love to be a fly on the wall in their afterlife (HELL) to see just what happens!
What an arrogant, self-righteous, blasphemous, cruel and ignorant thing to say to someone trying to fight and protect life.
So, Christians can say the most horrible stuff about women and LGBT people and their hate speech is deemed free and of areligious nature, they can blaspheme the teachings of their Christ, supporting war and the cutting of social programs, yet this judge can’t voice his opinion?
Athiestic judicial arrogance… Like the one who sentenced Jesus to be crucified. God have mercy on them, they know not what they do.
The judge stated that abortion causes “pain and grief”. That will be a surprise to Planned Parenthood. At least we can thank the judge for making one truthful statement.
The Judge’s inner frustration was evident.
Goodby Canada.
“Your God is wrong,” is hate speech, and Canadian law allows prosecution for that.
I’m gonna add her to my prayers. God bless her, I wouldn’t have the courage to be taken peacfully.
“The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man.”
—Pray for that Judge to repent, or he will roast in hell.
(If not, I wouldn’t be surprized if he met a horrific end.)
To Bill Hagen..just what is it that Christians say about gays and women that is hurtful?Christians speak the truth about homosexual sex as sin..the bias media tries to portray Christianity as hateful towards gays and women..but thats a lie.The homosexual person is loved as much as anyone and is made as well in the image and likeness of God..yet..the sex act between same sex is whats sinful..God gives us all crosses to carry..unfortunately that is one of the biggest and heaviest crosses yet it must be carried.All sex outside of marriage is sinful.As for women..the church is full in history of saintly and powerful women and the Blessed Mother of our Lord is the highest most powerful and holiest examples of sainthood and of what it is to follow in the footsteps of her Son.God created us differant yet equal..with separate roles to play in life.It is when those roles become blurred or envied that trouble begins.As for the judge..it is not his right to express himself during judgement of a person.
The so called judge is uncivilized barbarian. He seems to have no knowledge about the existence of views, principles, faith other than his. All these are happening because the Catholics are sleeping with lack of faith in Jesus Christ. First the catholics of Canada have to be evangelized. The greatest problem is that large percentage of catholics do not know their faith, thgeir religion, their Jesus. We pray for them
Wil Hagen said: “So, Christians can say the most horrible stuff about women and LGBT people and their hate speech is deemed free and of areligious nature,”
I say: The only Christians I can think of that do this are Fred Phelps and his crew. In that circumstance, I think a good case can be made for a disturbing the peace charge which law enforcement seems to have lost the will to enforce these days. If you are trying to imply that disagreeing with the homosexualist agenda in any way constitutes hate speech, I can’t help you.
You said, “they can blaspheme the teachings of their Christ, supporting war and the cutting of social programs,” I say, while I happen to agree that most modern wars are unjust (including the American Revolution), there is such a thing as just war. Even Our Lord used military metaphors, ministered and healed soldiers, and John the Baptist counseled soldiers on how to conduct themselves. As far as cutting social programs, there are no social programs that have Holy Writ on them. We are obligated to do works of mercy, we are not obligated to support any particular government entitlement program, many of which violate the principle of subsidarity. You said, “yet this judge can’t voice his opinion?” I say, Not unless he wants to risk having his ruling overturned. By running his mouth off IN COURT, he gave the defense grounds for appeal on a silver platter. They would be stupid not to pursue it.
Thank you Ms. Wagner for standing in the gap! Christ’s peace be with you!
That judge is a fool….
There are many judges acting against God will. Being a judge does not mean that you know everything. Chidren are often wiser than them. But it certainly shows that the devil exists.
@dixibehr -Re your comment that the judge’s comments amounts to hate speech and Canada has laws against hate speech.
Unfortunately, in Canada hate speech law applies to and and anything but Christians, especially Catholics. It is open season on the Christian faith and insults are rained down regularly, most especially on the Catholic Church without protests from the “rights” activists. I suppose that is a good sign according to the Gospel…if you follow Christ you will be vilified.
John I love your post!! AMEN!!!
We shut down Planned Parenthood in Prescott with 40 Days for Life. We just quietly sat outside the facility saying the rosary, day in and day out. I think it’s far more effective than the in-your-face tactics employed by Protestant groups. When you turn away from the Mother of God, you turn away from Her quiet strength.
While I disagree with people entering abortion clinics to make their statement about what is going on there, the employees and the clients using the facilities should be more than a little “uncomfortable” with what they are doing. Taking the life of an unborn child should be at least a “little” unsettling. When it isn’t, there inlies the problem. It’s the desensitization to it all that is the most troubling. In this misguided world, down is the new up and wrong is the new right. God help us!
“If the world hates you, realize that it hated me before it hated you. If you had anything in common with the world, the world would love you as one of its own. But you don’t have anything in common with the world. I chose you from the world, and that’s why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: ‘A servant isn’t greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they did what I said, they will also do what you say. Indeed, they will do all this to you because you are committed to me, since they don’t know the one who sent me.“John 15:18- 21
John and Scott, I love your comments. I will pray for this young lady and for the judge to repent. Like Mother Angelica says, pray for poor sinners.
Even if pro-lifers’ presence causes the customers and staff of an abortion mill some additional anxiety, this is not an adequate justification to keep good souls like Mary from trying to save the LIFE of unborn children. I’m sure Rosa Parks made bus drivers and bigoted white passenger nervous, but she did the right thing. Well, here we are talking not just about equal treatment, but about the unjust taking of human life. The outreach should always be peaceful, but you can’t always make everyone feel good about themselves when human being’s lives are at stake—both the child, and the mothers, who will have deep wounds emotionally and sometimes even physically from the wretched experience of abortion.
I went to a planned parenthood clinic to pray outside with some other people for the first time in my life and just the thought of what was going there I felt scared and afraid of going closer to the clinic, I felt so sad and felt like crying that I could not even get out of the car, finally I got out and prayed and prayed together with the othe people that were with me. I feel that Miss Wagner is very brave and she deserves a medal for her courage! Jesus Christ have Mercy on us!
God Bless you, Mary Wagner
The judge is so wrong. Mary, thank you for caring about the unborn. May God help us end abortion, it is MURDER! God is the only one who has the right to create life, or to end it. God help us. We need God back in everything. In God we trust.
Kelly requested Mary’s address to write letters of encouragement.
The address is:
Vanier Centre for Women
665 Martin St.
Milton Ontario
L9T 5E6
Mary Wagner please remember that you are not alone; for everyone who is Pro-Life is there in prison with you.
Psalm 91:11 - “For He will give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.” And Mark 13:13 - “And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.”
God bless Mary Wagner.
In a all Court rooms in Canada they are given a choice as to place the Hand on the bible or not – The Bible is the Word of God His view that the Christian God is wrong prejudices any case that he sits on for those that choose to swear on the Bible - Anti-Semitism is morally wrong and illegal by same token of the same law Anti-Christian is morally wrong and illegally as they both incite racial hatred
Where was he educated – at law school he would have learned the Bible was central to a person’s testimony in relation to perjury – His views casts a very long dark shadow over all his precious cases as his ability of impartiality towards Christians is criminally flawed Such behaviour in a Canadian Court it is a devastating view of a Nation’s legal system - The Man should be stripped of his job and charged with inciting racial hatred towards a Christian
Mary Wagner is indeed a Hero. Let us support her in any way we can.
Psalm 14; 4 - 6
4 Do all the workers of wickedness not know,
Who eat up my people as they eat bread,
And do not call upon the Lord?
5 They are in great dread,
For God is with the righteous generation.
6 You would put to shame the counsel of the afflicted,
But the Lord is his refuge.
This judge should repent his attack on this woman and the Lord.
While he still has time.
For the Lord is on the side of this woman who is trying to protect the
Lords children.
Why do I fear that if that judge read “Inherit the Wind” he wouldn’t make the connection to himself, precisely because the judge in that was arguing from the opposite side of the religious spectrum?
But we can only hope that people will recognize that remark for what it is. God bless Mary Wagner for being willing to put up with her Cross. I hope she will inspire many more to do likewise.
India got its freedom because one man,Mahatma Gandhi had the courage to stand up for what was right! Mary Wagner and Linda Gibbons are doing exactly the same thing in an absolutely non-violent fashion.Canada has no law to stop the beating heart of the unborn.Who knows what might happen if hundreds and thousands of peaceful protesters followed the lead of these two courageous women ? No matter what, Mary Wagner and Linda Gibbons will be remembered like Mahatma Gandhi.
what ever you do to the least , you do to me . pray much , god longs for our love of neighbor and will work miracles .
India got its freedom because one man,Mahatma Gandhi had the courage to stand up for what was right. Today, we have two women,Mary Wagner and Linda Gibbons who are doing exactly the same thing in an absolutely non-violent fashion. Canada has no law to stop the beating heart of the unborn. Who knows what might happen if hundreds and thousands of protesters followed the lead of these two courageous women? No matter what, Mary Wagner and Linda Gibbons will be remembered like Mahatma Gandhi. S.Ford Clements,Who?
“I will not” may have to become the new motto of the Catholic Church in America.
India got its freedom because one man,Mahatma Gandhi had the courage to stand up for what was right! Today, we have two women,Mary Wagner and
Linda Gibbons who are doing exactly the same thing in an absolutely non-violent fashion.Canada has no law to stop the beating heart of the unborn.Who knows what might happen if hundreds and thousands of protesters follow the lead of these two courageous women? No matter what, Mary Wagner and Linda Gibbons will be remembered like Mahatma Gandhi!
Ultimately in the Court House Judge has no call to attact someone’s faith.If he had been attacting Muslim faith,we would have an International mess in our hands,already !
Every person acts according to their belief systems,whatever they might be.The Judge acted according to his belief system that he can use his position to insult someone.
Mary’s position is to remind people that Abortion is a murder and she has right to speak on that belief,as long as she is respectful.The law still has many opinions to the value of human life.If we do not consider a human being ...a human being…until the moment of birth.That is pretty twisted thinking.But,as such…laws can be twisted and do not always potray reality and truth and yes…people like Mary do have right to say so…as long as she does it respectfully.
Only Wil Hagen would consider “Christian love, sacrifice, protection, devotion, honesty, charity, surrender, humility, graciousness, and avoiding sin, lust, greed, anger, murder, stealing, lying, and coveting”, hate speech. That’s because all of these Christian concepts run counter to Wil Hagen’s. Therefore, Wil self-admittedly shares the sentements of the Devil.
This judge is a baby killer and he will reside in hell soon.
may God forgive him if he asks for this forgiveness….he should not
]be a judge as he is way to bias against christians.
Someone should tell the judge that he shouldn’t be approving murder, which is whatg abortion boils down to. They use all kinds of politically correct descriptions for abortion, but it is what it is. Murder in its most gruesome and cruel form.
To me it seems this judge is guilty of
“Ignoratio elenchi” fallacy through
implicit “argumentum ad hominem” where
a general existing negative bias towards
God is abused.
I met Mary Wagner and I truly am inspired by her efforts. She is an inspiration to Catholics worldwide and Canada is lucky to have her as an advocate, she is such a strong and courageous being and I pray that a law will be passed to protect the rights of the unborn. If killing a pregnant woman is considered double murder, then why isn’t aborting a fetus considered as such a grave injustice? It’s sad that even in the year 2012, humanity has to suffer from such primitive thinking. What’s most sad about this abortion, is not only that parents choose to not bring their own child into the world, but the loss of potential the world will never know. A cure for cancer? The next world leader? We’ll never know. Thank you Mary.
It has begun.
I find it amazing how scientists can glory over finding the most primitive levels of life on some far-away, distant planet, but when it comes to realizing the value of a human life within the womb, it is of little value.
Again the judiciary puts itself above the Divine! If Ms Wagner is increasing the pain and suffering of the clients… Who is causing the first levelofpain and suffering? Our Judges are as dumba sacks of hammers!
Posted by Wil Hagen on Wednesday, Apr 4, 2012 8:54 AM (EST):So, Christians can say the most horrible stuff about women and LGBT people and their hate speech is deemed free and of areligious nature, they can blaspheme the teachings of their Christ, supporting war and the cutting of social programs, yet this judge can’t voice his opinion?
==He’s not “voicing his opinion”—he is insulting one’s faith to their face and is using law to do so. This woman is fighting for the greater good of protecting life. Since when is protecting the innocent a crime?
That judge is a disgusting human being. He’ll burn in hell for it!
There are a lot of people who respond in the name of “whomever”, without knowing or with litle regard for what “whomever” stood for, stands for, preached, or thought. Quite often, they are responding for themselves and hiding behind those they profess to stand for. Many of our political talkshow hosts profess violence and discrimination while hiding behind conservative political platitudes. This unfortunately has bred in our society a public who listens to popular opinion rather than investigating for themselves. The tragic result is that in spite of increased communication worldwide, there is less knowledge of the world on the part of the general public. Truth is substantiated over time, but untruths are untrue regardless of how much proliferation they enjoy, lest we forget that morality comes from God’s truth, not from man’s laws which can be flawed and partisan. Keep praying for true peace, which can only come through God. It does not require legislation and is lasting well beyond.
Pretty girl (even though she’s an adult is younger than I am). Poor soul looks like high school student. Just like I used to at 38…once upon a time.
Hey Judge—-God’s law is above your law. Case closed.
Prepare for Our martyrdom. Seriously! The time may come upon us when the civil authority decides that the celebration of the Holy Mass is unlawful, and prison terms will be only second to death.
Servant of God Fr. John Hardon warned Catholic’s years ago that if we didn’t repent, and seek true conversions that we could live as the first century Christian’s lived…facing death to proclaim the Truth in the public square.
Be ready! It may be our Holy blood that is spilt to bring about the change in Judges like the one in this sad story. Mary W. is a great example of holiness. God help us.
I am so impressed by this young sister and how she stood up to an inferior being that sits in high places for a time. It is quite difficult to operate in the Freemason/Crown Templer controlled courts, and to stand up and say what is right in front of the moneychangers no doubt pleased our God and all of Heaven that were tuned in at the time. I don’t know if she had an attorney, but the best thing to do is never have one and appear in propia persona (proper person). They play games and an attorney gives them the opportunity to keep us a ward of the court. Under this United States Corporation there is much protection for those who simply “present themselves” rather than to be “re-presented.” We have protection under United States Code Title 42 subsection 1983 that protects us from what is called “color of law” which is not a law at all. Read about that and Title 28 subsection 241 and 242 which is RICO act. You can sue these men with no attorney, thus binding them. You can sue this judge by his name and not his title under Title 42 under the jurisdiction of thtle 28 and once the case is won, the case is ammended to be a Title 28 RICO and the FEMA camps they built for us will be used for them. US Code is valid in CANADA as CANADA is a subsidiary of US which is subsidiary of CROWN CORPORATION, based in a small area like Washington DC called CITY of LONDON, which is a city within greater London and not a part of it. Some claim it is linked to the Vatican but I really doubt it.
Did this judge take an oath? Always ask this on and for the record.
What is the oath to? Here in America, it is to the Constitution, which reading the first 2 pages will enlighten a man or woman.
Remember brother John F. Kennedy who spoke of secret societies in a speech right before his death.
Mary I hope you learn how to do a Title 42 lawsuit and sue him. Take your time. Look up Rodney Dale Class as he seems to know some things and is a public figure, sort of.
There is no fear in love as perfect love casts out fear.
God bless
Guidelines for writing to Mary can be found here: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/supporters-of-mary-wagner-encourage-letters-of-support-after-pro-life-heroi
Responding to Deacon Bill: “Many of our political talk-show hosts profess violence and discrimination while hiding behind conservative political platitudes.” Would that be platitudes like respect for the constitution, a recognition of the sanctity of life and a creator God, that all men are endowed with certain in-alienable rights? Most talk-show hosts are involved 24/7 with trying to de-bunk the endless stream of lies and malicious distortions that emanate from Godless, secularist, statist, liberal/progressive media, politicians and citizens. Political platitudes my ...!
As for Justice (oxymoron?) Clements and Ms. Arthur, a psalm of malediction - Psalm 68 (Douay):
[23] Let their table become as a snare before them, and a recompense, and a stumblingblock. [24] Let their eyes be darkened that they see not; and their back bend thou down always. [25] Pour out thy indignation upon them: and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them. [26] Let their habitation be made desolate: and let there be none to dwell in their tabernacles. [27] Because they have persecuted him whom thou hast smitten; and they have added to the grief of my wounds. [28] Add thou iniquity upon their iniquity: and let them not come into thy justice. [29] Let them be blotted out of the book of the living; and with the just let them not be written.
I cannot understand how a Judge can become so biased against someone who in there to counsel somebody over the truth in depriving a conceived child in the womb the right to live. Do we not see the many possible health and emotional hazards, let alone the spiritual well being, that one exposed to these practices may experience? Where is our conscience and our sense of morality going? May the light of Christ fill our life with love standing strong in our conviction to save more lives, for every single life we save, more lives are saved, that the love of Christ in us may heal us and see us grow physically, emotionally and spiritually healthy in his love and care, as we live by his words of truth and love. As in 2 Corinthians 10:17, “But let him who boasts, boast in the Lord,” http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/10-17.htm God b.less you Mary Wagner, with Christ in us all, we are all winners in his love and greatness, in the name of true freedom, peace and truth, as we grow stronger against all evil in this world. My prayers are with you and for your cause.
“The absurdity of the judges statement is exceeded only by his stupidity” You said it Chris!
Judge says: “You don’t have the right to cause extra pain and grief in the way you do.”
The abortion does that. The GUILT from the abortion is responsible for this “extra pain and grief” - not Mary. The lack of Truth about abortion is what causes pain and grief because it’s too late once the act is done to reverse it and the fact that the likes of Planned Parenthood and other “women’s health providers” won’t speak frankly about it by hiding the other choices is really not giving girls a REAL choice. True “pro-choice” would speak frankly about BOTH sides - not hiding the reality of killing a child and discussing the after-effects. Mary was offering these girls compassion. But, when we begin to see love and compassion as “extra pain and grief” that truly begins to be a sign of decline.
Mary Wagner is a saint, all saints have suffered and have been persecuted for standing up for their beliefs, I pray that everyone of us get on board, let’s get out there and be a face and a voice for the unborn, it is all of our duty! I want to be strong like Mary. GOD BLESS MARY.
“CANADA IS BASED ON THE PREMISE OF GOD”, dont like it, move!
Ignoring the woman in the process is what is inhumane, especially if she’s been raped. Not everyone is cut out for motherhood. Or they’re too young to be a mother, or they couldn’t afford to raise a child. Some people don’t want to put a burden on society by bringing yet another child into the world. I don’t see too many of the people who are protesting abortion going to the effort to adopt the unwanted children who end up having to live ‘in the system’ of foster care or children’s homes. How many of you have adopted a child? Be honest with yourself.
Whilst I don’t think abortions should be performed after 16 weeks, I do think it’s acceptable to permit them before this time; but a better solution is to educate children about procreation and ensure that if they are going to be sexually active, that everyone uses contraception, preferably condoms since they also protect against disease transmission. Anything else is unrealistic and short sighted.
The judge was abiding by Canada’s laws as they stand now, he can do nothing else. Was he a bit severe on Mary by adding a few days to her sentence? Maybe. But he did not break any laws. She did. If being harsh helps to avert the kind of situations seen in the USA where people feel so emboldened by the cause that they think it’s ok to shoot abortion clinic workers (in a totally illogical thought process that values a weeks old fetus over that of a viable and valuable medical practitioner) then so much the better.
Mary is not a saint, she’s just a woman who believes in a cause.
I would like to know what I can DO to support this woman in a practical, concrete way and address this injustice?! I would like my voice to be heard!
She ENTERED the clinic? I’m sorry, but that’s trespassing, I cannot agree with her action there. I don’t care how gentle she is, if she walked into my house without my invitation, she would be asked to leave and not re-enter unless I invited her.
The judge’s obvious malice is still shameful, but she cannot go where she is not invited.
Most pro-life people are so careful to remain on public property, to carefully observe the law, that she is kind of messing it up for everybody.
To Pam,
It is sadly obvious that your opinion in this matter is tainted by your obviously secular education and sadly maybe your own history in this matter. You wrote “How many of you have adopted a child? Be honest with yourself.” Maybe some honesty on your part would be helpful also, how many abortions have you had? The theme of your commentary is clearly a rationalization(s) for the evil of killing an “unwanted” child. I agree with the notion that contraception and education MAY be of assistance (however, the research in this are does not bear out your contentions, due to the fact that sooner of later all contraceptives fail) but they will never replace a culture that condemns the sins of non-marital sex and actively enforces those values. No sane individual condones the killing of an abortionist, however your logic is flawed again. You wrote “in a totally illogical thought process that values a weeks old fetus over that of a viable and valuable medical practitioner”. Abortionists are NOT medical practitioners, they conduct the ONLY surgical procedure EVER devised to specifically end a life! I have been in practice fo over 23 years and take the view that abortionists practice medicine in an insult to those who have taken oaths as physicians seriously.
I do wonder (completely hypothetically) Pam, how you would feel about the death of Dr. Mengele?
@ Pam, You adopt a reasonable tone but what you write is completely irrational: “Whilst I don’t think abortions should be performed after 16 weeks, I do think it’s acceptable to permit them before this time.” That is totally arbitrary. It’s okay to kill before 16 weeks but not after? Why not? Why not after birth? Why not before age one? Why not anytime before age 21 and after age 35?
Mary,
I’m proud to have the same name as you do!!! You are an awesome young lady! God is watching over you. You are in the palm of His hand. You are saving women’s souls from committing murder, you are speaking for the rights of the unborn. What else do people give birth to if not another human??? Your presence in those murderous hell holes, helped shine Jesus’ light into their darkness. That judge who condemns Jesus Christ has chosen the road to Hell. You are helping to save innocent babies and their moms. You are helping them give their lives to Jesus, the only road to heaven.
Mary,
I am proud to have the same name as you. I am proud of how you speak out for the rights of the unborn. Get a clue liberal morons, people only give birth to people. Thank God you weren’t aborted. The pain and anguish the judge tries to blame upon you Mary, is not caused by you of course. It is the result of the murdering mothers feeling guilt and remorse for the murder they are about to commit or have committed. Mary, your rights have been violated. You are a brave crusader. You have led the murdering moms to know Jesus as their Lord and Savior and have helped them get on the road to heaven. You have helped them not murder their babies. You made them realize the wrong they were about to do.
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