I would like to see the Catholic church more outraged about violent video games then birth control. These games have “heroes’ rapidly loading assault weapons and shooting people in the face. Violent video games are worse then pornography. It is time for the Church to speak up.

Peddlers of Violence - Hollywood Must Take Some Responsibility

http://www.ministryvalues.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1410&Itemid=125
steve ryan
mystic post

Condoms are already routinely available everywhere.  Why not birth control pills.  I can’t remember any Church official objecting to sale of condoms.  Nor, of course, can I ever remember any priest or bishop teaching what the Church teaches about contraception.  What we have here are two laymen scolding Jindal.  Was any attempt made by the proper clerical person to approach him.  This seems like one more stupid fumble by our ever fumbling Church.  I’m totally against contraception for many reasons, and it is what this Obama mandate is all about and Church leaders should have seen that this is the issue and not freedom of religion…although that is an issue.  If Church leaders had been constantly teaching against contraception consistently and often, from the pulpit, this mandate would probably not have happened.

Governor Jindal is wrong!  Contraceptives are not perfectly safe for everyone.  There are many women and teenagers for whom they could be life threatening.  It would be extremely dangerous to allow birth control pills to be sold over the counter.  The prescriptive authority should remain in the hands of physicians, nurse practioners, or physician assistants

The issue that Geri Franklin raises has nothing to do with why Church official have scolded Jindal.

Bob, if you’ve read any Vatican II documents, you know that YOU are the Church. So what fumbles has the ever fumbling YOU done about this issue?

The teaching of the Church and the Magisterium has been clear for centuries. Contraception is an intrinsic moral evil. That is why contraception should be illegal. Contraception was always illegal in Catholic countries before the cultural revolution of the late 20th century. Contraception was even illegal in the United States, a Protestant country, until 1965. It was the dreadful Griswold v. Connecticut Supreme Court case that made contraception legal with its invention of a right to privacy.

I just wonder how many so called “Catholic” politicians especially those active in the present presidency have also been scolded.  All I’ve read are “private” conversations with Bishops or Archbishops, and nothing as public as this.  Abortion funding and same sex marriage are much worse than buying contraceptives over the counter.  Unfortunately a lot of Catholics through poor teachings from some of these same Bishops think contraceptives are okay.  I’ve been married almost 48 years and I remember the priest telling us it was “our decision” to us oral contraceptives, and this was the mainstream view.  Maybe we need a little more preaching about this as well as abortion and why the Church is against same sex marriage, instead of taking shots at a good governor.

Sometimes I feel like a broken record, but the answer is the same.
* * * * * When are all US Bishops going to tell all Catholics to read the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition” ? ? ? ? ? * * * * * 
Lousy catechesis is many times the culprit for those under the age of 50.
Many Catholics may be unaware that contracpetion is a mortal sin, and that Catholics using contraceptives may NOT receive Holy Communion.
From the Church - 
CCC: ” 2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception). “
and
CCC: ” 2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.
These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom.
In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil.
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other.  This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality. “

Contraception is equal to abortion and gay marriage. They are all intrinsic moral evils. It is because of contraception, that we have abortion and gay marriage.

NFP is birth control.  CCC: ” 2370 is a load of hogwash.

Regarding the remark “Why is not the Church more interested in violent video games than birth control? DO YOUR HOMEWORK! Since 1968 most of the developed nations have below replacement level populations. Are You aware of that or even care? Since 1973 when it was legalized the have been 53 million less people in this country because of surgical abortion alone. and as we all should know by now almost 40 years later contraception always leads to abortion. All the violence that is effecting our society has to do with the lack of respect for all Human Life at every age and every stage from the unborn to the handicapped and even the elderly. Yes violent entertainment plays a role, but we got there when we rejected Pope Paul’s important and timely teaching on these issues. Its a Moral Meltdown

To paraphrase some of these comments:  “Hey, it’s no fair to take shots at heresies embraced by spokesmen for MY party!  The bishops should instead confine themselves to spotlighting the heresies embraced by spokesmen of the OTHER party!!!” and “I don’t see anything much wrong with this, and since I am a Catholic, the bishops should teach according to my priorities!  They should confine themselves to sins which I not only don’t practice, but to which I feel no temptation!!!”

Why is contraception wrong? It’s because you make yourself the decider if you’ll have a baby and not leave it to God. This is a lack of faith in our Lord. You haven’t surrendered your life to him completely. Trust in our Lord. He has our best interests at heart. This may sound simple but it is the truth.

“I would like to see the Catholic church more outraged about violent video games then birth control. These games have “heroes’ rapidly loading assault weapons and shooting people in the face. Violent video games are worse then pornography. It is time for the Church to speak up.

Peddlers of Violence - Hollywood Must Take Some Responsibility”

Steve Ryan,
First let me say that I while I agree that violence in video games, TV and the movies certainly dulls the senses of people to the reality of death and reduces and cheapens the value of human life that it is only a symptom of the problem. The problem is lack of respect for all human life from conception to natural death. When a country has a 1.5 million unborn babies murdered through abortion every year how are you going to treat violence in video games, TV and movies? The root of all this is abortion, euthanasia, a breakdown of morals, the influence of relativism, the breakdown of the family with a mother and father, contraception and most important the absence of God from our country and the world. Our country and the world has been falling down the slippery slope for a while. The acceptance of divorce and contraception by society led to the breakdown of morals, the family and marriages. Which inevitably led to abortion and now euthanasia. When a society allows for the murder of the unborn how can anyone expect it to respect any human life.

Oh BTW the Church has spoken out against violence. In all forms.

Very disappointed in Governor Jindal on this statement and stance. I expect this kind of ludicrous and anti-life statement from Democrats and liberal to moderate establishment Republicans. Obviously Gov Jindal has thrown his hat in with the Republican establishment on this issue which will prove to be a big mistake for him politically down the road among pro life and conservative Catholics such as myself. He and the Republican Party are on the verge throwing the Pro-Life movement under the bus because they are incorrectly believing that conservatives such as the Tea Party and ProLife Movement cost them the election. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It will cost them even more come 2014 and 2016 if they follow this line of thinking.

Gov. Jindal’s support of OTC availability of contraceptives has nothing to do with the Catechism. He’s not saying the Catholic Church should offer moral support to its usage. He’s simply saying that for people who do want it, if there’s consensus in the medical community that it needn’t be prescription only, then it shouldn’t be prescription only.
It’s my understanding that its the FDA, acting with its various advisory panels, that decides which drug can be OTCand which must remain prescription only. This should not be a political issue.

I am firmly oppose to contraception.  That said, I’m also opposed to the “War on Drugs.”  I can’t help but wonder if the fact that contraception was illegal by governsments for many, many decades allowed the Church a false sense of protection, and people “forgot” why contraception was so bad in the first place, and why it was banned.  So when the issue came up “Why is this illegal? What is wrong with it?” the Church didn’t know how to answer Her critics both outside AND INSIDE the Church. 

Griswold vs Connecticut, while dreadful, is also a cornerstone of the homeschooling movement. Overturning G vs C would prove…very interesting.

Just a final thought:  Over the counter drugs are NOT reimbursable by “Flexspend” or Health Savings Accounts (both of which use pre-tax dollars to fund.)  It is unrealistic to think contraceptive drugs will be made illegal any time soon.  This would then place the burden on the user to actually have to pay out of pocket for them, possibly causing people to eventually consider whether they really want/need them in the first place. 

In any event, the Bishops need to step up their promotion of NFP, etc.

If The Archdiocese of New Orleans disagrees with Governor Jindal’s stance, than why isn’t the ‘archdiocese’ speaking out against 90% of the teachers in U S bishops’ schools who oppose the teachings of birth controlling by the Catholic Church?  Have you heard or read about the “Growing In Love”  sexualized catechetical series with imprimatur that destroys holy innocence taught in parochial schools?
  The “headline” is window dressing all the while decay and corruption is within to destroy Catholicism begining with our youth.

To Rosemarie Kury,

While you may be correct that the individual act of an abortion is more immediately serious than the individual act of purchasing birth control pills, Pope Paul VI was very clear, and completely correct, that the horror of thousands upon thousands of aborted babies per year, as well as the growth or promiscuity and weakening of marriage are linked to the contraceptive mentality - a mentality whose embodiment is the birth control pill.  I think that, as a social phenomenon, that idea that children are a burden to be avoided through means that ensure we don’t have to regulate our behavior but merely protect against the bad consequences (i.e. the human life that might brought forth) is the soil that allows the seed of the abortion society to bloom.  It is the necessary precursor to widespread abortion and the more fundamental problem for our society.

Gov Jindal has a point.  Everyone doesn’t believe contraception is evil . Anyone can get it by funding (paying for) PP. The young can get it anywhere and will. 
The FDA is the group that should be monitoring the dangerous issues - write them!!
We do need more talk from the pulpit. I know of some who have no idea contraception is forbidden and they march up to communion without hesitation.
I also see people taking their young out right at the raising of the host during the consecration!!  With their backs turned to Our Lord. AND then they go to communion.  Did you know if you are not present for the consecration, you are not to go to communion??
I also see some genuflect toward their pew before sitting. Do they know why they genuflect at all?  Where are the guidelines for all the reverence toward our Lord???

The question is what rules we must impose on others. Even though we believe contraception to be wrong, do we want the state to forbid others to use it? I would think that if the contraceptive is just that, and not an abortifacient, that would be a matter in which the state could let people make their own decisions. (If it is an abortifacient, I think the state has a duty to protect the un-born child.)  And making contraceptives “over-the-counter,” would end the whole question of the HHS mandate, since no employer would be required to pay for birth-control or engage an insurance company that would.

I have no special expertise in this matter, and I am always open to correction by the better informed.

Some of us are “morally opposed to the use of contraceptives” and not just because we oppose paying for someone else’s contraceptives.  Someone in the New Orleans diocese needs to catechecize Gov. Jindal, a Catholic on why contraceptives are considered an intrinsic evil by the Church and why over the counter access will only add to the problems we face today as a nation and as a Church.

I believe that what Gov. Jindel is saying is that it should be available to those who want it, but if you are a true Catholic, you won’t use the pill. We cannot dictate to other religions. If we do as the Governor suggests, the other Party cannot use it to benefit themselves politically.  Very easy to read what he is saying. As to the Obamacare, as another person said, contraceptives have serious side-effects for some, one being STD’s [never mentioned] because why would a male use a condom if the females he knows are on the pill.  Plain and simple. Did Obamacare offer the men free condoms to protect HIM from STD’s?
If you are a true, practicing Catholic, you will follow the laws of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church teaches that killing babies in the womb is “EXTRINSICALLY EVIL” therefore, it must be unconditionally opposed except when the life of the mother is in danger.  Violence video games are NOT extrinsically evil, further, it is the parents’ responsibility to provide guidance and support for their children.  Those who criticize the Catholic Church or voice their suggestion about Church’s teachings often do not understand Her teachings, too bad, because I am here to you EVERYTHING the Catholic Church teaches is very reasonable and makes a lot of sense!!!!

Birth control pills can also cause pancreatitis on women with high triglycerides.  My daughter, who has high triglycerides, had pancreatitis three times till doctors finally admitted the birth control pills were the cause. The last time she was in the hospital for 5 days.  Birth control pills are a sacred cow to most doctors and will say anything to protect that drug.  I had done some research on this and had to argue with the doctors when my daughter was in the hospital. I don’t believe they should be bought off the counter. Men can’t take steriods yet for women, it’s a right even though it can kill some of them.  Go figure.

@Phillis Poole: At my Church a man sitting next to me [abt 35-40 yrs. old} played a game on his i-pod [or something] and after he went to Communion, he continued. He had two small children with him. Also people do a lot of talking before Mass in our “all-purpose room Church”. My opinion is, that since they are building a new church building on the premises, the priests do not want to upset anyone for fear they won’t contribute anymore. On the whole, throughout our Churches, priest do not want to offend, because they believe the sinner is better off in Church than not going and maybe someday they will see the “light”. At the Church I attend, they use a huge Host and afterwards the Priest breaks it apart and literally scoops all the Blessed Hosts into Chalices. I guess that is what they do when they have 2,000 families that attend Church.  Also I noticed that here and in my old childhood church in NYS have one hour of Confession a week. Sure is different from when I first attended as a child. People seemed to be more attentive & respectful when they started saying the Mass in English and when we had a beautiful guitar folk group….we all participated. I am 85 yrs. old.

I wonder how different our Church would be if people would think about how to conform themselves to the one faith revealed and nurtured by Jesus Christ instead of how to wiggle around it? God is no fool.

The GOP has been quietly ignoring the concerns of Catholics for decades.  They’ve trotted out the abortion issue every four years to encourage us to vote for them and once we have (or have not), they go back to business as usual.  Gov. Jindal has finally decided to say openly what many Republicans believe and practice.  I expect that after the loss to President Obama, the GOP will continue to throw those who believe in the sanctity of life and moral teaching under the bus to pander for votes.  As always, we Catholics have a choice between the Party of Moloch and the Party of Mammon.

Not that I agree with Jindal here (He’s completely and totally wrong), but I find it annoying that the Diocese feels safe issuing a press release when Jindal publicly opposes Church teaching when no bishop ever does such things when someone like Pelosi or Biden does the same.

Denise Hunnell, MD has written a must read critique of Jindal’s article. She argues that the problem is he placed his trust in ACOG for his “medical facts.” Check it out on the Truth and Charity Forum: http://tinyurl.com/d8qur2p

Gov. Jindal is in a difficult position because the constitution protects the fundamental right of women, subject to regulation, to abortion and contraception.

It seems to me he has made a prudential judgment that since women are going to be able to get just about as much contraception and abortion whether these things are sold over the counter or not, that at least he can protect the consciences of those that don’t want to sell it, and that don’t want to insure those who work for them in order to get it.

Whether or not women will in actuality have more access to contraception and abortafacients if they are sold over the counter is difficult to say.  Men and women already have 100% access to the method of contraception called condoms over the counter.  Is it difficult to get these other kinds of contraceptives from a doctor?

Yes it’s disgusting that we live in a country that says these things are fundamental rights.  The question is what can we do about it?  Seems Gov. Jindal has decided that at least he can protect those that don’t want to participate in these things to some extent.

Is the spectre that more women will feel pressure to use abortafacients and contraceptives because of their greater availability real?  I think so.  Will there be more abortions and uses of contraception because of his policy?  I think so.  How much more?  And what is the weight of that compared to forcing people to participate in these crimes against God by force of law?  Hard to say.

It only gets worse for the Catholic Church in the U.S. from here on
since I can’t imagine any feasible political solutions to the Church’s issues
that the Church would be able to accept.
I guess I can be happy that if they cannot find a way to deny
Pelosi communion, there can be no consequences for Jindal.

Gov. Jindal apparently didn’t do his homework before publishing this piece, as he errs in two factual issues. First, making contraceptives available over the counter will not relieve employers and insurers of the obligation to pay for them under the HHS contraceptive mandate. The mandate says nothing about being limited to prescription drugs. It requires health plans to pay for all FDA-approved contraceptive methods, whether prescription or not. Second, as to their safety, hormonal contraceptives have been linked to a host of health problems, including increased risk of breast and cervical cancer, liver tumors, stroke, heart attacks, and STDs.

Jindal stated uintended pregnancies are a “major public-health problem” in the U.S——I would agree. These unintended consequences are called babies and it seems it’s a real “problem” for them with people like Jindal spewing his nonsense. Jindal’s mom didn’t think he was a major public-ealth problem.

Then later in the article: ‘While he described himself as “an unapologetic pro-life Republican” the governor said that “everyone who wants contraception should be able to purchase it.”’
Well, since he’s been talked about as a “potential Republican presdential candidate” he HAS to begin to openly tout the social engineering line of thought and tow the party line. So his spin doctors have told Jindal that his spin is to say, “hey, just give it out like snickers bars at the drug store candy counter and then the counter clerk can ring it up and no harm done.”
OF COURSE, the next step will be that you CANNOT deny the LGBTI (“I” is for “intersex”...that’s a new, additional letter) their “human rights” and they’ll want to buy contraception pills because it makes them feel more like a woman or a man or a thing or whatever it is they claim to be.
THE ABSURDITIES are only beginning. SHEER MADNESS HAS BEEN LET LOOSE and if you are not insane, you will be made to feel there is something wrong with YOU.
Jindal is a piece of shill.
AND WHERE IS JINDAL’S BISHOP???????

To all those who quote the catechism and Humanae Vitae and papal pronouncements, remember that the over arching authority is individual conscience. And then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger said so in 1968. Catechism or popes this teaching has been rejected by the sensus fideum. What this is about for the papacy and the curia is power. To admit they were wrong would be to weaken their claim to absolute power and they have spent several centuries now trying to broaden and increase it. Yes this is not a democracy but it is not a dictatorship either. This should be about collegiality and servant leadership and subsidarity. There is no subsidarity in the Church just look at how the Roman Missal changes were handled.

Brian Abel - please for the sake of society, stop your tolerant attitude and lax will to get, informed:

  See the information on “The Pill Kills”: The life threatening medical consequences of oral contraceptives,
http://www.bcpinstitute.org/home.htm
  Dr. Angela Lanfranchi is president of the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute who goes around the world speaking to women about the dangers of taking birth control pills. ( She is a member of the conciliar church. ) Birth control pills increases the risk of 3 kinds of cancer plus many, many other health issues.  Talk about an attack on women.  There is a war against women.  Women are less protected today than they have been since human life began.  Women stubbornly will not listen to the facts and men have lost their back bone to protect women.  Chivalry is dead!
  Your reasoning is dangerous, Brian Abel, because you want to be of the ‘pack’ and do not want to be disturbed from your comfort zone.
    Dr. Lanfranchi can convince people in foreign countries to see the dangers of birth control pills, but she cannot convince the U S Bishops to stop employing teachers in their schools who favor birth controlling, nor can she convince them to stop the sexualized catechetics they mandate in their schools that leads to birth controlling.  Go figure!

Governor Jindal should publicly recant, and if he is unable in conscience to do so, should acknowledge that he has excommunicated himself from the Catholic Church.

Honesty is not a quality in liberal supply among politicians, I expect he will simply ignore the Church, like so many neo-Catholics of this awful time of heresy and apostasy.

@ steve ryan:

Your comment is not germane.  Stop the self-aggrandisement and stop spamming comboxes.  All you’re doing is misusing this forum as a means for promoting your own blog. 

Also, you’re wrong.  While violent video games may be indicative of an immoral society, they are a symptom, not the cause.  At worst, the reasons people shoot up schools, and the reasons they shoot up images on a screen are deeper societal problems and to blame video games is to ignore the true problem.  However, it should also be pointed out the the depiction of evil in art is not necessarily evil, thought it can be in certain circumstances.

Second, contraceptives have actually been condemned by the Catholic Church.  The Church has made no magisterial pronouncements in regard to violent video games.  So while it may be something that needs addressed, it is not as important as the contraceptive issue in terms of both morality, urgency, and detriment to our society.

Sue,  Thank you..  I have been saying what you said until I have been blue in the face.  The argument with Obamacare is, then, some do not want to have tax money go for contraception and abortion.  That is all fine and good.  I personally would rather see my tax money go to health care for all, local schools, and WIC than to fund another “pre-emptive war”.  But that simply isn’t going to happen because while most may be pro-life, they only mean anti-abortion not anti-drone strikes and missile launches into populated third world cities. 

Perhaps the tax code should be revised to have a checkoff system.  When you complete your tax form, you can select from different funds you want your tax money to go.  Want your money to go to national defense and big pharma, check these two boxes.  Or maybe you want your tax money to national parks and education, then check those boxes over there.  Interesting to see what programs get money and which ones don’t. The ones that are not funded, go away.  My guess defense will be close to the bottom while feeding and educating kids will be near the top. What a great day that will be..

To John Scotto:  All I meant to imply is that this began in the sixties with the advent of the pill.  Both the Bishops and Priests were confused after Vatican ii.  Evidently, few of them read the encyclicals and documents of that period.  All of the priests preached, love, love, love.  We never heard a homily on the wrongness of contraception let alone it being a mortal sin.  The Catechism was not around then, it wasn’t even written!  So, you could get various “opinions” by various priests.  I remember my mother, a good Catholic by the way who went to daily Mass every day, said “Let the Pope raise the other children then”!  So, our generation passed this info to the next generation until we were FINALLY corrected!!  There should have been a bishop’s public comment or letter written but it never happened.  Even into the 70’s everything (and abortion wasn’t even mentioned) was just fine as long as you loved God and went to Church.  I know as I worked at a Catholic paper during the time, and saw what stuff came over the wire.

Jindal is a 2016 candidate only in his mind. First of all, no one knows what will happen in 4 or for that matter who will be alive. We ought not be even speaking about 2016 election when the 2023 candidate has yt to be sworn in. This is poor reporting by everyone including this newspaper. $ Years fr now is a long way off and lots can happen inbtwn.

Forget the politics which Jinal and others are attempting to ‘jin’ up. Never again should we have a prolonged Presidential season as lhe one just ended. Let’s do as faith compels us and live in the present moment and not in a future that is uncertain which even the wisest can’t see. Only God knows the future.

When will the church make a public statement against Peoli, Biden, Sebelius,et al for their support of abortion?  This is the main problem in the church today.

About the pills, I hope ALL women, young and old who are currently on the pills to take it with caution and fully informed about the side effects to their body as well as negative consequences to their mind.  The prices you pay for so called “convenient life style” is just too high ladies.

Contraception is a long-term bad thing for people and for nations. Sure, the church has been lax talking about this. . . remnant ‘60s thinking there.

In my case, my wife and I would love to have more children but cannot. . . so I am prompt to point out that not every couple is keen on contraception.

It would be a better world if we did not have to self-limit our population in order to keep our economic system happy.

While I strongly disagree with Gov. Jindal because birth control pills are harmful to women, I wonder why the church only criticizes Republican politicians when they go against church teaching.

I’ve yet to hear of a single bishop who corrected Caroline Kennedy for bragging how she was a Catholic woman who supported “reproductive rights” without limit. Months after the Dem Convention, Bill O’Reilly still brings up how Kennedy publicly defied the church she claims to be a part of, and how scandalized he is that there was no reaction whatsoever from the church.

I guess only Democrat “Catholics” can stick it to the bishops.

@Mowery

SO are you for the status quo of remaining silent as hollywood makes billions selling graphic violence?

Have you ever played a violent video game? They are disturbing, pornographic
and evil - the goal of the game is to shoot people in the face.
The Catholic Church and our parishes should march over to Wall Mart or best by and protest, boycott - like Jesus in the temple kick the tables over and toss the video games into the trash cans. We need to change the culture and Hollywood makes the culture

Why is neither the spokesperson for the Archdiocese of New Orleans, nor the National Catholic Register, taking this excellent opportunity to articulate WHY the Catholic Church opposes contraception, rather than simply re-asserting that it’s opposed to it?  People know the Church opposes contraception, and they use that as another argument for why she’s stuck in the 1950’s. Articulate Pail VI’s reasons—it ruptures the purpose of the marital act, it objectifies women, it allows for “unwanted” children and therefore encourages abortion, it becomes a dangerous tool in the hands of dictators who want to sterilize women in order to control them.

The post by Anne on Dec 17th should be in BOLD and read from the pulpit.  And to those who don’t go to Church (of course, you won’t hear a sermon on what Anne writes), do yourself a favor so you have knowledge at your fingertips, read the Catechism.  And to make it easy, try going to this link:  http://www.flocknote.com/note/69127?token=RkFkpVZ4GuasFwY8J3nN  Read the Catechism in a Year.  Merry Christmas everyone.

AFTER READING ALL THESE POST’S IT MAKES ME THINK OF MATTHEW 7: 14
MAKE YOUR OWN RULES- MAKE YOUR OWN HEAVEN WHILE YOUR AT IT

Sadly, if Jindal said about contraception what many of you would like him to say, he’d be labled a far right extremest nutjob and would have no chance of being elected to anything, what he said is a possible solution to the mandate and does give the impression that contraception is not a good thing and that’s a start,  one step at a time….....

Steve Ryan, I was not aware that violent video games are intrinsic evils, contraception is. Now, having written that, I do believe violent videos are harmful, to say the least, but Catholics already know or should know to entertain oneself with those videos is a violation of the sacredness of life.
I already have enough with so-called Catholics like Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, etc, to now hear Bobby Jindal stating the same stupidities the Democrats are proud of.

If Jindal draws correction, Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Kennedy, Sebelius, need to draw excommunication.

Finally, what counts before God, when we stand before Him, owning up for our own action. Nobody can tell God, “I did that, because he said (whoever it may be, bishop, Governor, or Pope) it.” What counts before God is my action, my action arising from my own decision. Why so many married Catholic couples have just one or two children? Are they abstaining or… Whatever the Church says, these couples make their own decision. If every body follows HUMANAE VITAE, the Catholics should make no noise about positions, arguments. They just do not do, this includes every one in the Catholic hierarchy too. So let us leave alone, the Governor Jindal. It was his personal opinion, that’s all. Making too much noise about it, is waste of time. Praise the Lord!

@Mowery also the point of my post was to recognize that 20 beautiful children and six heroes were brutally killed and the hands of a video game addict.
There was very little mention from Catholic press about video game pornographic violence - these killers act out just like the video games.

I was moved to make my post on this thread about Jindal - where is the outrage against the creators of our culture.

@steve ryan,
Would it be OK to be opposed to both?  It’s not a matter of either/or.

@no one in particular,
I once had high hopes for Gov. Jindal.  So much for that.

Until the bishops and priests start catechising from the pulpit about such issues this will continue! Catholics who use birth control may not understand how exactly it works. How it can cause an abortion, or how since the legalization of the pill breast cancer has gone up 500%!

Posted by Andrew on Monday, Dec 17, 2012 10:32 PM (EDT):NFP is birth control.  CCC: ” 2370 is a load of hogwash.

  Can you provide proof?  It’s not enough to make the statement.

Gov. Bobby Jindal is right not to try to make Louisiana conform to the wishes of the Catholic Church.  Louisiana is not an arm of the Catholic Church, nor are all the people in Louisiana Catholics.  Jindal has not deserved this criticim.  Why should Protestants, atheists, Jews, Muslims and Buddhists have to live in a Catholic Church-dominated state?  Lots of Catholics in Louisiana will continue to buy birth control aids, as they do now through doctors and drug stores; not employing “artificial” birth control devices is one of the most-ignored tenents of our faith and will continue to be so whether through a doctor or not.

Some answers to Why’s question:
1.  Because the essential properties of indissolubility and unity in the Sacrament of Matrimony is no longer honored.  ‘Conjugal love’ preempts the traditional teaching that marriage is for the procreation and education of children.
2.  Since Vatican II - Easy annulments.  “Ever since the Church began recognizing psychological grounds for annulments in 1970, there’s been an absolute explosion in their number. In 1968, for example, only 338 annulments were granted in this country. In 1978, more than 27,000 were granted — an increase of 8000%. Last year, I estimate more than 52,000 were granted.” ( from the book by Joseph P. Zwach, Annulment: Your Chance to Remarry within the Catholic Church )
The official numbers of annulments in the United States since the Second Vatican Council are as follows:
1984 - 36,461
1985 - 53,320
1987 - 60,570
1988 - 50,000
1989 - 61,416
1990 - 62,824
3.  Compare the numbers above with the 392 annulments granted by the Catholic Church world-wide for all the years between 1952 and 1956.
4. The Gospel of St. Luke:
“Everyone that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery” (Luke 16:18) – torn out of the bible.

Widespread OTC birth control will not reduce unwanted pregnancy. It may well increase sexually transmitted diseases. This has been shown with studies on emergency contraception. This is because of the phenomenon of RISK COMPENSATION. People indulge in riskier behavior because they feel protected by pills, resulting in worse outcomes.

I think the issue here is the principle of the toleration of evil to avoid a greater one.  With that said, the Church seemingly tolerates the evils associated with over the counter prophylactics. They were explicit about long after Griswold

However, that is a far cry from OTC Birth Control pills - which are often abortifacient.  Perhaps the Governor has allowed himself to be led astray by a staffer.

I have known the Governor for well over a decade from when he was a young staffer in DC in a K of C Council I used to attend.  When I regularly saw and spoke with him when he was an Assistant Secretary at HHS.  He fundamentally fought the good fight as chief policy advisor at HHS inside the Bush Administration on the stem cell issue.

He is no shrinking violet.

That’s why this confuses me.  I would like to hear more about his reasoning here before I make a judgement about why is where he is on this policy. 

Of course, maybe a cynicism has set in with him.  Maybe he’s like many politicians, but I somehow doubt it.

And before anyone questions me about my beliefs re: birth control.  I abhor it, do not use it in my married life…. and we do natural family planning the old fashioned way—we don’t plan anything.  I am a proud father of 6.

Gun, knife, poisons, etc are life threatening, but they have to be available for genuine use. If some one misuses them, law can deal with the issue. Liquor or birth control articles cannot be banned by a secular Govt, but the Catholiuc Church should continue to teach what is good or bad about such things without fear or favour. Those who disobey Church and live, Church cannot be a police force to deal with them. God knows the heart and He will deal with individuals. If a secular govt. encourages ills we can only say it is harmful to the souls.

Not everyone believes the Pill (or even IUD) are abortafacient. A Catholic physician in our town (who makes a nice little business with the IUD) firmly denies that the IUD is abortafacient…and he has at least one priest whom he has managed to convince that it isn’t. We know the Pill is an abortafacient due to the math—kind of like astronomers knew that the plant Pluto was out there many, many years ago, but they couldn’t find it (someone eventually did find it, obviously.) I do not believe any one has witnessed a Pill induced abortion, unlike the surgical type of which thee is ample evidence and eye witnesses.

I suspect Jihdahl’s suggestion is political.  I think there is some merit involved with it, as stated above.

Posted by Papabile on Wednesday, Dec 19, 2012 4:46 PM (EDT):
“I think the issue here is the principle of the toleration of evil to avoid a greater one. With that said, the Church seemingly tolerates the evils associated with over the counter prophylactics.”

RESPONSE:  Papabile, NEVER and I repeat Never does the Roman Catholic Church allow an evil expecting a good outcome.  Toleration of an evil for a greater good has never been taught as a Catholic principle.  I suspect you will not just take my word for it nor should you and I apologize for not having the correct teachings about this in this post.  If you are at all interested I will surely oblige, however.

Posted by Papabile on Wednesday, Dec 19, 2012 4:46 PM (EDT):
I think the issue here is the principle of the toleration of evil to avoid a greater one. With that said, the Church seemingly tolerates the evils associated with over the counter prophylactics.

Papabile, NEVER and I repeat Never does the Roman Catholic Church allow an evil expecting a good outcome.  Toleration of an evil for a greater good has never been taught as a Catholic principle.  I suspect you will not just take my word for it nor should you and I apologize for not having the correct teachings about this in this post.  If you are at all interested I will surely oblige, however.

Papabile, who cares about ones erroneous reasoning especially during this day when 3500 humans unborn are murdered daily?  This governor is just another Pelosi or Biden.  To give the appearance of adopting an evil choice is an hateful act against Our Heavenly Father.  Jindal needs to read and adapt to the lives of the Saints and Martyrs.  That’s true manhood.  Jindal is surely just another spiney linqueeny man who wants his cake and eat it too. Men of valor are few in existence today.  He risks his soul for the sake of human applause.

That which sexually objectifies the human person is not Good for any person.

DJ Hesselius -  Reminds me of how the U S bishops have assisted Catholic politicians who claim they do not believe in abortion rights but they will not impose their view.

Joe: quite possibly. But the way the current culture war is being waged isn’t exactly working either, so I am not sure what difference it would make selling the pill over the counter.

We should never promote the contraception mentality which sexually objectifies the human person, promotes promiscuity and violates the gift of self while closing off the gift of life, and is some cases, destroying human life, and thus does not serve the Common Good.

DJ Hesselius - you reject infallible Magisterial Teachings to the detriment of not only your soul but souls you effect with your statement of ‘what difference does it make, anyway’.  That is the way of the world and not the road to obtain Eternal Beatititude. 

    Once again, the road of least resistance is the popular path taken and souls anguish from lack of men of valor.  Please say clearly you renounce Holy Mother the Church and stop confusing people.

While it is true that removing contraception from a prescription to over the counter may allow those who for moral or religious reasons do not want to be forced to purchase a plan that includes contraception coverage to be released from this burden, one should never endorse the contraception mentality, which sexually objectifies the human person, promotes promiscuity, violates the gift of self, closes off the gift of life, and in some cases, destroys human life, and for these reasons, does not serve The Common Good.

Jindal is a Governor to all the people of Louisiana, the different Parties and different Religions. He found a way for Catholics not to have to pay for other peoples contraceptives. He cannot dictate to other religions who believe in contraceptives. Contraceptives have been around for a long time and the only reason why the Bishops oppose it now is because of the Health mandate that now covers it in all insurances. The CC does not want their parishioners paying for it. Gov. Jindal found a way. Sometimes even the Catholic Church has to compromise. The Bishops can control what Catholics do but no one else.  What about condoms, they are bought over the counter and the CC says nothing about the “men”. Why is this whole contraception thing geared toward “women”? Women’s contraception has side effects, condoms do not and it prevents Aids and other STD.  The government used abortions and contraceptives issues as a political mandate for women’s health to get votes. Just as Obama smooth talked Mexicans, promising them this and that, for their vote., and he sure did get it. Why doesn’t the Church and Government talk about the man’s responsibility.  If you are a true practicing Catholic, you won’t use contraceptives.

Joe: Contraception is creeping death in more ways than one. That isn’t just something I believe, but reality. (I think Casti Canub put it as “instrinsically evil and viscious” but “creeping death” has a bit of poetry to it.) It’s also a reality that a lot of Protestants, Muslims, Jews, Budhists, Hindus, atheists and alas Catholics have no trouble what so ever using it.  Also true the Bishops haven’t exactly gone out of their way to promote the things (such as NFP) that may stop contraception in its deadly tracks.

Gov Jihdahl has suggested a way, however incomplete (IUDs can’t be sold over the counter), of having faithful Catholics (and the Church) being required to pay for much of it. (Of course, there is nothing to stop the Gov from requiring that employers pay for OTC drugs as well, which they currently don’t have to.)

Is his idea a great idea? Maybe not, but I think it is worth a look at. And considering that there are already OTC contraceptives out there, I am not entirely sure how adding one more is different (morally) than what we now have.

Sue
1.  No one is a governor to all religions – that is impossibility because freedom of all religions leads to anarchy against God.  That is what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.
2. He cannot dictate, but he must serve God first before mammon or he risks hell fire and damnation – and will be accountable for his abuse of authority.
3. Jindal is playing with fire.  When one seeks human accolades one opposes his very nature which is to love and obey God first.
4. You are deliriously mistaken about condoms preventing aids and STDs.  That’s been proven a pipe dream.
5. The Roman Catholic Church teaches men their responsibilities according to natural/divine law not according to humanly designed whims that change in each generation.  Notice I said R C C and not the new religion of Vatican II, the conciliar church.
6. The U S bishops have lost their will to save people.  See the sexualied catechetics they mandate to be taught to taught to youth in parochial schools that forms deranged barbaric mindsets as Jundal.

No State has the authority to coerce anyone to peddle or provide contraception to any person, as contraception that serves to sexually objectify the human person, promote promiscuity, and in some cases, destroy Human Life, does not serve The Common Good, nor is it Good for the posterity or the prosperity of this Nation or The World.

I too am an ardently pro-life Catholic. Let’s hope and pray the Church can ultimately turn this matter around and operate not from such a vulnerable defensive position, but actually promote natural family planning for its benefits to the marriage sacrament, the freedom it provides from adverse health consequences, and the fact it does increase vulnerability to sexual sin. The mandate matter is such a threat because it wraps both abortion and contraception in the lie that all it is, is essential “preventive health care.” Think about this: one possible advantage of Jindahl’s position as public policy is—without a prescription, abortion and contraception are stripped of their disguise as medical treatments. They are exposed as, frankly, unhealthy life-style choices, certainly not “health care” imperatives.

Thomas Collins, The ‘church’ cannot turn this thing around because the The U S bishops’ schools spoil youths’ minds with sex education that has been Supremely condemned.  Jindal is a manifestation of the destruction within.  People of God have not the spiritual capacity to clean it up except to reject any attachment to it.

@Joe: “Jindal is a Governor to all the people of Louisiana, the different Parties and different Religions” Jo,I shall put it another way. There are people of all religions, races, ethnics, and political parties in Mississippi and he is the Governor of the State they all live in.  There is a separation of Church and State, but when the State said they would give out free contraceptives and approve of abortion, the Church got into it. So, now the Church is suing the State, so to speak. Jindal is trying to help the Church out in that respect.  Don’t be so judgmental of him, let God take care of that. 
“He cannot dictate to other religions who believe in contraceptives”  I guess I should have said the CC cannot dictate to other religions, only to the parishioners of their Church.

Delirious? “Condoms are very effective against the AIDS virus, but data for their effectiveness against some other STDs is surprisingly spotty. They do not provide 100 percent protection, but for people who are sexually active they are the best and the only method we have for preventing these diseases, said Heather Boonstra, a public policy official with the Alan Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit group that researches reproductive health issues.”
I guess I am not completely delirious. Everyone has their opinion.

Sue, “....It should be noted that condom use cannot provide absolute protection against HIV. http://www.cdc.gov/actagainstaids/basics/prevention.html#ref2

Sue -

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Sue,  First, Jindal is a child of God and not of the state.  His day in the sun is fleeting and his position does not have eternal value.  His first law to uphold is God’s law and all that hinges upon divine law.
        The Roman Catholic Church should be looked upon as an interposing source for guidance and truth.  But the U S bishops have been derelict in following Magisterial Teachings and the Jindals and the People of God are confused.  Separation of Church and state has been condemned
Leo XIII - Immortale Dei
http://www.vatican.va/.../documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_01111885_immo...
The Catholic Church, that imperishable handiwork of our all-merciful God, ..... On the question of the separation of Church and State the same Pontiff writes as ...
Pope St. Felix III stated clearly what we must do: “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”

Please, Sue, tell me that you are not relying on facts from a spokesperson of the leading murdering industry of unborn Babies!!??? 
  Now this statement from Alan Guttmacker has prove itself to be true:
Allan Guttmacher, former president of Planned Parenthood was asked, “What makes abortion so secure in America?” He answered in two words: “Sex education.” Atheist Madelyn Murray O’Hare wrote: “The issue of abortion is a red herring. ... The fight is over sex education, including information on birth control.”
http://www.ewtn.org/library/FAMILY/CLASEXED.TXT

Anyone practicing birth control is sinful and not worthy of receiving Holy Communion? I notice in the Gospels that Jesus never denied anyone a sacrament who asked for it. He even gave Judas the sacred bread and wine at the Last Supper knowing that he was about to betray him.

Sadly, it seems that Holy Communion has become denigrated by a number of organized Christian religions, not just Roman Catholics, to be a prize for those who follow the regulations of their church. Ironically, these same churches seem to have forgotten the words, “judge not lest ye be judged.”

charles regal The conciliar church allows anybody who asks for the host to be given to them.  It is also approved by the new canon laws.  The practice was Supremely condemned prior to Vatican II.  No longer do conciliarist believe in ‘consecrated hands’ only to handle the host because the new church has become ecumenical.

You can’t be that naive about the proper handling of the Eucharist or don’t you care?

@Joe: for some reason you cannot understand what I am saying. I said and Guttmacher said that condoms are not perfect. Look, there are a lot of people in Africa who are not Catholic and if condoms can do some help in preventing Aids, so be it. Because of condoms, in some parts of Africa, Aids has gone down; in other parts it hasn’t.
“The Roman Catholic Church should be looked upon as an interposing source for guidance and truth.”  This is correct, for Roman Catholics, but there are many denominations in the world who do not agree with the CC.
Also, I never said that Gov. Jindal was a child of the State. I said he was Governor. A person in Public Office is also an official to people of all religions, not just Catholic….I believe he said he was pro-life. He is just trying to make it easier for the CC.  Right now the CC is spending thousands of dollars in suits against the Healthcare Mandate.
Joe, you sound like someone else who was on the Register blog, who just liked to argue. So, I shall end this now. Don’t answer me anymore. I know my religion as much as you do.

I think Jindal’s idea is a common sense solution that eliminates the major concern that many Catholics have with the HHS mandate. Without the need for Catholic institutions to facilitate access to birth control, they win on both counts - they can embrace the ACA that helps to provide health care to the needy without violating their conscience or Church teaching. Seems like a novel approach to solving the problem.

The proposition that “The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church” is condemned (Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors [1864], no. 55)

No one is pro-life who builds a kingdom for themselves on earth such as Jindal is doing.  His compromises are dangerous and leads to barbarism and survival of the fittest.  Novel ideas never work.  It’s not an easy life to be a Catholic.  We have a set of principles called the Ten Commandments that will give people their dignity, their happiness and desired fulfillment but only if the thou shall and thou shalt nots be followed.  How those words are hated and how the modernists/novel mentalities sugar coat wrong behavior.

        Men need to combat men!  “Christians are, moreover, made for combat….To recoil before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised against truth . . . is insulting to God, and both are incompatible with the salvation of mankind.”  ‘SAPIENTIAE CHRISTIANAE’ 

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sapie.htm

The word contraception means : ‘against life’.

Contraceptives do not only prevent life they actually kill the unborn embryo by not allowing the child to implant in it’s 9 month home,the womb.

So This Governor is not pro-life or (objectively) a practicing Catholic in good standing .
My prayers for his conversion.

Reading the comments here, especially those, that attempt to justify the Governor’s position, shows me that among many Catholics the heresy of Americanism has won.  This heresy, condemned by Leo XIII, posits that the Church, in order to get along, must adopt many of the Enlightenment pronciples upon which the USA is founded and to, essentially, keep its nose out of the American societal arena.  This bad thinking is found in, sadly, many of the reponses I have read.  Joe, on the other hand, seems to have his head squarely on his shoulders in many ways.

It is becoming more and more impotant to enter into a study of the entire teaching of the Catholic Church, starting from the time Christ Himself walked upon the earth.  It is not enough to rely on teachings that only began circulating around 1965.

Society is imploding before our very eyes and whether it is the growing despotism forming in Washington, the raw sewage being flung at us by Hollywood, the cowardice and self-imposed impotence of the vast majority of the world’s Catholic Bishops, the poorly-formed Catholics that follow therefrom or the scourges of abortion, contraception and sodomy, the solution for all of it is for the Church leaders, especially those in Rome, to grow a backbone and start governing again, something that has not been happening for many, many decades.  When a Cardinal like Timothy Dolan cannot bring himself to use the word “sin” anymore and cannot bring himself to abolish the pro-homosexual “Masses” in his own diocese, or when a Cardinal Wuerl can humiliate and discipline a good priest for witholding Communion from a screeching lesbian then we know the Church, from the top down, has a problem.

That this governor, whose face looks like it could grace the cover of MAD magazine, should continue masquerading as a loyal Catholic is further proof that the Church is in free fall, and when that happens society follows suit.

Ryan M.  I, too, wonder what the world would be like if all self-proclaimed Catholics lived there faith. This could be heaven on earth!  Instead we are watching the implosion of our country!  Prayer is the only effective defense against this most painful period in our lifetimes. Joe, Dan…..I agree with your comments. God save us!

Lin, thank you——we might be in agreement.  You said prayer is the only defense and I would add ‘obedience’ to what the Catholic Church has handed on from the time that Christ personally taught His Apostles.  A lot of protestants pray, and still remain heretics and do not grow in virtue.
  All it takes is just one willful deviation from what Holy Mother the Church teaches and it’s down hill from that.  Unabsolved sin is dangerous and deforms the character.
  I’ve been reading Pope Leo XIII encyclical on ‘Americanism’.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13teste.htm  .
    When the Apostolic See speaks, volumes do not need to be written for it to be understood how the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding for the eternal safety of those who will listen.  In this day there is a contempt for these writings.  Man fears not forming his own conscience and has no fear that it might be unhinged from Sacred Tradition.

I believe everything the Church teaches. Good and evil exists side by side. God has given freedom to the humans even to commit sin. So the duty of the Church is to teach the faithful what is good, what is evil and what is sin. It has no police power and God does not want to use such power to reform men and women. These days, many women go about flaunting their cleavages and the flesh that help generate “lust” in the hearts of many. Jesus warned us that those who look at a woman with lust have already committed adultery in their hearts. So the Church teaches us that the women should wear modest dress and that men should not lust after women. However the Church does not use any force or demand legislation for a compulsory modest dress . Similarly the Church does not ask men to close their eyes while going about outside their house. It is for the faithful to learn and do the right thing inspite of the existence of all evil around. Similarly, the right of people to purchase the contraceptives over the counter cannot be denied. So Jindal’s advice must be taken in this light and spirit.

The Church teaches what is good and what is evil and sinful. We have freedom to choose good or evil. The flaunting of flesh inapprpriately by women is helping generation of lust in the hearts of men But the Church does not force a “hijab” like women of another community Similarly the sale of contraceptives over the counter cannot be banned. We asa catholics know contraceptives should not be used, but we do not use force at any stage to dissuade some who resort to contraceptives. Jindal’s advice has to be taken in this spirit.

K C Thomas - the Catholic Church teaches consequences of using free will to sin.  Eternity is a long, long time.  Holy fear of the Lord is necessary for eternal beatitude.  Your tolerance is modernistic hog wash.  Even Jesus expressed righteous indignation towards sins of men.  Men must stop being spinney linqueenies.
Archbishop Hayes December 14, 1921:
“…….To take life after its inception is a horrible crime; but to prevent human life that the Creator is about to bring into being, is satanic….”
http://www.cfnews.org/Hayes-Christmas.htm

Men need to combat men! “Christians are, moreover, made for combat….To recoil before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised against truth . . . is insulting to God, and both are incompatible with the salvation of mankind.” ‘SAPIENTIAE CHRISTIANAE’
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sapie.htm

@K C Thomas
The problem with Jindal’s advice is that it is un-Catholic.
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He needed only say “There is not reason to make the pill a prescription drug and although I believe using contraceptives is wrong, at least making it over the counter would avoid me having to pay for it.”
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Also…
1) Clearly contraceptives are extremely dangerous to a just conceived baby.  In many cases contraceptives abort those babies.
2) Contraceptives prevent the formation of new life.  This tampering with reproduction has consequences. (Materialism, low birth rates in western and Christian society, delayed maturation, a loose attitude toward life, marriage and pro-creation).
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The church stand on contraceptives is based on natural law/fact.  Reproduction is the #1 objective of biological life.

Putting hormonal birth control over the counter would selectively eliminate those who are inclined towards risky behavior, since the drugs really are not all that safe. The hormones are actually contraindicated in groups of women with various common physical conditions.  Some might see OTC birth control as a form of positive social engineering, but it is still objectively wrong.
We are prohibited from assuming the moral authority to determine who should be culled from the human herd.

Jindal, no doubt was trained in the U S bishops schools that employ teachers who object to the Catholic Church’s teachings on birth controlling and Catholic in- name-only colleges and universities that approve of dissent.

I would dare to say the Jindal gets a kick back from Planned Parenthood who is behind making it possible to have the over the counter abortion steroid available to all ages.  According to Mark Crutcher of Life Dynamics, studies show that it is older men who purchase the drug more than any other.  These ‘pedophiles’ are buying the abortion drug for their victims so that they will not get caught.  Furthermore, this drug is in the group-one carcinogenic range.  It is as dangerous to females as mustard gas.  Mr. Jindal should be shamefaced.

Jindal is trivializing the executions of unborn babies.  He is remotely responsible for the death of all those babies from this drug caused by the many who will follow his ‘leadership’.  How can the outer appearance of a man conceal the barbarism contained within?    Eternity is a long time Jindal, and what is your desired destination?