(Editor's note: This blog entry originally appeaed on Oct. 24, 2012):
At long last, the Archdiocese of Chicago's Cardinal Francis George has definitively affirmed what exactly he said in relation to the much-quoted statement about him dying in his bed, and his successors dying imprisoned and martyred.
I first heard the quote used by a Catholic speaker sometime in 2010. If you're a Catholic reader or conference attendee, you've no doubt heard it as well. It's taken on rather mythic proportions... so much so, that I suspected that it might not be factual. The quote has even made its way into the Cardinal's Wikipedia entry.
Over the years I've heard numerous commentators and speakers and writers refer to this quote. Many have described it as "prophetic." Others have incorrectly stated that it was made in response to the current Health and Human Service contraception mandate. Some have attributed it to Archbishop Charles Chaput; others attributed it to Cardinal George. Some thought it was in a column by the Cardinal, others thought it was said in a speech.
The earliest online usage I could find of the quote itself dates to May, 2010.
Call it the journalist in me, but I was never comfortable passing on the alleged quote or using it until I had confirmation about it. In fact, the last few times I've heard the quote used, I've suggested that those using it might want to track down the source. In May of this year, I reached out to the Archdiocese of Chicago to find out if the Cardinal had indeed said it, when it was said, and the context in which it was said.
Susan Burritt, media relations director, said that the quote could not be found in any letter or speech. It was, therefore, not something they could verify or confirm. Burritt noted that it was most likely said by the Cardinal in response to a question, and that it was said sometime in 2010.
"It was a hypothetical statement made in a different context, and intended to dramatize the danger of our living in an increasingly secularized culture," Burritt told me at the time.
With the publication of Cardinal George's most recent Catholic New World column, the source has not only been found, but confirmed by the man who originally uttered the statement.
Cardinal George confirm that he said it, and also adds that the quote has most frequently been used without his important follow-up sentence.
Here's the salient section from the Cardinal's column.
"Speaking a few years ago to a group of priests, entirely outside of the current political debate, I was trying to express in overly dramatic fashion what the complete secularization of our society could bring," writes the Cardinal. "I was responding to a question and I never wrote down what I said, but the words were captured on somebody’s smart phone and have now gone viral on Wikipedia and elsewhere in the electronic communications world. I am (correctly) quoted as saying that I expected to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. What is omitted from the reports is a final phrase I added about the bishop who follows a possibly martyred bishop: 'His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.' What I said is not 'prophetic' but a way to force people to think outside of the usual categories that limit and sometimes poison both private and public discourse."
So, as a corrective, for all those writers and speakers out there desirous of using the quote, when used it should be used in its entirety.
"I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history."
The Cardinal's entire column is well worth reading. The end, in particular is quite poignant.
Analogies can easily be multiplied, if one wants to push a thesis; but the point is that the greatest threat to world peace and international justice is the nation state gone bad, claiming an absolute power, deciding questions and making “laws” beyond its competence. Few there are, however, who would venture to ask if there might be a better way for humanity to organize itself for the sake of the common good. Few, that is, beyond a prophetic voice like that of Dorothy Day, speaking acerbically about “Holy Mother the State,” or the ecclesiastical voice that calls the world, from generation to generation, to live at peace in the kingdom of God.
God sustains the world, in good times and in bad. Catholics, along with many others, believe that only one person has overcome and rescued history: Jesus Christ, Son of God and Son of the Virgin Mary, savior of the world and head of his body, the church. Those who gather at his cross and by his empty tomb, no matter their nationality, are on the right side of history. Those who lie about him and persecute or harass his followers in any age might imagine they are bringing something new to history, but they inevitably end up ringing the changes on the old human story of sin and oppression. There is nothing “progressive” about sin, even when it is promoted as “enlightened.”
The world divorced from the God who created and redeemed it inevitably comes to a bad end. It’s on the wrong side of the only history that finally matters. The Synod on the New Evangelization is taking place in Rome this month because entire societies, especially in the West, have placed themselves on the wrong side of history.




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Sorry,
I had my Iphone on a different email account.
As I said: I’m good. Thanks.
American bishops have a persecution complex. They should try living in Pakistan or most of the middle east countries. The Cardinal will die in his bed, his successor in prison and then his successor will be martyred. Not in this country.
I’m good. Thanks.
Bill S.
That is even sadder and more pathetic. Is there any chance of you ever being open to rethinking what you believe?
You can’t blame the bishops because I would never listen to them. I didn’t know about media matters I was just using my own common sense.
Bill S
Yes.
media matters is the George Sores leftest propaganda outlet attacking the Right and anything else that makes common sense.
Bishops. I’m addressing the Catholic bishops; pointing out to them, using your comment, here, how “effective” their teaching is.
Are you referring to my comment? What media? What bishops?
Bill S, you’re full of bs; go back to media matters where your ignorance will shine. Bishops, look how effective your teaching is.
Abortion - Legal since 1973. No changes by Obama.
Gay Marriage - Accepted by most as per recent state ballots.
Adoption - Can’t discriminate if receiving federal funds.
Birth Control - Silly stand by the Church. Stop lying about the morning after pill causing abortions.
Unemployment - Inherited from the Bush Administration. President has very little control over the matter.
Gasoline - Need conservation. Cut down on demand and the prices will go down. President has very little control over the matter.
I also read that Catholics were told that it was a mortal sin to vote for Obama.
Sue
“I’m sure you heard that one”
No, I’m sorry to say I haven’t heard that one.
“Maybe they are the Catholics who think with their heads and their hearts and who aren’t bullied into voting against Obama….”
Let me think about this one. OK, so what you are saying is that voting for someone who supports brutally murdering unborn babies, and in Obama’s case, born babies as well; refuses to enforce the law passed by Congress and signed by the last Democrat President to defend the Defensive of Marriage Act in courts when challenged; mandates the Church has to adopt-out children to two males or two females or to people who are not married; mandates the Church provide health insurance to their employees that has to include birth control and drugs to abort babies and if they don’t they will be fined millions of dollars a day; 4 years of the highest unemployment causing the most people ever to be in poverty since the Great Depression in the 1930s while cutting down on oil production resulting in gas going for $1.87 to over $4;00 a gallon is “think(ing)with their heads and their hearts?”
“It says more about how poorly catechized those Catholics are…”
I don’t know, Stillbelieve. Maybe they are the Catholics who think with their heads and their hearts and who aren’t bullied into voting against Obama because they have been told that it is a mortal sin not to do so. I’m sure you heard that one. What a scare tactic that was. I guess it didn’t work that well. Did it work on you?
Sue
“Obama is a kind and compassionate man interested in women’s rights way more so than the Cardinal.”
You must have known only the most selfish and cruelest men in your life if you think Obama “is kind and compassionate.”
“More Catholics voted for him than for Romney. What does that say about representative government over theocracy?”
It says more about how poorly catechized those Catholics are, or how they don’t even really believe their own words that they voluntarily profess to believe and pray for in church.
I’m glad to hear of the greater context of the quote. It won’t prevent people, mainly conservative Catholics, from continuing to use it in an apolcalyptic context.
I thought the shorter citation ironic, given that the law seems to be circling closer to bishops who have enabled the sexual abuse of children. Robert Finn could have gone to jail but for the bargaining. If Msgr Lynn had been tried in 2002, Archbishop Bevilacqua might well be following him to prison today.
“you will roast where ever you go after this life by this attempt to deceive Catholics in this late hour of the most important vote Catholics will be required to make to save our faith since the beginning of the United States of America”
Really? I wouldn’t go that far.
This is an interesting blog. I’m sorry I came upon the article so late. Does the Cardinal really believe that his successor will die in prison? That seems a bit extreme. And then his successor will be martyred? What???
Obama is a kind and compassionate man interested in women’s rights way more so than the Cardinal. More Catholics voted for him than for Romney. What does that say about representative government over theocracy?
Lol, John Flaherty, you will roast where ever you go after this life by this attempt to deceive Catholics in this late hour of the most important vote Catholics will be required to make to save our faith since the beginning of the United States of America. You are a die-hard Democrat who I sincerely pray will examine your conscience after this election is over to see if you really believe selling your soul to Satan is worth eternal punishment.
Those who predict the end of the world if Obama is re-elected have fallen prey to the political forces who want Obama’s power. No matter WHO becomes president on Tuesday next, GOD will still be GOD.
Both of these men are Americans who love their country and what it stands for. Democrats take the side of Pro Choice but also believe in the duty of government to do for the poor what charity and love cannot. Republicans hail the sanctity of life -but with six years of control of both houses of Congress and the Executive Branch under GWB- never once introduced a bill to end abortion. NOT ONCE.
Francis Cardinal George and his successors will all die. Where is a moot point. How is moot as well. We will all cross over. How we lived this life, in these moments… out of love for the poor and love for our neighbor… this is what we will be judged by.
I recently read “Catholic Martyrs of the 20th Century” as a person who studied more science than history in college, my knowledge of it is lacking and I was trying to work on that.
While the actual stories of martyrdom are shocking and sobering, what I found more terrifying (based on social dynamics I see all around me) were the incremental, almost imperceptibly small steps that lead up to the moment when governing authorities actually DID martyr many many people for being Catholic - and much of this was within our lifetimes.
As a person who (again) knows little history, I feel silly being the one to remind us that we who dont know it are doomed to repeat it (or not see it coming).
Tim, any objective observer would have to agree that the “prophets of doom” of 1962 were dead right overall about the fate of the Church and society in Western countries over the following 50 years. There are some signs of hope, sure, but overall in the West it HAS been calamity, disaster and eterioration.
Throughout Francis George’s ministry he consistently preaches an anti-world (cultural) view of life; he is a very pessimistic person. He is the type of person that Pope John XXIII called a “Prophet of Doom” in his opening remarks to the Bishops at the beginning of Vatican II (10/11/62). Here is a short quote from that speech: “...In the daily exercise of Our pastoral office, it sometimes happens that We hear certain opinions which disturb Us—opinions expressed by people who, though fired with a commendable zeal for religion, are lacking in sufficient prudence and judgment in their evaluation of events. They can see nothing but calamity and disaster in the present state of the world. They say over and over that this modern age of ours, in comparison with past ages, is definitely deteriorating. One would think from their attitude that history, that great teacher of life, had taught them nothing. They seem to imagine that in the days of the earlier councils everything was as it should be so far as doctrine and morality and the Church’s rightful liberty were concerned.” We feel that We must disagree with these prophets of doom, who are always forecasting worse disasters, as though the end of the world were at hand…”
Thank you for the full context of the quote.
So nice to have this quote in its full context, with the all-important message of hope and timelessness at the end. It’s nice to see a journalist actually research a story!
Margie,
Are you saying that you know more than the Cardinal and his spokesperson, or is it possible that the Cardinal made the remark more than once?
Actually, you are all wrong. The Cardinal said this at the annual Respect Life Coordinators conference, and it was much earlier than 2010. He did say it during the Q&A. I believe that it was in March of 2009. He either speaks at this conference or celebrates the opening Mass.
It’s too bad we can’t start imprisoning bishops now, since it is their failures and negligences that will lead to their successors being imprisoned.
Good heavens! Casting Crowns, I find myself agreeing with you! The bishops did support socialized medicine for decades! And then they tried—even up to the last year—to get it without abortion and without paying for abortion and contraception. Whereas it was apparent all along that it would come to this. I’m just afraid Cardinal George has the time line wrong. He will die in his bed and the next generation will be killed in their beds, not imprisoned. I met devout Christians from Soviet Russia, and they told me their story about how they were persecuted by the state. They had the highest grades in high school, but were passed over for college and forced to work in agriculture because they were Christian. The same could happen with Obamacare, but I pray it will not. Some will get the health care they need, maybe the president’s marxist friends, but the rest—the Christians, Jews, elderly, sick, handicapped, poor, deformed infants—will be denied health care, and die. We are giving the state that kind of control. God bless you. Susan Fox http://christsfaithfulwitness.blogspot.com
tz’s assertions are too specific to be taken literally, but the gist is right: as we destroy the Constitutional safeguards against tyranny because we don’t want to be bothered with the trouble of maintaining the safeguards, we ensure the emergence of a tyranny that will turn its full force against us. They won’t need to use drones, but the effect will be the same, and anyone who questions it will be accused of being unpatriotic. Or perhaps of drinking Kool Aide.
@tz…Good Heavens! Stop drinking the Kool Aide. It’s destroying your
brain!!!
He will die in bed.
His successor, after the cheering over the PATRIOTact and suspension of habeas corpus will die in indefinite detion currently being applauded by the neocon cathiolix.
His successor will be killed by a drone, as will any medic, fireman, or mourner at his funeral as is done today.
And he will lose the 501c3 status and feeding starving children will be considered ‘material support of terrorists’.
Put simply, tomorrow, we will be treated exactly as Muslims are treated today. From towel-heads to mitre-heads.
PS, in my opinion, any Catholic who votes for Obama either hates the Church or hates himself or herself. Because we have in Obama someone who is directly attacking the freedom of the Church and of individual Catholics. TO vote for him is to vote for an attack on yourself as a Catholic.
Even if you are a bad Catholic who uses artificial birth control etc and doesn’t care what the Church teaches, you should still care about the government attacking the Church, and your fellow Catholics who DO want to be faithful…and won’t be able to without paying fines or losing their business now, thanks to Obama. Attacking religious freedom is unamerican.
Thank you for this clarification and pointing us to his insightful comments. But I happen to think that quote IS prophetic, too….it’s not merely theoretical, because the signs are here in our culture. That’s why it resonates and has gone viral.
Prophetic because besides legal and cultural attacks, anyone who sees the anti-Christian hatred—and it’s real hatred—in a lot of the online liberal websites/comboxes cannot doubt that actual persecution will soon be possible here in the US…at least for faithful Cathlics. The false Catholics—compromisers and collaborators that they are—will probably be ok…
Dave D: your post is spot-on.
Thanks, Mr. Drake. More than I thought….but….
To set the record straight, there are 7 bishops from the U.S. attending the Synod. They are: Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York; Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller of San Antonio; Bishop Gerald Kicanas of Tucson, Arizona; Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles; Bishop Joseph Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky; Archbishop William Skurla, of the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh; and Cardinal Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C.
Those who want to follow the Synod, can check out the Catholic News Service blog. Bishop Kicanas has been regularly blogging on the events and discussions taking place in Rome. You can find his blog posts here: http://cnsblog.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/inside-the-synod-opening-mass-is-extraordinary-moment/
Well, no, not really prophetic. But then neither is, “The next president will be either Obama or Romney.” (It could be Biden, if Obama unexpectedly succumbs, for example.) Nor is, “The next president of Syria will be a Muslim,” or, “The nationwide average price of gasoline will never again fall beneath $1.00.” But all those statements show a basic awareness of what’s going on in the real world. So does the Cardinal’s statement. The only “overly dramatic” aspect of it is the timescale. Perhaps his successor will not die in prison; perhaps several generations of bishops will be martyrs. But the overall trajectory is right. Please note that in some places—Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Antioch, for example—the SERIOUS business of picking up the shards and rebuilding has yet to begin after more than a millennium of suffering.
so dave where did u say the secularization, the sexual revolution and poor catechization of the masses happen???? and whose not to blame???? hey stilbelieve, i think they call it “denial”
Stilbelieve, do you know how many US bishops are in Rome for the Synod? I think it’s about what, maybe 3? I could be wrong.
@Dave D. Stillbelieve is correct with his/her assessment. I can count several cars at Sunday Mass sporting Obama stickers. Even the Pastor champions Democrats despite their party platform which excluded God and Israel. I personally do not look to Rome for anything. Popes have no understanding of America beyond Hollywood and that we are a cash cow for the Vatican. The parade of liberal USCCB Bishops brought us Obamacare and the socialism gospel which includes support for open borders and the Dream Act. The Church is now reaping what they have sown by not teaching we should stand on Bible principles. This is not what they teach in seminaries. Instead, delivering a nice “unoffensive” 7 minute homily on Sunday teaches no one while pacifying everyone. If you’ve been to Mass in Europe you’ll see old women while the men are standing at the back vestuble reading the newspaper and smoking. Perhaps Benedict should really focus the new evangelization closer to home in Europe since he knows his neighborhood best.
Stillbelieve - According to what I read, Pope Benedict’s focus for the Synod on the New Evangelization is primarily Western Europe. I agree that entire societies have placed themselves on the wrong side of history and that we are 12 days away from perhaps the most important election in our lives. However, the “culture of death” (the term coined by Blessed Pope John Paul II) is largely the result of secularization, the sexual revolution and poor catechization of the masses, all occurring since the early 1960’s. Our leaders in Rome are not the cause and certainly did not bring us to this point. They are engaged in thwarting this evil. I believe that the HSS assault on religious freedom has awakened a sleeping giant, as witnessed by USCCB push-back. Let’s pray for our Church and governmental leadership!
sma -
...but where are they now? In Rome. They need to be here where the battle for Western civilization is being fought out in this election. Catholics gave us this Administration. The “fight” you said they “BEGAN” didn’t go any place. The people didn’t want Obamacare. The Bishops did, until they didn’t because of abortion and now birth control, but their not here arming the faithful to fight this battle and winning it Election Day. Over 40% of church-going Catholics plan on voting FOR this Administration that is full of lies and is attacking the foundation of Religious Freedom using the Catholic Church as their starting point.
‘join’ the fight to save it? they BEGAN the fight to save it.
“The Synod on the New Evangelization is taking place in Rome this month because entire societies, especially in the West, have placed themselves on the wrong side of history.”
This country is going to hell primarily because of Catholic voters. We are 12 days away from what most conscientious voters think is the most important election ever concerning the future of our country, and the leaders of those who have brought us to this point in history are wining and dinning in Rome talking about what is wrong with the West instead of joining the fight to save it.
Francis,
I think you’re right in your assessment. I’m not presuming that they are written in stone, but simply trying to offer a corrective for the many times I’ve heard the quote uttered by others as if they were written in stone. Understanding the quote within its broader context is helpful in understanding the Cardinal’s meaning.
The oft-quoted remark has repeatedly been used to mean things other than what the Cardinal intended. Every time I’ve heard the quote, no one was ever able to share where the comment was made, to whom, when, or why.
Now we know.
Tim,
I’m glad that you found the entire context of the quote. Still it seems that you’re taking it a step further by presuming that the Cardinal’s words are somehow written in stone. The point of the quote is to illustrate times of trial and tribulation that await the Church. The Cardinal appended a time of restoration to his words after the time of trial, which sounds a lot like a father telling his kids that everything is going to be alright. That added sentence may be wishful thinking on the part of the Cardinal and you.
Francis
Harold - just an observation. You’re the one who brought political affiliation into the discussion. The article and the Cardinal’s comments makes no mention of political affiliation.
Ridiculous! Why do your Republicans fantasize about being persecuted?
Thanks, Tim. Beautiful.
One of my favorites of his biweekly columns. Yes, Mr. Drake the ending is poignant considering that the Cardinal is himself in a battle—a battle for his life with both cancer in his kidney and in his liver. As a Catholic from Chicago, I ask all readers to remember him in your prayers as he undergoes chemotherapy. Thank you
I never thought the statement was meant by Cardinal George to be prophetic. I always thought that the way he explained it was the way he meant it. However I also think it could be prophetic because God intends it to be and the Cardinal doesn’t know it. In that case only God knows.
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