There’s a meme going around certain quarters that Republicans are nuts because a massive number of them believe that President Obama may be the antichrist.
I first encountered this on the Drudge Report, which linked to the British paper the Daily Mail, which has a story headlined:
Here’s the entirety of what that article has to say on the antichrist subject:
Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president ‘may be the Antichrist’, according to a survey.
That’s it! No link to the original poll. No clue about how it was run. Nada!
A lot of other people are blogging it without linking it, to which I can only say, “Shame on you. Linking is an essential part of blogging. You’ve got to show people the source so they can make their own judgments. Blogging an inflammatory subject with no link is Just Plain Wrong.”
So I’m not going to do it. Here’s a summary of the Harris Interactive poll at the root of the meme
According to the Harris Interactive group, the poll . . .
. . . finds that 40% of adults believe he is a socialist. More than 30% think he wants to take away Americans’ right to own guns and that he is a Muslim. More than 25% believe he wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a world government, has done many things that are unconstitutional, that he resents America’s heritage, and that he does what Wall Street tells him to do.
More than 20% believe he was not born in the United States, that he is “the domestic enemy the U.S. Constitution speaks of,” that he is racist and anti-American, and that he “wants to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers.” Fully 20% think he is “doing many of the things that Hitler did,” while 14% believe “he may be the anti-Christ” and 13% think “he wants the terrorists to win.”
Among Republicans, the numbers are different:
Majorities of Republicans believe that President Obama:
* Is a socialist (67%)
* Wants to take away Americans’ right to own guns (61%)
* Is a Muslim (57%)
* Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (51%); and
* Has done many things that are unconstitutional (55%).Also large numbers of Republicans also believe that President Obama:
* Resents America’s heritage (47%)
* Does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (40%)
* Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (45%)
* Is the “domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of” (45%)
* Is a racist (42%)
* Want to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (41%)
* Is doing many of the things that Hitler did (38%).Even more remarkable perhaps, fully 24% of Republicans believe that “he may be the Anti-Christ” and 22% believe “he wants the terrorists to win.”
While few Democrats believe any of these things, the proportions of Independents who do so are close to the national averages.
What the press release doesn’t tell you, but what is in the poll summary table, is that a surprisingly number of Democrats believe similar things. They proportions are smaller than the above numbers, but significant number of Democrats believe that President Obama:
* Is a socialist (14%)
* Wants to take away Americans’ right to own guns (17%)
* Is a Muslim (15%)
* Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (12%).
* Has done many things that are unconstitutional (9%).
* Resents America’s heritage (12%)
* Does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (15%)
* Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (8%)
* Is the “domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of” (8%)
* Is a racist (7%)
* Want to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (8%)
* Is doing many of the things that Hitler did (6%).
* May be the Anti-Christ (6%).
* Wants the terrorists to win (5%).
The Republican party, of course, has a large Evangelical component that is interested in the end-times, inclined to think we are living in them, and thus on the lookout to scope out current political figures with an eye to whether they might be the antichrist. That’s just going to happen to some degree. (Note also: It says “may be” the antichrist, not “is”). It’s like back in the ‘80s when some were suggesting that Ronald Wilson Reagan was the antichrist because he had six letters in each of his three names.
The more surprising number—if any of these numbers were real (more on that in a moment)—is how many Democrats think Obama might be the antichrist. If six percent of your own party think you may be the antichrist, that’s potentially newsworthy.
Rather than the nutty/scary/evil Republican meme, the more newsworthy headline based on these numbers would be something like,
“More Than 1 in 20 Democrats Think Obama May Be Antichrist (And Compare Him To Hitler)”
But are these numbers even real?
The poll was an online one that apparently used leading questions. (It wasn’t the completely unscientific kind of online poll, but it used methodology that is at least questionable.)
So at bottom what it looks like we have is an iffy, leading poll being used to feed the meme of “conservatives have Obama Derangement Syndrome.” (As if we hadn’t just suffered through eight years of Bush Derangement Syndrome.)
When this kind of thing happens, and particularly when it involves religious matters (like who might or might not be the antichrist), it’s important to have a response.
So I wanted to give you the scoop on the poll (including a link! I had to search hard to find that!) and some perspective in case someone throws this your way (and they may; it was on Drudge, after all).
As a final bit of perspective, I’ll say this: Whatever his flaws may be and however profound they may be, President Obama does not fit the model presented in the Bible of the figure commonly referred to as “the antichrist.”
The book of Revelation presents the Beast from the sea (commonly identified with “the antichrist” that John’s epistles speak of, though they may not be the same) as a European monarch who literally demands worship and who puts Christians to death and whose name adds up to 666 in a common alphabetic/numbering system in use at the time. That fits Caesar Nero (right down to the name adding up to 666), but it does not fit President Obama.
Of course, there may well be a future fulfillment of the antichrist archetype (I expect that there will be)—and there is a great deal of liberty of interpretation here since the Church’s teaching in this area is very limited—but we shouldn’t feed the meme identifying President Obama as the antichrist.
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I agree that Obama is not the “antichrist”, though he may have a spirit of antichrist - time will tell. He clearly is not a fan of the Catholic Church and evangelicals.
I did a piece identifying Nero as the antichrist in the book of Revelation (as you also point out), and also prove that the Catholic Church is not the !@#$% of Babylon - see what you think: http://jimblazsik.com/2009/07/30/the-president-and-the-antichrist-2/
In some way, Obama resembles more a Frederick II (1200s). He uses a sense of “reconciler”, but as a means to consolidate power in his hands and eliminate critics or potential enemies, but in no way as a friend of Christian truth. Frederick was much worse and much more powerful than Obama, and really had a virtually unstoppable power - until he got sick and died (not unlike Alexander the Great). Obama is small compared to this guy.
Now, I think we have to have a great sense of hope - the world has passed through dozens of men of the same kind, and we are still here, the Church is still here, Anglicans are coming home in great numbers, and so forth. If Nero, Aurelius, Frederick, Stalina and Hitler couldn’t win in the end, there’s a reason. Follow, Gamaliel’s words: If this is a work of God, opposing it is ultimately in vain.
Although I don’t remember the exact quote, I seem to remember St. Paul speaking about multiple antichrists (following the same sense of the word as St. John used), namely the Antiochus/Nero et al. club. Julian the Apostate would in some way be in that group. Jimmy, can you help on this?
This is, of course, ridiculous. Any thinking person knows Nancy Pelosi is the antichrist.
Those who turn their back on the poor are the ones Jesus condemns.
Brother Alan
All sorts of things have been said about all sorts of head of state. Some true and some not. The truth is God has the heart of “the king” in His hands and He can turn that heart around. God doesn’t need my help to do that but maybe it would be better to pray instead of complain and speak negatively about the president. What would happen if….“My people upon whom my name has been pronounced humble themselves and pray, and seek my presence and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from heaven and pardon their sins and revive their land.”
In scripture we find that “God chooses rulers of the people”. I believe Obama was chosen to wake up the Christian community to its duty, in His Name, to protect life. Too long have we, in the United States, have just barely held the line against abortion. Now with Obama as president and totally pro-abortion, we have been galvanized into action. God is in control and His people are responding to His commands.
Ah, but Brother Alan, Jesus tells us to engage in free commerce (go and sell all you have) and then give it away freely to the poor. There is no virtue, no charity in using government power to steal from the private sector and redistribute it to others. There is no virtue when there is no freedom.
They forgot one important stat: That the percentage of Democracts that believed 9-11 was an inside job was right up there with the Obama-not-Citizen crowd. Gotta be careful when you throw the nutjob boomerang.
Maybe not, but he’s sure as heck a forerunner.
Okay, here’s a link for you.
http://www.ignatius.com/Products/AC-P/the-antichrist.aspx
By Father Vincent Miceli (Father Italian Too Bad…if you know what I mean).
Jimmy, top-notch analysis and perspective as usual. Well done.
I think the question is, how many of these same people think the Pope is the anti-christ?
Maybe about the same.
Thank you for the insight to what defines the anti-Christ. It may be inaccurate to define Obama as the anti-Christ, but I would submit that his actions speak loudly to that definition. Though he is not a European monarch demanding we worship him, the media portrays him as some kind of messiah ~ almost to the point of his being able to walk on water. I would also submit that he may not be calling for the literal death of Christians, but the passing of the current healthcare bill certainly takes Catholics & Christians on a figurative ‘death march’. The attack on the unborn, the attack of those in the medical professions who will no longer have conscience protection, the condition that hospitals will be forced to put faith in the closet or close, non-medical boards that will decide who will be deserving of medical care… all of these requirements listed in the healthcare bill will have a profound effect on mankind.
God gifted our nation with men who recognized that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness were God given. Outside Independence Hall when the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended, Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,“Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”, but the citizens of this great nations have behaved like the proverbial frog placed in the pot of cold water ~ unassuming to the danger of the heating water until it is too late. I fear what is in store for us as a nation. The “progressives” are leading the nation into a hole of destruction.
I am saddened by the direction our country has taken. Unfortunately, Catholic politicians have been the worst offenders. Bishops who have fallen prey to temptations of the secular society have failed to lead & teach. They have failed to properly catechize the people in the pews. I must daily remind myself that I must not put my trust in man, but that the real goal in my life is to do my best to attain an eternal reward with Our Lord.
But what did the people taking the poll think was meant by “the antichrist”? Sure, some people may have understood the term to mean the false messiah who will appear before the Second Coming of our Lord. But I’ve heard lots of people use the term to mean, 1)someone they really don’t like, 2)someone they really can’t stand, or someonw with whom they vehemently disagree.
If he’s not the anti-Christ, he sure works for him, IMHO.
The Holy Father met with Obama to open a dialogue with him. But so many are more “Catholic” than the Pope. Just one look at the parable of Dives and Lazarus should awaken selfish people who are more “American” than Catholic.
Brother Alan
Isin’t the Anti-Christ supposed to appear after the rapture? If that is the case, I don’t ever want to know who the Anti-Christ is!!!! I know a few poeple who should be gone and they are still here, whem they dissapear then I’ll worry….LOL!!!!
Tim R.
Clearwater, FL
Oddly enough, I have never actually read anyone stating or implying that they were more Catholic than the Pope, or that Pope Benedict XVI is not Catholic enough. I have, however, seen plenty of “Catholics” who are Democrats first and Catholics second (or third, or fourth), Brother. Even to the point of supporting a pro-abortion “health” bill which will probably result in fewer poor people receiving treatment in the long run as nearly half of America’s doctors have said that they will likely seek a new line of work as a result of this bill passing into law. But as long as the poor are “covered”, even if it’s in name only, I guess that makes it good. What’s that old saying? The road to Heaven is paved with good intentions? Something like that.
You’re right Brother Al, Jesus met and ate with sinners also. Jesus even had his betrayer at his table up until the last supper.
The Pope knows what he’s doing.
I wish Americans did.
You can’t possibly be serious, Brother Alan.
Pope Benedict certainly was open to dialog with President Obama. They are both heads of state. And Pope Benedict was very clear about the need to defend innocent life, something Obama completely ignores. So your point is…what exactly? We should be given the same opportunity as Pope Benedict received? If I am given that opportunity, I certainly will be glad and honored to share my Catholic views with the President.
But for those of us who are now under his leadership, the next four years will be little more than what we have seen already: a steady, unyielding, self-serving, teleprompted monologue. He has demonstrated little interest in any substantive discussion on issues, except in very controlled environments and even then, only if under duress…once everything appears to be a foregone conclusion.
Your accusation appears to be that those of us who are thinking Catholics and oppose the centralization of statist power over the lives of millions of free American citizens which involves federal interference in medical issues and while simultaneously turning Catholic Social Teaching on subsidiarity on its head are simply selfish? My only question to you is: do you believe that we should keep our oaths? If so, why do you support Obama violating his oath of office to uphold the Constitution?
Do you also not care about Catholic Health Care? Obamacare will effectively destroy the Catholic Healthcare System along with the insurance industry.
The issue is not about those who are more “American” than Catholic. The issue is with those who are more Leftist and Socialist and Collectivist-leaning in their socio-economic-political beliefs than Catholic and, because of their ideology, cannot recognize when they are being hoodwinked by a very effective politician.
Labels don’t help, do they? There has never been an American President who totally supported the agenda of the Catholic Church. Don’t forget that the original quetion was about Obama as anti-Christ.
Brother Alan
What about obama`s agenda pro-abortion, Alan? How is Obama supporting the agenda of the Catholic Church? Are you jocking?
Dear Brother Alan,
Yes, I recall the original topic. But you seemed to be making accusations here that those in opposition to Obama (even recognizing some of the Anti-Christ/Anti-Christian policies he is implementing) neglected the poor, were selfish and more “Catholic than the Pope.” Of course, I also do not buy into certain strains of “American eschatology”, even though I believe that the country is exceptional in its history, but certainly not without its flaws.
And yes, I also know that no President in US history has ever fully reflected Catholic teaching in policy or behavior…not even the only Catholic incumbent (certainly not the current VP either).
Finally, are labels helpful? Yes, only when accurate.
We have discussed this same issue in our coffee group. Some have commented that they believe he is the Anti-Christ. He certainly has the characteristics and descriptioms of the Anti-Christ mentioned in revelations.
Brother Alan
“Those who turn their back on the poor are the ones Jesus condemns.”
Brother Alan
Maybe it’s time to get acquainted with scripture. A read from John 3:17 to help you? “For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world, through Him, might be saved.”
The world is already condemned, and we do not go to everlasting death because one single inaction, and that is not accepting Him as our Lord and savior. However, by accepting Him, it would be hard to justify not caring for the poor.
Folks:
Jesus condemned no one. We condemn ourselves.
Jesus did not condemn anyone, but his WORD does condemn us.
Brother Alan, there is more than one way to turn your back on the American poor.
One way is to condemn them to generations of welfare and to not teach them to work and better themselves.
The Catholic Church is THE largest charitable institution in the world.
People should be ultimately be dependent on GOD, not the GOVERNMENT.
Please stop lecturing me about Obama. I pray for him, but the guy brings evil to our country, period. So to refer to him as the anti-Christ is well within reason.
Some people care more about their party then their God. Hope that’s not the case here.
Ted K.- interesting comment. And I’d like to discuss that.
God told Adam and Eve to obey, or they would surely die. Yes, they condemned themselves, but without God laying out the rules and the punishment, they’d not have been ultimately condemned.
None of us are still in the Garden of Eden and uncondemned.
God is a God of justice AND mercy. So, I think there is an element of God’s giving us what we want and that’s our condemnation.
I’m still thinking about this one though. I do know that God’s WORD condemns us- that’s biblical.
I don’t think \he(Obama) is the anti Christ He is setting the table for alot of evil things to follow the people here in America. If we let more things pass as rule in our government things will get more disturbing for Christians.We already have legalized abortions,living together non-married males/females,and gay couples as a life style.We need a society going back to “101” traditional, or we will be doomed as civilized people.
God is already being thrown out of law,do we need to do more damage to our laws?Without God we can do nothing ,and nothing it will be.
liseux:
Here is a Catholic response to your thoughts:
http://wordbytes.org/healing/nocondemnation.htm
Obama is a megalomaniac, pure and simple. Look it up.
Obama is—the duly elected president of the country, trying to uphold the constitution and hold together a fragmented and verbally abusive nation to the best of his ability. God protect him.
Heh?
Obama is tearing the Constitution to shreds!
Yes, God protect him, and also get him out of there when his term is up.
Just say no to anti-Christs!
I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for Obama. However, who died and made you God? No one did. It’s not for you to judge this man. He will meet his maker, much like you will. Personally, what Obama is doing to crumble this culture is less of a concern than what our own leaders of the Catholic Church have done in recent years. I’m telling you, they have hidden this horrendous sex scandal for years. And God is putting the hammer down, because those responsible have not. It is a disgrace what is going on with the sex scandal. I served on a parish council for 5 years and the priest, not one time, addressed the parish on this issue. Parishoners, like sheep, are lost on this issue. It’s very disturbing and the Church shouldn’t be covering it up any longer. This “cancer” continues to spread. In fact, notice the Pope is now wrapped up into it and is going to have to work hard in getting out of it. The “truth” comes out in everything, eventually. And God will make sure that those involved pay their due. God is running this show, not the priests, cardinals, bishops, or the Pope. I’m a cradle Catholic and am very disappointed in the Church, not my faith, but the Church. Obama’s problems pale in comparison with the acts going on right in our own backyard. Wake up fellow Catholics. You better start praying for own that are destroying our society and worry less about some man that will be gone before you know it. Keep your eye on the “prize” (God), not on politics. And leave the judging to your maker.
Mike McGinnis
Ah, give Obama a pass but condemn and judge the bishops and the Church?
More Democrat than Catholic?
We are called to not make rash judgements. Obama has been in office for more than a year, and he has proven himself to be a liar and a deceiver on the abortion issue (I know it’s a sacred cow to you Dems…) and I WILL judge his actions.
Judging Obama for his actions is called for.
I trust God to sort out the tares from the wheat in the Catholic Church.
As for politics, we get what we deserve here in America, and that’s why we have such a sorry administration in office now. We are reaping 4 decades of sitting on our Catholic hands when we should have been praying and acting.
One thing the much “greatest generation” did NOT do was hand down their faith. They handed down their materialism and consumerism, IMHO.
I am not making that mistake with my children. They know their faith, their Constitution, AND they will JUDGE people’s actions and hold them accountable for them…. including presidents.
That should read, “One thing much of the ‘greatest generation’” did….
First, off, I’m more Catholic than Democratic. Secondly, it’s time to hold the leaders of the Church accountable. It’s time EVERYONE from the Pope on down come clean. I could care less if this country is destroyed vs. the destruction of my Church and faith.
As catholics we should defend the life. Is Obama pro-life? I think that all catholics who vote in Obama will have a big responsibility before God.
Mike, the Church is always in need of reform and purification, sometimes more than others.
The Church, based on Matthew 16:18, will not have the gates of hell prevail against it- even the hellions IN the Church won’t bring it down. AND those are the worst ones of all.
I agree, Jimmy.
You obviously did not have the nuns for math in school or you would have never written such a piece. And, you might have received a rap on the knuckles for even suggesting poll numbers lean toward the President of the United States (whoever he was) being the Antichrist. Wake up!
As s registered Republican who cast his first presidential vote for Richard Nixon. I am one vote away from being able to say that I voted for every Republican for that office since, with the exception being Jimmy Carter. As time passes, I find myself moving farther and farther away from my Party. With Rush Limbaugh as spokesman, Dick Cheney as our “War Lord”, and Sara Palin as comic relief; sometimes I don’t recognize the Grand Old Party. If 24% of Republicans believe that President Obama is the “Antichrist” and 61% think he wants to take away our Right to own firearms; I think that those folks, along with the “birthers”, need to get back on their medications.;-P I believe that the Democratic Party in general, and President Obama in specific, are really doing what they think best for America in a extremely difficult time. Franklin Delano Roosevelt did that, and history has treated him fairly well; no one of note thought he was the “Antichrist”, though we did see the National Firearms Act of 1934 that restricted machine guns and destructive devices during his Presidency. Subsequent to FDR’s four terms in office we did see the Twenty Second Amendment to the US Constitution being passed by Congress in 1947, and ratified by the States in 1951 to prevent another “Imperial Presidency”. I did not vote for President Obama; I voted for John McCain III. I thought that McCain had a much better background and experience for the job. But, once the die was cast I was, and still am, willing to give President Obama all the benefit of the doubt. President Obama did represent positions that I do support wholeheartedly; a rapid exit from Iraq and Afghanistan, an end to the prison camp at Guantanamo, fiscal responsibility and help for home owners facing foreclosure. Unfortunately we are still in Iraq, we are ramping up in Afghanistan and Gitmo is still open for business. After bailing out the big Banks and Wall Street, we have a multi-trillion dollar health care bill, and very few middle and lower class homeowners can get help with their mortgages.
I don’t know much; my multiple failure to predict my own personal failings would prove that. But, I do know this; President Obama is our legitimate President, and I will stand beside and support him because I am a patriotic American citizen. I took and oath to “protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America” the first time when I enlisted in the US Navy, and I have taken the same oath several times over many years of service to this Nation. I will never waiver, never fail; but that is the way I was made.
Bill Hilburn
It is amazing how racist, narrow-minded, backbard these commentators are. You would neatly fit into the mob of witch burners of Salem or the mass murdering crusaders. You are completely ignorant of most of the issues. Obama as Hitler???? Read your history books! You are against government intervention? I bet many of you are on Social Security and beneficiaries of Medicare, government programs that attracted a lot of vicious comments and resistance at the time they became the law of the land. Take your head of the sand and stop using labels on anyone who does not fit the mold of your demented imagination. If you stopped being immersed of your antiquated dogmas and joined the real world you may become “enlightened”.
Personally I think Obama may be the Beast, but Rahm Emmanuel may more likely be the antichrist. Christ warns us to be on the lookout for the antichrist; who’s to say that that Christ didn’t really mean that? Obama is the most pro-abortion president ever and plans to spread abortion around the world and to force it on Catholic institutions if he can. There has been no conscience clause. If we are in the times of an antichrist, I don’t think Obama can be counted out.
Thank God for Bill Hilburn; I thought for a minute that this was some sort of group therapy for people whose antipsychotic medication had not kicked in yet. This poll allowed people to “volunteer” and did not confirm party affiliations. It was easy to hijack (although not as easy as O’Reilly’s Fox polls, where occasionally, all the lefties vote and have 80% of people saying that the Tea Party folks are all crazy… good for laughs, but PLEASE, don’t FALL for these things, adults!) The president was born in Hawaii, he won the majority of the popular and electoral college votes, and has as of 3/31 a >50% approval rating.
It’s both amusing, and at the same time depressing, to see American audiences cottoning on to the rubbish that’s printed in the UK’s Daily Mail - which tends to be called the Daily Fail, or the Daily Liar by many of it’s opponents - and I mean opponents - lots of us really despise the Mail.
It does however have a great many readers swallowing every word as gospel truth.
The Mail’s stock in trade are articles which run down the country, attack foreigners - particularly those who live in the UK, attack homosexuals, attack the Government, and even attack the Conservative Party - who they claim to support. Also vulnerable are any minorities of any kind - which tends to cover both Muslims and Christians in the UK.
The average Daily Mail reader wouldn’t know a Republican from a Democrat or the Ku Klux Klan from the NAACP - the article is an Anti-American rant - no more no less. It simultaneously has a go at Barack Obama - destroying the myth prevalent among the UK population that he is universally adored (he pretty much is in the UK), whilst making those American’s most opposed to him look like superstitious hyper-religious nut jobs. Riding two horses at once is never a problem for the Daily Mail.
Sorry for any offence caused (or should that be offense ?) - My parents read it every day - they this is just for the crossword.
The whole government leadership system we have in this country is a corrupted, inconsiderate, and foolish. Obama is part of the shananigan. I think it’s all a shananigan. The American people need to WAKE UP and smell the dirtyness of this government that I think is a joke!! There is no accountability and there needs to be. I think it’s time we all need to stand up and tell them, “Look, this has gone on for far too long!!! THE JIG IS UP!!!!” Personally, the number one thing that a person has to do to become a politician is first a foremost, SELL THEIR SOUL TO THE DEVIL!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C05QutdiYoA
Wow what can I say, well first of all Obama hasn’t done any thing to help our country and he racist gainst white people. Next thing we know white people will become slaves and will be fined for saying niger or any racist comment. He just hasn’t done anything. And probably isn’t even a citizen, and he even messed up on the oath. And even cursed on tv. That’s all I have to say. And if you have a problem with this, deal with it. And he will drive us down the drain and the economy with us. Yep good choice America, you have killed us all, and most of the voters were black to. I say fire him and take him out of the books. America you were stupid this time. And hope you learn the next time.
THANK YOU!
“Next thing we know white people will become slaves and will be fined for saying niger (sic) or any racist comment… and most of the voters were black to (sic).” Look at yourself, please, “Dallis church”. I know there is a possibility that you are a leftist trying to make the racist, vicious branch of the “opposition” sound stupid and ignorant. As a leftist, I sincerely hope that if that is indeed what you are doing, please, STOP. All that does is to further polarize and heat up the horrible insanity of this ludicrous discussion, and adds fuel to the fire by making the right look like illiterate, hysterical fools. That does not help. An attitude of “Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they are doing” is far more appropriate. They really do not know what they are doing… and GOOD HEAVENS, they also don’t seem to know how to SPELL it!
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