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How to Discuss Abortion With 'Pro-Choice' Friends (4811)

May 6 issue feature on pro-life-talk tips.

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After a disheartening and unsettling discussion about abortion with friends and family via Facebook, I began to ponder: “Will conversations about abortion always end in anger and hurt feelings?” and “Is there something I can say that will make me a more effective advocate for the unborn — without alienating the other side?” After all, my exchange with this pro-choice individual was not about winning an argument; it was about changing her heart. I wondered what advice prominent pro-life Catholics — people who understood the other side’s motivations — would give for discussing abortion civilly.

Catholic convert Michael Pakaluk, professor of philosophy at Ave Maria University, says that it can be very difficult to discuss abortion civilly — and any other unsettled topic, for that matter: “Political correctness in schools and a debased public culture have prevented most people from getting any practice in debating matters of morality, religion or politics.”

Abby Johnson, a former employee of Planned Parenthood who is now pro-life, believes this hot-button issue is best talked about when the pro-life person takes a prayerful approach. The pro-life organization 40 Days for Life engages people in this way, she said. “Instead of turning it into a debate, they offer peaceful and thoughtful answers to the men and women in the pro-choice movement.” This organization was instrumental in Johnson leaving Planned Parenthood. Since 2007, 69 abortion workers have left the industry, and 22 abortion facilities have shut down because of local 40 Days for Life campaigns.

The Opposition
In order not to alienate the other side, it is important to assume that they have good intentions.  “All of us try to do what we think is best, even if our minds are darkened or we are misguided,” said Pakaluk, “so always attribute even better motives to others.”

Atheist-to-Catholic convert and NCRegister.com blogger Jennifer Fulwiler — who used to be adamantly “pro-choice” — said to never use an accusatory tone. “We understand what is really going on, but when you say to someone, ‘Hey, you support vicious murders!’ it doesn’t inspire them to be open to what you’re saying.” She said a more effective approach is to ask, “I understand that you would never support murder and that you’re in favor of abortion because you believe that fetuses are not fully human. Would you be open to having a discussion about that?”

In a recent talk, Sister Mary Loretta of the Sisters of Life said if you really want to understand the perspective of someone who’s pro-choice, ask: “What happened in your life to make you believe abortion is necessary?”

Fulwiler agreed that motivations matter: Getting to the root of what is really making the person angry about the issue can usually lead to a fruitful conversation. “Thanks to contraception, pro-choice people see pregnancy as something that can happen to you out of the blue, like a lightning strike or a cancer diagnosis. Thus, they see abortion as the only possible way for women to control when they have children. To them, it’s an issue of freedom. I have found that that’s where the real anger on this issue comes out.”

Johnson believes that self-control, patience, peace and prayer are essential in changing hearts and minds. “When we don’t have a loving approach to any argument, those arguments can easily be hurtful to the pro-life stance and can help that pro-choice individual continue to believe that they believe the truth.”

Be Sensitive
According to the Guttmacher Institute’s “Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States (August 2011),” one in four women have had an abortion by age 30. Consequently, it is important to be sensitive to the possibility that the person you’re conversing with may have had an abortion or someone close to them has experienced abortion. If you discover that the woman did have an abortion, be sympathetic towards her, Johnson advised. “Let her know that we [those in the pro-life movement] care about her, and we want to walk with her through this time of crisis and healing,” said Johnson, who regrets her two abortions.

Fulwiler pointed out that women have been lied to by our culture — lies that drive them to abortion. “Contraception sells them the lie that sexual activity can be separated from its life-giving potential, and the pro-contraception culture tells them to go ahead and engage in the act that creates babies even if they’re not ready to have a baby.” Fulwiler added that organizations such as Planned Parenthood discourage women from understanding reproduction and the miracle that is happening inside their wombs, assuring them that the babies growing within them are not human and may pressure them to abort. Keeping all of this in mind helps one keep an attitude of charity and sympathy, Fulwiler said.

And Pakaluk suggested reflecting on what it means to be post-abortive. He made this analogy: “Suppose that by mistake you ran over your child when backing your car out of the driveway, but either didn’t know it yet or suspected it was true but hadn’t confronted the reality.  A woman who has had an abortion is like that. She’s been misled and tricked by her society, by those who should have been showing good leadership, into doing something that, if she understood it truly, would almost drive her mad with grief and self-recrimination.” A post-abortive woman must be treated with dignity and feeling, he added.

Pushing Past Discomfort
I’m still not sure if abortion can be talked about without losing friends. Realistically, I’m fully prepared for my next conversation about abortion to be angst-filled, but armed with this advice, I feel more equipped to discuss this topic charitably. Like a lot of Catholics, I’d rather sidestep conversations about abortion because it makes me feel unsettled. But knowing abortion is not going to end if each of us does not try to change one heart at a time propels me to push past my discomfort.

Internet Advice
Chances are, you are discussing abortion on the Internet. Proceed with caution: People frequently set aside their social filters online, and they say things that they wouldn’t say face-to-face. Keep in mind these tips:

1. Never resort to insults. If you do, you’ve already lost the battle.
2. Keep a sense of humor — it puts the other person at ease and diffuses a tense situation.
3. Reread what you wrote to make sure it’s neither mean nor condescending before pushing the “send” button.
4. Be sensitive. 
5. Know when to step away. “If you’re having a hard time explaining the pro-life position with love and charity,” said Jennifer Fulwiler, “get out of the debate and just pray for your Facebook friends instead.”


Lori Hadacek Chaplin writes from Idaho.

 

 

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If by 30 one in four women have had a surgical abortion then by 20 they’ve had a pharmaceutical abortion (all non barrier contraceptives are abortives). By 30, probably 100% of all women on contraception have had a pharmaceutical abortion. This truth is so shocking that pro life legislation recognizing the person since conception is impossible to enforce in this contraceptive (in fact, pro-abortifacient) culture.
Blessings in the Holy Family
F.Nazar at gmail.com

Scientific proof that abortion is immoral
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-that-abortion-is.html

Safe sex: 100% effective
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/safe-sex-100-effective-contraception.html

Social consequences of contraception
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2012/02/social-consequences-of-contraception.html
http://blog.adw.org/2012/04/cohabitations-dirty-little-secret/


Not negotiable principles
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/not-negotiable-principles.html

Freemason’s agenda
http://uwcideology.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasons-agenda.html

Gay friendly homophobia
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/dear-lpcers-and-uwcers.html

Homosexuality and child sexual abuse
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/homosexuality-and-child-sexual-abuse.html

What’s God’s Word on homosexual relations?
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/whats-gods-word-on-homosexual-relations.html

Population bomb defused
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/pop-bombs-defused.html

Everybody in Texas
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/everybody-in-texas.html

Scientific proof of religion
http://prove-religion.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-of-religion.html

If by 30 one in four women have had a surgical abortion then by 20 they’ve had a pharmaceutical abortion (all non barrier contraceptives are abortives). By 30, probably 100% of all women on contraception have had a pharmaceutical abortion. This truth is so shocking that pro life legislation recognizing the person since conception is impossible to enforce in this contraceptive (in fact, pro-abortifacient) culture.
Blessings in the Holy Family
F.Nazar @ g m a i l . c o m

Scientific proof that abortion is immoral
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-that-abortion-is.html

Safe sex: 100% effective
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/safe-sex-100-effective-contraception.html

Social consequences of contraception
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2012/02/social-consequences-of-contraception.html
http://blog.adw.org/2012/04/cohabitations-dirty-little-secret/


Not negotiable principles
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/not-negotiable-principles.html

Freemason’s agenda
http://uwcideology.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasons-agenda.html

Gay friendly homophobia
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/dear-lpcers-and-uwcers.html

Homosexuality and child sexual abuse
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/homosexuality-and-child-sexual-abuse.html

What’s God’s Word on homosexual relations?
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/whats-gods-word-on-homosexual-relations.html

Population bomb defused
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/pop-bombs-defused.html

Everybody in Texas
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/everybody-in-texas.html

Scientific proof of religion
http://prove-religion.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-of-religion.html

If by 30, one in four women have had a surgical abortion then by 20 they’ve had a pharmaceutical abortion (all non barrier contraceptives are abortives). By 30, probably 100% of all women on contraception have had a pharmaceutical abortion. This truth is so shocking that pro life legislation recognizing the person since conception is impossible to enforce in this contraceptive (in fact, pro-abortifacient) culture.
Blessings in the Holy Family
F.Nazar @ g m a i l . c o m

Scientific proof that abortion is immoral
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-that-abortion-is.html

Safe sex: 100% effective
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/safe-sex-100-effective-contraception.html

Social consequences of contraception
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2012/02/social-consequences-of-contraception.html
http://blog.adw.org/2012/04/cohabitations-dirty-little-secret/


Not negotiable principles
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/not-negotiable-principles.html

Freemason’s agenda
http://uwcideology.blogspot.com/2011/12/freemasons-agenda.html

Gay friendly homophobia
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/dear-lpcers-and-uwcers.html

Homosexuality and child sexual abuse
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/homosexuality-and-child-sexual-abuse.html

What’s God’s Word on homosexual relations?
http://intolerant-tolerants.blogspot.com/2011/12/whats-gods-word-on-homosexual-relations.html

Population bomb defused
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/pop-bombs-defused.html

Everybody in Texas
http://popbombs.blogspot.com/2011/12/everybody-in-texas.html

Scientific proof of religion
http://prove-religion.blogspot.com/2011/12/scientific-proof-of-religion.html

If by 30, one in four women have had a surgical abortion then by 20 they’ve had a pharmaceutical abortion (all non barrier contraceptives are abortives). By 30, probably 100% of all women on contraception have had a pharmaceutical abortion. This truth is so shocking that pro life legislation recognizing the person since conception is impossible to enforce in this contraceptive (in fact, pro-abortifacient) culture.
Blessings in the Holy Family
F.Nazar @ g m a i l . c o m

More scientific info:
http://www.blogger.com/profile/11753870247552318946

I just had a 3 day conversation on this very topic with a friend that I have had since I was 4 years old (I’m fifty three now).  I rarely talk to her, but she put a picture of a rather nasty T-shirt on her FB page and I couldn’t remain silent.  While I doubt that our conversation caused her to change her mind, she did admit that she sees the inconsistencies in her argument.  And then both of us began tripping over each other trying to be nice on subsequent posts.  At least 5 times during the conversation, either she or I, made a point of saying that our feelings for each other would not changed based on the outcome of this conversation. 


At one point she stated that she hoped I could respect her opinion and I said that I would always respect her, but no I could not respect her opinion.  I didn’t say I respected her right to have an opinion, but rather that I respected her.  And I do.  Most people who are pro choice are not evil monsters.  They are just folks who haven’t really fleshed out their arguments. 


My advice would be to listen, really, really listen to the person you are speaking with, and address each argument as it comes up.  There are as many reasons for being pro choice as there are people who are pro choice.  If you’re not willing to listen, often with your heart, then you are preaching, not conversing.


Lastly, if you are listening well, you will be able to tell when to end the conversation.  You can always pick it up later, but don’t push past the point of no return.  They will drop clues as to when they have had enough, and you would do well to heed them. 


Turned out that she didn’t even realize how nasty the T-shirt was.  Never picked up the pro choice undertones and thought it was all about standing up for gay rights.  So her intentions were not inflammatory.  If I had simply jumped on her, both of us would have lost a great opportunity to discuss, discuss, discuss.  Now I’ll be praying for her.  We shall see.

The four steps/advisements below are suitable for both Catholics and Protestants. Catholics will recognize in #1 & #2 St. Thomas Aquinas’ theme that grace can build upon our nature. Protestant pro-choicers can readily come to see that #1 & #2 are rooted in John 1:3—“through Him (Jesus Christ) *all* thing were made”.
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1)  respect God’s *Personal* Rights over HIS embryos (for we humans can *empathize* with Jesus’ caring for HIS Personal Treasures just as we want others to respect OUR personal, earthly treasures!  2)  emphasize one’s personal relationship with Jesus (absolutely crucial but little heard in Catholic settings, though Protestants often stress such a personal relationship ), 3) take account of peoples’ real & sinless tendency to *doubt* early personhood – doubts often leading to *rationalizing* an abortion under great pressure if one focuses *first* on life (whose very soul-status is what is doubted!!), and 4) educate believers to focus *first* on God and God’s Rights *only in order to avoid succumbing to temptation under stress*.
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That is, ALL newly formed human life (from conception when sperm & egg join successfully) becomes Jesus’ Personal Treasures, therefore to be respected for that primary reason, among others. The “all” in John 1:3 cannot be legitimately interpreted by ANY denomination as excluding God’s embryos. In any candid analysis, it does NOT matter whether we *think* the tiny embryo is not a person: Respect for Life and Respect for God requires our deference toward God. A short way to respond kindly to doubts is “None Dare *Risk* Murder” which calls upon the believer to Honor God above all other con siderations.
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And for Catholics, there is John Paul II’s special theme from EV 9, yet to be openly embraced in Catholic Pro-Life literature and Strategy:
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“Indeed “the blood is the life” (Dt 12:23), and life, especially human life, belongs only to God: for this reason whoever attacks human life, in some way attacks God himself.”
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Note that #4) above does *not* mean Respect Life is second; it means that when tempted to abort that we should, as for other occasions of sin, think first of God and, for Catholics at least, also have recourse to Mary.”  The latter reflects that most beautiful, helpful Catholic doctrine: the “Communion of Saints” which functions while we are yet on earth! Hence we do not replace or displace Respect Life because the two approaches are *complementary*.
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In the spirit of the above article let all consider this comment in your comments, blogs and articles. We have but ~ 6 months to help save our Republic and God-intended freedom, especially for our kids and grands – or else answer to them for being lukewarm!

As the mother of a child with Down syndrome, I am aware that there is an additional element which contributed to an abortion of a child with a prenatal diagnosis. Too often spouses, doctors and friends tell the woman that abortion is the most compassionate thing for the child to spare her pain of a unfulfilled difficult life. They are not told of the amazing advances in therapy, education and medicine which lengthen and enhance the lives of people with Down syndrome. They actually make the mother feel selfish for wanting to give birth to the baby, saying it will take too much time and attention away from her other children.
Dr Brian Skotko found in a 2011 survey of over 3,000 families with a child with Down syndrome, 98% said they are happy with the child, and 98% of the children (some were adults) say they are happy with life. Where can you find such an incredible level of happiness? The siblings are content too, 89% of them say being the sibling of someone with Down syndrome has made them a better person. Share this survey in the Journal of Medical Genetics if you know someone facing a prenatal diagnosis. Offer support and help them to get good information on life with special needs. For this I edited my book “A Special Mother is Born” 34 stories from Catholic parents of special needs children, to give hope to women facing pressure to abort a special needs child.

Prof. Pakaluk,  Why are you targeting pro-choice Protestants?  Cardinal Schönborn on the staff of Ave Maria University is notorious for giving awards to pro-abortion politicians and recently he made these headlines:  “Overruling one of his parish priests, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna has permitted a homosexual in a registered domestic partnership to serve on a parish council. Father Gerhard Swierzek, the parish priest of a small parish in the archdiocese, had refused to allow Florian Stangl, 26, to serve on the council….”  This cardinal is a loose cannon and continues to control and impact.  Furthermore, 53% of educators in parochial schools and CCD programs believe abortion is acceptable and can remain in good standing in the church and only 10% of teachers follow the wisdom of Holy Mother in Church in regards to contraception.  For these reasons why are you trying to convince Protestants when ecclesiastical advisors as Schönborn have no sense of a Catholic conscience?

Leticia-  thank you for your post!

I recently had a very awkward conversation in which an acquaintance hit me with a barrage of talking points, out of the blue, not seeming to have ever considered that I might disagree…I was so tired that day all I could do to some was not say anything in response.  Oddly enough, I think my silent less-than-automatic-agreement prompted the person to feel a need to explain.  Some of them must really live in an echo chamber, I think?
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F Nazar: with all respect, there cannot be ‘scientific proof’ that something is immoral.  You can have scientific proof that the unborn are alive and human, and then logic leads one to conclude that it is wrong to kill them, but to leave out that step is misleading.

  In my own family I have seen two cousins who had abortions and how it has warped and destroyed their lives.  They were lied to by the media, the culture, the general ‘ethos’ that makes it the ‘right’ choice.  It wasn’t ‘time’ to have a child, It was so easy to say -  “I love children, I want my child to have a great mother and father and home”. They bought into the lie that abortion is ‘pro-child’. But in the end the only children these women ever had they killed. 

  Both are past child bearing age and childless, adrift and struggling with deep feelings of emptiness and meaninglessness and a terrible loneliness.

  If there is one thing to tell a woman about to get an abortion:  I could give you a hundred reasons why this MAY be the only child you will ever have.  This ‘unwanted’ child might be a treasure to mankind, or at the very least, the one person who will ever love and cherish you completely in this life. YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Pro-choice friends must surely be an oxymoron.

This article, which is excellent, by the way, does, however, contain a big assumption:  that everyone who considers themselves pro-choice does not consider an unborn baby a human life.  It is more likely that they have come to a different conclusion about how to strike the legally appropriate balance between unborn children and their mothers.

Many pro-choice people would never have an abortion themselves, and would not encourage a loved one to have one either.  They simply believe that this decision is best left to women and their doctors because it can be medically and ethically complicated.

The Catholic stance is that the second a woman becomes pregnant, her life and health are secondary to the life and health of her baby—no exceptions, even if carrying through with the pregnancy could result in the death of both of them.  Many pro-choicers find this “all or nothing” stance to be both unreasonable and morally unsound.

“I didn’t say I respected her right to have an opinion, but rather that I respected her.”
That is the most moving and beautiful response ever!
I didn’t plan to comment, just read. But this blew me away.
Had to let you know!

I find it hard to be sensitive when arguing with someone who finds it ok to kill an unborn child.  Where is their sensitivity to the child?

It is interesting that in todays readings at Mass, was the comments of the “vine and the branches”.  When the branches (us) become seperated from the vine (Juses Christ and His church), we wither.  I was reminded that it is imparent that we reeducate ourselves and reconnect with the basic truth and teaching of our Holy Church.  This would apply to abortion, conterception, whatever.  I suspect this is where some of the “progressive” orders on sisters got lost, also the 53%(?) of parochial educators and teachers. We see so much of the Western Church withering….now I am better, however sadly, connecting the dots.

No, pro-choicers do not have good intentions. They beat up pro-life sidewalk demonstrators or run them over with cars. They get pro-lifers arrested on false charges. They’re a violent, demonic crowd who hates people praying on street corners. They should be questioned differently. A good one to ask: “Do you support protection of animals and their unborn fetuses from experimentation and destruction because they’re not human? If so, explain how can you favor the destruction of human fetuses and embryos because you believe they’re not human? How do you know they aren’t human?” Point out their dichotomy.  Women patients are completely different; don’t assume they’re pro-choice. Many were coerced against their will by friends & family to have an abortion. Sr.Loretta’s question “What happened to make you think abortion is the only choice” is right on. They should be handled differently from the friends and family. Remind them: 1. There is no such thing as a therapeutic abortion 2. Miscarriage and elective abortions are 2 different things, don’t confuse them 3. Abortion covers up the crimes of pedophilia, rape and incest; thereby allowing the criminal to repeat his offenses 4.The father’s crimes shouldn’t be a death sentence for the child 5.Abortion never helps women recover from trauma, it prevents it 6.Any friend or family member who procures an abortion for another isn’t charity, it is an accomplice to sin. There is no way to “be sensitive” and sugar-coat murder; souls are at stake, and the pro-life movement loses traction when it secedes.

“they see abortion as the only possible way for women to control when they have children. To them, it’s an issue of freedom. I have found that that’s where the real anger on this issue comes out.”
After a lifetime of being perceived as second class humans, women have been convinced that, to achieve equality with men, they must be able to do as men do. That is, have sexual relations without getting pregnant.  But, women have sacrificed their integrity and dignity. They have sold themselves cheaply. And they have not achieved equality. Instead, women are perceived as sex objects, and the proliferation of pornography, the sex slave trade, homosexual “marriage”, etc. are the results.
Women must reclaim their honor as being equal partners made in the image of God. They must keep their bodies inviolate until marriage. If women lead the way in restoring morality to our nation and the world, many of the ills affecting us will be gone.

It is always our way as humans to rationalize when we fall short of the will of God.  As one reads scripture, it becomes obvious that the man or woman that feels sorrow for sin rather than trying to rationalize it is pleasing to God, i.e. King David or St. Peter.

If one who is pro-abortion admits they are wrong, they are basically admitting they have come down on the side of murder for whatever length of time they have supported abortion.  This would be extremely difficult for most people to do, and if this person had actually been involved in an abortion decision it would make it even more difficult.  I’m not sure if human argument can convince or convict a person of this sin, but God can.

This boils down to a battle for the heart rather than the mind.  Although earnest discussion might be necessary, I feel that prayer is more necessary, as God can change hearts

Trusting in God’s Wisdom


There once was a man who proclaimed he did not believe in God.  “God could never love anyone and if he existed, I would insist that he prove it to me”, he often proclaimed to friends.  “God takes lives all the time and the poor and down-trodden are first on the menu”, he would say further. Even though the man was often kind to people all throughout his life, he believed that one should live life to the fullest in every way. He also believed strongly that a woman had every right to an abortion, and if she chose to do so, it was her business only.

One day the man found himself in front of an abortion clinic watching women walk in as protestors were praying and begging the pregnant women not to go in the clinic.  A woman who was protesting began talking loudly to a young pregnant woman who was walking into the clinic. This immediately enraged the man and he began yelling at and cursing the woman who was protesting and others began to join in.

The young woman walking into the clinic became scared and upset at both the woman protesting and the man, and immediately turned and ran away from the clinic. This enraged the man and others even more and they escalated their yelling and insults toward the woman protestor. The woman protestor cried and left the scene.

Many, many years later the man was in a serious car accident and was thrown from the car. As he lay dying, many people consoled him as an ambulance rushed to the scene. A young priest who had also been called to the scene began to perform last rites. The man, although in terrible pain and very terrified, gruffly said to the priest, “Don’t waste your breath with that prayer, Father, I’m not a Catholic and even if I was, God has never gone out of his way to help me – take a good look”.


The priest gently smiled at the man and stopped saying the last rites. After a few seconds, the priest began to softly recite the Divine Chaplet of Mercy. “For the sake of His Sorrowful Passion, have Mercy on us and the whole world”, he recited over and over. The man peacefully passed into darkness.


Suddenly, a great light engulfed the man along with great love. The man was more afraid than ever as he knew he was in the presence of God. He asked what was happening and who it was that he was speaking to. He asked this because he could only see one form but felt there were others in the area as well.


“I am Jesus, Son of the Living God, and you have been born to a new life. We are here to judge your life on earth”. Immediately, as in a video, the man began to see his entire life in review.  The good and the bad.
Many times when he helped the poor, other times when he freely partook in sins of the flesh. Times when he helped the elderly, and times when he intentionally hurt other people. The life review seemed to stop as quickly as it had started and the man felt ashamed.


Quickly, however, the man recovered, and recalled what he had said to friends during his life. “What chance did I have when my creator never showed any effort to reach out to me with love?” “Why did you not even try a little to help save me from myself?”.


The Lord looked lovingly at the man and played back the life scene in front of the abortion clinic. The man was mortified as he watched himself become enraged.  He was overcome with resign and asked the Lord what happened to the woman protestor who had left the scene those many years ago.


The Lord responded, “She was called to me a few days later, she had accomplished her mission”.


“And what of the woman that decided not to have an abortion that day?”, he asked.


“She bore a healthy son and passed to me after childbirth, she had accomplished her mission”.


The man looked down and felt very sad. He slowly looked up and softly said to the Lord, “I wish I would have met her son; that I could know what he looks like and see how he turned out in life”. But, I never did, and yet you show me these images anyway.”  Lord, can you not show me one instance in my life where you went out of your way even a little bit to show the extent of your love for me”?


“You met her son at the twilight of your life”, said the Lord, “He will be joining us soon – he has accomplished his mission”. “Come, let us go to heaven”.

The man felt happy, relieved, and curious all at once, and felt compelled to ask Jesus two final questions. “Who was this woman’s son and what was his mission?” , asked the man.


“He was a simple priest who believed in God’s Mercy, and you were his mission”, responded three voices.

I confess I am doing this posting so that I will get the commments published here. Long ago now my daughter taught me that saying YOU ARE GOING TO MURDER YOUR BABY does not change the mind of a girl or woman entering an abortion busine$ss, but that I LOVE YOU AND GOD LOVES YOU AND YOUR BABY does.

Many years ago my wife and I had a very heated and angry argument with our Pro-Choice Catholic friends after Mass. We decided that we would never argue with others about abortion. We realized that we, indeed, do not have the power to change a person’s heart. Many of the other respondents to this discussion have many great ideas and methods on how best to approach a discussion on this serious topic in a civil and loving way. We decided, though, to quit talking and do something positive in our own lives; we took classes and became a sheltering home for women in crisis pregnancies. This simple, humble and quiet witness has done more than we could hope for to develop a new respect for our Pro-Life stance and actively help those in need. My point is not to advocate this approach to everyone but most importantly to encourage a person’s witness to their belief in the sanctity of life by working privately and proactively to support(in some manner) women who are desperate for love and understanding during a time of serious crisis and turmoil in their lives. Love, compassion, prayer and sacrifice, in my opinion, will ultimately prevail in our battle to promote the value and wonder of God’s Gift of Life.

NEW OXFORD REVIEW April 2012
Sidewalk Counselors: Your Work Won’t Go Unrewarded

What a fine guest column Edmund B. Miller has written about the generous and amazing work done by prayer warriors and sidewalk counselors outside abortion businesses (“Abortion & The Creed of Progress,” Jan.-Feb.). He admits that “discouragement comes swiftly and heavily. Often I wonder why I should and do continue.” Anyone who has stood and prayed outside an abortion business can echo these feelings; but the unseen effects of these prayers, of this witness, are far beyond what can be imagined.

Last fall a group of us were praying outside the last abortion business (of four) in Corpus Christi, Texas, when a car drove up and screeched to a sudden stop right by us. When this happens one usually expects the worst. But this time a man got out and approached us, weeping. “You have no idea of the good you do here,” he said to us. “Thirteen years ago my pregnant girlfriend and I drove up here and you all were praying here. This was for her scheduled abortion. We went inside and we felt the evil. I thought about you all on the outside praying. We left. And now, because of you, she is my wife and, because of you, we have beautiful twin teenage daughters. Never stop this, keep praying here.”

All who were there that day 13 years ago probably felt the “discouragement that comes swiftly and heavily.” But our prayers touched this man and his girlfriend and changed the course of human history. This is why those who stand and pray “should and do continue.”

Another time we prayed most of the day outside a Planned Parenthood abortion business in Bryan/College-Station, Texas, as 17 girls and women went in for abortions, with no “saves.” Once the “business” day was over late in the afternoon, we went to a local restaurant, depressed and gloomy. While we were there, a woman came up to us and asked if we were “the people praying at the Planned Parenthood clinic.” We told her we were, and she said, “Thank you, I saw you praying and because of you I did not go in for the abortion.” This is reason enough to continue, because even if we do not know about it, a baby might be saved because of our prayers.

I firmly believe that when anyone who stands and prays outside an abortion business, anyone who engages in sidewalk counseling, anyone who is a conduit for God’s love to these girls and women, gets to the pearly gates and St. Peter is studying the book and checking the commandments against what the person has done, there is going to be a crowd of little children telling St. Peter, perhaps impatiently, “This is our friend. She [or he] is why you call your book the ‘Book of Life.’ You have to let her come in here with us.”

Mr. Miller is correct when he says that those who pray and those who counsel have “not been paid to do this.” This is true, in the practical sense. But in the spiritual sense, what one gives away is what one takes to Heaven; and those who do this give God’s love, and they take with them to Heaven the embodiment of that love in the saved children and the saved mothers, fathers, and families, and the love in each caress and kiss those mothers give to their babies.

Guy McClung
Rockport, Texas

Motherboard on Saturday, May 5, 2012 commented that pro-choice people “have come to a different conclusion about how to strike the legally appropriate balance between unborn children and their mothers”. And that “The Catholic stance is that the second a woman becomes pregnant, her life and health are secondary to the life and health of her baby—no exceptions, even if carrying through with the pregnancy could result in the death of both of them.  Many pro-choicers find this “all or nothing” stance to be both unreasonable and morally unsound”.

These comments show a profound misunderstanding of Catholic teaching.  The mother’s life and health are NOT secondary to the child’s.  The two are equal.  Every effort must be made to preserve the life and health of both.  No direct action may be made against the life of either.  Further, in modern medicine, I doubt that there is ever a case where sacrificing the babies life would be medically necessary to save the mother or vice-versa.  It would certainly be rare.

I have told this story before.

When I was young, misguided and foolish, I was in a relationship. We did foolish things, and I got pregnant. The boyfriend insisted I get an abortion. My mother insisted I get an abortion. I was 19, but ‘too immature to raise a child.’ On the way out to my boyfriend’s car, my father stopped me.  He looked sad and compassionate. He said, “You aren’t doing what you think you are doing. Think about what you are doing. You have nine months. All the time in the world to really decide what you want.”

I looked at him and realized I was on my way to killing his grandchild.

I walked away from my boyfriend’s car, telling him that I would make up my mind later.  He wouldn’t have anything to worry about, and I would never peg him as the father, nor ask him for help. I’d die in the gutter first.
Besides, why would I ask the man who wanted “it” dead for help?

My father offered to take me to my grandmother’s, where I could stay until my child was born.  Mom wouldn’t even have to look at me until then.

The day before I was supposed to leave, I had a miscarriage in the bathroom. I felt so bad about flushing the remnants of a child down a toilet that I told my family I’d lied about the pregnancy. Anything to prevent my mother from saying, “I told you so.” Or that somehow my miscarriage was a good thing.

I forgot about everything. I’d lied so effectively that I thought it was the truth.  I even managed to get back together with that looser.
Needless to say, it ended badly, but with no more ties to him. Knowing
what I know now, it never could have been a true or natural marriage.

  My health deteriorated over time, and I needed heavy medication.  It wasn’t until I remembered what happened, that I was able to heal the pain in my soul.  If a miscarriage can mess up anybody that badly, it is truly a lie that an abortion is a solution to anything.

 

 

In Response to Guy McClung’s very reasoned and intelligent words above: Should Guy McClung even be allowed to post here?

Last week a wealthy South Texas OIL SHALE FRACKER handed my elderly mother (as she left Mass) a truly vile diatribe which denounced ALL DEMOCRATS, saying that voting Democratic was tantamount to a MORTAL SIN.  My mother was left shaken and nearly in tears after reading the filth handed her.

Let me tell you a few things:  Many families vote Democratic because they personally know countless wealthy Republicans who dress in fine clothing and park their seventy thousand dollar SUVs at Church regularly, yet they support the Death Penalty, do not want to pay any taxes to care for the poor or infirm, and repeatedly strike down any attempts to control the proliferation of handguns (300 HUNDRED MILLION AND COUNTING IN THE USA) which are wreaking havoc on the inner city. 

God bless and keep you all and especially today, God bless America. Here below - for the record - is the “vile diatribe”.  Also, google this:  wikianswers mortal sin obama.

              Mortal Sin: Vote Democrat
                                                              by Guy McClung, J.D., Ph.D.

      Is it a Mortal Sin to vote for Obama?  Finally bishops, archbishops and cardinals across the USA are making it crystal clear:  no Catholic can in good conscience vote for Obama or for a Democrat. Bishop John Paprocki of Springfiled Illinois, stating that the Democrat party platform planks “explicitly endorse intrinsic evils”  said “a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.”

      In 2008 the bishops’ words were twisted and distorted by dissenters and liberals in the Church to justify voting for Obama and other Democrats by focusing on issues less important than abortion and saying that “Catholics are not single issue voters.”  But now it is clear that the Democrats are wrong, dead wrong, on not one, but on five separate issues.  The liberals and dissenters will not be heard to say this time around “Catholics are not 5 issue voters.”  The bishops have made it clear that there is no compromise on three non-negotiable issues - abortion, infanticide, and racism are intrinsically evil and no issue can morally trump them. A Catholic with a well formed conscience cannot justify voting for a Democrat because they like the Democrat’s position on an issue like poverty, war, the death penalty, women’s rights, “social justice,” or immigration.  “This is a big moment for Catholic voters to step back from their party affiliation,”  said Archbishop Lori of Baltimore. He also makes it clear that a Catholic cannot vote for Obama or for any Democrat:  ““The question to ask is this: Are any of the candidates of either party, or independents, standing for something that is intrinsically evil, evil no matter what the circumstances? If that’s the case, a Catholic, regardless of his party affiliation, shouldn’t be voting for such a person.”  Other issues – although politically significant- do not rise to the level of moral significance of intrinsic evil such as racism, abortion, and infanticide.  Obama and the Democrats not only promote abortion, they want everyone’s tax money to pay for abortions for any woman who wants one.

      Regarding infanticide-the killing of an already-born baby - Obama himself has advocated infanticide and he has said that no medical care should be provided to a baby born alive who has survived an abortion – to him and to the Democrats not letting this baby die an excruciating deaths might be a burden to a woman’s decision to have an abortion if she knew her baby might live and might need medical care after an attempted abortion - and the Democrat Platform in asserting what they view as the “absolute” nature of the court-created “right” to abortion supports infanticide. Recently the Obama campaign refused to state any limitation or restriction on abortion that Obama would support - this will insure infanticide in the cases in which a baby survives the horror of abortion and is left to fie in pain, alone, often in a grabage can.  Bishop Felipe Estevez of St. Augustine, Florida has condemned the infanticide of an already-born baby. “The taking of an innocent human life, whether inside the womb or not, and up until natural death, is always and everywhere intrinsically evil,”  said the bishop.

      Obama and the Democrats advocate for and promote racism by funding racist Planned Parenthood with millions of dollars of our tax money – an abortion business that purposefully targets black and Mexican-American babies by locating its locations in or near minority neighborhoods and has accepted money on the racist condition that it will be used for killing only minority babies.  This promotes the racist purposes of Planned Parenthood – in the words of its founder Margaret Sanger - to rid the world of “human undergrowth.” To racist Obama and the racist Democrats,  black and Mexican-American babies are this “human undergrowth.”

      Obama, who once supported traditional marriage before this election season,  has a new “evolved”  position to redefine marriage and to destroy traditional marriage – as is currently defined by federal law – as the union of one man and one woman.  Archbishop Jose Gomez of Los Angeles has called the definition of marriage a “non-negotiable:”  “Abortion and euthanasia are never allowed because they involve the direct taking of innocent human life. There is also no negotiating the God-given definition of marriage and family based on the permanent and exclusive union of one man and one woman.”

      Obama and the Democrats deny religious liberty to all Catholics.  Archbishop Lori, who chairs the US bishops’ Ad Hoc Committee on Religious Liberty, said the defense of religious liberty is “fundamental” and “transcends party….Many in the media have portrayed the HHS-mandate fight as a fight about contraception — as well as sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs . . . but this really is a fight about religious liberty.”  Archbishop John Meyers of Newark N.J, makes clear the connection between efforts to re-define marriage and the inevitably ensuing denial of religious liberty. He states that a such a redefinition would “seriously undermine religious freedom…….How long would the state permit churches, schools or parents to teach their children that homosexual activity is contrary to the natural law if homosexual marriage were a civil right?” he asked.  He notes that “hate speech” laws in other countries have already been used to arrest ministers who teach the Bible’s message on marriage.

      For Catholics this coming November there are five “non-negotiables,” five issues each of which is morally more important than issues like so-called “social justice” issues. True shepherds will care for the souls of their flock, guide them away from the Party of Death, and say, in plain unequivocal language, a good Catholic cannot vote for Obama or for anyone else who promotes intrinsic evil.

Guy McClung   PO Box 2553 Rockport TX 78381

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