“thrown at one of the vigil participants”—That something was thrown near a participant does not necessitate that it was thrown “at” her.

“the victim… Apparently the victim was unhurt.”—An unhurt victim is always a novelty.

Incendiary language is not a substitute for real evidence.

@ CJ: Grade A trolling. Nice try.

@Steven, repent or perish.

I love multiple choice! I choose repent!

@ Stephen…I love multiple choice too!

A. Repent
B. Perish
C. Puppies
D. Chocolate Cake

So - apparently it is not enough that someone “may” have been the target, it only matters if they get hurt?  ...apparrently that is not even news, if you consider what was going on just inside the doors of the facility. 

Steven - honestly - what do you expect from a society that not only sees no wrong with the killing of innocent children, but in all reality appears to be trying its best to find ways to fund the killing of them with your (and my) tax dollars?

@CJ is correct - the wording is poor (should have been “intended victim”).  That does not dismiss the potential harm - because I guess in order to properly do that you need to be MSM and the indifferent Kalispell Police (and the “intended victim” needs to be someone protesting not for their own selfish interests, but on behalf of the most innocent and helpless life on earth)...

I don’t believe the victim is the point.  Someone tried to make a bomb, homemade incendiary device, and threw it at a protest group.  The point is that they took the thought and time to try to scare or hurt the protest group.  We are not supposed to make bombs, use bombs, or scare protest groups in this country.  Duhhhhhhhhhh

Picketing in front of the place where people are making the most difficult people will ever make is not loving.  I have never met a person that had a “recreational abortion” or took the decission lightly. 

If you stick your nose in my wifes Uterus, you might get it punched.

Life begins when you mind your own business.

I’m glad the Assailant didn’t use the Dr. Tiller solution btw.

@Rover Is one more example of a selfish barbarian who believes in killing our future - our children- the most vulnerable innocents all out of pure selfishness. Let’s pray for he and his wife’s soul, for their countenance of another holocaust being committed in our country is against the moral law, God’s law.

@Rover Seton, the fact that a decision is “difficult” does not make it right. The fact is that there are human beings who are being killed, often either simply for convenience or because they were coerced into it. Reminding people of this fact and hopefully preventing thhe death of more children most certainly is a loving act. It is simply a lack of human decency that no one cares when a bomb was thrown in the vicinity of peaceful protestors.

@Rover, It isn’t our decision to make.  That’s the problem.  The people are lead to believe they have a decision to make.  God already made it.  He put the life in the womb.  Our choice is to accept His will or reject it.  No one who loves another will force or coerce or urge someone to reject God’s will.  The protesters are there to remind people that this is NOT a choice. It’s a LIFE.  They do an act of charity and hopefully dissuade some from falling into this error! No one is going into anyone’s uterus.  They are appealing to their SOUL.

To all who are uninformed about 40 Days For Life: there is no “protesting” going on during these events.  It is, instead, a peaceful, prayerful vigil conducted by members of the community who pray and fast to end abortion.  I wonder if the “intended victim” were a potential PP client or a PP worker how the response by the police and media coverage would have been different.—My point is, *who* the intended victim is shouldn’t matter ... but it all too often does matter.

@Rover: your wife’s uterus (and any other woman’s uterus for that matter) is her own business until it begins to house a new person—at which point, she (and the child’s father) has become responsible for the new life within her.  Ignorance of the facts don’t change the facts.  Once conception occurs, there are TWO lives involved, not just one.  Get informed: learn about genetics, learn about embryology and fetal development—there is no denying what science so clearly demonstrates.

Teresa, Intersting you know me to be a “selfish barbarian”.  I support shared pregnancy in my town.  Barbarian, perhaps, selfish, I don’t think so.  I would be willing to bet I donate more money to Pro life causes than the majority of those “armchair pro lifers”.

But, I am without embarrasment, pro choice. I have never met a person that was pro abortion.  I have met many people though that want to punish those that have sex, esspecially the women. 

We should use the biblical solution and stone the women that have obviously had sex.  That is why I am not a Christian.  Bad solutions to human problems. 

Rover.

A fire bomb seems such a little thing, right? Gee, wasn’t Jesus tortured and killed for a stand against the way certain groups were leading their lives, too?  And, I think those chief priests and Pharisees probably could at least attempt to defend their act of murdering Our Lord by claiming how difficult a decision it actually. Take heart; Jesus warned us of all this and His is the ultimate Victory, and in Him, our’s also.

What on earth is “shared pregnancy?”  I’m pro choice too.  No woman should be forced to have sex.  Once the woman chooses to have sex, the consequences become her responsibility.  If the man she chooses to have sex with is not the man she intends to raise a family with, she should have thought of that first.  Sex does have consequences.  Good luck “aborting” herpes or AIDS.  Grow up!  Be human, not simply an animal.  Use your brains.

40 Days for Life is a peaceful presence of Christians praying for an end to abortion here in Kalispell. The lady who was attacked is a strong elderly Christian woman and stated “I will not allow this to discourage me from praying on-site in the future.” She currently works full time to cover the rising costs of taxes and health care at the age of 77 and plans to increase her vigil shifts.  She is also teaching Sunday school and is currently in her 26th year of sharing God’s word.  She was never blessed with giving birth to children of her own but loves children and is surrounded by her loving Christian family. We are strengthened locally by her strong witness to Jesus Christ and the many men and women that pray multiple hours in the cold during our 24 hour prayer vigil.  We will not be deterred by this attack, and will persevere in our exercise of prayer, free speech, and offers of assistance to those harmed by abortion.

May God bless our community…and may God bless our Nation.

Sam,

Shared pregnancy is a Pro Life organization here in Lansing.  I assumed it was a national qroup the all pro life people would know. They collect clothes and items to support poor women that decide to keep the baby. Sorry for the confusion.

You being “pro choice too” is an intersting snark.  What about those that don’t choose to have sex, rape, incest, drugging.  Although a minority action I grant you, you force women to live to your “choice”.  Also, Men have no resposibility in your scenario.  Typical, Eve is always the bad person.  It’s always her fault.  That is why women are not equal, always less.

Rover stoning was a Jewish law not a Christian law and it was Jesus Christ who saved the adulterous from being stoned by pointing out that those that wanted to doing the stoning were as guilty of sinning against God as she was. Second I know people who claim to be pro-choice yet will put down a women for the choice of speaking out against abortion so to me that is being pro-abortion. I know of women who have had multiple abortions that is pretty pro-abortion to me. Is the decision always easy- no way and many times it is not the woman’s choice but one being made for her by her parents, the father of the baby, or even society, that is not being pro-choice. Do you support the woman’s choice to drink, smoke, use drugs, even if she is 13 years old? Probably not because because they are harmful yet it is her body and her choice is it not?

Thanks to all for the thoughtfull comments. 

Tarbal, not to put too fine a point on it but stoning is in your bible.  Jesus was jewish and a non observant one at that (not fasting, working on the sabath).

Glad no one was hurt with the fire, but your side has murdered, bombed and shot abortion providers so it is no wonder we consider it a form of terrorism. We fear you because you have given us cause.  We are the victoms of your “second amendment remedies” the tea party talks about.

Be well.

Rover, in abortion the men are not held responible the life they created either and the women is still made to suffer with the decision she has to make or the decision that has been made for her by him. There are rare occasions where the father wants to be responible and raise and support the child with the mother or by himself and the woman still has the abortion where are his rights in all of this? Where are his rights to have a voice in the matter?

Steve: you’ve performed a valuable service form a journalistic point of view by describing this event in factual/descriptive terms. However, the somewhat mocking tone -intended or not is seems clear to me-avoids the bigger issue and questions. When one is noramlly engaged in any activity on a public sidewalk, the number of similar incidents is extremely small and one might wonder why they even occur? The question then becomes who threw the device? What was their intention? Why aren’t peaceful prayer/demonstrators not afforded the protection of police rather than be given a litle lecture re. their activities? Could this activity escalate in that another person might think that this action was ineffectual and so maybe something which would cause a “bigger bang” will be thrown later? what’s the difference between someone bringing the elderly lady a cup of coffee for example as opposed to the mild explosive device? I picketed a Canadian abortuary and the owner sent out a group of people who marched along the same sidewalk in the opposite direction carrying very large, opened umbrellas and they came close to poking me in the face. It was a very sunny day and I normally don’t think of umbrellas as being weapons, nor was I afraid and didn’t call the police but I wouldn’t dismiss this as a coincidence along your line of reasonning ie.e these people probably just had fair skin and were coincidentally out walking at the same time I was picketing.Later a man did appear on the fireescape waving a pistol ( a rarity in Canada) and the police were called but by then he had disappeared. The police did not lecture me at that time but our courts did subsequently pass a “bubble-zone” restriction.

This is typical pro"Choice” (liberal/socialist) hypocrisy! I think 99.9% of those working in pro-life are NOT violent, vulgar or intimidating. (Anyone who has prayed outside an abortion clinic knows first-hand how vile they really are) But that’s how the liberal media portrays us; where as pro-abortion people are portrayed as kind, loving and looking out for women’s “reproductive rights” (forget about the child’s rights)! Law enforcement doesn’t hesitate to arrest pro-lifers and the media salivates to report on any infraction (real or not). Now in this case, a pro-abortionist throws an explosive device at an elderly pro-life woman which could have harmed her…......ISN’T THIS A TERRORIST ACT??  Of course not….not according to Obama, Janet Napolitano and their terrorist lists! Read below and check out the links:

“Washington, D.C. (02 July 2009) – Pro-abortion violence is on the rise in recent weeks, according to a new video report from American Life League.

On June 24, 40-year-old Matthew Haver tried to run over a pro-life protester with his SUV. On July 1, a man pulled a gun on a pro-life woman in Arizona.

These are just two of 8,519 documented acts of violence perpetrated against pro-life advocates.”

http://www.all.org/article/index/id/ODU5

I particularly like this one from the local station’s site: “Organizers say the campaign is supposed to be a peaceful one, but….”

http://www.kaj18.com/news/incendiary-device-thrown-at-kalispell-vigil-participants/
Yeah, they SAY they are being peaceful, but they viciously provoked someone into attacking them. Talk about blaming the victim!

Rover, why should it be such a “difficult decision” if it is only “terminating potential life”, as the abortion lobby keeps saying?

Rover, Since you say you aren’t Christian, that’s perhaps why you didn’t respond to my comment. There is another blog on NCR by Pat Archbold about two letters written during the civil war (I think) bemoaning the lack of literacy in our world today.  But if you read those excerpts I think what you will find is missing in our world is not literacy but faith.  Those writers knew God was God and they were not.  They saw that everything they had was a gift.  If their child was raped I’m sure she would have carried that child to term and if she did not give it to someone else to raise, she would have loved that child and hated the memory of the rape and at some point she would be filled with wonder that God could bring such beauty and wonder into her life from such an ugly event.  Bad things happen but we should never play God. Pro-choice is a term coined by people who want to do wrong and don’t want to take responsibility for the wrong they do.  Are you really Pro-choice?  Or do you want people to accept responsibility for the duties they have in life?  How much better if society worked to support and strengthen victims of rape and incest (who make up a NEGLIGIBLE amount of todays abortions) rather than compounding the problem by having them kill the life within them!

I have had a similar reaction to an angry neighbor trying to kill myself and my family by loosening the lug nuts on my car which I was blessed enough to catch on tape.  Needless to say it had not been the only time our vehicle had been abused by this man.  The police reaction was basically “no one’s dead?”  Their report of the evening simply said “information only.”  They never followed up and the incident eventually was dropped from court- they simply did not know how to handle an attempted murder by loosening of one’s lug nuts.

Something is dreadfully wrong the police in this country as well as the government.  I am very thankful that this kind lady was out expressing her opinion.  I could not even imagine having a cop tell me “well you deserve someone throwing an explosive device at/near you” and I have been a participant at many protests.  No where in the Constitution does it say someone has the right to put your life in danger for expressing your first amendment rights- perhaps the cops perspective is that the individual throwing the bomb was ALSO exercising his right to free speech…

I hope they win this battle.  Please keep us informed!  This is vital to know for everyone who ever involved in protesting a perceived injustice.

I actively working to reform my city and country through: www.wearechangeatlanta.com

Well, somebody’s gotta say it and it might as well be me ...

(D) chocolate cake

Pam,

Sorry I didn’t reply to your comment.  I don’t really know where to begin. You don’t ask a specific question but you use alot of terms that make no sense to an Atheist. You write “It isn’t our decision to make.  That’s the problem.  The people are lead to believe they have a decision to make.  God already made it.  He put the life in the womb.  Our choice is to accept His will or reject it.”  I contend it IS our right to make decisions.  Since there is no evidence of any God (IMO), there is no will of gods to reject or accept.  In reguard to a Soul,  It can’t be sensed in any way, proven to exist, or have a consistent explanation what it is, so I can’t discuss anything about it. 

I did not mean to slight you,
Rover.

I read through all the comments, trying to keep an open mind.  I searched the Minnesota newspapers the day I heard of this bombing and I found nothing.  So much for reporting the news.  Where is the outcry of police selecting who they will and will not help.  I think my tax dollars go to a public police force, not a private one.  Private police can be selective, not public.

One man mentioned we prolifers killed a doctor, no we did not.  A murderer shot Dr. Tiller, and murderer’s killed the other doctors.  Arsonists blew up or set fire to clinics, not prolifers, stalkers follow abortion doctors and staff around, not prolifers. 

Prolife is what it says, we respect all life. My point is, wrong is wrong, to throw a bomb, to kill a life, to kill an abortion doctor or nurse, to bomb an abortion clinic, all of this is wrong. The law must not take sides.

Rover, Never felt slighted.  Just a heads up, God is knowable through nature and through the lives and witnesses of many saints. Sorry you have not opened your heart to Him yet.  As for the soul perhaps you would believe the results of an exorcism?  So you only believe what you actually see?  That my friend is quite a poverty. I will pray for you.

Bridget, What you experienced is Obama’s idea of living in peace.  The liberal agenda pushes their ideas down our throat and we take it with no recourse.  How do you like it?  Hope you vote!

Steven -folks like you can’t STAND evidence - like 4D ultrasounds of babies cavorting in the womb.  Why should the evidence of an incendiary device (there WAS a picture, and it’s existence was never challenged) stand in your way?
Pro-aborts suffer from factophobia, in a big way.

@Rover, I have to take issue with your idea that “it IS our right to make decisions” when it comes to taking someone’s life. In a society it has ALWAYS been the right of the STATE and not the Individual to declare a death sentence.  Luckily, in our country that comes with ‘due process’ meaning that the accused should have the chance to stand trial, before a jury of his peers. 

So, you state that we have the right to make decisions but then you complain that: “your side has murdered, bombed and shot abortion providers so it is no wonder we consider it a form of terrorism.” As others have stated, that was not OUR ‘side’. But the important point is that those criminals were apprehended, stood trial and were sentenced according to our Laws.

You are proposing that a woman, and further, a woman who is undergoing changes; physical, mental, emotional and hormonal and quite possibly intimidation and coercion, that somehow, this gives her the clarity and insight to be judge and jury for our society.

I think it is up to society to decide. Most of us believe that children are a good and necessary part of our Society. Others seem to support societal suicide for the sake of their personal convenience.

We do not choose to punish women for having sex, We choose to Protect their Children.

Thanks Pam, No need to pray for me, but please, pet a puppy for me.  Some real good will come from that and both you and the puppy will enjoy it.

Oh btw, I do vote, and my wife votes and my sons vote and I give alot of money to Democrats and Moveon.org.  If funding stops for Planned parenthood, I will also give to them directly.  PP does 4 million breast cancer screenings/year, 2.4 million contraceptive prescriptions, STD screenings and thousands of adoptions.  There are no Catholic alternatives for these services, with the exception of adoptions minus the Gay equality states and DC.

Best wishes, I will not be returning to this particular subject.  I have said too much already.  I don’t want to be a troll (more than I have been).

Hope your springtimes are beautiful all!
Rover.

@Rover, I’m impressed that you say that there is no evidence of any God or soul or anything. Is it that there is no evidence or is it that you choose not to accept any of the evidence? Perhaps you just refuse to listen to the experts that have left use many examples and teachings.
I wonder, do you believe in nuclear radiation? After all, they ‘prove’ it with a bunch of mumbo jumbo and numbers. And when reality does not match what they thought, they just make up stuff to explain it, like muons, fermions, vector bosons, mesons, positronium, quarks, weak force, leptons, righthanded and lefthanded, blab, blab, blab.

You can ignore God and you can ignore radiation, but in the end, both are going to catch up to you.

Hi JohnY,

I am open to any evidence of God or Soul, please give me something other than Sunsets and the beauty of Flowers.  Please link the “experts” and I don’t mean Ken Hamm or Ray Comfort.

I can prove radiation.  I can prove air. You list alot of particals but you don’t seem to belive in them. 

As Bertrand Russel said when asked what he would say to God….“Not enough evidence God, not enough evidence”.  God has worked very hard to be indistinguishable from not existing. 

I’ll check back for your reply but, as I said, I’m out from here. (I didn’t see your reply till I posted my fairwell).

Thanks for your consideration,
Rover.

@Rover

“I would be willing to bet I donate more money to Pro life causes than the majority of those “armchair pro lifers”.”

I hate to break this to you but when a person believes in the “choice” to end the life of an innocent human being but gives money to “pro-life” causes that only makes you a hypocrite who supports the murder of innocents. You can give money to try and assuage that conscience of yours but it is the people who believe that every life, both unborn and born is precious and deserves the right to live who are true pro-lifers, not you. You are pathetic and worse than an armchair pro lifer. Your believing that women have the right to “choice” to commit murder does make you a supporter of barbaric acts, and thus a barbarian. Denial (the Nile) is a river in Egypt but it doesn’t change reality, that you support the killing of innocents out of pure selfishness and greed.

I am not surprised by the police reaction on this one.  My friend, along with her 6 month old son, and my pregnant self were participating in 40 Days for Life last week and someone shot off a round behind us, sounded like a handgun of some sort.  We called the police immediately and they treated it like it was nothing. We knew that the person who did it was just trying to scare us. The police did show up and walked around a bit, but didn’t even come talk to us to get a report.  To all who are participating in 40 Days for Life, be vigilant and pray even more.  We are obviously infuriating Satan!

@Rover, There are many who would be willing to give you their personal witness of the existence of God.  I was raised by a mother who knew God well and taught us the faith and I saw His action in my life as a child, but when I went out into the working world and was not surrounded by that faith I came to believe maybe I was just naive and I walked away for about fifteen years.  Sundays were now a day off. Premarital sex was no longer off limits. Life was about enjoying the day and feeling good. But before I walked away, I had had a conversation with God.  I told Him I didn’t understand why He made it so hard to KNOW.  I told Him I wanted to be married and no one was going to marry anyone they didn’t sleep with first. So maybe He held on without me knowing it, because when I did get married and walk into a Church, I began to remember what I left. And when I had a child I wanted him to understand his mom and dad and where they were coming from so I asked my husband if we could baptise him and raise him Catholic and he agreed.  And when we had to recite the prayers of the baptism I heard things that made me think about what I had known. And then my sister got sick and I was asked by my mother to pray for her and asked to say the rosary.  Well as I prayed the rosary true miracles began to happen in my life.  God answered prayers. Conversions happened, the loaves and the fishes happened, questions of faith were answered the same day I asked in many extraordinary ways. It was impossible to deny God was acting in my life. There was no coincidence, it was a life of incidents and involvement and care. I sat on the edge of my bed and apologized for all the time I had been away and all the sin I had committed and He gave me grace and He still does. He waited a long time to show Himself to me and I believe it was because so many people were praying for conversions throughout the Church.  He will make himself known to you when you are ready.

The abortion question does not turn on the question of the soul or even (prescinding for the moment from the larger question of moral foundations) of God. There is a reason there are pro-life atheists such as Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice. It is not necessary to believe in God or the soul to be against killing defenseless, guiltless human beings, and abortion is unquestionably killing a defenseless, guiltless human being.

40 Days for Life is not picketing, it is praying and offering a witness and support.  There have indeed been shameful displays of harassment with screaming and insults and other un-Christian behavior at abortion clinics; 40 Days for Life is not among them.  If Rover and Steven are as pro-life as they claim, how about dropping all the judgments and supporting a peaceful pro-life movement that has definitely saved lives all across the nation?

Brainfart, don’t know why I wrote Steven, he’s the author of this article haha

@Rover   They have not ‘proved’ radiation, they just observe the result of radiation and try to explain what they see. We are quite willing to accept the current theories but, we can’t see, touch, feel or sense it. With what we know of radiation, it makes really good sense to pay attention and accept the knowledge we do have about it.

Some want to ‘test’ God like we do radiation. They want to treat Him like an inanimate object to be tested like radiation. Ok God, we put a fish in the aquarium, now we’re going to catch it and see if there’s money in its mouth to pay our taxes. Nope, so obviously; You don’t exist.
God is Love, and we need to have a relationship with Him. Think of a marriage. There’s a house with another person in it, it’s full of furniture and you sleep there. While you’re gone food gets put on the table and the cleaning gets done. The other person does this out of love. You may choose to deny the existence of and totally ignore the presence of the other person, but they are present and you have to build a relationship with them if you want to know them.

In 1917 over 70,000 people saw the sun ‘dance’ in the sky at Fatima in Spain. Now we all know, that was just a mass hallucination.  The 2009 Super Bowl being another case in point. New Orleans threw a big party because they thought some unlikely team named the Saints won! Of course we all know that the Dallas Cowboys really won that game. Unfortunately, my bookie is one of the ones believing the hallucination and refuses to pay off my bet…  So, if we choose to ignore reality, what evidence could we present that would satisfy us?
As for any ‘links for experts’ would it do any good? If I read a text book on radiation and decide it a recipe for strawberry short cake, what good will it be?
You seem to know a little about the bible. You refer to Jesus ‘not fasting, working on the Sabbath’ yet you don’t mention the repeated number of times it is said that Jesus and the Apostles went to the temple. In fact the you refer to a false charge brought against Jesus by His enemies and completely ignore Jesus’ explanation of the Truth of the matter.

But, just in case you’re really interested, you should try ‘Confessions of St. Augustine’. He was born in 354 so I’m not sure he posted on the internet, but google him… you never know.  In it he speaks as to why he would steal pears and not particularly good pears at that. (his thought on ‘time’ and how God relates to it, really is light years ahead of anything I’ve read in today’s science fiction)  God Bless, J

@Rover   I must say your response to Pam about the lack of Catholic alternatives for planned parenthood is just plain ignorant.  About 25% of the hospitals in this country are Catholic where they deal not only with the screenings but also the treating of breast cancer. The Catholic Church was also the FIRST to provide care and treatment to people with AIDS and is still the largest provider of AIDS care today.  We are the ones following up with parents hurt by abortion, not just for a few days or weeks but for 5 and 10 years afterwards. This gives us credibility when we speak about the horrors of abortion. But let’s be clear here, we do not come empty-handed, we want people to know there is healing for those who will accept it.
Those 2.4 million contraceptive prescriptions that PP gives out each year is for a Class One Carcinogen with studies showing it may be a chief cause of Breast Cancer!
While PP claims to be effective in preventing STDs and Births, they make well over HALF their INCOME from treatments of STDs and preforming ABORTIONS. So we pay them to prevent problems and then pay them even more when they fail!!  Anywhere else on the face of this earth that would be considered a huge Conflict of Interest.

I too apologize for taking this so far off subject, after all, we were supposed to be discussing how it is ok to throw fire bombs at little old ladies while they’re praying because it ‘scares’ us.  And people claim that they do not believe in God…  bye now   J

Pam,

Thanks for the testimony. Well said. I hope your faith remains strong.

JohnY,

Nothing to say by me, you don’t want dialog, you said nothing except how superior you were to me.  You win.

Teresa,

Your comments are the reason I left my church family.  I loved the people, but needed truth.  I still maintain the church, paint it, fix broken things (that is why I am still a trustee) but I can’t take communion anymore (self determinied) because I am not in communion with the church nor go to services unless I’m needed as a musician and/or singer.

Goodbye all,
Rover.

@ JohnY
You make me smile and my 8th blessing residing in my womb is smiling too! Have a blessed lent!

@Rover COL (Chuckling out Loud)  So I guess this means you’re not going to read the book…
Well, if you ever want to read something more the flowers and sunshine I still recommend it, sorry you did not like the delivery.
I think this is the first time that I’ve written over 10 paragraphs on a blog and been told I did not want to dialog. I’m not sure where you’re picking up on my ‘superior complex’ perhaps it was my comments about your response to Pam about ‘lack of Catholic alternatives’ that upset you.  To state that the Catholic Church only does adoptions was so far off base that it had to be a total ignorance of the Church or a bald face lie. Since you did not seem to be the bald face lying type, I assumed you were ignorant (lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified) of the Catholic Church’s works in this area.
Oh Well,  good night Gracy…
(and you to Jamie and 8th, congrats)

I’m pro-abortion, not pro-choice,...7 Billion people on this planet…I’d rather have my tax dollars go to a one hour abortion than 18 years of life that our planet cannot afford. Sorry folks, but God isn’t coming down to renew our resources and give us a brand new ozone layer. We don’t deserve it. People who populate the planet without thinking about the consequences do not deserve any “second chances”. When you give birth to a child whome you cannot afford, take care of or put through school then you are acting selfishly. But we’ll keep on with the same old song and dance…“every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm is waisted, God get’s quite irate”. You want a solution: WRAP YOUR WILLY!

@ Brit: Are you also in favor of killing all children whose parents can’t afford to take care of or put through school? Or is there some magical point at which you suddenly become squeamish about killing innocent human beings? Otherwise, I guess the only problem with the firebombing from your point of view is that no one was killed ...

Brit, Can I assume you believe in God, then?  Because that is the starting point.  “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.”  He forms us.  We don’t belong to us. We belong to Him.  The child isn’t ours to kill.  You know of Jesus multiplying the loaves and the fishes?  He still does it. Don’t limit Him.  And we don’t deserve anything.  St. Louis Marie De Montfort thought if we were realistic about who we are before God we would call ourselves all kinds of lowly things: worms, maggots, slimy creepy crawly things.  And yet God loves us. He looks at us like a parent looks at a two year old, we know we are nasty, but He sees how little we are. If you have had an abortion there is a program called project Rachel in many Catholic Churches that helps with healing. No mother feels ok with killing her own child. God bless.

The first commenter chastises Steven for “incendiary language” and then follows up with a death threat? Wow. Just… Wow.
   
Speaking of trolls: “...your side has murdered, bombed and shot abortion providers.” Well I bet that was the hardest decision of their lives, so who are you to judge? Never mind the utter bigotry of ascribing to ALL pro-lifers the actions of a few—especially when such use of violence is repeatedly and vocally CONDEMNED by pro-lifers.
   
@Kephas: Brainfarts happen. ;)

@Brit: Enough with the straw men, already. While there’s definitely a prohibition against contraception (wasting the seed, in one Biblical account—they didn’t exactly have the Pill in Old Testament times), we don’t ascribe personhood to every single sperm cell. That may be the same old song and dance, but it’s not OUR song and dance. How many times must we say it? Life begins at conception.
   
I also notice how you try to change the subject to overpopulation. This simply does not work. If overpopulation is the only reason that abortion is permissible, then it should excuse any number of things—including, as Steven said, the killing of already-born children. Or adults for that matter. If it is NOT what makes abortion permissible, then why muddy the waters by bringing it up?