Are you suggesting Paul Ryan lies!?!?! He is a good Catholic (who puts his faith after his party) and to disparage him in any way means that you are helping Obama win!! (even though you said you desperately want him gone)  I am offended, demand a refund, and will pray for your conversion.
And no one else can be offended because I called it first. And if anyone says they’re more offended, in that case, I will be most offended.

Thinking of Michelle Obama double dipping in the chip bowl made me literally laugh out loud at my desk. Don’t even think about taking away those chips…she will block you with her guns

When I was in Britain, I was taught that milk-in-first was the only way to go…I follow that habit today…and I don’t care if the whole world knows about it. So there.

Simcha…supposedly Trumps move is to see what obama listed on his entrance form for college, because its being said that he put on that he was a “FOREIGN STUDENT”...and by obama listing that on his entrance form he’d be an illegal president….

I don’t know if the Mourdock thing will give the Dems much traction, since what he said was basically “Rape is bad and sin’s doing, but the baby is good and a gift from God.”  I mean, in pro-life circles that’s a no-brainer.  Meanwhile, Donnelly is basically pro-life like Biden is pro-life, and his office staff screams at you when you call to mention that maybe supporting legislation that will lead most of the hospitals in his district to shut down is a bad idea. Seriously. They could just take ‘down my name and number and say ‘thank you ma’am, we’ll let the congressman know” but instead they scream about how Joe Donnelly is an excellent Catholic and realizes that ‘preferential option for the poor is more important than abortion’ and call the caller a moron. Hypothetically.

(needless to say, Mourdock has my vote and I hope Donnelly undergoes a ‘St. Paul’ moment and gets right with God and the church…...)

Yeah, Mourdock’s remarks were clear in context, and he later clarified than he did NOT mean that rape was a gift from God. It was the stupid lamestream media at work again.

Posted by JoAnna on Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 9:32 AM (EST):Yeah, Mourdock’s remarks were clear in context, and he later clarified than he did NOT mean that rape was a gift from God. It was the stupid lamestream media at work again.”
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Yes, & the liberal media purposely misconstrued his remarks.They knew exactly what they were doing.

Posted by rwaligora on Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 9:03 AM (EST):Simcha…supposedly Trumps move is to see what obama listed on his entrance form for college, because its being said that he put on that he was a “FOREIGN STUDENT”...and by obama listing that on his entrance form he’d be an illegal president….”
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Or committing fraud.Sometimes foreign students get special consideration for admission.

Lalalalalalalalalalalala…love it, Simcha!
And Happy 15th Anniversary!

I’m sure the whole Trump college admission thing has to do with Obama identifying himself as foreign.  My guess is he listed himself as a foreign national and had a TIN number instead of a Social Security number.  Obviously the Democrats and their minions in the media don’t care and the odds of Obama or anyone else having 30 year old admissions records are slim and none.  The transcripts probably do show a TIN number, and his colleges may actually have them but as I said, nobody on the left cares.
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If Pennsylvania were not as close as it is this time - and it’s much closer than is being reported - I’d be going third party.  If the Commonwealth’s electoral votes were a lock either way, then I’d prefer to send a message.    As it is, I know several lifelong Democrat voters - both Black and Jewish - who are either staying home or voting Romney.  Wow!  I live just over the Philly line in the burbs.  In 2008, you couldn’t drive through predominantly Black neighborhoods without seeing Obama’s mug in the windows, on all the cars, and on many of the lawns.  You could hear the roar of Obama, Obama, Obama in the air.    This time, he’s barely visible and all you hear are crickets.    A nasty rainstorm in Philly on November 6th and PA’s votes will belong to Romney.

Morally neutral to vote third party? Wow. What a way to support our broken two-party-vote-for-the-lesser-of-two-evils system.

Why don’t you tell us how you really feel?

I’m not so sure that a Catholic can morally vote for Romney.  The lesser of two evils assumes only two choices, and there are more.  The Constitution Party candidate has the moral issues correct.  You, Simcha, are voting out of fear of Obama rather than evaluating the moral positions of the candidates.  You may not do evil that good may come of it.  Voting for a morally objectionable candidate to stop another when a morally acceptable candidate is available is resorting to pragmatism. 
You’re just as confused in your thinking as the “social justice” Catholics are when voting for Obama.

And in the long-term you prevent any morally acceptable candidates from ever being likely to win, because you keep endorsing the ever worsing Republican candidates.  You’re a slave to fear.

Cassandra - you don’t need to make up a fake “party” to say you don’t like Romney. I’m voting Magna Carta Party because I can’t stand the modernism of the Declaration of Independece Party.

I live in NJ so it doesn’t matter who I vote for, the state will go for Obama. I may stay home, but if there are important local elections, I will probably go and just vote for those. Too depressing.

Well I out-lala’d all of you.  I haven’t switched the news on, didn’t click on the “rape is God blessing women” story, and know enough about Gloria Allred (yes, almost as appropriate as Sandra Fluk)to know to NEVER, EVER allow her image to bounce into my living room.  I also don’t need politics to know that I have a pulse; that’s what teenagers and three-year-olds, in the Halloween store are for, or finding out that your college student just attended a free rap concert in Berkeley with two strangers she bumped into in a hallway named “Ferraz and Nutrina,” or finding out that your eighth grader’s new best friend is an only child whose Mom is in jail on drug charges.  Obama? Obama who?  Did you say Obamanation?

Romney supports the option to murder a certain class of innocent Americans. I will never vote for someone who supports such an option. It does not matter to me if the support for an option to murder targets unborn children, Catholic priests, old people or any other designated class of persons. Murder is murder and how can I vote for someone who supports it? No the lesser of evils argument falls flat. What will the next election bring if we start down this slippery slope? More accomodation to the pragmatism trump card?

But if I lived in a swing state I would never be so much of a purist goody goody to think that Obama and Romney are the same, and do nothing to stop the most pro abortion president in U.S. history.

Yes, these are all Teabag Party ideas. Why am I not surprised?

It’s not a sin to vote for Romney as long as you are doing it IN SPITE OF his pro-life-with-exceptions position, in order to limit the evil that Obama assuredly WILL do if elected: http://www.littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2012/10/catholics-why-it-is-not-sin-to-vote-for.html
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As Priests for Life says:
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One of the two of them will be elected; there is no question about that. So you are not free right now, in this race, to really choose the candidate you want. Forces beyond your control have already limited your choices. Whichever way the election goes, the one elected will not have the position we want elected officials to have on abortion.

But by your vote, you can keep the worse person out. And trying to do that is not only legitimate, but good. Some may think it’s not the best strategy. But if your question is whether it is morally permissible to vote for the better of two bad candidates, the answer—in the case described above—is yes.

Loved this! Thanks for giving me some laughs during nap time :)

If I remember my high school German, the more correct phrase would be “nicht wahr?”  Not to get all technical or anything. . .

@True Dem, “teabag” was funny two months ago.

The British taught me to do it, milk-in-first, and my husband taught me what to call it: “pre-lactate.”  You woudn’t catch me post-lactating ever.  And now back to your regular programming…

I rooted for Ron Paul.  I still think he was the best candidate.  This blog post has actually inspired me to consider voting for the third party candidate, whoever the Constitution Party is throwing up there.  The reps and dems just take turns.

I agree completely that Obama needs to go for the good of the US and world economy, morality and the preservation of life, both of unborn and the vulnerable who are sick or in later years.

If you need another reason, what about, Obama knew the truth about Benghazi 2hrs after it happened and he LIED?  That would in any decent democracy be enough to sink him to the political “has-been-that-never-really-were” underworld.  He had Rice go out and lie, he had Hillary lie, and he lied.  If that information got to his office in two hours, he could always say he wasn’t told; in that case heads should be rolling…they are not.  Beside, as the big 0 himself said, the ultimate responsibility is his.  Remember that on voting day.

multiple people have mentioned the “Constitution Party,” but in Texas I only have Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Green.  I doubt a vote for any candidate that can’t make the ballot in my state has any chance to change the conversation.

I wish Catholic Blogs were able to stay above the fray.  This sounds more like an MSNBC or FoxNews Blog more and more.  Indeed, it is a shame that we are left facing a choice of the least of two evils but what I don’t understand is why the debate doesn’t focus on the faith of these two men.  First we must decide and agree to take race and racial prejudice out of the equation.  Now that that is settled we need to agree that Obama is not a Muslim (he is a Christian).  Now let’s focus on the fact that Romney is a Priest of the Mormon Faith (all males in “Good Standing” are Priests or Prophets in the LDS Religion).  Mormons believe that Jesus was/is just a Man who happens to have achieved God status on Planet Earth.  All Mormon males will eventually become Gods of their own planet/Universe where they will have a population of people that will worship them.  These are facts folks.  I am very afraid that someone with a God complex may be elected to the highest office of the land.  Could this man be the anti-Christ?  Satan is the Father of Lies and all I’ve seen is Romney lie, lie, lie…change his position on everything to appease the audience he happens to be talking to at the moment.  God please help us.

but what I don’t understand is why the debate doesn’t focus on the faith of these two men.
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Maybe because we’re electing a president, and not a Pope or theologian-in-chief?

JoAnna, you are quite correct.  My Bad!  But I was focusing my comments to a specific group of people; those that partake and share opinions on “Catholic Blogs”.  Sorry for the confusion. PAX

@DavidD - Oh good grief!  What do you mean - take race and racial prejudice out of the equation?  Why’d you put it in there in the first place?  Nobody else here did.
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And if you’re referring to me mentioning Black neighborhoods, let me just tell you a little about myself.  I am the adoptive mother of racially diverse children so sometimes I tend to be overly blunt about race and I forget that vast parts of polite society are not.    I am sorry that I came across as racist instead of matter of fact, which was my intention.  It is a fact that 95% of Black people voted for Obama in the last election.  A very big part of me was glad to see a man of color rise to the presidency.  I am sorry it had to be pro-abort Obama.  This time around, the enthusiasm is not there.  Philadelphia and its surrounding burbs are what hands Pennsylvania to the Democrats every year.  That might not happen this time. 
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And that’s not to say African Americans in large numbers are going to vote for Romney.  By and large, they’re not.  But quite a few of them may stay home this time.  Last time, there was no way that was going to happen.

Here’s a November bombshell for all:  Romney wins the election but must resign in disgrace when his birth certificate reveals that he’s really from Kolob!

Yes, I suppose I will vote for Romney as well.  But I think I’ll be having a drink (or several) before I do so.

DavidD ,
We’re not voting for the parish council, it’s a political position.I’m allowed to vote for non-Catholics without being excommunicated.
Maybe your comments are in jest?

Obama doesn’t have his own god complex? He’s about as christian as romney. David d, do you even know any mormons? Have you even read their wackadoo book? You do know that when it comes down to it most Mormons don’t even know/acknowledge what their own religion teaches right? I don’t like mormonism, but I’m not voting for my fave religion. I am voting for some guy who will limit what obama has done and hopefully will make way for someone better.

I could care less about their religions- both views are repugnant. And seriously, obama a christian? Lolololol ok sure.

Evan, lighten up! She was throwing out improbable and in most cases, ludicrous story ideas. It’s sarcasm, not meant to be taken seriously.

Personally, I got a laugh out of it.

I’m not voting for Obama, so that is a vote for Romney, even though I’m not voting for him either.  I’m thinking of voting for Virgil Goode, who is the Constitution Party candidate.  We need to help these candidates who truly support our values have ballot access.  It is time to rid ourselves of the Democrats and the Republicrats.

whatever happens, i will blame george bush.

Posted by Catholic Psychdoc on Thursday, Oct 25, 2012 2:31 PM (EST):I’m not voting for Obama, so that is a vote for Romney, even though I’m not voting for him either.  I’m thinking of voting for Virgil Goode,”
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It’s a free country, but if you believe in his take on the issues,Mr Goode might do more practical good back in his former seat in Congress.

Best description of Gloria Allred that I have seen yet.

Simcha, it sounds like you are not so much voting for Romney as against Obama.  I can understand that, but I’m afraid Romney looks like nothing more than a watered-down Obama.  He has already aired ads about how, “Turns out Romney’s not against contraception at all!!!”  No surprise there, but his willingness to make that a part of his campaign does not bespeak a willingness to spend political capital defending the freedom of religion of those who ARE against contraception.  My guess is that a Romney administration would compromise by with the Democrats on “social issues” and keep the Republicans in line by going to war with Iran.

Please don’t say that it doesn’t matter who your vote is for if you’re in a state that votes predominately Rep or Dem. Every vote counts and I bet if more people voted that said theirs didn’t matter, we’d see a difference.

Eileen, I am the product of an inter-racial marriage so I admit I may be sensitive to racial attitudes from all sides, so please forgive my remark if you found it offensive.  Angela, I live in Utah. I have studied the LDS doctrine, solely for the purpose of being able to discuss its merit (or lack of) intelligently.  The Catholic Church (my church) does not believe that Mormon’s are Christian due to the fact that Mormons don’t believe in the Trinity as taught by our Catholic Catechism and Mormons believe they will be “God’s” one day!  Good Grief is right!  I just can’t vote for a guy that believes he will be a God one day.  I can’t vote for a guy that changes his mind on every issue, depending on who he is talking to. Romney is willing to say anything to be elected. (This link will take you to a Ron Paul endorsed video about Romney - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=EQwrB1vu74c ) I’ve prayed about it and can’t find it in my heart to TRUST this guy.  As volatile as the world is, I don’t think it’s safe to put Nuke’s in this guys hands.  I have grandchildren and would like for them to have a chance to grow-up.  The anti-Christ would love to see this world burn!  I don’t think we can afford to take a chance.  Google Jimmy Akin for articles on Mormons or go to CatholicAnswers.com for more info on the subject.  God Bless

AND I’m sick of voting for someone because I’m “not voting” for the other guy. This year I’m voting FOR a candidate who supports the issues I believe in. And it’s a third party. My vote has to be right for my soul and I can’t vote for the “lesser of two evils” because that’s still evil. Every life is sacred and I can’t vote for someone who isn’t pro-life and Romney is not pro-life.

Who gives a flip if Obama’s a Christian or not? It’s just a political talking point designed to make Americans, who tend to be religious, comfortable. Every political candidate does this to one degree or another. As for Romney, well, he’s an observant Mormon. Is that better than being a non-observant political “Christian”? I’d be inclined to think so, even though it is a wackadoo religion. Their records are hardly the same, they come from alternate universes, and yes, in Washingtonland, which is my hometown, the two party system is essentially flip sides of the same coin. Politicians (even third party ones) tend to be power hungry to one degree or another. They like being in charge of stuff and will do what they can to ensure that happens. That being said, one candidate this year is going to go all out actively attacking religious freedom and the life issues and seems to have a compulsive lying problem. The other isn’t. So, I hold my nose and vote for the guy with a chance to at least halt some of the insane programs of the last four years. Politics is a practical game.

But then, compared to a lot of Catholics I’m a wacked out liberal and then compared to some others I’m an uberconservative reactionary, so what do I know?

I’m going march down to the polls on election day, nose grasped firmly, and vote so hard for Romney that Bill Clinton will feel it.

I live in a swing state.
I’m not voting for Obama(duh!)
I’m also not voting for Romney.
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Don’t know whether that makes me “foolish” and likely to “coat (my) hair with Vaseline and make chicken noises at high noon.” (Thanks, Simcha)
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or a “purist goody goody” who thinks “that Obama and Romney are the same…” (Thanks, Anna Lisa)
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But I do know that along with y’all, I’m sick of the whole daggone thing and looking forward to more weighty posts, like: “How do truly-true Catholics celebrate Thanksgiving without being gluttons?”  “Which is the proper way to conduct the annual Thanksgiving relative fight?” and “Are plastic Christmas trees portals to Hell?” or “Which t.v. Christmas special is the most obnoxious?”

Maybe I should mention, though, that I live in a thoroughly red state for the first time in my voting life, so I don’t feel the pressure and crazy quite as much. And I second freddy’s comment above about a post on plastic Christmas trees. As for Thanksgiving, truly really real true Catholics (tm)shouldn’t celebrate it, since it was started by Puritans.

DavidD ,
I’m sorry, but your comments sound a great deal like the recent phone calls made to Catholics by Obama’s campaigners posing as a concerned Catholic group. They attempted to use religious bigotry as a wedge.
I find that disturbing.

In Germany Hitler supported legal option to murder a certain class of persons, He called it the “Final Solution.” Our candidates both support the legal option to murder a certain class of persons. It’s called an “option for abortion in the case of rape, incest or the life of the mother.”
Will anyone speak for these Holy Innocents who are being sacrificed on the altar of pragmatism?
Will anyone protest? Will anyone call out Romney/Ryan on this?
The silence has been deafening.
They now know we will give them our votes while they support an option to murder innocent babies, and advertise this option in the debates and television commercials.
God have mercy on us!

@Lydia
Uhmm, Thanksgiving was started by President Abraham Lincoln.  Thus, all Christian Americans should celebrate it.

Yes, God helps us, definetely….Well, I am voting for Romney hoping he becomes christian by the influence on Paul Ryan…Everything is possible with God!!!

I voted by mail and I always vote a straight Republican ticket.

Anne, you might like to have a look at this. It’s the homily of an ordinary parish priest:

http://prettyflycatholicguy.blogspot.com/2012/10/homily-for-28th-week-of-ordinary-time.html

It’s worth reading because it includes not only abortion (as the worst) but the other intrinsic evils as well. I understand your frustration that no current candidate is entirely pro-life. But the list of intrinsic evils makes the difference between Obama and Romney more clear.

“Uhmm, Thanksgiving was started by President Abraham Lincoln.  Thus, all Christian Americans should celebrate it.”  Uhmm, no.  Anyone should celebrate it who wants to, and only those people.  The name of Abraham Lincoln is NOT one to which every knee, or even every Christian American (which may be different from an American Christian) knee, must bow.

There seems to be two issues here. One is our two party system which usually funnels people (and candidates) to one side or the other. I certainly would rather have a (genuine) multiparty system where you could vote for a candidate more in line with one’s views.

However, the fact is we have the system we do and I have no idea how voting for some third party candidate who has no chance of winning is somehow going to help us get better Republican or Democratic candidates down the line.

For those not voting for Romney because he is not completely Pro-Life I would like to know what viable candidate could they have ever voted for in the past? George W. Bush? No. Ronald Reagan? No.

It is perfectly acceptable and not evil to vote for a candidate, not for their exceptions which allow abortion, but because the other candidate is far worse on the issue of abortion. The strategy is to ultimately have a Pro-Life nation. The tactics often involve electing people who can at least limit the damage the other guy would have done.

Awesome comment Freddy!! I’m sick of being called foolish or an idealist or a perfectionist just because I absolutely can’t stand Romney or Obama and won’t be voting for either of them. And I live in a swing state too. I’m also tired of being accused of being scrupulous or of thinking it’s “a sin” to vote for Romney. It is NOT a sin to vote for Romney, and just because I’m voting third party doesn’t mean I think it’s a sin to vote for Romney. It’s not even - gasp - a sin to vote for Obama!! I wish people would respect my conscience like I respect theirs.

You must understand that only Romney or Obama has a chance.  Voting for any other candidate is essentially a vote for Obama.  Do you really want four more years of that?  Do you really want the Planned Parenthood party to win?

I am a Catholic voting for Romney.  Please, please, do not give us four more years of Obama just to make a point for your alternative candidate—in the name of all that is holy and just. 

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning and ever shall be, world without end.  AMEN

@CatholicMinnesotan,

It was a joke. Haha!

SD: Thank you, very kind of you!
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Ann Featsent: “Voting for any other candidate is essentially a vote for Obama.”
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No, it’s not, and saying so is neither good logic nor good math. The funny thing is, Obama supporters are telling their friends who have become disenchanted with O that voting for, say, the Green Party is essentially voting for Romney!
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“Please, please, do not give us four more years of Obama….”  Wow, you make me feel so powerful!
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Seriously, though: trust in God, and to Him be the glory. AMEN

@DavidD - so are you going to vote for Obama?  The man who worships at a church where the pastor preaches about “God-d* America?”    And sure, Mormonism is weird and false, but this Catholic doesn’t find a man striving to become a God much weirder than Evangelical Christians interpreting the Bible themselves without benefit of Tradition or the Magisterium or Unitarians who are too smart to submit to any faith or FreeMasons who aren’t all that far off Mormonism.  And haven’t we had some of all of them?  Quite frankly, your fears smack of religious bigotry.  Lots of people in 1960 also felt justified not voting for JFK because he might take orders from the Pope.

Please distribute kits of shirts with your checklist of “wake-me-ups” along with sets of earplugs.  I’ll take a kit here, thanks.

“However, the fact is we have the system we do and I have no idea how voting for some third party candidate who has no chance of winning is somehow going to help us get better Republican or Democratic candidates down the line.”  To that I’ll have to repeat something I have said elsewhere: “People who think the way to bring about positive political change is to vote for the lesser evil must think the way to house-train two dogs is to give the treat to the one that pees closest to the door.”

People who think the way to bring about positive political change is to vote for a third party candidate with no hope of winning, which then could allow the greater evil to triumph, must think that giving treats to their cat will succeed in training the dog.

Hahaha! Always nice to find some humor about everything going on. And I’m with you on LALALALALALA!!! I’m about 2 thoughts away from taking a Facebook fast until the election. Which could also be a good thing to offer up with my prayers!

“People who think the way to bring about positive political change is to vote for the lesser evil must think the way to house-train two dogs is to give the treat to the one that pees closest to the door.”

I am voting for Romney to keep Obama out of office, and yes, I do look at that as the best possible outcome in this election.

“Neither do you consider that it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.”
This sentence was spoken by a leader who was pragmatic and choosing the “lesser of two evils”...saving lives by murdering a innocent.
His name: Caiphas, High Priest.      John 18:14

Correction to above statement ...*an innocent

Come on folk, by not casting a vote because Mr Romney’s not “perfect” enough for you, what will the practical outcome be? 4 more years of increased funding to Planned Parenthood, greater losses of religious freedom,a Supreme Court stacked with pro-abortion justices. Seriously.
I don’t hear anyone complaining about both candidates stands on other issues like the death penalty.Why is that not a reason to stay home on election day?

“Come on folk, by not casting a vote because Mr Romney’s not “perfect” enough for you, what will the practical outcome be?”
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Please, can everyone stop propping up the old straw man of the “perfect” candidate. I’m not looking for a perfect candidate (since they don’t exist) -  just someone who doesn’t condone the killing of innocent human beings (not that killing innocent human beings is that bad or anything . . . ) Right now neither major party candidate passes this test, which is a good reason not to vote for either one.
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You ask what the practical outcome will be if I - one individual - don’t cast my vote for Romney. The answer is absolutely nothing! My single vote makes no practical difference to the outcome of the election, and not because I live in a state that will go for Obama anyway. It’s ONLY ONE VOTE.
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I can see someone voting for Romney for the reasons you mention. But thinking that my vote can in any way alter the outcome of a national election is just fantasy. It is much more important that each person try to develop his conscience concerning the issues in this election and vote accordingly, instead of voting out of the confused notions that (a) my single vote “makes a difference” and (b) unless I vote for Romney I am supporting Obama. Neither holds up to serious scrutiny.

Sam,
The problem is not so much you, but you multiplied by thousands.That’s what will make a difference.

I am probably going to vote for Romney, even though I know full well that he is a terrible candidate.  Why?

1) Even though terrible, he almost certainly won’t be quite as terrible as Obama.
2) When Romney does the evil/stupid stuff that Obama does, the media will call him on it instead of hushing it up.
3) There is always a small but measurable chance that something will happen to Romney and Paul Ryan will become President.

I would have very happily voted for Ron Paul if he were on the ballot.

Ronald Reagan was a “work in progress” like all of us.  He went from unleashing abortion on California in the sixties when he was governor to repenting of his actions publicly as President.  It troubled him terribly that he had not succeeded in protecting the right to life.
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Romney is not in *favor* of abortion. Nor would he tolerate allowing living aborted babies dying abandoned in linen closets like Obama voted to allow.  Infanticide! Obama’s first executive order as president was to reinstate the Mexico City policy which funnels money for abortion to foreign countries to kill foreign babies as well!  This was his FIRST *executive order*.  Make no mistake about what this represents.  This is an abortion agenda, and it is pure evil.  It was the *ceremonious* LIGHTING OF A CANDLE.
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If you can live in a swing state and not actively vote to rid our nation of such a godless man you are willfully blind.

Kathleen,

I’m not thousands. I’m just me.

Posted by Sam Schmitt on Friday, Oct 26, 2012 11:25 AM (EST):Kathleen,

I’m not thousands. I’m just me.”
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That’s what all non-voters say.

Like some others, I live in Texas, one of the reddest of the red states…so I voted Libertarian. Since I had no chance at making a difference, I opted to send a message.

Why? Because both Obama and Romney make me deeply queasy, for different reasons, and “that government governs best that governs least” has always made sense to me — allowing that government has legitimate functions to perform that can’t be fulfilled in any other way. Also, to be socially progressive and fiscally conservative suits my personal leanings.

And Gary Johnson, unlike Obama and Romney, addresses the difficult questions facing our country with adult, reasoned, hard answers, not bumper-sticker-sized sound bites. In other words, he’s trying to deal honestly with reality, and treat us like grown-ups in the process. I LIKE that.

Some would say that I wasted my vote, that “sending a message” is an empty gesture. Sometimes it is. But sometimes the message has to start as a “still small voice” before it grows into something that must be listened to, by even the most willfully hard of hearing.

I think Mitt Romney’s real name is Hymie Goldstein.

@Josh The Constitution Party is not “fake”. It is the American Constitution Party (to give it its full name), and is listed as a major political party here in Colorado. I know, my husband is running for State Senate as an American Constitution Party candidate.

JoAnna—If you reward the dogs for peeing in the house, they will always pee in the house.  They would never change because they would never have an incentive to change.  This is what you want us to do with the Republican Party—why should they do 100% of what we want, when you would have us give them the same reward for doing 10% of what we want?  It’s game theory, pure and simple.  The pro-life movement has played softball with the Republicans since 1972, which is why the Republican Party is proud of being a “big tent” that can accommodate both pro-life and pro-abortion members.  Republican presidential candidates always DENY that they will select Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe v. Wade; they say they have “no litmus test.”  In contrast, the pro-abortion community has played hardball with the Democrats.  Today there are practically no pro-life Democrats on the national stage; certainly there are none allowed to speak at their national conventions.  The pro-life side is properly aligned with God and the natural law—with what people “can’t not know”—but has been so politically stupid as to guarantee exactly the situation we see today.  By this point, the abortion crisis in America can probably not be fixed by politics anyway, but it is 100% certain that IF we continue doing the same stupid things we have done since 1972, THE POLITICAL BATTLE IS LOST.  The spiritual battle would still go on, but always against a government that is either hostile or indifferent—the same alternation shown toward the Church by Roman emperors before Constantine.

For a while we were worried that my extremely Catholic mother in law would be either voting for Obama or not voting at all—because she detests Mormons.  I mean, my husband has been known to snark on the Mormons (he dated a Mormon girl once and never got tired of swatting down Joseph Smith’s teachings with the actual Scriptures).  But she really, really hates Mormons.

And then the vice presidential debate happened, and Biden stumbled over his own tongue trying to reconcile his political position with the Church’s teachings, and she wrote me that they were trying to find a Romney/Ryan sign.

Heh.

Howard - but how will giving a treat to the cat teach the dog not to pee in the house? Won’t that just succeed in effectively destroying the house with heaps of dog pee?
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I’d rather work to limit the amount of damage to the house, and immediately start preparing for the next doggy-adoption-day while there’s time to do something about it, instead of trying to train the dog eleven days before the obedience show.

@Howard - I understand and respect your opinion.  Much to my husband’s surprise, I was there with you just a few short months ago.  However, as I’ve seen more of Romney (and Obama) I’ve softened my stance against Romney and placed extra importance on removing Obama.   
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As much as all of us Romney voters hate to think of it, in all likelihood over the next four years millions of babies will suffer horrible deaths and our nation will continue its crawl towards a federal recognition of same sex marriage.  Only God can save us.

Well, you’ve been training the dog to do one thing—pee in the middle of the living room—for the past 40 years.  You’ve trained it well; he hits the same spot in front of the couch every time now.  Stop telling me you hope that THIS time he’s going to go in the yard—and it’s my obligation to pay for the treat you insist that he receive on the basis of what you hope he’ll do.

@Eileen—I agree with you that Romney will not succeed in changing the course of this country.  I might consider him worth a vote if I believed he would at least give it a serious try.  I don’t.  I don’t hear anything from him that is inconsistent with the fact he is selling himself to a different market than he did when he was governor of Massachusetts. If he is elected, I expect him to be much more interested in trade talks with small countries in the Southern Hemisphere and the details of the tax code than with the lives of the unborn or with preserving the recognition of only real marriage.  When I measure the man’s character, I’m interested in how much he will do when it costs him contributions and costs him votes, not just what he does when it’s time to milk the herd again.  If he wins this election, he can prove me wrong—or right.  He’s done too little, too late to win my support this time.

I don’t think there are any Pro-Life Catholics who are so naive as to think that Romney is going to get elected and suddenly overturn Roe vs Wade. However, it is certainly justifiable to think that he won’t be nearly as bad for the pro-death cause as Obama, which is good. He also may very well overturn the HHS Mandate, another plus.

And I really don’t know how voting third party is going to get us better candidates in the future. There’s the argument that “my vote doesn’t count anyway” so how on earth is voting third party going to end up with us getting better candidates in the future?

And the cold hard facts are that a completely Pro-Life, no exceptions regarding abortion, candidate would be hard pressed to win the presidency since, unfortunately, many Americans are “middle of the road” when it comes to abortion.

@Brennan—If a political party starts losing elections, they will want to know why, just like if a business loses customers, it will do research to find out why.  Time and time again, business have responded to customer demands—or else they have gone out of business.  Ford originally did not want to sell cars in any color other than black, Coke brought back their classic cola and finally abandoned “New Coke”, Microsoft gave up on DOS and moved to an Apple-like desktop, etc. If the Republicans realize their candidates who are weak on abortion are losing, changes will be made.
Q.  What if these candidates win anyhow and realize they don’t need the pro-life vote?
A.  First of all, by taking a weak position they are assuming that already.  You’re not losing any influence since you obviously didn’t have any to begin with.
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A.  Sure, but there are some things that cannot be compromised.  Even with those things that CAN be compromised, you should let the compromise arise from the interaction between legislators.  If you give up half of what you want before negotiations begin as a signal of goodwill, the other side will still want you to compromise by giving up half of what you retained.
Q.  What if this destroys the Republican Party?
A.  Then we’ll form a new party that reflects what we really believe.  This is, after all, what happened to the Whig Party.

Hi Howard,

I do understand what you are saying. I would say that Republicans running for President do need to at least pay lip service to the Pro-Life cause otherwise they very well could lose. I would also say that Romney does realize (as would other Republicans) that they need to watch what they do in regard to the cause if they want to help ensure their re-election. Now, that doesn’t mean they will do as much as we want them to. But it does mean, I would say, that they will elect better justices to the Supreme Court than someone like Obama would. They won’t go gung ho to support abortion all over the world. Romney very well could rescind the HHS Mandate. It would certainly seem in his best political interests to do so.

I am just skeptical that even if a Republican loses a presidential election that we are going to see a more stringent Pro-Life candidate get nominated, particularly with this two party system. The Democrats will most likely always nominate someone who is worse on abortion and so the Republican will get the Pro-Life vote by default. That’s not necessarily ideal, but that seems to be the way it is.

And since we have this two party system I am voting for Romney because stopping Obama seems far more important and doable than some conjecture that if Romney loses we’re going to get a stronger Pro-Life nomination the next time around. It would be nice if we did, but I doubt it.

These comments are fascinating to me.
I plan to vote (by absentee ballot, if it arrives in time!) for Obama, partly because I do agree with his stance on abortion & gay rights. But I wonder, what if my only two choices for president were both pro-life, just to varying degrees? What would I do? Would I pick the less restrictive one, or would I go third-party or abstain? Someday, maybe the shoe will be on that foot.

You Americans put the tea in before the milk? That explains a lot!

I’ll sure be glad when this election cycle is over. There is so much hate anymore. I know it has driven me to espouse ideas that I’m very ashamed of. America is made up of so many different elements that there is no way any one person can represent ideas and policies that will satisfy everyone. I’m Pro-Life but not everyone in this country is. Should the country only elect a President that satisfies my values or should we have a President that will let “US” have a choice?  When I go to Mass on Sundays I see families with two or three children, not seven or eight like those of my generation.  It is all about PERSONAL choice and PERSONAL consequence people.  Eileen’s response to my previous posts caused me to take a deep breath and think about what I was saying.  She’s right! I sound like a crazy religious bigot. That’s what I get for reading the “Left Behind” series and listening to Fox News. I’m foaming at the mouth and feel like everyone is looking at me.  Mormon’s aren’t bad people but living here in Utah has really got me looking for ghosts! The President can’t fix squat without support from Congress and Congress can’t fix squat until they listen to the WILL of the people. We need to let our WILL be known AND we need to insist on TERM LIMITS so that these bozo’s will start taking us seriously. We ALL need to PRAY and VOTE.  Amen

I’m a former life-long Democrat, now a registered Independent, since neither party fully reflects my views. I’m fairly liberal on economic and social justice issues, but am firmly against legal aborion (except in accord with church teaching on the principle of double effect) and gay marriage. I’m a gay Catholic myself, and have several gay friends, and we have a mutually respectful realtionship, so I’m no bigot. I haven’t always been chaste, but have been for most of my life. I still struggle with my sexuality, but have found healing through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Neither Romney/Ryan or Obama/Biden is perfect, but I will reluctantly vote for Romney. First, because I deplore the attacks on his Mormon faith. Obviously, I agree that Mormons have unusual beliefs incompatble with Catholicism. But my late aunt was a Mormon. She was a good, loving woman, and not subservient to her husband. Second, many religions have strange beliefs, but as has been pointed out, we’re not choosing a President based on his religion, but his policies. There should be no “religious test”” for running for office. In colonial times, most of the colonies had established churches. Rightfully, our American Revolution allowed reedom of religion. Romney has flip-flopped on abortion,which is disturbing. But the same is true for Biden. While Senator from Delaware, he voted for the partial-birth abortion ban, and usually voted against most federally funded abortions. During the hearings for Supreme Court nominee Judge Bork, Biden praised him as a fine jurist, and pledged to vote for him, even if it upset liberal groups. I also underatand that Romney has exceptions to his pro-life stance. But surely, he’s a better candidate that President Obama, who not only fully supports legal abortion, butwas even willing to shut down the federal government because of his insistence on funding Planned Parentood. Mr. Romney has also changed positions on gay marriage. But even Bill Clinton, with bipartisan support, signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which banned same-sex unions. Obama at first merely quietly favored same sex-unions, but is now a vehement supporter of gay marriage. His administration even refuses to defend DOMA. The bottom line is that if the President is re-elected, his HHS regualtions will require employers to provide employees with health benefits-a generally good policy, in my view. However, it will also force Catholic and other religious (and sexualr hospitals) to dispense abotion drugs (despite Obama’s denials). According to a 6/16/12 AP report, one out of six Americans receive healthcare from our hospitals. When they close-and sadly, they will-only misery will result. Remaining hospitals will be overwhelmed by patients. I do agree that Romney is being influenced to downplay his commitment to the innocent unborn and other vulnerable people. But we can only hope that if elected, he’ll have a change of heart, much as President Reagan did. The primary purpose of our faith is to win souls to Christ, not to be involved in politics. But since many denominations are involved in partisan politics, I feel we, a s Catholics, have both the right and responsibility to elect Romney,the candidate who has the greatest cahnce of restoting legal protection to the unborn,disabled infants threatened by infanticide, and senior citizens threatened by euthanasia. Respectfully, Tim Donovan

“But it does mean, I would say, that they will elect better justices to the Supreme Court than someone like Obama would. They won’t go gung ho to support abortion all over the world. Romney very well could rescind the HHS Mandate.”  Do you realize how weak your praise is?  “Better” justices—but are they good enough to be worth support?  They won’t be “gung ho to support abortion all around the world”—so, cool and businesslike?  Indifferent?  Romney “very well could” rescind the HHS Mandate—but not “would”?  If the best you can say is that he would possibly be slightly better, but even this thin hope is a moral mandate, you are saying that we are in the same position as a team down 19-3 points with two minutes left after having just scored a field goal:  We have to recover an onside kick, score a touchdown (which we haven’t done yet) in almost no time, go for two and make the conversion, then do it all again—and then hope to win in overtime.  In other words, no hope short of a miracle, EVEN IF THE REPUBLICAN WINS.  Whoever wins, we will have to pray for the conversion of the next president, and conversion is always a miracle.  We should pray for the conversion of the loser, too.

@EVAN - Simcha is merely poking fun at the fact that Paul Ryan incorrectly stated that he ran a marathon in something like 2 and half hours when it really took him something like 5.  It may not have been intentional but it was a gaffe and he’s got to live with it.

2 points.  The first is for Cassandra:  The teaching of the Catholic church is that we must always choose the lesser of 2 evils when voting in elections.  In other words if Obama is for all types of Abortions and Romney is only for Abortion in the case of rape or incest (which is also against church teaching)  then Catholics should vote for Romney because a vote for Romney is not a vote FOR Abortion in the case of rape or incest but a vote AGAINST Abortion on demand, Partial Birth Abortion and late term Abortion.  Secondly, when someone casts a vote for a 3rd party that has no chance what-so-ever of winning it is a wasted vote.  In my opinion it’s selfish because you are saying MY principle is more important that ensuring that the lesser of 2 evils is chosen.  Every vote for the lesser of 2 evils cancels out a vote for the greater of 2 evils.  It’s simple math.  So in your attempt to feel good about yourself and bragg about your “principled” decision you are missing the bigger picture, you are actually helping Obama to get elected in therefore indirectly casting a vote for the greater of 2 evils.

@Brennan- I agree, every step we get further from Obama (and fallen away Catholics like Joe Biden and Nanvy Pelosi) we are moving closer towards ending the culture of death that is Abortion. 

P.S.  I am calling on all faithful Catholics to stop using the words “Pro Choice” (which is a Jedi Mind Trick word created by the Left to replace the word “Abortion”) and start using the term “Pro Abortion” There is a reason that GPS systems lead people to Pro Life centers when they input the word “Abortion” .....Abortion clinics don’t use the word “Abortion” where as Pro Life centers do.

I’m Pro-Life but then I’ve volunteered at Homeless Shelters and Soup Kitchens where I’ve seen kids that are mal-nourished and poor in health because there just aren’t enough resources or people willing to adopt kids that have not future.  Single mothers that can’t make enough to support their children and useless fathers that won’t support their kids.  I know the Lord says we must shoulder our crosses but I think that means we have to pick up the crosses of the little ones as well.  Sounds good, huh?  Yea, but no one is stepping up.  It is a wonder there are so many abortions when a woman finds herself pregnant and there is no hope or opportunity in her eyes.  Yea, she got pregnant through ignorance but that is a fact of life.  Republicans (Ryan and his gang) want to deny help to this class (poor) of people.  Heck, they would just as soon see people die than have to contribute to help the unfortunate.  The fact is, abortion isn’t the only issue.  Let’s pad the pockets of the rich and see how it continues to trickle down.

@dmd, children waiting to be adopted do not live in homeless shelters.  My daughter has a friend who lived most her life in foster care, and her host parents received $900 a month to care for her.  Ideal? No, but she had food and health care.  Another case is my mother’s maid whom she has employed for the last 25 years.  She is a single mother who lives in public housing.  She knows how to work the system and is able to afford international travel twice a year with her daughter who cleans houses with her now. She quit the nursing program she was in because she frankly earns more money in the underground economy.  I don’t think it’s honest, but that’s how she gets ahead. Yes, some people are homeless, and need a hand up.  They need to get the assistance that is available to them, and get back on their feet, not kill their children like this is as much an option as to swat a fly.

@eyes, you’re missing the point.  Not all people work the system and kids in poverty (i.e., homeless shelters) would be better off in most cases if they were or had been adopted.  Oh, what hypocrites we are that we will defend the unborn but scorn the living that are in dire straits due to no fault of their own.  I’d wager that most of the participants of this conversation go home to a warm home and have plenty in the cupboards.  Vote Republican and we’ll see more homeless and hungry.  Any of you have a child or family member with a pre-existing illness and can’t get health insurance coverage?  I’m sick of it.  Like Romney said, borrow money from your family if you need help.  Yea, Right!  I hope you all sleep well at night.  Everyone condemns the poor and thinks it’s their fault.  Have you ever been hungry?

Howard, I don’t look at Romney as “slightly better” than Obama, I look at him as a whole lot better than Obama. With any vote you are looking into and attempting to surmise the future since one doesn’t have a crystal ball. I think there’s a good chance he will repeal the HHS mandate. I can’t see into the future and say who exactly Romney would appoint to the Supreme Court but I do predict they would be definitely better than whoever Obama would appoint.

There is also the possibility that Romney would defund Planned Parenthood and remove funding for abortion overseas. And these things aren’t dependent on a “miracle”, they are real probabilities, and so I will gladly vote for Romney and be grateful if he wins.

@dmd - you make some good points.  However, I will never see expanding the social safety net as the answer.  Many of those children living in homeless shelters should probably have been given up for adoption as infants.  But we don’t take children from the mothers without cause, nor should we.  It’s not the government’s role to determine if a person, who as yet has done no harm to a child, should or should not have the right to parent.  However, even when parents have shown themselves to be unfit, the goal in foster care is to reunite the child with his biological family.  When children are born to at-risk mothers, there are A LOT of government programs to help them parent better - the government is heavily invested in keeping biological families together.  I don’t know if that’s the right approach - I strongly suspect in many cases it’s not.  Maybe that makes me heartless, but I’m also the mother of a child whose torso is covered with scars cigarette burns he endured during his first year of life.  And yet his first mother went on to have and parent more children.  I can’t see that parenting classes and more food stamps is going to magically make her a better parent. 
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But three and four generations living solely on assistance is no way to live.    I truly believe increasing the government handouts only turn generations five and six into welfare recipients as well.   
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You’re right that our current healthcare system is ridiculous and pre-existing conditions will disqualify people from buying insurance independently.  My state - Pennsylvania - has fixed the pre-existing condition problem when it comes to children.  I would like to see an option for adults in every state as well.    As a taxpayer I would be willing to subsidize such an insurance plan.  But Obamacare is a monstrosity and it tells private business how it must run itself and that’s a frightening thought.

Chuck, isn’t the term “Pro Abortion” misleading? Doesn’t it mean that these people believe ALL pregnancies, or at least all crisis pregnancies, SHOULD end in abortion, in every case? “Pro-life” means no abortion, ever, under any circumstance, so “pro-abortion” would mean abortion, all the time, under all circumstances, and I don’t think that’s a valid description of what those who describe themselves as “pro-choice” believe. Perhaps “pro-abortion rights” would be more accurate.

@dmd - I’d wager that most here do actually know poverty (to varying degrees).  Many have likely been cold, hungry, and uninsured.  I’ve been all those things as has my husband and many other people from very large, Catholic families.    What most of us here probably don’t know and can’t really comprehend is systemic poverty.  A place where education isn’t valued and a decent one isn’t readily available to those who want one.  Where paid work is an almost foreign concept.  Poverty always tests the soul.  Systemic poverty crushes it and cries out for a spiritual healing.  I don’t have the answers, but I do know you can’t fix a spiritual sickness through material means.  I believe in a government safety net, but the cycle must be broken.  Throwing more money and more programs at systemically poor people is not going to fix their problems.  It is our duty as believers in Jesus to help the poor.  We, not the government, can break the cycle.

@L.  No, because there is no such thing as a right to abortion; the American legal system, like many others around the world, is in error about this.  As for your other point, would you hesitate to call someone “pro-slavery” who supported the status quo of 1859 because he did not believe that every person, without exception, should be a slave?  Both Romney and Obama claim to be pro-job—do you think that means they believe we should be working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?  If they claim to be pro-Israeli, do you think that means they think we should all be Israelis?  Get real.

Posted by @dmd on Saturday, Oct 27, 2012 4:24 PM (EST):  Vote Republican and we’ll see more homeless and hungry.  Any of you have a child or family member with a pre-existing illness and can’t get health insurance coverage? “
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Every state I’m aware of has free or income based children’s health insurance available.It covers dental & vision care, also.To not qualify, you’d have to have pretty decent income, & pre-existing conditions are covered, too.If your income is really low, they even provide free transportation to the doctor.

@dmd, “everyone condemns the poor and thinks its their fault”
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It seems to me that you have settled into a false assumption because you want to play a blame game.  Yes, bad things happen to good people, but it is never right to apply a bad solution to a difficult problem, and to aid and abet cycles of poverty.  People need food, shelter, job training, rehab, counsel, and health care.  The Catholic church is the biggest social services organization providing these services,in the world. Forcing the church to shut down hospitals and Catholic charities because she refuses to become complicit in a corrupt and evil system that says killing unborn children, and giving their mothers dangerous drugs that don’t promote health, is an outrage.  Cases of AIDS HPV, and STDs surge when people indulge in the “condom lifestyle”.  Healthy families which honor chastity and monogamy, are what build up healthy and functioning societies.
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Romney is the only candidate that sees Planned Parenthood/Int’l Planned Parenthood, as a destructive organization that promotes an immoral agenda.  The American family has never suffered so much.

There is no right or wrong here except that we don’t know what Romney will do and we don’t know what he supports or what he stands for.  He changes his position on everything to suit the audience he happens to be talking to at the moment.  When I look at him I don’t see a man of character.  All I see is a guy that will do and say anything to be President.  You are wishing on a star if you think he will be the change this country needs.  His (undefined) agenda doesn’t add up, mathematically I mean.  Romney is a Liar, Big Time and he’s got Ryan lying now too.  Besides, the President, whoever that turns out to be can’t do squat by himself.  He needs a congress that will start working together for the good of all the people instead of working solely for their party.  If we (the righteous) want something done, we need to start making noise at the local level, nominate and elect representatives that will do OUR bidding and stop the blame game.  Sadly, as far as this cycle goes, nothing is going to change (for the better anyway).  Big Money and Special Interests rule and what the people think (and want) is all a fantasy.  We need a repeal of the Citizens for America ruling that allows anonymous money to buy our elections and we need to enact Term Limits before the People can take our government back. 

Whether or not Americans will admit it, Racism, Bigotry and Hate is what fuels our politics, not economic, social or even religious issues.  White America hates Obama because he’s black.  Black and Brown America likes Obama because he’s not White.  Until we can get over the prejudice and put out the fire fueled by all the Haters, I don’t see much progress in the stride towards recovery at any level (economic or social).

@dmd:  Partial birth abortion.  Scissors,(more like wire cutters) which make a hole at the base of the skull.  Scissors reach into a hole that is carved open.  As head is being birthed, spinal column is grasped and severed.
Obama: For
Romney: Against

Believe me Eyes, I do not condone abortion of any form or type.  I believe it to be an immoral act no matter the circumstance… but, the world is as the world is.  I refuse to hide behind rose colored glasses.  If people are not given a choice and if there is not a path to getting medically sound and sterilized procedures, I am afraid we will see more wire cutters and hangers and scissors and who knows what used to perform abortions in back rooms and dark alleys.  We don’t need to return to the horrors of the past.  I don’t have the answers but going backwards is not going to prevent abortions.  I continue and will continue to pray for all souls.  Babies, Mothers, Doctors and even those that would take us back to a darker time.  God gave us the freedom to choose and all of us will have to answer on judgment day.  I will pray for you too and the passion that you have in regards to this terrible tragedy.  I only hope you will see the harm of not considering the consequence of not giving people the choice.  God bless you.

October Surprise, thy name is Sandy.

@dmd- According to your logic the Gov’t should open choking clinics where serial killers can murder people in a “safe” and “sterile” environment.  What about rape clinics? I could be wrong but I don’t think that any of the babies that were cut into pieces and sucked through a vaccum tube into a garbage can care that it was done in a “safe” and “sterile” environment.  Peace in Christ.

@dmd, so are you for legalizing other acts of violence, too, so that they can be regulated and performed safely?  I mean, murders, rapes, and assaults are going to happen no matter what we do. 

Maybe we could set up rape centers where the man can bring the woman that he has decided to rape, and it can all be done safely.  If rape is legal, then the man wouldn’t have any need to kill her, and the woman can get counseling from experts right at the rape center.

Just trying to show the absurdity of your position here…

Posted by @dmd on Monday, Oct 29, 2012 9:49 PM (EST):Believe me Eyes, I do not condone abortion of any form or type.  I believe it to be an immoral act no matter the circumstance… but, the world is as the world is.  I refuse to hide behind rose colored glasses.”
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I’m sorry, but in an election year I tend to see all kinds of folk in the Obama campaign posing as concerned Catholics in online comment boxes. I’m thinking you see the world thru’ Democrat-colored glasses.

@Kathleen, my thought to.  How on GODS’S GREEN EARTH can severed spinal columns be massaged into “Safe and Legal”.  What has become of us?  God help us all if this is the new Mercy.

Medically sound and sterilized procedures - to kill babies.  God have mercy on us.  Everytime I read or hear someone defend abortion I think of what Mother Teresa said “It is a povery to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
To those who care so much about the poor, I’ll forward you all the numerous letters I get from charities every week.

“Oh You hypocrites”! I never defended or condoned abortion as I spelled out to you.  I only stated that you will never be able to stop it by legislating it or by your vote.  Just like you can’t legislate against murder or racism or hunger.  My point was that if people aren’t given a choice then the abominable act will be performed in back alley’s using metal hangers (if you’re not old enough to remember those days then you need to educate yourselves).  “Oh You hypocrites”!  How many of you own any item made in China where state sponsored and state mandated abortion is the rule, not the exception?  If you are so righteous you would boycott anything made in China.  “Oh you hypocrites”!  What is the greatest Commandment?  Is murder worse than adultery?  Is lying worse than stealing? I believe Jesus gave us the greatest Commandment when he said to “Love one another as I have loved You”.  “Oh You hypocrites”!  How many of your co-workers or neighbors are able to identify you as Catholics and want to emulate you because of the Love you have for your neighbor?  Don’t put words in my mouth by stating I’m defending abortion.  I’m not!  I’m just speaking the truth.  I refuse to put my head in the sand and stand on a pedestal shouting and encouraging hatred.  “Oh You hypocrites”!  You are all so righteous because you follow “the Law” but there is no Love in your hearts.

@dmd - when abortions are legal, they are more commonly performed.  That’s a fact.  The question is will more lives (babies) be saved outlawing abortion than mothers will die in back alley abortions?  The answer is an unequivocal yes!  Even Bernard Nathanson’s completely fabricated 10,000 dead women would save a tremendous number of people.  Look it up.  Bernie Nathanson made up the number. 
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Um, we’re Catholics here not Rick Warren feel good Christians and we do believe there is a hierarchy of sin.  Murdering an unborn child is ALWAYS a mortal sin.  Always. 
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I for one gave up buying most Chinese crap about 7 years ago, but I really don’t see what not buying made in China stuff has to do with whether or not I support legal abortion in my own country.
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So much anger, dmd.  Life is too short to spend it defending the legal murder of a whole class of human beings.  If you’re passionate about the poor (and I think you probably are), place your energies there.  Defending legal abortion isn’t good for your health.

People have murdered each other from the beginning.  Do we enshrine the immolation of babies because “people are going to do it anyways?”  As Chuck pointed out above, they’ve been raping since the get go also.  If a civilized society can’t protect the rights of its most vulnerable inhabitants, it can no longer consider itself civilized.  What will happen to a nation that has lost its moral compass?

@dmd - I find your last response very intriguing.  Nobody here has attacked you personally we just don’t agree that murdering babies should be made legal so that the means by which they are murdered will not upset your sensibilities.  That really is what you are saying, that abortion should be made legal so that the means by which it is carried out is acceptable to your sensibilities.  Again, according to your logic a man raping a woman in a controlled and clean environment should be legal so that he won’t rape her in a back alley.  Your argument just doesn’t make any sense and because you cannot argue convincingly to legalize abortion you result to accusing those not in favor of abortion of being hypocrites and unloving.  Murder is murder, regardless of how clean or controlled the environment is.  You also stated definitively that making Abortion illegal would not end Abortion.  No one is suggesting that it would, what is true though is that in countries where abortion is illegal and where abstinence is taught and practiced unwanted pregnancies are significantly lower as are abortions.  Those are documented undeniable facts.  You stated that you would not just stick your head in the sand but I say that by ignoring the facts you are doing just that.  You have caved in to fear and convinced yourself the legalized abortion is the only viable option and it is not.  We can save millions of babies if we choose not stick our heads in the sand.  Peace in Christ.

Posted by @dmd on Tuesday, Oct 30, 2012 4:30 PM (EST):“Oh You hypocrites”! I never defended or condoned abortion as I spelled out to you.  I only stated that you will never be able to stop it by legislating it or by your vote.”
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The subject is not being able to prevent every violent act such as abortion, but overturning Roe vs Wade which gives abortion on demand legal protection.And yes, we can stop that by legislation & votes.
Please vote for Romney & Ryan on Nov. 6th as a step in that direction.
Thank you.

We heard Romney at Pease in Portsmouth this morning. For the first time in a very long time I will not have to hold my nose when I vote for him next Tuesday.

All you more-catholic-than-the-Pope-not-voting-for-Romney, I hope you feeling good about yourselves is worth America’s downfall.