Australia… What more do you expect of an uneducated country populated with rejected British criminals?

Why yes, I am stereotyping. I mean, if that’s what he’s gonna do, why not do it in kind?

It’s depressing that Mr. Ellis is filled with such hate.  These attacks on the Church are ridiculous.

The Pope protected pedophiles, allowing them to commit their crimes against children for DECADES, and you play the VICTIM.

I will never again use the word “Catholic” without including the word PEDOPHILE !

I will never again use the name “thomas” without including the words “ignorant dunderhead”.

I agree.  The Pope, as head of the CDF, is responsible for more ruined lives, destroyed families and suicides than Osama bin Laden.  Referring to the devastation as absurd and ridiculous is doing your pope no service.  Who’s really against the pope here?  The people seeking justice or the people seeking universal denial and shirking of responsibilities to children?  Hiding behind the tiresome “persecution” complex is just not gonna weather this storm.  True acknowledgment, remorse, punishment, restitution, systemic change, and way down at the end of all that the possibility of forgiveness is the way to approach the matter of raped children driven to suicide.

Persecution complex? Explain why, of all the organizations in which children are abused (scouts, public schools, non-Catholic churches, non-Christian religions, camps, and most recently, a swim team)everyone only has enough selective outrage for the Catholic Church?

Not to mention the fact that Benedict hasn’t called for the bombing of anyone.

This Pope did and does more to rid the church of “the filth” than anyone. That’s why the Lavender Mafia hates him. Because they don’t have a problem with Man/Boy “Love”. They just object to being referred to as “filth” when they lobby to get the age of consent lowered and get the APA to publish White Papers saying that Adult Child Sex may be “beneficial” to the child.

Child rape apologists abound all over the Catholic Church.

Mr. Archbold, stop portraying the Catholic Church as a victim. The Catholic Church IS the victimizer:

- Catholic priests serially raped children for over 50 years (that we know of)
- The Catholic Church obstructed justice by not reporting these criminals, aided and abetted the criminals by transferring them to other parrishes, and was complicit in the serial rape of children by allowing these priests to have access to children.
- The Catholic Church showed a complete disregard for the welfare of children by damning them all to silence with threats and oaths of secrecy. The healing of these broken children did not even register in the Catholic Church’s radar.
- Thank GOD for the media, because if the media hadn’t exposed these crimes, the Church would be doing the same thing that it has been doing for thousands of years: using children as the vessels for the sexual gratification of its priests.
- The Catholic Church, instead of offering reparation to the victims, turning the criminals and those who were protecting them to the police, and defrocking the lot, is attacking the media. The Church is blaming the jews. And now, in an unfathomable act of desperation and showing no remorse and no regards for the real victims of its atrocities, the Vatican is blaming homosexuals, and indulging in pseudoscience by claiming a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, where none exists.

How do u expect ANYONE to have any sympathy for a diabolical and infernal institution?

St. Michael, protect the Holy Father from violence and harm; guard his life and his spirit from this evil attack.

Thomas and SarahTX2, I submit to you that your understanding of this scourge in the Church is highly incomplete and framed by a biased and anti-Church media.  No one, not Benedict nor anyone else, denies the horror, the evil, the pain, the inexcusable actions of a small number of unfaithful priests against innocent young people.  If you would evaluate his actions honestly, you would see that no one grieves more than the Holy Father, and no one has done/is doing more to ensure the “filth” is purged from the Church and never happens again.  He loves and wants to protect children and the faithful from this evil.  That is the truth.  “Filth” is HIS word for all of this.  He recognizes it for what it is.

The Church is doing penance, as it should, and will continue to do so.  Faithful Catholics are heartbroken at what has been allowed to happen within our walls.  Yet, we know that the overwhelming majority of our priests are good, faithful, trustworthy, generous servants of God, and we cannot allow them to be branded as sexual deviants or criminals.

As many other have pointed out, the abuse of children happens in every corner of the world, perpetrated by every group, every profession, every class, every race, creed, religion, and sexual orientation.  It is the most pervasive evil on the planet.  And because the Church is made up of sinful human beings, there are scoundrels among the saints.  But do not forget that the saints outnumber the scoundrels, and want the scoundrels kicked to the curb.

Mr. Ellis’s outrageously hateful and incendiary column is entirely unjustified and inexcusable.  He is a hit-man and a hate-monger.  Unbelievable.

Jesus, come to the aid of Your Church on earth!  Cleanse us from sin, set our hearts on fire with love and purity, and protect us from all evil.  Amen.

It’s not gonna do to everyone else, the Jews, the gays, the media, the devil.  There’s way too much evidence.  When California opened a window for anyone to sue for childhood sexual abuse, all the abused were free to name their abuser in court.  Hundreds of cases were filed.  Do you want to take a look at how many cases were filed against “(scouts, public schools, non-Catholic churches, non-Christian religions, camps, and most recently, a swim team)”?  Almost all of the lawsuits filed were by victims of Catholic priests.  Why didn’t the other victims that you’ve been encouraged to believe are so numerous file their lawsuits?  Answer:  because they aren’t numerous at all, and instead are isolated cases. 

Same thing happened in Delaware.  You can say that of course people filed suits because of “persecution” of the Catholic Church.  But, no, just about all abused children want to name their abuser in court.  All had the opportunity is two states.  Over 90% of the abusers named in court were Catholic priests.  You can run from this.  You’re not helping your pope.  He is going to have to be deposed.  Better to level with him and maybe let him know you’ll raise big money for his defense fund.  But faking him out into believing this is a big media circus is not fair to an 82 year old man who is not at all worldwise.

Thomas ignorant dunderhead.

I like it.

According to the UN Education Index, Australia is the most highly educated nation in the world (tied with Denmark).
Oh. And less than 5% of settlers were convicts. Fail on both counts.

Jennifer,

Name what the pope has done beyond using the word “filth” and writing a long, boring, evasive and completely ineffective letter to the Irish.  Name what else he has done.

Also, I wish we could excise another word from the Catholic vocabulary, in addition to “persecution”, that word being “heartbroken”.  These days every Catholic uses it.  How many times can a Catholic’s heart be broken?  It’s become cliche.  If the hearts have been broken so many times, what is left there?  Too much breaking of hearts leads to heartless, and that’s pretty much where Catholics stand on the rape and suicide of children.

Sarah,
You can start here.
http://catholicanchor.org/wordpress/?p=601

And your comment about too much heartbreaking leads to heartless is just plain silly.  You would prefer we not be heartbroken by sin and evil?  On the contrary, “a broken and contrite heart, O Lord, you will not despise.”  A heart broken by sin and its consequences is a heart that becomes more and more open to repentance, healing and conversion.  A broken heart is a heart God can inhabit and fill with His love and grace.  No such thing as too much heart-brokenness, my dear.  Not with God.

Sorry, Nigel Appleby, but I still believe that the entire nation of Australia is populated by convicts, with a small number of jumping marsupials thrown in for flavor. I also believe, based on what I’ve seen on TV, that your national spokesman is Crocodile Dundee, you national bird is the Wallaby, and that all children raised there are still functionally illiterate after graduation from grammar school. I mean really, what else can you say about a nation that can’t even speak its national language of German? I also believe that there is a massive obesity epidemic there, and that simply touching the ocean water will result in instant attack from sharks and/or stingrays.

What’s that you say? Why no, I don’t have any direct knowledge of Australia myself. But hey, if people in the media who by their statements reveal that they also have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to the Church can demand to be taken seriously on THAT topic, I can demand the same right as well.

BTW, Nigel, I am leaning more toward believing the whole ‘illiterate’ thing now, as you obviously didn’t bother to read my entire comment and understand what I was saying.

(assuming that you are Australian, of course. I mean, with a name like NIGEL afterall…)

It is highly likely that Jihadists will find a way to bomb the Vatican. The best time to do it is when the men with the funny hats are filling the basilica, which was built partly by the sale of indulgences. Red robes, ermine capes, golden chalices and art treasures are no part of the Christian faith. Jesus roundly condemns those “who like to walk in long robes”. Again Jesus says “the foxes have holes, the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man has no place to lay his head”...and then comes the clincher..“Come follow me”. Is that what the popes and cardinals are doing? The modern Roman church has departed completely from the basics of Christianity, as preached by Jesus Christ. Members of that monarchy need to leave quickly and become saved by Jesus Christ. The church age is over. The lust for power by cardinals, bishops and popes is universal. Begone you child molesters and Satanists. Drink your best wines and cognacs and prepare for the Tribulation.

I believe the words some of you might sum up your statements with are “Crucify them.”

Please tone down the personal attacks, folks.

(assuming you were talking to me, Thomas)

I am not personally attacking anyone, actually. I was simply showing the absurdity of people believing everything they are told about the Church by media personalities who are demonstrably ignorant by applying the same sort of ‘discussion’ (in what I thought was rather obvious satire) to another topic.

“It is highly likely that Jihadists will find a way to bomb the Vatican. The best time to do it is when the men with the funny hats are filling the basilica, which was built partly by the sale of indulgences….blah blah”

- I didn’t know Jack Chick read this website.

You forgot to mention the albino assassins, Tony. No ignorant, cliche filled fever rant is complete without albino assassins.

Man, what KKK-affiliated site linked this article to bring all the trolls out?

It is interesting to see that everyone hates to see the Church use the “persecuted” card and yet the media willingly and continually use that card to describe the Jihad mentality of the OBL followers (“Our lifesyle has made them angry and we are just too powerful and aggressive; that’s why they want to kill us.”) and nobody blinks an eye. The Catholic Church is not the enemy of this world. It has done and will continue to do more for this world than any institution in the history of mankind. However, its members are never going to be perfect and they will make mistakes and mishandle situations. That’s kind of the nature of being human beings.

Jennifer,

Where to begin?  OK, are you aware that Fr. Brundage rescinded his statements a few days later?  I read your link and you did not follow up on that story.  Fr. Brundage came out and said that, in fact, he misremembered the facts and completely forgot that, in fact, a letter was written ending the trial and Murphy was not on trial when he died, and, even more, Fr. Brundage completely forgot that in fact it was he himself who drafted the letter for Weakland ending the trial.  I won’t provide you a link.  I can’t do all of your work for you.  But you can google Fr. Brundage and find out in five seconds what became of the Fr. Brundage defense of the pope.  I believe that Fr. Brundage did not misremember.  He merely got surprised upon discovering that Weakland exposed him as the writer of the letter ending the trial.  There was some betrayal there.

As for heartbroken, my point is that Catholics can’t just say in unison that they’re heartbroken when something gets undeniably proven.  It makes no difference if those who further this scandal by not informing themselves and by donating the money that keeps it going, it makes no difference if these ones are heartbroken.  The families of the victims are heartbroken.  The victims are broken.  There’s no time for current Catholics to sit by the fireplace heartbroken.  It’s a cop-out.  You think that if you say you’re heartbroken, then we’ll all sit back and say, okay, we can let this one go because they’re heartbroken.  You aren’t the victim.  You don’t get to be heartbroken.  What Catholics need to do is get right smack dab in the center of this horrendous mess and fix it, stop it, make amends, set up refuges for the thousands of victims.  If you want to be heartbroken along the way, that’s your business.  But heartbroken without doing something proactive and absolutely putting a stop to what your religion is doing, well, that heartbroken is really nothing at all.

As you can see I’ve taken to deleting comments that I believe go over the line. I believe that we can have a rational and constructive conversation but please keep your comments constructive or I’ll just close down comments. Thanks.

Looks like people are connecting the dots.  Do you think Bin Laden is in the Vatican?

Thank you, Mr. Archbold.  I have not meant to offend Catholics and I may have inadvertently done that.  I’m still working at finding the fine line between constructive ideas and offensive language.  I agree that when comments become irrational or deconstructive, that is doing no service to children who need advocacy.

Sarah,
I read Fr. Brundage’s correction regarding the trial, and it’s not the big deal you portray.  I’m glad he issued the correction, but it’s hardly the point.  The point is what Benedict has done, not what Weakland or Fr. Brundage have done.  Fr. Brundage was correct in pointing out the steps Benedict has taken to stop the abuse and make sure those responsible are held accountable.
As to the heartbroken issue… I think you may fail to realize that Catholics are not simply sitting around by the fireplace feeling sorry and heartbroken.  That would, I agree, be of no use to anyone.  What faithful, heartbroken Catholics ARE doing is praying, sincerely, sorrowfully praying - and that is of great value to everyone.  The critical dimension here is the spiritual one, for the sin of sexual abuse begins there.  This is a spiritual battle first, and it must be fought through prayer and repentance.  That requires a humble, broken and contrite heart.  Don’t cynically dismiss the sorrow felt by those of us sitting in the pews each Sunday.  We have not the power to get “smack dab in the center of this horrendous mess and fix it” except to get on our knees and pray first; then to watch carefully and keep our leaders accountable.  But make no mistake, Sarah, it is a spiritual battle first.
We’re not wringing our hands and wiping away useless tears… we are truly devastated by all that has occurred, and I’d love nothing more than to take away the pain of those who have suffered most.  But I can’t.  The Church I love has been the cause of unspeakable evil and destruction.  That simply should never happen.  It is the ultimate betrayal.  And contrary to your statement, you better believe I DO get to be heartbroken about that.
However, I will not abide by smear attacks, falsehood and hatchet-jobs in the media that perpetuate lies and feed people’s fears.  I will not abide by the Pope being portrayed as a child molester, and good priests being cast as freaks and closet pedophiles.  I will not quietly abide by the unjust persecution of the Church as a whole for the evil deeds of a few.

The critics present us with a false dilemma: either defend the Church or defend the sexual abuse victims.

It so happens that I can do both, that the two are not mutually exclusive.

The media attacks against the Church and the Pope, aped here by some “dunderheads”, respond to other agendas that have transcended the outrage at the scandal and the quest for justice to the victims. The agenda is to discredit the Church and reduce her voice in global affairs. That’s the real agenda. Our fault has been that we - For I am a member of the Church, after all - opened the door to this.

I will defend the victims, but I will defend the Church too against those wanting to destroy her. Dunderheads are lending themselves as useful fools to this agenda, but other than their thoughtless cooperation, the guilt, the cunning, and the hatred lies elsewhere, in people like the ABC “journalist” who authored these lines.

-Theo

Hi, Jennifer,

I believe that prayer had been the answer for several decades and also that the heinous crime was viewed first and foremost as a spiritual problem and not a matter for the criminal courts and jails.  And that silent approach has not worked. 

I can’t say anymore about the failed prayer effort without being offensive so I will refrain.  However, I do work full time and overtime, and I am injecting myself smack dab in the middle of it in my spare time because of my hope that this global catastrophe is now being brought into the light and is going to be dealt with.  I’m sorry you haven’t the time.  I’m sorry that almost all current Catholics haven’t the time as it would be wonderful to team up.  As it is, the former Catholics and non-Catholics must do the hard work on behalf of the Catholic children.  I accept that.  Good luck to you.

TDJ,

Excellent!  Can you begin your defense of the victims, please?

Also, the dunderhead thing, and other namecalling, has one purpose only, to create confrontation.  I was hoping that your defense of both sides which are not mutually exclusive would necessarily have to refrain from confrontation since, as you say, you can defend both sides.

The incidence of rape by Catholic priests is below that of the general population.  It’s also on par with that seen by other ministrities and below that seen in school teachers.  Yet the Catholic Church is singled out.  Care to guess why?  Well, for one, we have a media complex that would love to destory the Church, as it stands as the single most united front against their moral mission of total depravity.  The other is that the Catholic Church has some very deep and very identifiable pockets.

The Church did wrong in covering up these abuses.  They believed in repentence, sent abusers off to new parishes, forced them to repent, and believed they could be redeemed.  Alas, that was a major mistake.

It’s also noteworthy that the vast majority of these cases have been man on young boy—something the seminaries should be doing more screening for evidently.  Sexual identity is obviously a problem.  You look at the poor Boy Scouts in the Catch 22 they’re in between reality and those who would stick their heads in the sand and state that there’s no predilection towards child abuse by sexual identification.

I’m a non-Catholic for the record, but I fully respect the Church.  And it’s rather obvious some evil-doers would seek to discredit a Church that deserves nothing of the such for anyone with the slightest understanding of history.

Sarah,

That was completely uncalled for and unjustified.  How dare you presume to think I haven’t the time or the motivation or inclination to “deal” with it?  You are pigheadedly skipping over what I’ve actually said and putting all sorts of words in my mouth that were never uttered by me.  I never said, nor implied that attending to the spiritual nature of this battle means that we can ignore dealing with the physical and legal matters, or that the criminal nature of the scourge should be overlooked in favor of prayer.  You smugly assert that non-Catholics and former Catholics are left to “do the hard work” on behalf of Catholic children and your arrogance and condescension is beyond insulting.
The fact is, all evil is always, first and foremost, a spiritual battle, and the weapons of this world will never prevail against evil.  Only prayer and the power of the Holy Spirit can do that.
So, while the legal avenues are pursued; while the criminal charges are leveled; while every possible step is take to ensure not one more child is harmed; while all that is going on, what is indispensable is PRAYER.  The only thing that will bring HEALING is prayer and the grace of God.  The only remedy is conversion and repentance that is brought about through PRAYER.  There is no such thing as failed prayer, Sarah, if that prayer is sincerely directed toward God our Father.
Get down off your high horse, Sarah.  You’re not the only one who wants children protected and defended.  Do not presume to know me or how hard I work to bring about the change in the Church that we all want to see take place for the sake of the innocent.  You have no idea what you’re talking about.
And I don’t need luck, thanks.

I have an idea which I hope isn’t offensive.  Regarding the idea of praying about child molesting.  I believe that is the underlying issue in the thousands of cases.  Is it okay to approach this heinous crime with prayer?  Yes, it is, but only if combined with civil law regarding crimes.  You see, what’s happened here is that Catholics think their church is under attack by people who don’t care that much about children.  That’s where it’s gone haywire.

The truth is that child advocates are saying now that they can no longer discriminate against Catholic children by leaving them out of their child advocacy efforts.  When we’ve heard these cases over the past decades, if it’s a Catholic child being raped, we have to leave that alone because Catholics won’t allow outside interference.  The problem is, we can’t do that anymore.  All children are worthy of a cloak of protection.  Rather than attacking your church, please understand that, quite the opposite, many people want to include Catholic children in their society’s cloak of protection.  Because we have seen that when a child is mercilessly abused and left undefended, many such children grow up to experience conflict like we can’t imagine, often spiralling into divorce, substance abuse, self mutilation, and for many, ultimately, jail.  With the worst case scenarios being suicide.  We can’t do that anymore.  We can’t stand by and allow it.  We can’t discriminate against Catholic children anymore by leaving them stranded.  So it’s over.  These things are going to be addressed.

And so I think that these cases all over the world have to be taken into a court of law and let a judge and/or jury decide on this issue of handling child rape with prayer or with handcuffs for the aggressor who rapes a child and leaves that child bloodied and ruined.  Each country has to decide if their society can continue consigning children to the whims of any religion or ideology or just plain negligence.

Those who wish to defend both the victims and the church, and I would like to do that too, please tell me what is wrong with what I’ve said here.  But also please concede one thing, that you will at some point read the John Jay Report, commissioned by the American Bishops, which points out that as of 2002, no less than 10,000 children in America were abused by no less than 4,000 priests, approximately 4% of the priests.  That was in 2002, when many thousands more cases had not yet been unearthed.  I think you can in fact read only things published by the Catholic Church and still get a pretty good picture, if you include the John Jay Report.

Going back to the beginning of this discussion, Jennifer, what penance is the Church doing?  Can you break that down?  Does it include any element beyond prayer?  Also, what has the Holy Father done specifically, other than using the word “filth”?  Aside from a letter to the Irish, an apology to America and Australia, what exactly has he done?  I can give you a list a mile long of what I’ve done specifically and what many others have done?  What has the Holy Father done?  I can handle words like “pigheaded,” “hit-man,” and “hate-monger,” so go ahead and use all the vocabulary you need to set me straight.

A thousand years from now, if Christ tarries, the Commonwealth of Australia will be gone; the ABC will be gone; and Bob Ellis will be gone.

The Catholic Church will still be here. The pope will still be its head. And there will still be no women priests, no “people power”, and no tolerance for abortion, contraception, so-called euthanasia, or any of that nonsense.

Many have tried to destroy the Catholic Church:  Nero, Maximinus Thrax, the butchers of Lyon, Diocletian, Galerius, Shapur II, Mohammed, Saladin, Athanaric, the Borgia popes, Luther, Calvin, Elizabeth I, Oliver Cromwell, Napoleon, Bismarck, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and many others. They’re all dead. The Church is still here, and will always be here.

Nice dodge, Sarah.  Go “back to the beginning” and ignore your own rudeness and smugness.  I was not rude or condescending to you despite our disagreements.  However sincere your motives in protecting children; however tireless your efforts; however anguished you are over the damage done, I assure you, the Holy Father is more so, whether you believe it or not.

Amen, Bruce.  Thanks be to God.

Bruce Lewis, I’m not dead.  Not at all. Children live, as they always will.  Almost always.  The odds are on my side when I stay on the side of children who need adults like you and me to protect them.

Jennifer, I call you.  What has the Holy Father done?

Did he help those 200 deaf boys?  Not at all.  Not a speck that I can find.  He never even thought about them, Jennifer.  They were mere specks.  As deaf boys were, around the world.  Italy, France, what=not.  I’m sorry if you care not for the deaf boys.  They have a soul.  A big soul, a righteous soul, a soul that cannot be hushed.  They may have been told, “never speak of this again,” but they spoke.  Funny.  They spoke so loudly, none can deny them.  Great boys.  At least, can you give them props?

According to Bill Donohue, boys who are 12 or 13 years old are not children.  Do you agree with that?

I had two daughters but no son.  So I don’t know.  Are boys who are 12 or 13 years old adults who lure other adults to have sex with them?  Please register here.  If you have or have had sons who are or were 12 or 13 years old, were they adults?

Getting on a high horse.  Might not be such a bad thing.  You can see the world around you.  Not so bad really.  Get off your low horse.  And get on the high horse.  Get up.  And stand up.

If you were ever or remember ever being a boy who is 12 or 13 years old, get on your high horse and tell us what that was like.  Me and Jennifer and everyone else.  What was that like?

I understand that prayer might seem a worthless activity that has no visible change. However, one of the effects of prayer is to change the heart and mind of the one praying. Through prayer, God’s grace can give one the strength and courage to do what is necessary, yes, even risking life to go up against people who won’t allow outside interference if it means a child’s life will be saved.

As for the Pope, as head of the CDF, he put measures into place to ensure that credible allegations against priests are dealt with more speedily than in the past, he has enforced measures to encourage victims to come forward and he has increased the statute of limitations on such cases, it some cases it can be indefinite. Catholics have always been required to report crimes to civil authorities, that being common sense may have been left unsaid in the past, but has been clarified recently.

I would also like to add a correction to what you say about the John Jay Report, the period was not the year 2002, but 1950 - 2002 (52 years).

Children is a subjective term, depending on the law of the land. For now, most countries agree 18 to be the upper limit. As someone said earlier, certain groups have lobbied for it to be reduced. In this context, when people make these distinctions on age, they are trying to make a distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia.

I can say that at 12 or 13, I could not be trusted to know what was good for me. In that respect, while the body may have matured, the mind had not.

You said you couldn’t find a speck of evidence that the Pope didn’t help those 200 deaf boys. Do you have a speck of evidence to prove that he knew they were being abused?

•  On October 14, in the pages of the New York Times, reporter Paul Vitello exposed the sad extent of child sexual abuse in Brooklyn’s Orthodox Jewish community. According to the article, there were forty cases of such abuse in this tiny community last year alone. Yet the Times did not demand what it has called for incessantly when addressing the same kind of abuse by a tiny minority of priests: release of names of abusers, rollback of statute of limitations, external investigations, release of all records, and total transparency. Instead, an attorney is quoted urging law enforcement officials to recognize “religious sensitivities,” and no criticism was offered of the DA’s office for allowing Orthodox rabbis to settle these cases “internally.” Given the Catholic Church’s own recent horrible experience, I am hardly in any position to criticize our Orthodox Jewish neighbors, and have no wish to do so . . . but I can criticize this kind of “selective outrage.”
Of course, this selective outrage probably should not surprise us at all, as we have seen many other examples of the phenomenon in recent years when it comes to the issue of sexual abuse. To cite but two: In 2004, Professor Carol Shakeshaft documented the wide-spread problem of sexual abuse of minors in our nation’s public schools (the study can be found here). In 2007, the Associated Press issued a series of investigative reports that also showed the numerous examples of sexual abuse by educators against public school students. Both the Shakeshaft study and the AP reports were essentially ignored, as papers such as the New York Times only seem to have priests in their crosshairs. 
•  On October 16, Laurie Goodstein of the Times offered a front page, above-the-fold story on the sad episode of a Franciscan priest who had fathered a child. Even taking into account that the relationship with the mother was consensual and between two adults, and that the Franciscans have attempted to deal justly with the errant priest’s responsibilities to his son, this action is still sinful, scandalous, and indefensible. However, one still has to wonder why a quarter-century old story of a sin by a priest is now suddenly more pressing and newsworthy than the war in Afghanistan, health care, and starvation–genocide in Sudan. No other cleric from religions other than Catholic ever seems to merit such attention.
•  Five days later, October 21, the Times gave its major headline to the decision by the Vatican to welcome Anglicans who had requested union with Rome. Fair enough. Unfair, though, was the article’s observation that the Holy See lured and bid for the Anglicans. Of course, the reality is simply that for years thousands of Anglicans have been asking Rome to be accepted into the Catholic Church with a special sensitivity for their own tradition. As Cardinal Walter Kasper, the Vatican’s chief ecumenist, observed, “We are not fishing in the Anglican pond.” Not enough for the Times; for them, this was another case of the conniving Vatican luring and bidding unsuspecting, good people, greedily capitalizing on the current internal tensions in Anglicanism.
•  Finally, the most combustible example of all came Sunday with an intemperate and scurrilous piece by Maureen Dowd on the opinion pages of the Times. In a diatribe that rightly never would have passed muster with the editors had it so criticized an Islamic, Jewish, or African-American religious issue, she digs deep into the nativist handbook to use every anti-Catholic caricature possible, from the Inquisition to the Holocaust, condoms, obsession with sex, pedophile priests, and oppression of women, all the while slashing Pope Benedict XVI for his shoes, his forced conscription—along with every other German teenage boy—into the German army, his outreach to former Catholics, and his recent welcome to Anglicans.
True enough, the matter that triggered her spasm—the current visitation of women religious by Vatican representatives—is well-worth discussing, and hardly exempt from legitimate questioning. But her prejudice, while maybe appropriate for the Know-Nothing newspaper of the 1850’s, the Menace, has no place in a major publication today.
Bloggers like Sarah are not looking for reason or justice.  She may have had some brush with the church or she may be homosexual or have had an abortion and is looking for her own retribution.  She is the kind of person who applauds the bashing of the church.  She believes innocent until proven guilty unless it involves the Pope.  Her mea culpa regarding her behavior is not unlike her criticizing the church for their apologies.  What ever her reason , Sarah is no different than the fellow who called for bombing the Vatican.  if her pulpit were as large as his, she would be doing exactly that.

“According to Bill Donohue, boys who are 12 or 13 years old are not children.”  Do you agree with that?
I have never read where Donohue had said this.  Please provide the source for this comment so I may verify it.  Just because You said it ,dosen’t make it so.

And don’t forget ....for some, this is all about the money

I don’t expect Sarah to read this since it does put things in some kind of perspective.
According to a survey by the Washington Post, over the last four decades, less than 1.5 percent of the estimated 60,000 or more men who have served in the Catholic clergy have been accused of child sexual abuse.[iv]  According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse.[v]  ]
Almost all the priests who abuse children are homosexuals.  Dr. Thomas Plante, a psychologist at Santa Clara University, found that “80 to 90% of all priests who in fact abuse minors have sexually engaged with adolescent boys, not prepubescent children. 
Much has been made of a survey done by the Dallas Morning News which claims that two-thirds of the nation’s bishops have allowed priests accused of sexual abuse to continue working.  But the problem with the survey is its definition of abuse—it includes everything from “ignoring warnings about suspicious behavior” to “criminal convictions.”[xii]  Thus, the survey is of limited utility.

MINISTERS
The data on the Protestant clergy tend to focus on sexual abuse in general, not on sexual abuse of children.  What has been reported has been quite revealing.
In a 1984 survey, 38.6 percent of ministers reported sexual contact with a church member, and 76 percent knew of another minister who had had sexual intercourse with a parishioner.[xiii]  In the same year, a Fuller Seminary survey of 1,200 ministers found that 20 percent of theologically “conservative” pastors admitted to some sexual contact outside of marriage with a church member.  The figure jumped to over 40 percent for “moderates”; 50 percent of “liberal” pastors confessed to similar behavior.[xiv]
In 1990, in a study by the Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith and Ethics in Chicago, it was learned that 10 percent of ministers said they had had an affair with a parishioner and about 25 percent admitted some sexual contact with a parishioner.[xv]  Two years later, a survey byLeadership magazine found that 37 percent of ministers confessed to having been involved in “inappropriate sexual behavior” with a parishioner.[xvi]
In a 1993 survey by the Journal of Pastoral Care, 14 percent of Southern Baptist ministers said they had engaged in “inappropriate sexual behavior,” and 70 percent said they knew a minister who had had such contact with a parishioner.[xvii]  Joe E. Trull is co-author of the 1993 book, Ministerial Ethics, and he found that “from 30 to 35 percent of ministers of all denominations admit to having sexual relationships—from inappropriate touching to sexual intercourse—outside of marriage.”[xviii]
According to a 2000 report to the Baptist General Convention in Texas, “The incidence of sexual abuse by clergy has reached ‘horrific proportions.’” It noted that in studies done in the 1980s, 12 percent of ministers had “engaged in sexual intercourse with members” and nearly 40 percent had “acknowledged sexually inappropriate behavior.”  The report concluded that “The disturbing aspect of all research is that the rate of incidence for clergy exceeds the client-professional rate for physicians and psychologists.”[xix]  Regarding pornography and sexual addiction, a national survey disclosed that about 20 percent of all ministers are involved in the behavior.[xx]
In the spring of 2002, when the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church was receiving unprecedented attention, the Christian Science Monitorreported on the results of national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources.  The conclusion: “Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.”[xxi]
Finally, in the authoritative work by Penn State professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priests, it was determined that between .2 and 1.7 percent of priests are pedophiles.  The figure among the Protestant clergy ranges between 2 and 3 percent.[xxii]

OTHER CLERGY AND PROFESSIONALS
Rabbi Arthur Gross Schaefer is a professor of law and ethics at Loyola Marymount University.  It is his belief that sexual abuse among rabbis approximates that found among the Protestant clergy.  “Sadly,” Rabbi Schaefer concludes, “our community’s reactions up to this point have been often based on keeping things quiet in an attempt to do ‘damage control.’  Fear of lawsuits and bad publicity have dictated an atmosphere of hushed voices and outrage against those who dare to break ranks by speaking out.”[xxiii]
Rabbi Joel Meyers, executive vice president of the Conservative Rabbinical Assembly, reports that 30 percent of rabbis who changed positions in 2000 did so involuntarily, and that sexual abuse was a factor in many instances.[xxiv]  The Awareness Center devotes an entire website to “Clergy Abuse: Rabbis, Cantors & Other Trusted Officials.”  It is a detailed and frank look at the problem of sexual abuse by rabbis.[xxv]
The problem of sexual abuse in the Jehovah’s Witnesses is evident among church elders but most of the abuse comes from congregation members. “The victims who have stepped forward are mostly girls and young women,” writes Laurie Goodstein in the New York Times, “and many accusations involve incest.”  There is a victims support group available, “silentlambs,” that has collected more than 5,000 Witnesses contending that the church mishandled child sexual abuse.[xxvi]
According to one study, .2 percent of athletic coaches nationwide have a criminal record of some sort of sexual offense.  This translates to about 6,000 coaches in the U.S. who have been tried and found guilty of sexual offense against children.[xxvii]  It is not known how many more offenders have escaped the reach of law enforcement.
Between 3 and 12 percent of psychologists have had sexual contact with their clients.  While today virtually every state considers sexual contact with a client as worthy of revoking a psychologist’s license, as recently as 1987 only 31 percent of state licensing boards considered sexual relations between a psychologist and his or her patient grounds for license revocation.[xxviii]  What makes this statistic so interesting is that many bishops in the 1980s took the advice of psychologists in handling molesting priests.

TEACHERS
The American Medical Association found in 1986 that one in four girls, and one in eight boys, are sexually abused in or out of school before the age of 18.  Two years later, a study included in The Handbook on Sexual Abuse of Children, reported that one in four girls, and one in six boys, is sexually abused by age 18.[xxix]  It was reported in 1991 that 17.7 percent of males who graduated from high school, and 82.2 percent of females, reported sexual harassment by faculty or staff during their years in school.  Fully 13.5 percent said they had sexual intercourse with their teacher.[xxx]
In New York City alone, at least one child is sexually abused by a school employee every day.  One study concluded that more than 60 percent of employees accused of sexual abuse in the New York City schools were transferred to desk jobs at district offices located inside the schools.  Most of these teachers are tenured and 40 percent of those transferred are repeat offenders.  They call it “passing the garbage” in the schools.  One reason why this exists is due to efforts by the United Federation of Teachers to protect teachers at the expense of children.[xxxi]  Another is the fact that teachers accused of sexual misconduct cannot be fired under New York State law.[xxxii]
One of the nation’s foremost authorities on the subject of the sexual abuse of minors in public schools is Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft.  In 1994, Shakeshaft and Audrey Cohan did a study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York City.  Their findings are astounding.
All of the accused admitted sexual abuse of a student, but none of the abusers was reported to the authorities, and only 1 percent lost their license to teach.  Only 35 percent suffered negative consequences of any kind, and 39 percent chose to leave their school district, most with positive recommendations.  Some were even given an early retirement package.[xxxiii]
Moving molesting teachers from school district to school district is a common phenomenon.  And in only 1 percent of the cases do superintendents notify the new school district.[xxxiv]  According to Diana Jean Schemo, the term “passing the trash” is the preferred jargon among educators.[xxxv]
Shakeshaft has also determined that 15 percent of all students have experienced some kind of sexual misconduct by a teacher between kindergarten and 12th grade; the behaviors range from touching to forced penetration.[xxxvi]  She and Cohan also found that up to 5 percent of teachers sexually abuse children.[xxxvii]  Shakeshaft will soon be ready to release the findings of a vast study undertaken for the Planning and Evaluation Service Office of the Undersecretary, U.S. Department of Education, titled, “Educator Sexual Misconduct with Students: A Synthesis of Existing Literature on Prevalence in Connection with the Design of a National Analysis.”[xxxviii]

LindsB’s post ought to be the last word here (except mine) her post in entireity ought to be broadcast all across this nation—sent to every media source of every kind and any importance and our prayers ought to be for those media sources, finally now faced with the TRUTH of this matter, ought to be affected and infected in conscience, and ought to be moved to confess their ignorance.

Bin Laden advocates smashing the West. His supporters heed and obey. So the west goes after him.

Pope after Pope denounces sexual sin and advocates chastity and purity (for which teaching they are routinely ridiculed in the secular press). A fraction of “followers” don’t in fact follow, but directly disobey this teaching, inflicting serious damage. So we should go after him, too?

Thanks, Matt, for the blog.  Mr. Ellis’ little media work was unbecoming not only a journalist, but a human being. Calling for the burning of the Vatican, the machine-gunning of the Pope, and the razing of Italy is more than terrorists say.  Also, every one of those calls to arms is not only criminal, but gravely sinful and unjust.
The Pope was responsible for streamlining the processing of the accusations by moving it to the CDF (it wasn’t always there, and it wasn’t as efficient before).  Is that why we should pull an Al Capone?  The Pope is calm, quiet, but not inactive.  The Mafia and the liberal media don’t like him precisely for that - just as they didn’t like JPII’s 25 years in Rome (and the Commies before that in Poland). By the way, that’s why Nero crucified Peter.

Also, note that the same media that attacks Benedict now for being “lenient” is the same media that attacked him as prefect of the CDF for being too “strict”.  As a parallel, the same media that praised the capture of Saddam Hussein and the ousting of the Taliban condemns every action that comes out of the Middle Eastern campaigns now, practically villanizing those brave soldiers from various countries.  What does the mainstream media actually care about?

I thought posting terroristic threats was a crime in Australia, or does that not apply to Catholics.

Where to begin?

Bill Donohue appeared on Larry King on April 2nd.  He said that the priests are gay and most of the victims are post-pubescent, not children.  He says the relationships are between gay men.  Sinead O’Connor asks how old is post-pubescent.  The stunned viewers hear Bill Donohue say 12 or 13.  Jaws drop and Larry goes quickly to commercial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhr_Wy-aAtA

Bill Donohue again on Larry King on March 30th promotes the Fr. Brundage fraud, discussed earlier in this thread.  Fr. Brundage was in charge of the church trial authorized by the Vatican of Murphy and the Wisconsin deaf boys.  Fr. Brundage stated that the trial was never stopped and that Murphy was on trial the day he died.  He indignantly stated that the New York Times never contacted him for his comments.  A few days letter, the New York Times published the letter that Fr. Brundage drafted for Archbishop Weakland ending the trial.  Fr. Brundage sheepishly conceded that he had completely “mis-remembered” the facts.  He totally forgot that he himself wrote the letter that ended the trial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QwuWSEgZvQ

Bill Donohue again, this time in an Irish broadcast debating the matter with Colm O’Gorman, shocks the Irish public with his continued promotion of his Catholic idea that fondling children and what-not isn’t near as bad as people are saying.

Listen to Bill Donohue in all his graceless glory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKLlxAgMO-w&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvLPLGHD_OI&feature=player_embedded

See it and weep for the Catholic children who are considered, and I suppose expected to be, sexual adults.

Sarah,
What Bill Donohue is stating is not an attempt to gloss over the problem, he is simply attempting to define what the problem is so that it can never happen again.

Figuring out the age of most of the victims is necessary to understand the nature of the problem, solving the problem, and making sure it never happens again.

Thanks, matt.  Do you believe that the Irish bought that?  Or, I guess, according to LindaB’s philosophy, the Irish must all be homosexuals or women who have had abortions.

Regarding Fr. Brundage, I find some of your statements to draw too many conclusions with just the given facts.

He rescinded one of his statements, not all of them. What he said in defense of the Pope still stands and has been affirmed by others.

The letter in question did not end the trial but was a statement that the trial had been ended. Fr. Brundage didn’t end the trial. Bishop Weakland did.

Priests make a promise to be obedient to their bishops, if it is not morally wrong. Their bishops ask them to draft a letter stating a fact, they do so.

His reasons for misremembering seem reasonable: the event being 12-14 years ago; there being no record when trying to reconstruct; and, Fr. Murphy dying a few days later, fusing the two events. Now these may or may not be lies. Do you have a reason besides him being a Catholic priest that makes you believe they are lies?

Timescale: draft, 15th Aug; letter sent 19th, priest died 21st.
In charity, I can assume that he did not like abating the trial. Maybe he was drafting a follow up appeal under his own name. Maybe he protested heavily with the bishop. But I could be wrong on all counts, because these are just assumptions. I have no proof. No more than I have proof that he lied.

Indeed, just because I said it doesn’t make it so.

And, indeed, just because I am repulsed by rape of Catholic children doesn’t make me a homosexual or a woman who has had abortions. 

In fact, I rather dislike the prevalence of homosexuals in our society today, most of whom I have met have roots in the Catholic Church, which Church’s hidden agenda is promoting homosexuality while constantly demonizing heterosexuality outside of marriage, within the priesthood, after divorce, and even within marriage itself

The prohibition of birth control is an absolute attack on heterosexuality.  The Church’s advice to married couples is don’t have sex unless you want tons of babies or unless you want to take your temperature throughout the day to make sure that you don’t have sex near ovulation which is the time that God made all human beings to seek the opposite sex.  The Catholic Church requires married couples to attempt to overcome God’s creation by doing the opposite, refusing to seek intimacy with each other during the time that God intended marital intimacy to occur.  And the punishment for following God’s creation is that the couple must bear far more children than they can possibly take care of.  Ultimately, the only way for a Catholic married couple to provide for the children that they have is to go against God’s plan and stop having sex.  Which obviously doesn’t work because God didn’t create the human body to sleep with the opposite sex and refuse to have sex.  So perversions have to emerge in the absence of the availability of heterosexual sex with one’s spouse or with someone of the opposite sex outside of marriage.  Hence, homosexuality and seeking sex with children who, in the view of the Catholic Church, don’t count.

Why was Fr. Brundage so indignant about the New York Times’ supposed faulty reporting if he himself would have been a faulty reporter had he been contacted by the New York Times?  Ultimately everything the New York Times published regarding the deaf boys and Murphy in Wisconsin was true.  The man died a priest in full garb.  The deaf boys were never acknowledged by the Vatican, although the Vatican had full knowledge of them.  The deaf boys had to go on year after year signing and pleading, struggling to find a way to communicate what happened to them, drawing pictures, etc., while the Vatican sat silent and stoic with full knowledge of what went on there in Wisconsin.  The silence of the Vatican as these disabled boys struggled showed nothing but contempt for these children.  Tell me, do we really need to know what the ages of these boys were in order to determine just how heinous these 200 crimes were?

As a Catholic, I do not dislike homosexuals, but the practice of homosexuality. People with an attraction to the same sex are human beings just like children are human beings and they deserve the same level of dignity, respect and care.

The Church’s teaching and reasoning is best summed up in Humanae Vitae, which sadly many Catholics disagree with and go consciously against.

There is an agenda to promote homosexuality. Indeed, this is evident in secular society, where even expressing a view against homosexuality, not homosexuals, can get you fired from your job. But this is not the Church’s agenda and never has been.

Celibacy is a wonderful freedom and many priests have affirmed this. It allows them to do what they started out to do: lay down their lives completely for the people. Yes, there are married priests, but neither are they unhappy and they manage to juggle their responsibilities both to their family and the people.

As a single person, I do not feel my heterosexuality is being demonized. In fact I feel free that I don’t have to run from sexual encounter to sexual encounter to feel intimate and close to someone. It is a mistaken notion that a sexual encounter is the only way to experience intimacy.

Even “having sex” is a one-dimensional way of expressing the marital act, which is why “making love” was in use. Sex speaks of a physical intimacy. But human beings are also rational and can have a spiritual intimacy. Sharing your innermost thoughts and feelings, pouring out your entire self. That is a spiritual intimacy. That is what binds married couples together even when the sex drive dies out. That and their love expressed in their children. The physical intimacy can also be had, to a lesser degree, by close contact: holding hands, cuddling, etc.

The Church’s advice stems from a spiritual background. Children are a blessing not a disease. A joy not a punishment. Sex is both for pleasure and is open to the possibility of procreation. After all human beings are not irrational animals. We can control ourselves. And we acknowledge our responsibilities.

I would suggest that instead, contraceptives are an attack on heterosexuality because they attempt to impede a natural process, a natural heterosexual process.

I do not know Fr. Brundage, so I can not presume, even a tiny bit, to know his thoughts and feelings.

Speaking for myself, if someone wrote a story mentioning me, and attributed things to me that I don’t remember saying or doing, I would be indignant, especially if I disagreed with them morally and it was my duty to teach on morality.

Again, a timescale: NY times article, 24th March; Fr Brundage’s original statements, 29th March, contacted with draft, 2nd April; rescinded statement, 3rd April. The reporter who gave the draft (Annysa Johnson, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel) is different from the one in the original article (Laurie Goodstein). Why did Ms Goodstein not contact Fr Brundage herself with proof that he drafted the letter?

Fr Murphy may have been in full garb, but he had no active duties. This was before 2001 and the procedure for laicization was still lengthy and complicated. We don’t know what might have happened down the line. The Vatican might have disagreed with the bishop for dismissing the case. And any other stream of possibilities.

The bishop was ensuring that the victims were being compensated and given counseling, at least according to the Bishop’s letter. It seems he was also writing letters back to the victims. I’m not sure what the Vatican could do to add to this - they were supporting in the internal matters.

I would like to point out that the NY times article states, “Father Murphy ... got a pass from the police and prosecutors who ignored reports from his victims, according to the documents and interviews with victims”.

No, I don’t think we need to know the ages of the children. Neither do we need to sit around arguing whether they were children, or adolescents or anything else. They were vulnerable and they were abused by someone they trusted, that’s what matters.

Sarah has seen fit to throw in our teaching on family planning - well, as a NFP woman - I will openly state that my marriage is more healthy and vibrant than she imagines.  She has not met many of us (sad but probably true) or she would not paint us so poorly. 

We are more than able to take care of all of our children and we are very content with both the quality and quantity of our intimacy. 

A real reading of the why and how of the Church’s teaching will reveal that it is not the perversion she believes but birth control is.  Birth control insists on a lack of self control, the maiming and/or removal of healthy tissue all in response to a lack of a little self-control.

A woman who learns how her fertility waxes and wanes throughout the month without the interference of chemical or devices is a fierce woman and the man who loves her (all of her) is a stronger man for his commitment.

Let us stick to the essence of the article which claims - rightly - that much of the world’s media has been unceasingly vitrolic in its attacks on the Church while turning a blind eye to victims in many other areas and industries.

When was the last time you ever heard a piece on the horrors of child pornography, child sex slaves, and child soldiers.  These horrors exist every day while the numbers of the evil done by the Church has diminished almost to the point of non-existence.

We are sorry and will always be so - until Christ returns and through both His justice and mercy - makes a full and accurate accounting of our sins.  We will continue to do penance and seek healing to those hurt until He returns.

@SarahTX2
I just couldn’t believe that Bill Donohue actually said what you characterized him as saying.  So, I followed YOUR links, to what the conversation actually was.  You totally mischaracterized what he said, and what his point was.  Most of the interview had all 4 guests making valid points (although I felt some points of view were based on misinformation.)  At the end of the interview, one guest (the man, who had been abused by a priest,) said that the sexual abuse had nothing to do with homosexuality, because homosexuals are looking for other adults.  His comment came out of no-where, and I took it as the “see, we told you Priests should be allowed to marry.  These kinds of things wouldn’t happen if they could be married” argument.
It was AT THIS POINT that Donohue said “It has EVERYTHING to do with homosexuality.  These were postpubesent boys that were abused (meaning predatory homosexuals would victimize them.) 
It’s NOT a case of these Priests that abused boys would not have abused them if they would have been allowed to marry!  A heterosexual male is not going to rape young boys!  A HOMOSEXUAL is!  Have you ever heard of the horrific “man/boy love” homosexual organization?  It’s a homosexual problem. 
Donohue was NOT say “it’s OK to rape these boys because they are old enough” the way you imply. 
And, in fact he was asked that very question from the other guest.  In response Donohue said “how can you even make such a scurrilous comment?”
Websters Dictionary:
scur•ril•ous
–adjective
grossly or obscenely abusive such as “a scurrilous attack on they mayor”

—Synonyms
1. vituperative, insulting, offensive. 2. vulgar.

Nice try, SarahTX2.  Might need a little more smoke, and a few more mirrors to pull it off next time!

Mike in KC, MO on Thursday, Apr 15, 2010 8:51 AM (EST):wrote, “Why yes, I am stereotyping. I mean, if that’s what he’s gonna do, why not do it in kind?”
I answer, “Because we are to imitate Christ, not those doing Satan’s work.”

Jon White

I would agree with you if I thought Mike in KC, MO was serious.  Mike is using humor to highlight the error of Ellis’s thought process.

To do so with humor doesn’t make it “Satan’s work.” 

I think you mistook what he said.

If we go by depravity and destroying the pure innocence of youth, then almost all televison, films, radios, “artists” etc these days should be so treated as he wishes to treat the pope. They do more harm in robbing our youth of their innocence and setting up a culture where it is accepted than anyone ever di in the church.

There is undoubtedly a double standard by left leaning people when judging the Roman Catholic Church and when judging, lets say, Islam. It is politically correct to associate the Catholic Church with child abuse, but it is Islamophobia to associate Islam and terrorism. And I have not heard of any liberal outrage so far about that form of child abuse so common and legal in much of the Muslim Middle East which is the forced marriage of underage girls. Some liberal commenters to this post have expressed annoyance to Catholics´ complaints of unfair treatment by the media, but when someone dares criticize Islam and as a result Moslems claim victimhood, liberals are the first to support those claims

BOMBS OVER ROME

Disgusting, these twisted priests.
I would smile if every last parish perished in a smoking blaze.
So let the bombs fly right into the heart of the holy city.
Because what more harm can they do to a child.
Next time eat his little heart.
Break into his will and tear his entire life apart.
It makes me sick, a spiritual leader who can’t even control his own dick.
To what extent does forgiveness reach?
If pedophilic abuse and rape is the lesson that they really teach.
And they continue to preach, but my sermon is much more clear and simple…You are the scum of the earth.
Hypocrites and robbers, what more can they do to wrong the world?
Next time smash his brains out.
Psychologically !@#$% and there is never going to be a way out.
Take the family’s money, and their child’s virginity.
So I say !@#$% that !@#$% Nazi pope, there’s been a dick down Benedict’s holy throat.
Right under his nose, thousands are violated.
It is for you twisted creeps that I wish Hell actually existed so that by any and every means possible punishment for your ghastly abuse intrusion and the desecration will be shot right up your righteous assholes.
You make me !@#$% sick.
I say let the bombs fly, right into your houses of god so you can know how it feels to have your heart ripped right out.
Let the bombs fly.
No more pardons.