Hi Jimmy,

Thank you for linking to the Holy See’s document on Romanis Pontificibus on my Medjugorje Documents and FAQ’s page which was just translated into English last year. It shows is not a dispute between the Bishop and the Franciscans, but actually a dispute the Franciscans have with the Holy See.  This is indirectly tied to Medjugorje.

Retired University of Montreal researcher, Louis Belanger, who has studied Medjugorje for decades has a site with posts that are deeply analytyical.  Here is one example where Louis explores the question of “three more days” of apparitions.  Belanger focuses on the early days - which is as close to the flashpoint as one can get, and uses recordings made in the early 80’s involving the visionaries. This may not seem relevant today amidst all the “good fruits”, but the Church looks at fruits and events separately, with the latter being the primary focus.  Belanger also recently “fisked” an article by Italian journalist, Andrea Tornielli. Here is Louis Belanger’s homepage (French readers note a section in that language at the top). 

Another good source of information is that of Italian researcher, Marco Corvaglia, who has an english section.  Marco also has an analytical-based focus on documents.  For example, he offers something which appeared on the Diocese of Mostar Duvno website some months ago which was approved for release recently: “The Scientific Tests on the Medjugorje Seers: A Critical Study by Prof. Theophile Kammerer, President of the Lourdes International Medical Committee (1986)”. Here is Marco’s English homepage.  http://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medjugorje-en/home.html

I’d like to also like to point to British Author, Donal Foley’s homepage.  He is the author of Medjugorje Revisited: 30 Years of Visions or Religious Fraud?  Donal recently wrote an article for The Wanderer: Medjugorje: Why weren’t we told?

Church documents on Medjugorje:
http://chonak.tripod.com/documents/medj_index.html

I remain a skeptic on the authenticity of Medjugorje unless the Church rules otherwise, for a couple of reasons. The speech pattern just does not “sound” like the Blessed Mother; it is also hard to believe that the Virgin Mary is sending regular messages over such an extended period.

I thank God that He is still sending His Daughter down to us at Medjugorje. It is so sad that people are deaf &/or blind to what is going on. I wonder if Amy or the few other naysayers have actually read what Our Blessed Mother has been saying for all these years? I guess when she tells us to pray (especially the Mass & the Rosary), it must be threatening to the life styles of these people. Yes, Our Lady said: Pray the Mass, not just attend it & to be quiet & respectful in the Presence of Her Son. What is going on in the few remaining churches that we still have: immodest dress, brainless chatter, ignoring Jesus in the Tabernacle (if we can even locate it), coming into Mass late and/or leaving Mass early (the first one to leave Mass early was Judas & where is he now?), not FASTING before Mass., etc.. I am not concerned about the happenings over there, just ALL of the good fruits that are being realized: people going to confession, healings, new Priests & Sisters (the ones that wear habits & move into Convents). Thank you Blessed Mother for being so patient with us, your children.  +JMJ+

No, JMJ.  It is when Our Lady is alleged to have said that all religions are equal to Her Son that we are skeptical.  A funny thing for the Mother of the Church to say, the very same one that stood at the Foot of the Cross and suffered more than we can ever know in this life, in order to give birth to the Catholic Church - the very Church which is the one and only true Church, and outside of which there is NO salvation.
Every alleged apparition says the same - “good fruits”.  We have many followers of the late Veronica Leuken in our diocese who say the very same thing - “good fruits”.

@ Veronica. I don’t know where you got the idea that Our Lady said that all religions are equal to her Son.  That is not in the Medjugorje messages.  She did say that one of the holiest people in the village was a little old Muslim woman, from which critics of Medjugorje have concluded that the message was “All religions are the same”.  But we should not be shocked by such a statement nor come to groundless conclusions, after all Jesus himself said in the Gospel that a pagan Roman centurion had more faith than the Jews.

JMJ, If there were not any so called good fruits, then no one would have ever believed in the apparitions.  Your ignoring the bad fruits one of which is the division it has caused in the Church.  I used to believe in Medjugorje and read the books in the early days.  There were several red flags in the back of my mind that I ignored for a while.  The one where our Blessed Mother was suppose to have said that all religions are the same in the eyes of God, was the main one.  This was from one of the seers in the early 80’s.  Another one was their description of heaven.  It did not sound like anything very special at all and the colors were certainly lacking in beauty from their description of it.  How can the Church rule on Medjugorje when it never ends?  The Church has already said several times that there is nothing super natural happening.  What more do you need? I wish I could understand why the pro Medjugorje crowd did not ever listen to the Bishop.  Their statements were, well he was a bad bishop.  That doesn’t fly with me.  He was the authority and another red flag is, why didn’t our Blessed Mother convince the bishop in all these years like she did at Lourdes and Fatima and other apparitions sites?

Bonnie, good points.

I myself have been interested in this topic since the mid to late 1990’s when I ordered and read E.Michael Davie’s book about the apparitions called “The Deception” In it he talks about the early history of that country and area and also the dispute between the diocese and the local Franciscans in the late 1970’s. Also there were the issues of possible manipulation of the alleged seers and even scandals involving a certain priest where the “phenomenon” were happening as well as other problems with credibility. At that time Mr. Jones was sent many hostile letters from pilgrims who wished him dead simply for stating these things. I also am aware that Patrick Madrid also has spoken on this and to me the big role the Charismatic Renewal has in this is very suspect for me.

How about the bloody handkerchief?  Another odd occurrence.

Having listened to Jimmy Akin, it is clear the Holy See has not approved the Medjugorje Apparitions as supernatural. Any faithful Catholic knows that Obedience to the Church Authority on such matters if imperative and non-negotiable. We need to question why the Medjugorje devotees cannot and will not respect or accept the Catholic Church Authorities’ decisions - from the Local Ordinary all the way to the Vatican. In the history of the Catholic Church, obedience to the Magisterium of the Church is mandatory. The Message Jesus Christ gave to Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska about the Divine Mercy Devotion had to wait for Church approval from 1931 up to 1978.  The Magisterium, rightly suspended the Divine Mercy Devotion for 20 whole years until proper and exhaustive investigations were done and the authenticity of the Message confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. The Church had to be fully satisfied that the Messages, the Devotions, the Divine Mercy Chaplet dictated by Jesus to Saint Faustina; The complete Diary of St. Faustina “Divine Mercy in My Soul” dictated by Jesus Christ Himself; The Novena for the Feast of Divine Mercy - again dictated to St. Faustina by Jesus Christ Himself; His Will to have the Feast of Divine Mercy promulgated for the Universal Catholic Church on the First Sunday After Easter were proved Authentic and the Formal Approval from the Holy See to fulfill to the letter Christ’s Will was concluded on 30th April, 2000 when Blessed Pope John Paul II Canonized St. Faustina and Solemnly promulgated the Feast of the Divine Mercy for the Universal Church. That for all these years, the Medjugorje devotees continue to defy the Authority of the Catholic Church is evidence enough that this phenomena IS NOT FROM GOD. The Catholic Church is exercising Her Holy Duty by forbidding any treatment of Medjugorje phenomena as Supernatural or from God because it is not.

Having listened to Jimmy Akin, it is clear the Holy See has not approved the Medjugorje Apparitions as supernatural. Any faithful Catholic knows that Obedience to the Church Authority on such matters if imperative and non-negotiable. We need to question why the Medjugorje devotees cannot and will not respect or accept the Catholic Church Authorities’ decisions - from the Local Ordinary all the way to the Vatican. In the history of the Catholic Church, obedience to the Magisterium of the Church is mandatory. The Message Jesus Christ gave to Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska about the Divine Mercy Devotion had to wait for Church approval from 1931 up to 1978.  The Magisterium, rightly suspended the Divine Mercy Devotion for 20 whole years until proper and exhaustive investigations were done and the authenticity of the Message confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. The Church had to be fully satisfied that the Messages; The Image of Divine Mercy; the Devotions; the Divine Mercy Chaplet dictated by Jesus to Saint Faustina; The complete Diary of St. Faustina “Divine Mercy in My Soul” dictated by Jesus Christ Himself; The Novena for the Feast of Divine Mercy - again dictated to St. Faustina by Jesus Christ Himself; The Hour of Great Mercy; His Will to have the Feast of Divine Mercy promulgated for the Universal Catholic Church on the First Sunday After Easter were proved Authentic and the Formal Approval from the Holy See to fulfill to the letter Christ’s Will was concluded on 30th April, 2000 when Blessed Pope John Paul II Canonized St. Faustina and Solemnly promulgated the Feast of the Divine Mercy for the Universal Church. That for all these years, the Medjugorje devotees continue to defy the Authority of the Catholic Church is evidence enough that this phenomena IS NOT FROM GOD. The Catholic Church is exercising Her Holy Duty by forbidding any treatment of Medjugorje phenomena as Supernatural or from God because it is not.

We all need to question why the Medjugorje devotees cannot and will not respect or accept the Catholic Church Authorities’ decisions - from the Local Ordinary all the way to the Vatican. In the history of the Catholic Church, obedience to the Magisterium of the Church is mandatory. The Message Jesus Christ gave to Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska about the Divine Mercy Devotion had to wait for Church approval from 1931 up to 1978.  The Magisterium, rightly suspended the Divine Mercy Devotion for 20 whole years until proper and exhaustive investigations were done and the authenticity of the Message confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. The Church had to be fully satisfied that the Messages; The Image of Divine Mercy; the Devotions; the Divine Mercy Chaplet dictated by Jesus to Saint Faustina; The complete Diary of St. Faustina “Divine Mercy in My Soul” dictated by Jesus Christ Himself; The Novena for the Feast of Divine Mercy - again dictated to St. Faustina by Jesus Christ Himself; The Hour of Great Mercy; His Will to have the Feast of Divine Mercy promulgated for the Universal Catholic Church on the First Sunday After Easter were proved Authentic and the Formal Approval from the Holy See to fulfill to the letter Christ’s Will was concluded on 30th April, 2000 when Blessed Pope John Paul II Canonized St. Faustina and Solemnly promulgated the Feast of the Divine Mercy for the Universal Church. That for all these years, the Medjugorje devotees continue to defy the Authority of the Catholic Church is evidence enough that this phenomena IS NOT FROM GOD. The Catholic Church is exercising Her Holy Duty by forbidding any treatment of Medjugorje phenomena as Supernatural or from God because it is not. The fact that Charismatics are in the forefront of defying the Church Authority is enough evidence that these so-called apparitions are not authentic Heavenly Private Revelations.

We all need to question why the Medjugorje devotees cannot and will not respect or accept the Catholic Church Authorities’ decisions - from the Local Ordinary all the way to the Vatican. In the history of the Catholic Church, strict obedience to the Magisterium, particularly in the case of Private Revelations, is mandatory. The Message Jesus Christ gave to Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska about the Divine Mercy Devotion had to wait for Church approval from 1931 up to 1978.  The Magisterium, rightly suspended the Divine Mercy Devotion for 20 whole years until proper and exhaustive investigations were done and the authenticity of the Message confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. The Church had to be fully satisfied that the Messages; The Image of Divine Mercy; the Devotions; the Divine Mercy Chaplet dictated by Jesus to Saint Faustina; The complete Diary of St. Faustina “Divine Mercy in My Soul” dictated by Jesus Christ Himself; The Novena for the Feast of Divine Mercy - again dictated to St. Faustina by Jesus Christ Himself; The Hour of Great Mercy; His Will to have the Feast of Divine Mercy promulgated for the Universal Catholic Church on the First Sunday After Easter were proved Authentic and the Formal Approval from the Holy See to fulfill to the letter Christ’s Will was concluded on 30th April, 2000 when Blessed Pope John Paul II Canonized St. Faustina and Solemnly promulgated the Feast of the Divine Mercy for the Universal Church. That for all these years, the Medjugorje devotees continue to defy the Authority of the Catholic Church is evidence enough that this phenomena IS NOT FROM GOD. The Catholic Church is exercising Her Holy Duty by forbidding any treatment of Medjugorje phenomena as Supernatural or from God because it is not. The fact that Charismatics are in the forefront of defying the Church Authority is enough evidence that these so-called apparitions are not authentic Heavenly Private Revelations.

We all need to question why the Medjugorje devotees cannot and will not respect or accept the Catholic Church Authorities’ decisions - from the Local Ordinary all the way to the Vatican. In the history of the Catholic Church, strict obedience to the Magisterium, particularly in the case of Private Revelations, is mandatory. The Message Jesus Christ gave to Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska about the Divine Mercy Devotion had to wait for Church approval from 1931 up to 1978.  The Magisterium, rightly suspended the Divine Mercy Devotion for 20 whole years until proper and exhaustive investigations were done and the authenticity of the Message confirmed beyond any shadow of doubt. The Church had to be fully satisfied that the Messages; The Image of Divine Mercy; the Devotions; the Divine Mercy Chaplet dictated by Jesus to Saint Faustina; The complete Diary of St. Faustina “Divine Mercy in My Soul” dictated by Jesus Christ Himself; The Novena for the Feast of Divine Mercy - again dictated to St. Faustina by Jesus Christ Himself; The Hour of Great Mercy; His Will to have the Feast of Divine Mercy promulgated for the Universal Catholic Church on the First Sunday After Easter were finally proved Authentic and the Formal Approval from the Holy See to fulfill to the letter Christ’s Will was concluded on 30th April, 2000 when Blessed Pope John Paul II Canonized St. Faustina and Solemnly promulgated the Feast of the Divine Mercy for the Universal Church. That for all these years, the Medjugorje devotees continue to defy the Authority of the Catholic Church is evidence enough that this phenomena IS NOT FROM GOD. The Catholic Church is exercising Her Holy Duty by forbidding any treatment of Medjugorje phenomenon as Supernatural or from God. The fact that Charismatics are in the forefront of defying the Church Authority is enough evidence that these so-called apparitions are not authentic Heavenly Private Revelations.

“We all need to question…”
If you look at history, you’ll see that Christ does not work for the Pope or the Bishops.  He will choose to inject what He wants, where He wants.  Think about Padre Pio - the Church did not like Padre Pio at all - and yet Christ allowed Padre Pio to bi-locate all over the place, including the Vatican, even when the Pope had demanded that Padre Pio stay isolated.

I wonder why people choose to brush aside the astounding miracles taking place in Medjugorje.  Messing around with the sun is spectacular.  And yet, people still question…  Given the messages, no matter what, this is all done in the next 40 years regardless.  In the meanwhile, I’ll “Pray, Pray, Pray”

I don’t think it’s wise to compare those seers at Medj. to Padre Pio.
Padre Pio was a very holy man and your right about the Church not wanting so much attention concerning him at the time.  Padre Pio would never have disobeyed his bishop the way these seers did.  I still have no doubt that if the Bless Mother has ever appeared at Medj., she would have convinced the bishop.  She has had 30 years to do that and has not. Doesn’t that make you wonder why at least?  We all need to pray pray pray.  I wish I could count the times that message has been said in 30 years.  I don’t think our Blessed Mother would repeat herself so much.  Her words are too precious to repeat thousands and thousands of times.  She does not talk just to hear herself talk.  I’ll never believe that and I think it’s a sin to believe that about her.  The so called sun miracles are not miracles but a natural phenomenon that has happened forever in that part of the world.  Let the Church guide you and you’ll never go wrong.  The commissions have said more than once that nothing super natural is happening.  Believe them.

Our Blessed Mother would never undermine the Church and the local bishop, as she is alleged to have done at Medj.
This thread has prompted me to reread E. Michael Jones’ book.  All of you Medj devotees should give it a read.  You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I know what I & all the Others witnessed on our Pilgrimage to Medjugorje
Oct.28/98. On our way home just outside Croatia ( near a church & graveyard)all of us saw Blessed Mother, Angels,the Cross Mountain Cross close to the bus window & St. James Church following behind our bus,solid shape of st. James like fire but not being consumed.
I will never forget the detail. I will never deny what we saw. I would die rather than
dismiss this holy vision. As it is said…God bless thoes who believe & do not see and_God help thoes who have seen & not believe. We had a man on board who converted to Catholic Faith & became Ordained Priest several yrs. after…now called Rev. Dean Purdy

When God said bless those who believe but do not see was not referring to an unapproved apparition.  We as Catholics do not have to believe in any of them, although I do believe in the Church approved apparitions.  What if the Church condemns the Medj. apparitions?  Are you going to put your own belief and experience ahead of the Church’s decision?  That’s not being a good Catholic if you do.  Your experience is subjective and the Holy Mother Church does not judge on individual belief or experiences but on the whole story since the beginning.  You can see how dangerous this could be if they made their decisions based on you and others think they saw.  God also said that it is a evil and wicked generation that seeks signs and wonders to enforce their faith..  St John of the Cross says you should run from them, not embrace them before it has been tested.
No one should let anything like this cloud their judgement.  Look at the whole picture.  There are red flags all over the place.  Even if only one half of one percent is not what the Church teaches, then it’s not from God or the Blessed Mother.

Robert, Padre Pio, obeyed the Church Authority with the deepest Humility.  He submitted himself to the Church Authorities’ investigations until his Supernatural and Holy Experiences were authenticated.  They were then, formally and Solemnly accepted and approved by the Catholic Church. Our Lady of Guadalupe gave a sign to the Local Bishop to convince him Her Message was from Heaven and from Her Son. As long as the Medjugorje devotees are adamantly rejecting the Church’s Authorities, their defiance clearly demonstrates that what is going on at Medjugorje is meant to destroy the Unity of the Catholic Church.  The Holy Mother of God has never contradicted or disobeyed Her Son’s Church to which She is the Mother, too.

@Mary McCarthy (nee Connolly)-

For your discernment, I’d like to remind you of two other religions founded on ‘holy visions.’:

First, Mormanism:  The founder of the movement was Joseph Smith, Jr. He claimed that, in response to prayer, he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, as well as angels and other visions. This eventually led him to a restoration of Christian doctrine that, he said, was lost after the early Christian apostles were killed. In addition, several early leaders made marked doctrinal and leadership contributions to the movement, including Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, and Brigham Young. Modern-day revelation from God continues to be a principal belief of the Mormon faith.

Second, Islam:  Muhammad, discontented with life in Mecca, retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection. According to Islamic beliefs it was here, at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that “God is One”, that complete “surrender” to Him is the only way acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other Islamic prophets.

No one here is asking you to deny what you saw.  However, I’m sure both Joseph Smith and Muhammad would also have ‘rather died than dismiss their holy visions’ as well.  I present this to you in the hope it will give you pause, help you keep the alleged events of Medj. in their proper perspective and remain within the teaching authority of our Magisterium.

God speaks to us through his appointed apostles, the Bishop’s of our Church:

The Church, from the local to supreme level, from the beginning to this very day, has clearly and constantly repeated: Non constat de supernaturalitate! This practically means no pilgrimages are allowed that would presuppose any supernatural character to the apparitions, there exists no shrine of the Madonna and there are no authentic messages, revelations nor true visions!  + Ratko Peri?
Bishop of Mostar-Duvno

Thank you, Dismas for reminding Mary McCarthy the folly or relying solely on the so-called “miracles"and “visions”.  We are guided by Jesus Christ’s Warning in Matthew 24:24 - 26. Aware that the Era of Anti-Christ would come, Jesus left us His Church to guide us in His Truth and protect us from being led astray by False Prophets and False Apparitions and Visions. St Peter warns us that Satan does and will disguise himself as a Angel of Light to deceive the gullible. The Catholic Church has time after time, declared there are no authentic messages, revelations nor true visions at Medjugorje. Medjugorje IS NOT A SHRINE and the Holy Mother of God has never appeared there. Mary McCarthy, bear in mind these strong words from Jesus: “He who hears you, hears Me and the One Who sent Me.  He who does not hear you, does not hear Me or the One Who sent Me”. Defiance to the Catholic Church Authorities and the teachings of the Magisterium is defiance to Jesus Christ Himself and our Heavenly Father.  It is a grave sin against the Holy Spirit indwelling in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. He it is Who guides and inspires Her to ensure She shall at all times protect, preserve, proclaim and teach God’s Truth until the end of time.

Its a test message

I’m not shocked to read the Bishop of Mosart-Duvno reaction to my statement regarding Medjugorje. There are millions more from all over the World reporting to have seen Holy Visions while visiting Medjugorje.
People were also laughted at in 1917 when our Lady of Fatima appeared to the Children…is the same thing happening today to Our Lady of Medjugorje!!! And to Mary42, you assumed I went on my Pilgrimage to seek
out signs & wonders…You are also wrong about that & you are being judgemental.  Gospa is sending Her Children a message to get get closer to her Son Jesus before it’s too late. Mesjugorje is authentic & should you all feel it isn’t , well, that’s your opinion & right, just don’t critize the rest of the people in the World who don’t share your opinion.

Thank you for your post JMJ Oct31/11 regarding Medjugorje. I very much agree with you the goodness & fruits that comes from the Pilgrims & all others who have followed our Lady (MIR) for 30 years. ( So many people though Fatima was false….not so,I am proud to say). I have seen so many conversions because of Medjugorje, saying the Rosary daily, Holy Mass, Communion & peace & love for one another. I don’t hear that in the comments of non-believers of Medjugorje…I just hear critize & a strong need to remind us who do believe Blessed Mother is appearing there, that it is only in our mind. How many were laughted at when Our Lady appeared at Fatima, how many were told they were crazy!!. Thank God true believers
don’t let these negative comments make them doubt what is really happening
in the Holy Parish of Medjugorje.

Well, Mary McCarthy, you are certainly entitled to continue defying the Church Authorities who have, until now, not validated the Medjugorje phenomenon for very good reasons.  Faithful Catholics always submit to the Authority of the Church. Mary, faithful Catholics waited until the Catholic Church approved the Fatima Messages and Miracles. They did not defy the Church the way the Medjugorje Devotees continue to do.  Also bear in mind that Our Lady did not at any time, ever contradict the Teachings of the Church or defy Her Bishops. And when the Church Authorities, after thorough investigations approved the Fatima Message, She solemnly handed the Message to the Universal Church.  Your adamant defiance of the Church Authorities will certainly lead to a major Schism since the Martin Luther rebellion.  As Dismas has advised you above, God speaks to us through His appointed Apostles, the Bishop’s of our Church and the Holy Father. Obedience to them ensures Christ’s Bride remains the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic as He and the Father are One.

Mary, you need to read the book of the whole account of Fatima.  It was one of the reasons I could not accept Medjugorje as a true apparition.  There is nothing similar between the two.  You have to realize that all of these so called good fruits mean nothing when there are so many bad fruits that you are ignoring.  My brother made 18 trips to Medjugorje and was a follower and a believer in all the events.  When I asked him about the bishop saying it was a fraud, his reply was, he is a bad bishop.  How the Medjugorje crowd can make that judgement is beyond my understanding since he was a bishop in good standing with Rome.  It shows the blindness of people in accepting their own judgement as valid over the bishop’s.  Your in dangerous territory here if you want to be a faithful Catholic.  I hope you will reconsider. Another thing, if I understand it right, the Church can not approve any apparition until after it’s finished and then only after many years of studying it.  If there is a decision about Medjugorje any time soon, it will not be favorable.  Please do not make the mistake of believing that those of us who do not accept Medjugorje are not devoted to our Blessed Mother.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I just hate to see her used this way and all this disobedience attributed to her.  It truly saddens me that she has been charged with threatening one of her bishops for not accepting the apparitions.  Please take a more educated look into these events with an open mind that you could possible be wrong.  God bless you Mary, like my brother, I think your just being misled in think that all the naysayers are believing the devil instead of Mary.

Regarding comments about Padre Pio:  I have been inspired to be very faithful to the Church due to his demonstrated obedience in the face of injustice.

Yet, the people of San Giovanni Rotondo had a choice to make - did they choose to believe what they saw with their own eyes? Miraculous healing, walking over the heads of people, constantly bleeding stigmata, reading of souls, bilocation, his perfume, telling people events to come, etc…  The Church was not happy about Padre Pio, and wanted to make him go away.  The people of San Giovanni Rotondo took up arms against the Church to keep them for sticking him elsewhere.  Was the Catholic Church destroyed there? Nope.  It blossomed greatly, and all of the events there actually call protestants back to the Church.

All of us are called to discern.  I have done this myself.  And, for me, while I will continue to look for problems, the miracles taking place in Medjugorje are too awesome to ignore.

Satan disguises himself as an angel of light with no problem.  Satan is also capable of being behind your “miracles”.  It doesn’t matter how Satan gets you out of the Church as long as he does.
Obedience.  Humility.  With these two you can’t go wrong.  Submit your mind to the Church.
Our Blessed Mother would never undermine Her Son’s Church nor the bishops’ authnority.

Mary42…I simply told my experience of what occured on my pilgrimage to
Medjugorje. All of us includeing the Priest on bus that night saw the same Holy Vision. We all keep in touch & nothing bad has come out of what happened. If changing your life around & going to Mass & saying the Rosary
is the result of that…what is wrong with that. I assume you have not witnessed such, had you , you would not be so sure it isn’t authentic. Mary42, there are many priest, Brothers & Sisters that will tell you the same…we not all crazy.
However, there is a US man that calls himself “Friend of Medjugorje” Terry from Caritas, Alabama & his web site” mjlist.”. I don’t follow what he has to say. Also,I don’t like what he has to say & he is making it hard for people by confusing us to what his motive is. I follow Wayne Weiber, Ivan, Steve & Anna Shawll to get messages.
I like what Dismas said to me” keeping all in proper perspective,”. It sounds at least he understands how we may feel having witnessed such a beautiful site & trying to manage it, regardless of his own belief
  in Medjugorje. Mary42, how do you know in advance that Medjugorje will be dismissed?. Whatever happens, I love Jesus & Mother Mary & the Holy Trinity & everyone for that matter. I stayed at Visionary sisters house on another visit & during that visit all of us standing in front of Our Lady’s statue saw it change to several colors, also, the sun…some of us could look at the sun on same visit. I’m only telling you what I & others witnessed, I’m
not asking you to believe me. This was not from Satan as so much goodness has come from it. God Bless you & further more I am not a bad person….we all saw a miracle. I rarely speek of my experience unless it comes up or in this case I started reading National Catholic Register.
I go to mass everyday, say Rosary after mass, communion, confession…it hurts when you say we are not good Catholics. Actions speak louder than words. I do respect our Priest & I love our Bishop, my 2nd. cousin was active Bishop in St. John’s Nf.until his retirement…Archbishop Penney.
I don’t want Medjugorje to become an arguement among us,in my opinion that
is a sure sign the devil is trying to seperate us.

@Veronica
I totally agree that satan can disguise himself.  However, that sword will cut both ways, so we must actively discern. 

The most intense Catholic Universities in the US and Europe embrace Medjugorje.  Mother Angelica (creator of EWTN - another intensive Catholic resource) has investigated it, and decided to spread the word.

And, the Church has NOT condemned Medjurgorje.  If they leave the question open, then I will also, and I will continue to discern for myself.  I might change my mind 10 times before the Church makes a decision.  But, at this point, I intend to live the messages.

@Robert Rust -

Can you please provide proof or support for your following statement?

“The most intense Catholic Universities in the US and Europe embrace Medjugorje.  Mother Angelica (creator of EWTN - another intensive Catholic resource) has investigated it, and decided to spread the word.”

Without evidence I’m afraid I’ll have to reject your claims as nothing more than unsupported gossip and mere calumny.

Robert & Veronica, I agree with the healthy mind & attitude you both have with an open mind regarding Medjugorje. Sad to say, the unbelivers would not even give us the benifit of doubt, rather, they choose to play God & perdict their own
outcome for the parish of Medjugorje, not taking into account the numerous conversions & healings that has taken place there…

@Dimas
Good questions.

I know for certain that Franciscan University of Stubenville actively promotes Medjugorje.  I also am under the impression that Ave Maria University of Florida does as well.

There is another program in Austria that takes the students to Medjugorje each year, however, it is closely tied to the FUS.  One might argue that it’s “one in the same.”

I read the information about Mother Angelica’s support of Medjugorje in the following book:
“Mother Angelica : the remarkable story of a nun, her nerve, and a network of miracles” by Arroyo, Raymond. New York : Doubleday, c2005.

Robert, I also will continue to live the messages of Medjugorje. Mary42, read the messages our Lady would like us to live by…do thoes 5 messages sound like something satan would suggest we live by.!!!
In my opinion the only way satan would get his way, is, if unbelivers of Medjugorje continue to make us belivers feel there is no goodness coming from Blessed Mother of Medjugorje & what we saw was just in our mind or from satan, that’s sad & so judgemental. Poor Blessed Mother if everyone felt that way. I was simply stateing what I & (we all) witnessed on our pilgrimage….I didn’t ask you to believe it.

Mary42…I simply told my experience of what occured on my pilgrimage to
Medjugorje. All of us includeing the Priest on bus that night saw the same Holy Vision. We all keep in touch & nothing bad has come out of what happened. If changing your life around & going to Mass & saying the Rosary
is the result of that…what is wrong with that. I assume you have not witnessed such, had you , you would not be so sure it isn’t authentic. Mary42, there are many priest, Brothers & Sisters that will tell you the same…we not all crazy.
I follow Wayne Weiber, Ivan, Steve & Anna Shawll to get messages.
I like what Dismas said to me” keeping all in proper perspective,”. It sounds at least he understands how we may feel having witnessed such a beautiful site & trying to manage it, regardless of his own belief
  in Medjugorje. Mary42, how do you know in advance that Medjugorje will be dismissed?. Whatever happens, I love Jesus & Mother Mary & the Holy Trinity & everyone for that matter. I stayed at Visionary sisters house on another visit & during that visit all of us standing in front of Our Lady’s statue saw it change to several colors, also, the sun…some of us could look at the sun on same visit. I’m only telling you what I & others witnessed, I’m
not asking you to believe me. This was not from Satan as so much goodness has come from it. God Bless you & further more I am not a bad person….we all saw a miracle. I rarely speek of my experience unless it comes up or in this case I started reading National Catholic Register.
I go to mass everyday, say Rosary after mass, communion, confession…it hurts when you say we are not good Catholics. Actions speak louder than words. I do respect our Priest & I love our Bishop.

Mary McCarthy, God bless you!  You sound like a devout Catholic woman.  Say some prayers for me, if you would be so kind.

Veronica, I try my best. are you on facebook?

After reading the facts on the church’s stand with Medjugorje one burning question remains how can good souls be in disobedience to the bishop and church and not see it. From my limited experience these good souls truly believe they are living in accordance with the church. Look at the priest and Bishops who promote and privately speak positively on Medjugorje. But the common thread our brothers and sisters have is the Charismatic Renewal experience. They believe that faith is an experience and not a base for there experience. The experience becomes insatiable and that is why they follow one unapproved seers and apparitions to the next. We’ve all met people like this and we can see there blindness, but like them we can’t see ours, so lets pray for all that the light of God to shine in the darkness of our souls so we may see, hear and live the truth.

Mary McCarthy, no, I am not on Facebook.  I try not to get too involved with the internet as it takes me away from the “one thing necessary”!  God bless you, Mary, and please do pray for me!

Bernie, no truer words!  How well we can see what others are doing wrong and yet, believe it or not (smile!), seem not to be as clear-sighted when it comes to ourselves! Self-love blind.  Indeed, may Our Blessed Lord shine His Eternal Light on the darkness of our own souls!

Veronica, I will keep you in my prayers & that is easy for me to remember because during the mass right after the Gospel Father ask us to remember in our heart or say out loud are prayers for others. I will remember you for another reason, I have great devotion to St. Veronica for reason so close to me. I don’t go on facebook often, however, I did find some of my old school friends & went to reunion. I am taking care of very dear friend who has terminal cancer of colin & liver. Pray for him ,his name is Paul. God Bless You Veronica & I like you as if we have alreard met.
Are pictures posteted on this Catholic site. I like seening the face I’m talking with. I’m no expert using computer yet,other than business.: ))
Jesus loves us all SO-o much.

Mary, I will pray for Paul and commend him to Our Lady of Lourdes.  I commend all cancer victims that I know to Our Lady under that title.
I will remember you in my own prayers as well.  May we all become the saints we were created to become!  God bless you, dearest Mary!

Dear JMJ….your words are so refreshing about what is happening in Medjugorje. I’m not concerned either what is going on over there on a day to day basis,however,because Jesus & Blessed Mother is always in my heart & on my mind in a very healthy I am grateful for the calling I had to visit. I did’t always go to mass on regular basis ( easy for me to do because I can walk to St. Anne’s Church). So many of my friends also feel what we experienced is only because we were in a Holy Place, or we were looking for something…nothing is more from the truth.
I have time this week to enjoy the catholic register as I am getting a break from being the only care giver for Paul.I hope I will continue as I have now for 13 years of living messages, nothing easy about that. Please say prayer for me. So, when I fall of the radar & not commenting you will
know I am back to my normal life…busy, busy….

Oh, Veronica, thank you so much…I love you & I also want to become a Saint & go to Heaven. My husband died years ago & I met someone else, but, because I wanted to follow the church rules regarding having sex outside marriage it didn’t work out…Medjugorje had a lot to do with my decision. I took him with me to Medj. in 2004 & that was the end of us as, he did not see things the same way. Not everyone who goes there come back following what our Lady is asking, as I mentioned it’s not easy, but the love you have for the Holy Trinity makes it joyful. That is why the impact of Medjugorje has stayed with me & kept me in the right direction the best I can.

Mary, I don’t come to the NCR blog on a daily basis, but when I do, I will keep an eye out for your posts so that I can pop in and say “Hello” to you.  I will pray for you.  That’s a promise!

Mary McCarthy, I sense you were pretty upset by my comments. Sad you believe I am being judgemental.  That was not my intention whatsoever.  However, when a situation arises where the Church Authority is being defied my position is that we are sliding into dangerous grounds and threatening the Unity of the Body of Christ;  the Unity He prayed for on the Day of the Last Supper.  My Faith must always and at all times be guided by strict obedience to Mother Church through her Bishops, working together with the College of Cardinals under the Authority of the Holy Father. At no time have any of Our Holy Mother’s teachings in all the places she has come to us through the Centuries, contradicted the Teachings of the Catholic Church. Whenever the Bishop of the Diocese She visits needed confirmation so that he could guide his Sheep appropriately, she has done so, i.e. Guadalupe. If as I learn above, She has rebuked the Bishop under whom Medjugorje falls, that raises a red flag and calls for caution. I do respect your faith in Medjugorje and wish you and all those who believe as you do well.  Our prayers are that the Church’s position regarding Medjugorje be respected and adhered to.  Obedience to the Church Authorities is cardinal to ensure Unity of the Church as desired by Her Founder and Head. Defiance and disobedience to Her is dangerous and could very well result in a major Schism throwing the Church into an Era of grave tribulations

@Mary42
“The Catholic Church has time after time, declared there are no authentic messages, revelations nor true visions at Medjugorje.”

Please provide a reference for this declaration.  I do not believe this statement is true.

It HAS said that the reported supernatural events at Medjugorje cannot be confirmed.  That is hardly saying that “they are not true visions.”  Everything that I can get my hands on from the Church says that the jury is still out.

@Robert -

“Everything that I can get my hands on from the Church says that the jury is still out.”

I find your statement contrary Robert.  Bishop Peric has been very clear on this matter.  His declarations have not currently been contradicted.  He is the local ordinary duly appointed by our church with the authority to pronounce these declarations.  Have you read his documents?  Jimmy Akin did a very commendable job publishing Bishop Peric’s statements as well as other very good resources with the exclusion of, in my opinion, a link to the catechism on private revelation:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PH.HTM

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

The declaration of Bishop Peric, which I referred can be found here:

Me?ugorje: Secrets, Messages, Vocations, Prayers, Confessions, Commissions
http://www.cbismo.com/index.php?mod=vijest&vijest=101

He ends this document with the following statement:

The Church, from the local to supreme level, from the beginning to this very day, has clearly and constantly repeated: Non constat de supernaturalitate! This practically means no pilgrimages are allowed that would presuppose any supernatural character to the apparitions, there exists no shrine of the Madonna and there are no authentic messages, revelations nor true visions!
        This is the state of things today. How will things be tomorrow? We’ll leave them in God’s hands and under Our Lady’s protection!
        Mostar, 1 September 2007
+ Ratko Peri?
Bishop of Mostar-Duvno

I would submit that a Bishop can’t be much clearer than this.  Do you question Bishop Peric’s authority in this matter?  Why do you currently dismiss and contradict his guidance?

Mary42, you are most likely more informed about what is happening on the bigger scale than I am. I do listen to what you have to say…My question is: why are so many Bishops around the World who believe in Medj & as far as I have heard it is mostly the Bishop of Mosart against the Visionarys & lay people’s story of Medjugorje. Who are we supossed to believe when so many others in Catholic Church in authority are true believers. I pray someday we will all be on the same page. God Bless…Mary

Thank you for your responses, Mary McCarthy and Robert Rust. The independent Investigations carried by The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith with regard to the Medjugorje phenomenon, concurred and confirmed the findings and the Ruling of the Bishop under whose Medjugorje falls. The also concurred with the findings and the Ruling of the Episcopal Conference. It therefore, follows,  Mary McCarthy, that a faithful Catholic abides by the advice of the The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Individual Bishops from other Dioceses from wherever, and even lay Catholics, can hold whatever views they wish but their views remain strictly their “personal views” and not the binding Teaching of the Catholic Church. The only Official and Authoritative Rulings which all Catholics are bound to respect and obey are those of the Local Ordinary, the relevant Episcopal Conference and finally The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and when the Church deems necessary, the Holy Father.  In conclusion, my stand is to wait until the phenomenon closes and the Catholic Church Authorities carry out the Formal Process of Verification of the Medjugorje phenomenon and give their final Solemn Declaration.  And that Final Declaration is what every faithful Catholic shall be bound to respect and abide by.  Jesus Christ left us His Church to guide us so that we do not live our Faith in doubt.  She is our Loving Mother into Whose Hands Christ has entrusted His Sheep.

“The Church, from the local to supreme level, from the beginning to this very day, has clearly and constantly repeated: Non constat de supernaturalitate!”

I have looked for any kind of reference to any document from the Vatican that says that what is happening in Medjugorje is inconsistent with the supernatural.  Please provide a reference to an official document from the Vatican that expresses this condemnation.

In fact, to the contrary, I have seen a number of quotes where JPII is reported to have said that he is with Medjugorje.

It seems apparent your hurdle is docility to Bishop Peric’s guidance,  Christ’s duly appointed representative on Earth, granted the power to bind and loose in the Diocese of Mostar.  Personally, I have never seen an official statement on Medj from Bl. JPII or Pope Benedict XIV.  I have certainly never seen any other authoritive source that contradicts Bishop Peric’s declarations.

God bless Mother Angelica, Raymond Arroyo and any other non-authoritative source you care to defer.  However, it is currently only Bishop Peric’s guidance which currently binds me in this matter.

If the “supreme level” has not in fact declared the events at Medjugorje as being inconsistent with the supernatural, then Bishop Peric’s statement is a an untruth. 

“any other non-authoritative source ...”  I will continue to discern for myself until I hear from the Magisterium.

@Robert -

I can’t, in good conscience, allow you to portray or imply our Magisterium or Bishop Peric as liars.  The official Diocese of Mostar website has made these documents, statements and declarations available to the Universal Church for all to see for decades.  If these documents contained any error or untruth, the CDF or some other office of the Holy See would have had them removed them long ago.

Although your position is evident, at the service of truth and clarity, wouldn’t your response have been much more succinct and expedient just to have said ‘non serviam’?

Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.  Pray for all souls recommended to thee, especially enemies of our Church.

Thank you, Dismas.  How sad that Robert does not accept that The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith did ratify the findings and the Ruling of the Bishop of the Diocese of Mostar as well as the findings and Ruling of the Episcopal Conference on the Medjugorje phenomenon. May I humbly inform him that the Bishop of Mostar and The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in communion with the Holy Father, is the Official Magisterium Authority of the Universal Catholic Church. The Medjugorje devotees’ defiance of The Congregation’s ratification of the Mostar Bishop’s Pastoral Ruling on Medjugorje, is disobedience to and rejection of the Authority of the Universal Catholic Church and is tantamount to Schism.  They are now treading on very, very dangerous grounds.

Someday, the Light of Truth may show the error of my ways.  I will surely repent.  I will continue to seek Him and acknowledge my iniquity.  Thanks for giving me something to think about.  If I have been led astray, perhaps your words will bring me to the Truth earlier.

Robert, I have also seen quotes where JP11 is reported to have said that He is with Medjugorje. I will look for the books I have seen these quotes & pass it on… what I don’t understand Mary42 from your comments concerning , Medj, is how one can over look all the conversions & life long changes on a daily basis that has influenced so many young people in the right direction to Jesus through His Mother, these changes are not short term; what we all have witnessed stays with us & has brought us closer to Salvation. Also, how can one ignore the number of Priest,Sisters & lay people whoes lives have changed for the good!!.
I have heard it said, and I believe that it will be all the people & all the children of the Catholic Church that will save our Church & keep it strong until the end of time. Did you ever think Mary42 that our lady of Medjugorje wants Her Children to speak up. There is nothing evil about the beautiful parish of medj. God Bless & keep me in your prayers.

Mary McCarthy, as a Cradle Catholic these 73 years, I have a fairly good understanding of how my Catholic Church leads Christ’s Sheep. Obedience at all time, in all matters, to the Magisterium Authority of the Church is mandatory and binding to all faithful Catholics.  My question to you is this: now that you have listened to Jimmy Akin’s analysis of the current position of the Church Magisterium about Medjugorje, what would be the outcome if, in the end, the Holy See upholds the Bishops’s Declaration and solemnly rejects the Medjugorje phenomenon? (And bear in mind that Investigations on the Medjugorje phenomenon by the CDF was going on when Pope Benedict XVI was the Prefect of CDF.  This one fact demands that we all be very cautious in this whole matter.)  What effect would that have on the Universal Church taking into account the Medjugorje devotees have, thus far, persistently disobeyed the findings of the Bishop, the Episcopal Conference and particularly The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who have ratified the ruling of the Local Ordinary?  Do you see the danger this disobedience is courting?  That is why in conclusion, Jimmy Akin is asking all of us to pray unceasingly, obey and respect the position taken by the Church Magisterium and await the Holy See’s Final Verdict.  Sadly the Medjugorje devotees will hear none of this and are completely oblivious of the looming danger of a major Schism which they are courting.

I’ve been doing a lot of reflection on this.  Since the events at Medjugorje are soemthing witnessed 1st hand, I come from a basis where the miracles are either from Christ or from Satan.  I’m not aware of another option.

Then, I also have the experience of being affected by the Holy Spirit when I introduce the subject of Medjugorje to my friends.  Can this come from the Devil also?  I suppose that the Devil could somehow know what I experience when I feel the Holy Spirit, and then somehow mimic that experience.

Then, in reading some of the arguments against Medjugorje, the concept that Medjugorje is doing harm is also interesting in that it could get people to base their faith on something that turns out later to be hallow.  Now, these arguments suggest that Satan seeks to wedge people away from the Church by creating disobedience.  I think that is the fundamental element being discussed here.  Yet, when I read the pro-Medjugorje response to this argument, the point is made that we are not barred by the Church to view Medjugorje in a positive light.

In the end, I think that discerning good from evil is difficult.  For example, right after Peter is named by Jesus as the 1st pope - and declaring that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church - he call’s Peter’s request that Jesus avoid His sacrifice as evil (“Get behind me, satan…”).  I doubt that Peter would have considered his idea as coming from a place of evil.  So, the Church will prevail, but if it goes astray, Jesus will put it back on course.

I appreciate the pro-Medjugorje and anti-Medjugorje comments since they have added to the many facets to consider as I walk my path.

God bless you, Robert Rust! You’re an honest man.  Our Lord and His Blessed Mother will take care of you.

Dear Mary42 in due respect, how would you feel when the time comes & Medjugorje is approved by The Catholic Church, also, the sign on Apprication Hill Our Lady promised will be there for all the World to see.
Our Lady of Medjugorje is using more than Her Bishops to deliver her messages to the World….She is also using on a large scale her children,( we are all her children regardless of our age) who make up the Catholic Church to spread her messages to the World via the very young children She first appeared to in 1981 that are grown adults at present.
Mary42, if prayer & becoming a better person is the result of Our Lady of Medjugorje, I just can’t understand how you feel it is the work of satin…not true. Also, to answer your question how I would feel should it all be disapproved (which is not going to happen)...I would be so grateful that I had the wonderful experience that will never leave my heart or mind having seen Our Lady & so many Angels. I know what I saw & I know how joyful it feels….Thank You blessed Mother.
When the time is right with you (Gospa) I will share my message with your help. God Bless Our World & also the Bishop of Mostar.

Prayer and becoming a better person is the result of your faith, not Medjugorge. 
Private apparitions do not have to be believed by the faithful even if they are approved.  I won’t lose my soul because I didn’t believe in Fatima.  And, if Medg is approved, I am under no obligation to believe it.  Approved apparitions are not part of the deposit of the faith.
For my own part, I have found that those who get too caught up in apparitions, approved or otherwise, make the apparition their magisterium and basis of their religion and faith.  Not a very healthy thing to do for a Roman Catholic.

Mary McCarthy , Mary42 is doing what every faithful Catholic is required to do : obey the Catholic Church Magisterium’s current stand about Medjugorje. I am obediently doing what the Church has told me to do.  Wait for Her to confirm or reject the Medjugorje phenomenon.  Jesus told us emphatically: “He who hears you, hears Me, he who does not hear you does not hear Me or the One Who sent Me”. We waited for the Church to approve the Divine Mercy Devotions patiently for 20 whole years when Mother Church had suspended the Devotions because of incomplete Investigations and unavailability of the complete record of St. Faustina’s Diary.  When the situation returned to normal and a full and exhaustive Investigation was carried out and the entire record of Saint Faustina’s 600-page Diary was forwarded to the Holy See and correctly interpreted and proved authentic, Mother Church solemnly lifted the suspension and to-day we have the “Day of Atonement - Leviticus Chap.16”  The Feast of the Divine Mercy celebrated on the First Sunday after Easter - the Day the Risen Lord appeared to the Apostles in the Upper Room and instituted the Holy Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Mary42, & Veronica, I had very strong faith all of my life. It was not baised on the vision we saw or the calling to visit Medjugorje. What it did do was increase my love for Holy Trinity & Blessed Mother, along with love & charity to my neighbor. Ever thing we will have a message to share with the World, our familys, & non believers of Jesus when the time comes & Gospa leaves the sign for all to see in the World. We are already seeing all the young Priest, Sisters & lay people change their lives & become closer to Mother Mary…(How She, Mother Mary) must love that…: )
Remember Father Slavaco, He died on Apprication Hill…he is a saint. Our Catholic Church is not asking us to dis-believe Medjugorje,nor, is our Bishop….Why is it just Bishop from Mosart!! I will pray for Him.

@Mary McCarthy -

Strong faith in what?  I don’t hear the ring of truth in much of what you say.  The only thing that seems to matter to you is your personal belief in what a good person is regardless of the doctrines of our Church.  Apparently, the doctrines of our Church matter little.  What good is faith only in your personal beliefs, visions and feelings of love without the truth of the doctrines of our Church?

My personal beliefs and how I’d like to practice them are much less important to me than the doctrines of our Church and how our Church asks us to practice them for the good of all.  Love is not a self interested private conviction.  Love is a self disinterested conviction in the truth our Church teaches for the good of all.

Your line of thinking and reason is foriegn to me, I don’t understand.

Mary MacCarthy why do you continue refusing to accept that the Church Magisterium has already spoken about the Medjugorje phenomenon? Did you really listen to Jimmy Akin?  He gave the full chronology of how the Church has handled this matter.  As Dismas has told you above, this is the current position : “The Church, from the local to supreme level (CDF), from the beginning to this very day, has clearly and constantly repeated: Non constat de supernaturalitate! This practically means no pilgrimages are allowed that would presuppose any supernatural character to the apparitions, there exists no shrine of the Madonna and there are no authentic messages, revelations nor true vision”.

You have already been shown where the trouble is in your obstinate defiance of the Magisterium’s Directive on the Medjugorje :  “Those who get too caught up in apparitions, approved or otherwise, make the apparition their magisterium and basis of their religion and faith.  Not a very healthy thing to do for a Roman Catholic.” All I can add to these two Statements is : Jesus left us His Church to guide us in His Truth and protect us from being led astray by False Prophets and False Apparitions and Visions. Since you say you are a good Catholic, then you are bound to respect and obey what the Church teaches.

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