Remember not too long ago when the Catholic Vice President of the United States said this about China's one child policy? "Your policy has been one which I fully understand -- I'm not second-guessing -- of one child per family ..."
This is the reality of the policy which Joe Biden fully understands and would never second guess.
She was forced to abort, and then the tiny body of the seven-month-old child was left bleeding on a bed next to the woman. On 3 June, Feng Jianmei, a young Chinese woman from the country’s Shanxi region, experienced a double horror.
Missionary news agency AsiaNews reported that the woman was beaten and dragged into a vehicle by a group of Family planning employees, while her husband, Deng Jiyuan was at work. Population control had asked the family to pay 40 thousand Yuan (approximately 4 thousand Euro, the equivalent of three years’ work) for violating the one-child law. But they did not make the payment, so the authorities forced Jianmei to abort in her seventh month of pregnancy.
This is what 'policy' looks like. Beaten, dragged and forced to abort. A dead bleeding baby lying next to her distraught mother the result of violating 'policy.'
Why would we ever second guess that?
Elections do matter.
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And you have quoted the VPOTUS out of context.
The part you quote is merely a diplomatic nicety. The overall statement was a rather harsh criticism of China’s policy as “not sustainable”.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/08/biden-under-fire-for-not-second-guessing-chinas-one-child-policy/
Joe Biden also called the one child policy “god-awful”.
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2012/human-rights/biden-says-chinas-one-child-policy-is-god-awful/
Is this the NCR or the RNC?
Yes, elections do matter, but does anyone really believe that any president of the US has any influence over China’s policies? I certainly don’t. Neither do I believe Romney is actually pro-life. At best I would expect him to offer less resistance to pro-lifers than Obama, but he is certainly no champion of the pro-life cause. He is no Rick Santorum. Not even close.
Mitt Romney is a socially moderate northeastern Republican. He has no interest in fighting the culture war for either side.
JD, the sustainability argument was an economic one. It is morally repugnant regardless of the economic benefit.
At least Mr. Romney says he is pro-life.I’d give him a chance to prove it.
What is our other option?
Romney is not Rick Santorum? The electorate appears to have decided that he is more likely to defeat Obama than Rick.
Either we will all hang together, or we shall most decidedly hang separately.
If the choice is another four years of Obama and Biden, or Romney, and you are having problems making that choice, then I don’t know what would possibly convince you. If Obama gets another four year, please don’t come back and say “but he wasn’t Rick Santorum…”
Yeah, sure. JoBi is, himself, out of context. This “confirmed Catholic” also told the Kenyan Government (in a display of Cultural Imperialism)in 2010 that if it would legalize abortion “the money would start flowing in”
Politicians will say anything and everything to get votes. I just like the background of Mitt Romney much better than the background of Pres. Obama. Therefore my vote will be for Romney.
There are many Bidens, they are available in the catholic community everywhere in the world. They say that they are Christians but do not believe in organised Church. The fun is that they want to be known as “catholic” though they hate Catholicism and work for its destruction. They have no shame, no conscience. Let us pray that Holy Spirit may send wisdom to them
And Joe Biden is against the policy regardless of his reasons. Your article is misleading as a result.
Once again, is this the NCR or the RNC?
You guys are right. We have to vote for Romney or Obama will win. Third party candidates (Green Party, Libertarian) is almost moot.
This has been and always will be horrific news and proof of the existence of evil. The so-called “one child policy” is nothing short of death for countless innocent humans and the sadness of many more. The level of deceit and insidious encroachment of evil into the minds of humans is spectacular. The Ancient Enemy, a murderer from the beginning, has sown such seeds as this, where what is clearly evil is believed to be good by some humans. The policy is shameful and a tragedy and any human choice that condones, warrants, ignores, or denies such evil is, in fact, a choice for evil itself. We must pray. Mary, Mother of God, pray for us. Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on us.
To JD
“Because of that God-awful one-child policy they have, what happens now is in the next 20 years they’re going to have such an inverse proportion of the number of people working to the number of people retired that there is no way they can sustain that growth,” he said. The article sums up saying that Biden’s premise is that the one-child policy will create a shrinking labor force that will have to financially support a massive pool of aging and retired Chinese. Consequently, China’s economic growth would begin to slow.
JD, that surely cannot in ANYWAY be interpreted as a condemnation of the policy for human rights abuses, but rather its economic impact on the Chinese economy. If you want to be honest, the end of the article cited above even states that Biden’s remarks address only the economic impact of the one child policy and that his opinion (or Obama’s, for that matter) regarding the human rights abuses is not addressed to the Florida University crowd. No need for diplomatic niceties there, unless you’re seeking to do damage control (from the comment spoken 6 months earlier in China) with Americans who are potential political supporters by using carefully chosen words that give the appearance of disdain for China’s policy, yet never condemning it for the human rights abuses that the gov’t carries out to enforce this abominable policy.
BTW, Biden’s remarks that you say were taken out of context also include this…“So hopefully we can act in a way on a problem that’s much less severe than yours, and maybe we can learn together from how we can do that.” Again using vague references, VPOUS seems to indicate that current U.S. policies including the promotion of elective abortions and the encouragement/requirement of using contraception to reduce unwanted births might be the way to go.
Are you part of the DNC or just unwilling to admit there is something wrong with this Administartion’s extreme views and policies?
Funny, not a single comment of what the the Catholic Church is doing or not doing. Is this a religious blog or a political blog?
I am someone who is deeply concerned about my Church becoming increasingly partisan. Live by the politics, die by the politics. Pesqueria is absolutely right about this becoming a political blog.
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This article is another sad example of this trend. The VPOTUS is against the One Child Policy. He has made multiple statements to this effect. The Administration is against the One Child Policy. They have made multiple statements to that effect.
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Biden was IN China addressing the a Chinese audience. There is a need for diplomacy and tact in these situations. Condemning the policy in harsh terms at such a function would not have been appropriate or effective.
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Whatever his reasons, Biden opposes the one child policy and this article heavily implies that he does. The Eighth Commandment contains no exceptions for articles about Democratic politicians and this article as it is has no place on a Catholic website.
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And BTW, I will not be voting for Obama/Biden in November, primarily for economic reasons. I despise the politicization of the faith, even when I happen to agree with the politics.
That is Whatever his reasons, Biden opposes the one child policy and this article heavily implies that he supports it.
JD,
Which US politician has recently supported China’s one child policy? Sure, Mr. Biden & virtually everyone else are “against” the policy.Not to be against it & the resulting forced abortions would be political suicide.
Mr. Biden’s speech was a reverse of damning the policy with faint praise.He sort of praised the policy with faint damning.
@Kathleen: It’s this perpetually suspicious atmosphere that makes me sick of politics and also why I don’t want partisan politics infecting the Church.
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A politician doesn’t use the perfect choice of words and that’s PROOF that he’s a monster. Both sides do it and it doesn’t make either one right. I don’t want my Church playing this game.
Dear Pesqueira—
Regarding this…
Posted by Pesqueira on Thursday, Jun 14, 2012 2:58 PM (EST): Funny, not a single comment of what the the Catholic Church is doing or not doing. Is this a religious blog or a political blog?
...the Catholic Church, thanks to its founder Jesus Christ and the prayers of his mother, Mary, has be THE main force of opposition to abortion across the ages up to and including now.
That one could miss that fact is more testimony to the insidious evil that pervades the hearts and minds of all.
The Catholic Church is founded on the Truth that IS Life itself, Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. We have been testifying to that for more than 2000 years.
In this blog post, the author IS evangelizing and doing the work of God, to spread the Good News of the Church and unmask evil—if one does not understand or see that such is the work of Holy Mother Church, then one has not tried to understand or see.
The political system is an manifestation of families living in community, to promote their journey toward their naturally ordered end, God. As such, the underlying structure of politics is good. It is evil, and the choosing of evil, that thwarts the good that can be had by living in an ordered society.
They will know us by our Love. Slogans and banners and name-dropping mean nothing if they are not rooted in Love, Him who is Love. As such, the author here clearly notes that the One Child Policy In China is evil, in its ideas and application. That is an expression of Love—a Catholic expression of Love.
I hope that is clear now.
HTH.
God bless you,
—Mark Kamoski
@Mark Kamoski: “In this blog post, the author IS evangelizing and doing the work of God, to spread the Good News of the Church and unmask evil—if one does not understand or see that such is the work of Holy Mother Church, then one has not tried to understand or see.”
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Since when is deliberately misquoting someone “spreading the Good News of the Church”?
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Yes, the political process is good and yes, the Church should have something to say about political issues. But what has happened here is that this article goes beyond testifying to the truth in love and gets into the dirty tricks of electoral politics. This article does not serve Jesus as much as it does the Republican Party.
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Yes, China’s one child policy is evil, but (1) virtually everyone in our political system, Republican and Democrat, agrees that it is and (2) there is very little anyone in our political system, Republican or Democrat, can do about it. As a result, the plain purpose of this article is not to encourage Catholic voters to do anything that would improve the situation in China, but to defame the VPOTUS by deceptively implying that he approves of this situation. This sort of conduct is plainly immoral and has no business being on a Catholic website.
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You cannot serve both Jesus and Machiavelli. This article does the latter.
@JD: Good, you vote for the person and not the party. I am NOT a party person, before I vote, I check the person running as much as I can before I make my decision. I have voted Republican and Democrat in the past. I have met too many people who vote “Party” no matter what. I refuse to watch television while this politicking is going on and listen to the rubbish sent out. They talk to us as if we are a bunch of idiots, [maybe some are] and their bickering makes them sound like middle school kids. ;o) All one has to do is check the background of the persons running, how they believe, what they have accomplished, etc. To vote “party” means you don’t have a mind of your own.
Sue (old),
I hear you & I like to think for myself, too.The reality though is a party platform that when adopted,can make it impossible for a candidate to oppose.I can’t in good conscience as a Catholic support the current Democratic Party platform.
Dear JD—
Regarding this…
Posted by JD on Friday, Jun 15, 2012 11:08 AM (EST): As a result, the plain purpose of this article is… to defame the VPOTUS by deceptively implying that he approves of this situation.
...hmmm, that is an interesting claim…
...since the issue is about abortion, let’s look into that…
...let’s look at some of Joseph Biden’s actual (factual) voting record to see if THAT indicates whether or not he strong opponent of abortion or not…
Joe Biden Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Joe Biden Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Joe Biden Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Joe Biden Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Joe Biden Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Joe Biden Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Joe Biden Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Joe Biden Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Joe Biden Expand embryonic stem cell research. (Jun 2004)
Joe Biden Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
http://cabinet.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm
...so it seems to me that is NOT an “strong stance against abortion and the sanctity of life”...
...so, given that this article draws the same conclusion, it is in-line with the facts.
You say nothing can be done—that is incorrect.
What COULD have been done?
Easy—how about set a good example?
How about voting against abortion?
That would help, for starters.
Etc, onto the lead-by-example part, and so on.
So before anyone jumps to any conclusions about misrepresenting Joe Biden’s position, let’s consider the voting record too.
But, in Christian Charity, we can see that he just does not understand what abortion is, which it is clear he does not, and so we pray the the Light to shine.
HTH.
God bless you,
—Mark Kamoski
@Mark Kamoski: Just because Joe Biden is not an opponent of legalized abortion does not mean he supports China’s one child policy of forced abortion.
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To say that he does is at worst dishonest and at best extremely sloppy logic.
Joe Biden’s actual position on abortion is more libertarian than anything. He does not oppose legalized abortion, nor will he support it. Agree or disagree, he has been consistent over the years.
“I remember vividly the first time, in 1973, I had to go to the floor to vote on abortion. A fellow Senator asked how I would vote. “My position is that I am personally opposed to abortion, but I don’t think I have a right to impose my few on the rest of society. I’ve thought a lot about it, and my position probably doesn’t please anyone. I think the government should stay out completely. I will not vote to overturn the Court’s decision. I will not vote to curtail a woman’s right to choose abortion. But I will also not vote to use federal funds to fund abortion.“
I’ve stuck to my middle-of-the-road position on abortion for more than 30 years. I still vote against partial birth abortion and federal funding, and I’d like to make it easier for scared young mothers to choose not to have an abortion, but I will also vote against a constitutional amendment that strips a woman of her right to make her own choice. “
As a Senator, Biden’s lifetime NRLC record is 0%, but his lifetime NARAL record is only 36%. He’s no pro-lifer, but isn’t leading the charge for abortion either.
http://www.issues2000.org/2012/Joe_Biden_Abortion.htm
Given this voting record and past statement, it is safe to say that he opposes China’s one child policy.
@Post by JD on Friday, Jun 15, 2012 12:46 PM (EST): Just because Joe Biden is not an opponent of legalized abortion does not mean he supports China’s one child policy of forced abortion.
Oh, so abortion is OK in some cases but not in others?
Well, I guess we need to step back here—let’s keep it simple.
I am not trying to nuance anything.
Nuance is for hacks.
Here goes: It seems to me that Joe Biden’s voting record indicates that he is not a strong opponent of abortion and it seems to me that such voting by politicians increases (not decreases) abortion at-large.
That’s not a “good” voting record in terms of abortion.
We are ALL connected—there is no “here and there” when it comes to Life.
Again, it is VERY simple: If a human does not understand the simple fact that “abortion is intrinsically evil” then there is no way that human is going to negotiate through the tangle of international politics surrounding the abortion, which (BTW) would not be a “tangle” if he/she just kept the 1st principle in mind.
Oh, here another dirt-simple point abortion-supporting politicians does not yet understand.
“I am the Life”.
—Jesus Christ, Son Of God, Lord and Savior, Person Of The Trinity, Etc, Etc.
Does that sound familiar? Yes.
Does that sound unclear? No.
Does that sound conditional to one circumstance or another? No.
That’s pretty remedial and one REALLY has to work hard to nuance that in ANY way.
But, they do it.
Again, out of love for my neighbor for the sake of God, I grant that the good politicians who miss these simple points are probably assailed by old-two-toe and its minions, directly and over time, insidiously undermining the very foundations of reality and reason.
So, I ask Mary to pray to her Son for deliverance and light.
God bless you.
—Mark Kamoski
“Nuance is for hacks.”
This isn’t about abortion, this is about dishonesty. There is nothing “nuanced” about the Eighth Commandment either.
Joe Biden does not support the one child policy. Period. It doesn’t matter what he does support. It doesn’t matter if he had a 100% NARAL rating. Implying that he supports something that he clearly does not is deliberately misleading and has no place in a Catholic publication. Whatever Joe Biden has done wrong does not excuse a blatant violation of the Eighth Commandment by what is supposed to be a respectable Catholic publication.
@ Kathleen: “I hear you & I like to think for myself, too.The reality though is a party platform that when adopted,can make it impossible for a candidate to oppose.I can’t in good conscience as a Catholic support the current Democratic Party platform.”
That is exactly what I am getting at. I read a lot about the present President, his background, his beliefs, his mentors, his time in the senate,his past 3 yrs as president and his platform; as a result, I would not vote for him either. Besides his pro-abortion, etc. I do not like his healthcare and mostly I truly feel he is a Democrat ‘Progressive Socialist’ and therefore, I will vote for Romney as his platform is better than…...& hopefully he can change some things.
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