
The post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia (The Joy of Love) was published one year ago on the Solemnity of St. Joseph. Since then, two competing interpretations, or, rather, pastoral applications of Chapter 8 (on divorce, remarriage and the sacraments) have emerged. They are epitomized in two sets of diocesan guidelines, each of which is meant to apply the teaching of the document to respective dioceses.
The first, entitled, “Pastoral Guidelines for Implementing Amoris Laetitia,” was published by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia (hereafter Philadelphia) in July 2016. The second, entitled, “Criteria for the Application of Chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia,” was published by the archbishop of Malta (hereafter Malta) and his assistant bishop in the neighboring Diocese of Gozo.
Both address the disputed question of whether married persons living in sexually active second unions while their first spouses still live, who have not received a public judgment from the Church declaring the invalidity of the first marriage, may return to the holy Eucharist without resolving to live sexually continent with the second partner (hereafter disputed question). The two guidelines offer opposing answers.
This essay compares and contrasts the two replies. (Philadelphia also offers guidelines on the questions of cohabitation before marriage and pastoral care for persons with same-sex attraction. But this essay only considers the disputed question.) It ends with advice for Catholics who feel confused over the disharmony between the bishops’ pastoral directions.
To orient readers, Malta is a small Mediterranean island 50 miles south of Sicily, with around 380,000 Catholics (out of a total population of 420,000) and 600 priests. Christianity there dates back to St. Paul, who, finding himself shipwrecked on the island on his way to Rome, spent three months ministering to the Maltese (see Acts 28). Catholicism today is the official religion, and Malta’s most famous inhabitants historically are the knights who took the island’s name.
Thirteen miles to the west lies the Diocese of Gozo, with 28,000 Catholics and 169 priests. Archbishop Charles Scicluna of Malta was appointed auxiliary by Pope Benedict in 2012 and made archbishop of Malta by Pope Francis in 2015. Gozo’s bishop, Mario Grech, was appointed by St. John Paul II in 2006. Archbishop Scicluna and Bishop Grech are Malta’s only signatories.
Philadelphia and Malta
Both applications of Amoris Laetitia acknowledge the pastoral challenges of persons living in second unions. And both state that their respective guidelines are meant to assist pastors to accompany such persons. Accompany them where?
To answer, we might look at the direction each points to as it prepares to answer the disputed question.
Philadelphia points to truth and fidelity to the Church’s moral teaching. It says accompaniment must take the route of the Gospel, which is always a way of “truth and charity.”
Accompaniment should assist persons to know the truth that will make them free (John 8:32) and must solicitously avoid the dual errors of relativism, which “ignores the truth,” and rigorism, which “lacks mercy.” And the guidelines promise to “faithfully reflect Catholic belief.”
Malta points to what it refers to as the “new routes” that accompaniment should open up for estranged members. It likens remarried divorcees to the three Magi, “who took a different route home after meeting Jesus” (see Matthew 2:12). It says divorcees might have to take a “different route” back to the Church and says God is “able to open up new routes for these persons.” Malta insists its guidelines are “in line with the directions given by Pope Francis.”
Points of Agreement
The two agree on a number of preliminary points. Both acknowledge that the first unions of these persons may in fact not have been valid sacramental marriages; and both admonish those with reasonable doubts to seek the counsel of a marriage tribunal to help to resolve the question.
Both recognize that those who are unable to receive annulments may feel estranged from the Church and alone in their faith journeys. Both say the Catholic community should welcome them and help them feel part of the Church, encourage them to pray with the community, and incorporate them into some parish activities. Both enjoin a process of discernment — Philadelphia, in order to help them “come to an awareness of their situation before God”; Malta, in order to help them become aware “of their life situation in the light of Jesus.”
Examination of Conscience
Because Amoris Laetitia spends considerable time on the notion of conscience, both Philadelphia and Malta quote the following paragraph on elements of an examination:
“Useful in this process is an examination of conscience through moments of reflection and penance. The divorced and remarried should ask themselves: how they have acted toward their children when the conjugal union entered into crisis; if they made attempts at reconciliation; what has become of the abandoned party; what consequences does the new relationship have on the rest of the family and the community of the faithful; and what example is being set for young people who are preparing for marriage” (300).
Philadelphia immediately adds that the pastoral work of discernment aims at finding the truth so as to guide all decision-making in accordance with it. Malta, on the other hand, enters a discussion of the problem of diminished responsibility in evil doing, reflecting on factors that can mitigate free choice. Malta then quotes the curious passage from Amoris Laetitia, 301:
“It can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace.”
I say curious because, to my knowledge, the Catholic Church has never said, neither in her theology nor official pastoral practice, “simply” that all those in second unions are living in a state of mortal sin and deprived of sanctifying grace.
Moral theology has always insisted that mortal sin occurs when and only when grave matter is chosen with sufficient reflection and full consent of the will.
Malta’s discussion of mitigating factors obscures the fact that even if a person chooses some object of grave matter — in the case at hand, adultery — with mitigated culpability, the actions are still harmful to them and bad for the unity of the Church.
Disputed Question
Both then turn to the disputed question of the relationship of the divorced and civilly remarried to the sacraments.
Philadelphia says that in order to bear perspicuous witness to the true nature of the Eucharist and of the Church, the following norms must be upheld.
- To receive holy Communion, one must not be aware of any unconfessed serious sin.
- If one is aware of such sin, one must confess it with a firm purpose of amendment.
- It follows that to receive holy Communion, remarried divorcees must confess extramarital sexual intimacy, if such intimacy has taken place, and firmly resolve to live in perfect continence (refraining from any and all sexual acts).
- Some who do this might continue to cohabit for the sake of their children.
- To avoid scandal, pastors who administer the sacraments to these couples must be solicitous to avoid giving the impression they support divorce and remarriage, or that Church teaching on this issue may be set aside.
- For the same reason, continent remarried divorcees should not be given certain important public duties in the parish (e.g., membership on parish council), including liturgical duties (e.g., lector, extraordinary minister of holy Communion).
Malta says something quite different. It asserts that some remarried divorcees may be capable of practicing the virtue of conjugal continence without “putting at risk” elements of their life together. For others, however, living “this ideal” may be “humanly impossible and gives rise to greater harm” (reference to AL, Note 329). Such persons should undertake a process of discernment that includes humility, a love for the Church and a sincere desire for God’s will.
Malta then says that if such discernment leads these people to the belief that they are “at peace with God,” then pastors may not exclude them from the sacrament of the Eucharist. Such persons should be considered for various public duties within the parish, including within “the liturgical, pastoral, educational and institutional frameworks.” They also should be considered “suitable to be godparents.”
Navigating Opposing Interpretations
After the final report of the Synod on the Family was published 16 months ago, I wrote in these pages the following:
If the “way of accompaniment and discernment” is approved, both the progressive and the traditional interpretations would be officially sanctioned. But since the progressive interpretation is in clear opposition to the unambiguous teaching of the Church, repeated continually by the hierarchy in the past four decades, its authorization would badly undermine the Church’s evangelical credibility.
This is exactly what we see in the conflicting interpretations of Philadelphia and Malta. Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia lends itself to two opposing interpretations, one of which is fully consistent with the settled and perennial position of the Catholic Church and the teachings of John Paul II and Benedict XVI; the other of which is not. The Church now faces a crisis of doctrinal and evangelical credibility.
And it also faces a crisis of trust among its own faithful members who endeavor to know what’s right and good to do. How can Malta’s interpretation be excluded if it is apparently consistent with papal teaching? This is a good and urgent question that every faithful pastor should be ready to answer.
The norm for Catholic belief and practice is the deposit of faith, the revealed word of God made manifest in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. That deposit was and is committed to the Church as a kind of sacred trust to be guarded and handed on until Jesus comes again.
The deposit is made known not only in the writings of sacred Scripture but in the definitive teachings of ecumenical councils, the infallible proclamations of popes (which Amoris Laetitia does not constitute, as Pope Francis makes clear in Paragraph No. 3) and in the prayer and worship of the Church’s sacred liturgy.
The singular purpose of ordinary papal teaching (which Amoris Laetitia does constitute) is to assist both those within and outside the Church to understand, receive and live more fully and fruitfully the truths of the deposit of faith. If some text in ordinary magisterial teaching lends itself to a conclusion that seems inconsistent with some truth or truths of that sacred deposit, then the conclusion cannot be legitimately taken to be a licit interpretation of that text.
I have argued elsewhere that the divinely revealed doctrines of the intrinsic wrongfulness of adultery and the absolute indissolubility of Christian marriage cannot both be true and at the same time it be true that anyone — including a civilly-remarried divorcee — who is sexually active with someone other than his or her valid spouse while that spouse still lives is not objectively committing adultery.
Malta prescribes that if these people believe they are “at peace with God” (i.e., not committing adultery), that belief, held sincerely and humbly, is a sufficient basis for the Church’s pastors to sanction their return to the sacraments.
This is an egregious pastoral error.
Their belief may suggest they are invincibly ignorant of the objective wrongness of their actions and so not guilty of mortal sin, and if not guilty of mortal sin then not guilty of sacrilege when they receive the holy Eucharist. But this does not imply that pastors may free such persons to receive the holy Eucharist.
Why? Because pastors cannot know that these persons are free from mortal guilt.
As Pope Francis insists, pastors should not be judging sinners’ souls at all. No one can know with certitude the state of another’s soul. Thus, they should focus their energy on helping these people to come to know the truth that will set them free.
To be sure, a blunt assertion of the Church’s exclusionary teaching is unlikely to help many people. But the assertion that they are in full communion with Jesus and his Church and so free to return to the sacraments without reforming their lives is far worse.
So what should pastors do?
Mater et Magister
They should always at once be mater et magister (mother and teacher). As magister they should form consciences. To form consciences they must teach the truth on the indissolubility of marriage and the wrongfulness of adultery. A spurious compassion that hides the truth from those who need it the most is contrary to the true care that a spiritual shepherd should give his flock (cf Jeremiah 23:1-4).
Pastors should simultaneously be mater. Mothers respect their children and neither overestimate nor underestimate them. A pastor should not act as if the ordering of their lives in the light of the Gospel is an easy thing, as if it poses no great obstacles. He should help them identify the obstacles. He should especially address frankly and sensitively the challenge of living sexually continent with their second partners.
But he shouldn’t underestimate them either. God’s grace can assist them to do what may be impossible by natural strength unaided by grace.
Our pastoral approach, even in the most difficult circumstances, must never fail to insist that because of the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, we live in a grace-filled universe, where it is possible for men and women to respond to the high call of Jesus to “follow me” (Matthew 4:19).
Mothers also morally support their children. Pastors shouldn’t inform consciences only. They also should help people to follow their consciences. People in second unions, especially if they have children from the second union, may see no way out. Pastors should help them to see a way out. Offer them hope: Good mothers always offer hope. Help them see that a morally ordered life — not an easy life, but an ordered and upright life — is good and possible: “You can do this.”
And help them see how faithfully responding to the difficult teachings of Jesus on marriage and sexuality is essential for the spiritual well-being not only of themselves, but of their children. Parents who forgo sexual intimacy out of faithfulness to Jesus’ teaching are luminous witnesses to the purity of the Gospel and the integrity of the Church’s teaching.
But the credibility of the Gospel and the Church is jeopardized by those who treat the teachings of Jesus as if they are “humanly impossible.” Jesus’ message on marriage and chastity is a merciful message. It is not bad news; it is Good News.
Moreover, sanctioning the reception of the holy Eucharist while they are still in a situation of objective serious and public wrongdoing is an occasion for scandal. By authorizing their return to the sacraments, the pastors themselves would be occasioning scandal among the faithful and so placing the souls of their parishioners in peril. They also risk giving the impression that the Church’s irreformable teachings on the indissolubility of marriage and the requisites for chastity may be set aside.
This the Church must never do, but especially at the present time, when the truths about marriage and sexuality urgently need to be perspicuously articulated and persuasively defended. Every possible counter-witness to this articulation and defense must be avoided.
Malta’s notion of discernment is flawed. It suggests that true spiritual discernment might lead these persons to conclude that their lifestyle is licit and so they are free to return to the sacraments. But because Jesus never wills us to adopt morally illicit alternatives, discernment, properly speaking, only ever concerns the question of which among a number of morally licit alternatives Jesus wants us to adopt.
So the question of whether or not remarried divorcees should return to the sacraments without ceasing their nonmarital sexual activity is not a matter to be discerned. It is a matter of a straightforward moral judgment that the alternative under consideration is incompatible with the good of marriage and the dignity of the sacrament.
Catholic teaching holds that no one who is sexually active with someone other than his or her living valid spouse may without confessing the activity and resolving to live chastely receive the holy Eucharist. This is not a teaching for the few, for the perfect. It is for every Christian. The fact that some who approach the sacrament under such circumstances are — because of invincible ignorance — in good faith does not justify Catholic pastors in telling those same persons that they are free to approach the holy Sacrament. As Philadelphia states (quoting Amoris Laetitia): “Discernment can never prescind from the Gospel demands of truth and clarity as proposed by the Church.”
In my opinion, Philadelphia’s guidelines beautifully fulfill the aims of applying Chapter 8 to the concrete circumstances of Catholics who are divorced and civilly remarried in a way that respects truth, expresses charity and remains faithful to the Gospel and the Church’s moral teaching. Its guidelines will help pastors accompany married couples to salutary Christian solutions in the face of marital crises, and do so in a way that guards the spiritual well-being of those being accompanied, their children and the rest of the Christian community.
Philadelphia offers no assembly-line solution. Its guidelines won’t undo overnight the seemingly intractable problems that have arisen over nearly seven decades of largely failed ministry to families.
Each couple, indeed each person in marital crisis, needs to be cared for according to what is spiritually best for him and for her. Among the possible alternatives for responding to the present crisis, Philadelphia offers a good and faithful Christian guide. Malta does not: Its guidelines will leave Catholics stuck in disorderly lifestyles, encourage them to receive holy Communion when they are not spiritually prepared, compromise the Church’s witness to the integrity of Christian marriage and Catholic sexual teaching, and incentivize divorce and “remarriage” for other vulnerable couples who are struggling in troubled marriages.
Pray for the unity of the episcopate.
E. Christian Brugger is professor and dean
in the school of philosophy and theology
at The University of Notre Dame in Sydney, Australia.
4th COMMANDMENT: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. (Now would someone please “interpret” THAT for me?) 9th Commandment: “THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE.” (Now, please “interpret” THAT for me, too…..Folks, I’d say those WORDS are as simple as 2+2=4 and 4+5=9.) The LORD GOD didn’t make these serious matters difficult to understand!part46
NO POPE has the AUTHORITY to over-rule the 6th and 9th COMMANDMENTS! No Pope, nor any “Marriage Tribunal” has the Authority to dispense anyone from a VALID Marriage. (MARRIAGE is “until death do us part.”) The ONLY THING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN DO IS DETERMINE THAT A “MARRIAGE” was “INVALID”—-to begin with. Not for nothing have 4 or 5 Cardinals written to Pope Francis re. this serious matter. Cardinal Brandmuller said that the Cardinals “expect a response to the Dubia, as the lack of a response would be seen by many within the Church as a rejection of the clear and articulate adherence to clearly defined doctrine.” Sr. Lucia (one of the 3 children of Fatima) wrote to Cardinal Caffarra “...There will be a final conflict between the LORD and Satan…And the battleground will be over the very constitution of marriage and the family. Those who will fight for marriage and the family will be persecuted; [but] they should not have fear because the Madonna has already crushed the head of the infernal serpent.”
Carl Kuss –
You state to Theresa, “So why do you not accept the Church’s interpretation of the sixth commandment as given by Pope Francis, which rejects rigorism?” Any rejection of ‘rigorism’ is not the issue at point here. The issue is the constant teaching of the Church for 2,000 years in the matter of what constitutes adultery—to wit, relations with a person not one’s valid spouse. Any putative rejection of ‘rigorism’ does not ipso facto also constitute any change in this 2,000 understanding of adultery. A claim to the contrary based on rigorism is simply a straw man argument.
You imply that Pope Francis has altered the Church’s 2,000 year understanding. It is you who, to use your own words, “should at least bother to show how this is born out in texts of AL or elsewhere”.
Carl Kuss: The Church teaches that the Fifth Commandment, which forbids the unjust taking of life, does not prohibit the just taking of life. Thus it concluded that just war and just punishment are not forbidden.
One cannot argue that the interpretation of the Sixth Commandment being debated is magisterial, or the Church’s interpretation. To the contrary it is the subject of an intense debate about which various members of the episcopate hold diametrically opposed views, and the Holy Father for reasons known only to him refuses to exercise the Petrine role of confirming the brethren and bringing clarity to the document.
As to “which rejects rigorism” - it could as easily be suggested that it rejects the words of Christ Himself.
In most folks’ “thinking caps” adultery involves exercising marital rights with a person of the opposite sex while still in a marital union with another.
The interpretation which you appear to favor seems to suggest that if you can get someone to agree with you that it is okay, it is okay with the Church.
Carl Kuss: When Jesus tells the woman I do not judge you, He is saying no more than He does not judge her. He can’t according to the Law as there are no witnesses.
There is no act of mercy. For there to be an act of mercy she would have to first be judged, and then her punishment remitted in whole or in part.
Or, Jesus in solicitude would have counseled her for her own salvation on the reasons to avoid that sin and repent.
Therefore, suggesting that it bears somehow on “the moral order of self-righteousness/ur-Pelagianism/hypocritical rigorism”, whatever that may be, is unsupported.
Carl Kuss: The English word “proselytize” is a verb meaning “to try to persuade someone to change his or her religious beliefs, political party, etcetera, to your own.”
Proselytizing describes the activity.
In no sense, therefore, does “proselytizing” in and of itself in any sense mean pretending to advance the Christian cause by falsifying it, nor is it an ally of a superficial, Pelagian, grace-denying, false version of conversion nor connected to a superficial, Pelagian, grace-denying version of apologetics anymore than pointing out the Holy Father appears to be in error by citing the unchangeable teaching of Christ on marriage as passed on by the Church is “rigorism”.
Theresa H: Faith is the true interpretation of God’s word. True interpretation of God’s word does not alter it. Jesus praises the faith of those accepting God’s word (accepting it means interpreting it, to obtain the truth one must interpret, one must take it as true, and that is not simply a passive thing; if it were merely passive faith would not be praiseworthy.) And the Magisterium interprets God word for the faithful members of the Church. And I remember that you accepted the Church’s interepretation of the fifth commandment, that it does not exclude just war, that it does not absolutely exclude capital punishment. So why do you not accept the Church’s interpretation of the sixth commandment as given by Pope Francis, which rejects rigorism? You are not consistent. You are treating Scripture in the fundamentalist way, at least with regard to the sixth commandment and the ninth commandment. The sixth commandment forbids adultery. I know that as well as you. But sometimes you have to put your thinking cap on to determine if something constitutes adultery or doesn’t. That’s all. Now if someone wants to slander the Vicar of Christ by suggesting that he approves adultery, he should at least bother to show how this is born out in texts of AL or elsewhere. But all the critics of AL are allergic to the actual texts in question, because those texts do not say what they want them to say. They are honest and clear texts. The critics are the ones with dirty minds, projecting their dirt on what is pure.
Pope Francis too often rationalizes and justifies irrationally.
In reviewing “A Line Through the Human Heart: On Sinning and Being Forgiven”, Angelico Press, 2016, Paul Senz says that the revered Father James V. Schall, S.J., points out that in one particularly cogent and important chapter (Chapter 9: “On Forgiveness”), Father Schall carefully examines what it takes to be forgiven once a wrong has been committed. Here, the priest balances mercy with real-life context in a given situation:
“In a homily at Santa Marta (January 23, 2015), POPE FRANCIS SPOKE OF ‘FORGIVENESS’: ‘God always forgives! He never tires of forgiving. It is we who tire of asking for forgiveness.’ The pope recalled the ‘how many times?’ question of scripture — the ‘seventy times seven.’ HE DID NOT MENTION THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT WOULD NOT BE FORGIVEN.[My capitals]. That sin is usually interpreted to mean that the sinner who chooses himself cannot be budged from attention to himself to look at something else. In such cases, the sin cannot be forgiven because it will not be admitted.”
“Before forgiveness, the sin must be acknowledged. This acknowledgment is what the priest has to hear and judge in confession. Usually, the promise to ‘sin no more’ is presumed. If I confess my sins but do not plan to change my ways, it is difficult to see what forgiveness might mean” (48).
“Archbishop Fulton Sheen expressed the unforgiveable sin as the sin of rationalizing or justifying one’s sins.” [“Apologetics And Catholic Doctrine”, Archbishop Michael Sheehan, Fr Michael Joseph, Saint Austin Press, 2001, p 558].
[Please bear with me] The Seven Sorrows Devotion. The Meditation 4.Sorrow, The meeting of Jesus and Mary on the way to the Cross:
Come o you sinners,come and see if you can endure so sad a sight. This Mother so tender and loving,meets her beloved Son,meets Him amid an impious rabble,who drag him to a cruel death,wounded,torn by stripes,crowned with thorns,streaming with blood,bearing his heavy cross.Ah,consider my soul,the grief of the Blessed Virgin thus beholding her Son!Who would not weep at seeing this Mothers grief?But who has been the cause of such?I,it is I,WHO WITH MY SINS have so cruelly wounded the heart of my sorrowing Mother!AND YET I AM NOT MOVED;I am as a stone,when my heart should break because of my ingratitude.5.Meditation the Crucifixion:Look,devout soul,look to Calvary,whereon are raised two alters of sacrifice,one on the Body of Jesus the other on the heart of Mary.Sad is the sight of that dear Mother drowned in a sea of woe,seeing Her beloved Son,part of her very Self,cruelly nailed to the shameful tree of the Cross.Ah me!how every blow of the hammer ,how every stripe which fell on the Savours form,fell also on the disconsolate spirit of the Virgin.As She stood at the foot of the cross,pierced by the sword of sorrow,She turns Her eyes on Him,until She knew He lived no longer and had resigned His Spirit to His Eternal Father.
Jesus did not come in to this world with His Mother and the Holy Ghost present to suffer as they did to bear false witness to lies, He came To bring us the whole truth nothing but the truth.The Holy Spirit can not bear witness to lies, today we have liars and deceivers preaching falsehoods that adultery can be excused as less than what it really is, a mortal sin.
Why are people fussing so much about Amoris Laetitia. It is just the pope’s opinion. Aren’t we allowed to differ from him? Catholics, in general, have not fully appreciated Vatican II’s teaching on role of personal conscience.
To Martin E and Thomist: Even when God exercises His mercy on us He does not leave us ‘altogether unpunished’. Christ’s sacrifice covers our sins but we still face consequences in this life for our wrong decisions. There is a Scripture that says, ‘He who fears is not made perfect in love because perfect love casts out all fear’. There is a lot behind that Scripture and I don’t think we fully understand it. Somehow I think it indicates that if we truly understood His love and mercy for us we would not fear for ourselves and those we love. I am putting my hope in that love that I don’t fully understand because that’s what I need.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE GOD"S WORD; they were given to us directly by GOD via Moses; they couldn’t be clearer—-They do NOT have to be “interpreted” and NO ONE ON THIS EARTH HAS THE “right” TO ALTAR GOD’S WORD in their “application.” The CATHOLIC Church has already taken steps outside the bounds GOD SET—-in cases where a validly married person whose spouse is still alive, has obtained a civil divorce, re-married and had children in the second marriage (again, the first spouse is still alive and the FIRST marriage was VALID)—-because children are involved in the Second Marriage. (In this case, the person who had a valid 1st Marriage is NOT supposed to engage in the “marital act” with his/her partner in the 2nd Marriage.) So, now, Pope Francis has come up with this NEW “interpretation” ....PRAY for our Cardinals and Bishops who have a huge responsibility before GOD and the CATHOLIC CHURCH to settle this matter on GOD’s WORD: “VI Commandment -THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.” and: “IX Commandment - THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBORS WIFE.”
Thomist: Proselytizing as the Holy Father is using the term, means going around pretending to “convert people”: i.e. pretending to advance the Christian cause by falsifying it, by structurally forgetting and denying that conversion is a work of God, that conversion is a profound thing, that conversion is essentially a change of heart and not a change of ideology. Proselytizing, in the sense that the Holy Father is using the term, is the ally of a superificial, Pelagian, grace-denying, false version of conversion. It is connected to a superficial, Pelagian, grace-denying version of Apologetics. St. Paul did not proselytize; he preached the Gospel. Proselytizing is essentially ego-centric. Preaching the Gospel is Christocentric.
Martin E: Jesus, who is God, (and who as God’s Word is God’s Justice), and not the woman, is—agreed—the object of the attack of the Pharisees in the story of the woman caught in adultery; the woman represents Israel. The Pharisees are rejecting the God of Israel, they are saying that the filth of the sin of the woman-who-represents-Israel should be attributed to the God of Israel. Adultery, according to the symbolic language of the Bible, represents all sin, represents all infidelity to the Spouse who is the Spouse of Israel; and to keep their own self-righteousness intact, they must attribute the filth of sin (represented by this womand) to God in the person of Jesus, whom they will crucify. They are saying to Jesus: “Here is your Israel, your Creation, your Plan, this filthiness!” Jesus is the True God, the God of Grace, radically opposed to the ur-Pelagianism of the Pharisees, radically opposed to self-righteousness. Jesus is God’s Justice, but God’s Justice is his Mercy. When Jesus tells the woman I do not judge you, it is the Word who is speaking, the Eternal Wisdom of God; it is Eternal Mercy who is speaking. The Word is this Non-Judgement. Therefore this non-judgement is an act of mercy. It does not undermine the moral order, but rather is the font of the moral order, of the “sin no more.” But it does undermine the moral order as conceived of by the Pharisees, the moral order of self-righteousness/ur-Pelagianism/hypocritical rigorism. Here once again I see Pope Francis as the dogged ally of the Gospel and of Jesus. The rigorists want a Jesus stripped of the Gospel an anti-Evangelical Jesus; but there is no such Jesus. Jesus and the Gospel are one.
Alexander on Saturday, May, 6, 2017 5:25 PM (EDT):
“The making of an exception in some cases of the divorced and remarried is not creating a general rule allowing divorce; it’s just mercy. I don’t know how else to say it.”
Bishop Fulton J Sheen in “The Electronic Christian” in “Blessed Are The Merciful” [Macmillan Publishing, 1979] shows how Jesus said it: “There shall be more joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.” [Lk 15:7].
Bishop Sheen points out that “whenever mercy is confronted not only with pain, but also with sin and wrong-doing, it becomes forgiveness that not merely pardons, but even rebuilds into justice, repentance, and love.”[p 35,36].
Since we know that we have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12), note the “repentance” that Bishop Sheen includes so it is vital to realize that such a course involves Our Lord’s stated help when we ask, and perseverance to the end in discerning His Will, not in concocting ways to defy it.
....And the Heading of the Article is: “A Tale of Two Interpretations of ‘Amoris Laetitia’
COMMENTARY: Guidelines issued by two dioceses offer opposing answers. The Church now faces a crisis of doctrinal and evangelical credibility.” AND the Question is: “Who couldn’t see the coming, when the Pope tells each Diocese, basically, that they can interpret AL as they see fit!?! Incredible! Folks, the Catholic Church is in a state of CRISIS—-BIGTIME! (NO “Thanks” to AL and to Pope Francis, who signed the Document!) BUT, we can “THANK GOD” that AL was NOT proclaimed an INFALLIBLE Document, AND, Thank GOD, JESUS is still with HIS CHURCH. BUT, pray, Pray, PRAY to JESUS for His One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Also, the CARDINALS AND BISHOPS HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS WITH POPE FRANCIS!
pope Francis words on rigidity.quote"This is the path of a Christian:going forward following Jesus footsteps,“Which is ,a trail of preaching ,a trial of suffering,the trail of the cross"and resurrection,I am sorry but Francis does not follow in Jesus footsteps on adultery Jesus is clear, Francis is says something else opposed to what Jesus clearly taught on adultery, Francis mentions a trail of suffering, the trail of the cross,Rigidity is mentioned many times by Francis,This does not equate to carrying ones suffering cross, he says if the suffering cross is to heavy,the rule must be to rigid no real need to carry it,we will fashion you a lighter one out of cardboard, JESUS WONT NOTICE,
I am totally confused with what pope Francis seems to be preaching , he preaches dont follow any rules, leave justice at the door, do not judge, dont need to go to confessions with a contrite heart, dont follow the commandments,Ignore revelation and tradition,Ignore the words of Christ,Is Francis saying Any one that tries to practise their faith fully,suffers from the temptation of rigidity,equating this with people living a double life ,showing them selves as beautiful,honest,but when no one is looking ,they do bad things.SHOULD I SHOW THIS TO GRANNY, MY MOTHER, MY WIFE, MY DAUGHTER, MY SON, MY NEIGHBOUR.Good descent people especially the elderly that have tried their best to practise their simple faith how confusing and devastating these words are especially for our elderly.IS THIS HIS CHARITY, MEEKNESS, MERCY,OR IS IT UNCHARITABLE, CRUEL, JUDGMENTAL-that he so out-rightly condemned.
To Martin E—
Here is “something of a shock” for you: based on your latest posting, you and I appear to be on the same side of the Laetitia Amoris debate. However, another blog commenter has just pointed out an error you may have made, possibly leading to your misinterpretation of my own prior postings:
“To Martin E, I think you attributed one of my comments to Robert Fischer. Your post on Friday, May, 5, 2017 7:52 AM refers to comments I made, not Robert Fischer.”
And, yes, a logical argument about topic A can be applied to other topics B,C,D, etc, However, great analytical and logical care must be followed to do so, since the detailed circumstances of B,C,D, etc. will likely be different than for topic A. I respectfully suggest you improve your attention to detail on your own postings and spend less time trying to re-state and re-apply the postings of others to other topics. The topic of this blog is Laetitia Amoris, so your attempt to divert the discussion to abortion to prove your point on LA was an example of a “False Flag” argument. Again, I think we agree on the substance of the Laetitia Amoris debate, but your lack of awareness of that became a casualty of your own analytical approach.
Alexander: What is mercy? In one sense mercy is a moral virtue that prompts its owner to have compassion for and to succor those in spiritual or temporal want. In another sense, it is the exaction of less than is due in justice.
Amoris Laetitia does not appear to be an exercise of mercy.
For the souls in irregular marriages, genuine mercy would compel one with compassion to teach the truth, to provide supports such as assistance in chastity, and to provide guidance and assistance in the annulment process to determine one’s actual status.
Amoris Laetitia instead provides for a “nudge, nudge, wink, wink” pretense that somehow sin can become virtue through “discernment”. That is not aimed at the actual welfare of the parties nor does it succor their genuine spiritual needs.
As to the second sense, Amoris Laetitia appears to deny that anything is due in justice because it purports to suspend the divine commandment.
In either sense it is not mercy. It is providing a snake to someone asking for a fish. It is providing a stone to someone asking for bread.
It appears to be an exercise of sentimentality, the substitution of shallow uncomplicated emotions at the expense of truth and reason.
To Carl Kuss, L.C., Thank you for the commentary you made on Saturday, May, 6, 2017 5:38 AM. You got to the heart of the matter when you wrote that ‘everything Jesus does is Mercy’ and when He upholds the objective moral order it “...is not a limitation on mercy, but an expression of mercy”.
To Thomist and Martin E, I appreciate your comments on what I wrote. I think that you may be missing a component of mercy that may not be spelled out in the literal text of God’s commands. I am not saying that I understand the Scripture better than you. I know that there is a lot about the Spirit of the Scripture and about God’s plans and purposes that I am barely grasping. I’m even sure that both of you have more faith than I do. The making of an exception in some cases of the divorced and remarried is not creating a general rule allowing divorce; it’s just mercy. I don’t know how else to say it.
To Thomist and Martin E, I appreciate your comments on what I wrote; however, I don’t think it is a stretch to say that you may be missing a component of mercy that can be seen when the ‘veil is removed’. I am not saying that I understand the Scripture better than you. I know that there is a lot about the Spirit of the Scripture and about God’s plans and purposes that I am barely grasping. I’m even sure that both of you have more faith than I do. The making of an exception in some cases of the divorced and remarried is not creating a general rule allowing divorce; it’s just mercy. I don’t know how else to say it.
Martin E: There is an immense library of post-Biblical writings, many of which are heretical, extra-Biblical, and outright contrary to the Bible. I find that I can’t put my personal discernment on a shelf for any of them. I examine everything carefully before I say yes to it, especially those things pertaining to my eternal life.
Pope Francis continues his problems, now with healthy proselytizing.
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31497
Catholic World News
Pope Francis: evangelize without proselytizing
May 05, 2017
“The Pope preached that Philip, when he joined the eunuch in his chariot, listened to him:
All men, all women have a restlessness in their hearts—[they may be] good or bad, but there is a restlessness. Listen to that restlessness. It’s not saying: ‘Go out and proselytize.’ No, no! ‘Go and listen.’ Listening is the second step. The first: ‘Get up and go’; the second: ‘Listen.’”
But the true meaning of proselytizing seems to be very necessary when conducted with love and discretion:
See http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31497
As Posted there by: feedback - Today 7:46 AM ET USA
‘I can’t figure out why “proselytizing” is such a serious sin. Dictionary synonyms of “proselytize” include the following: “evangelize, convert, seek/make converts, bring to God/Christ, bring into the fold, spread the gospel/word (to), propagandize, preach (to), win over, recruit, advocate or promote (a belief), present, spread, proclaim, propound, preach, urge, suggest, support, advocate, endorse, champion, sponsor, espouse, advance, further, assist, aid, help, contribute to, foster, boost.” ‘
To Martin E, I think you attributed one of my comments to Robert Fischer. Your post on Friday, May, 5, 2017 7:52 AM refers to comments I made, not Robert Fischer.
Carl Kuss—
To paraphrase a line from “True Grit”, you draw ‘rigorist’ like a gun. Honestly, I don’t care who is or is not a rigorist (whatever that may mean). The point is that the Church has always held that circumstances (or attitude or discernment or whatever) can never render having relations with someone not one’s spouse, not to constitute objective adultery. Nor has the pope changed this at all.
Certainly no priest (or anyone else) may legitimately counsel someone that circumstances etc. can render relations with a non-spouse anything less than objective adultery. And, since only God can know whether a subjective sin occurs, a mis-directing counselor runs the grave risk of leading someone to do not only what is objective adultery but also what in reality may also constitute subjective grave sin in God’s eyes.
Again: no priest can counsel someone that relations with a non-spouse will not constitute subjective grave sin, because that is something only God can know.
And Jesus went into the temple of God,and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers,and the seats of them that sold doves,And said onto them,It is written,My house shall be be called the house of prayer;but you have made it a den of thieves.“Jesus was not backward about going forward,HERE JESUS DEMONSTRATES TO US BY WORDS AND ACTIONS WHAT HE SAYS IS WHAT HE MEANS, THE SAME WITH GOES WITH ADULTERY, be in no doubt.
Robert Fischer: I am sure it is something of a shock to realize that the argument one has made for A can be used as effectively for B, C, and D.
While apparently in your personal opinion no mitigating circumstances can justify abortion, members of the Church, including clergy, make the contrary argument every single day, just as you wish to bypass a clear divine command on the issue of divorce.
God is merciful, but Christ said the road to Heaven was through the narrow gate.
Participation in or support for relations in a putative second marriage while in an apparently existing valid marriage requires going through a very wide gate.
Supporters of exceptions to the prohibition of abortion argue that God’s mercy is infinite and unconditional in all things.
I cannot be fairly accused of misrepresenting your views when I use them to illustrate their applicability to other issues on which you may hold differing personal opinions.
The point, of course, is that personal opinions - yours or others’ - are not laws and treating them as laws, which Amoris Laetitia appears to do - opens the floodgates.
Carl Kuss: In reading the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery let us keep the narrative in mind: the order of events and the logic of events.
To a Jewish audience, who would be familiar with the requirements of the Mosaic Law, a classic pharisaical trap is being set. Those setting out to trap Jesus begin by making clear the Law is merely a pretext. First, they fail to present the man, who would also be subject to the same penalty. Did they set up the woman as well, and that male partner would reveal their perfidy? Second, they would know that by that time death penalty for adultery was no longer imposed - only the Romans could punish by death.
At no point does Jesus propose or suggest that the Law has been amended or suspended. To the contrary, He insists on complete adherence to the law, one of the requirements of which is two or more witnesses.
Mercy involves reducing or foregoing a punishment which is due. His dismissal of the woman is not an act of mercy, it is an act of justice. She cannot be found guilty under the law, and therefore no punishment is assessed.
Noteworthy is that Jesus does NOT forgive her. In fact there is not a single instance in the Scriptures where Jesus forgives the unrepentant. The woman caught in adultery has expressed no remorse at all. He therefore dismisses and admonishes her.
Carl Kuss: Situation ethics weighs morality in terms of outcomes, it is an elaborated rendition of “the end justifies the means”.
What appears to be the dominant interpretation of Amoris Laetitia - I am unwilling to say it is authoritative since the Holy Father has refused to clarify and has appeared to endorse more than one interpretation - is that divorce and remarriage may not be considered adultery, despite a divine command, based on internal considerations and dispositions so occult they cannot be delineated.
The failure to acquiesce to this position alienates individuals and so the Holy Father is granting the clergy faculty to suspend the divine command so as to keep these individuals in membership and attendance. This is particularly important in Germany where the Church depends on government taxes distributed according to declared denomination.
In other words, to achieve a specific end a divine command is abrogated, which is by definition an application of situation ethics.
Peter Aiello: There was no confusion as to what is considered fallible or infallible on the topic of divorce UNTIL Amoris Laetitia.
If you can present a “post-Biblical writing” and a specific area of confusion in the way of an example, that would be very helpful.
To Martin Eble (aka Martin E?)—
Your misstatements and misinterpretations of my prior comments are incorrect. Others on this blog have interpreted them exactly the opposite of you, and they are correct. Whether you are supporting or opposing the Pope’s position on Laetitia Amoris, please use your own words. Please do NOT continue to attempt to distort what I have said. And with respect to abortion, PLEASE STOP USING IT AS ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR ABORTION, AND ALL ABORTIONS STOP A BEATING HEART OF A HUMAN BEING CREATED BY GOD. YOU KNOW THAT, AND ANYONE WHO TRIES TO EXCUSE AND/OR SUPPORT ABORTION KNOWS THAT. God is merciful, but Christ said the road to Heaven was through the narrow gate. Participation in or support for abortions requires going through a very wide gate. To me, the Pope is implying that God’s mercy is infinite and unconditional in all things. Then why do we need to follow the 10 Commandments or seek the Sacrament of Reconciliation, repent, and sin no more? That’s what I call licentiousness, and others on this blog have accurately tried to dissuade me of this view, although they failed to do so. You, Martin, have also failed in your two attempts to misrepresent my views by restating them in your own misrepresentative words. Please stop doing this. If you wish to argue against my views, please do so using your own words and views, not by misstating and misrepresenting my words and views posted on this blog.
Alexander: The Church received the moral content of the Old Testament but not the cultic.
The moral requirement of the Third Commandment, which states “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy”, is to put aside one day each week for the moral purposes of the sabbath.
The Book of Jubilees calls the Sabbath the great sign that work should be done during six days and dropped on the seventh.
In the Talmud the Sabbath is described as expressing the intimacy between God and Israel; from the days of Creation this relation has existed.
So, the Church put aside one day each week for the moral purposes of the sabbath. Since the choice of Saturday was cultic rather than moral, the moral content of the Commandment was in no way altered.
The prohibition against divorce was made by Christ Himself and its moral purpose in the commandment is explicit in the text recording it. Therefore, it is not subject to reception or interpretation.
All these people, polishing polishing and polishing adultery to promote, to make it more palatable, and to make it sound like a virtue, only makes it GLARINGLY more clear,It is an intrinsically evil mortal sin, never ever in keeping with the will of GOD,
Thomist (and Dave Gaetano): In reading the story of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery let us keep the narrative in mind: the order of events and the logic of events. The rigorist reading of this story concentrates on the end of the story, but subverts its real meaning. Jesus does say “sin no more” and indeed by saying this he insists on the objective moral order. The rigorist yanks this out of context to conclude that here Jesus is giving rigorists a little pat on the back, that there are passages in the Gospel in which Jesus is a rigorist, and this is one of them. The rigorist imagines a schizophrenic Jesus who is “merciful” sometimes and sometimes rigorist, the whole thing being fundamentally inexplicable and absurd. The rigorist believes that defending the objective moral order is the same thing as being rigorist; therefore he tries to convince us, by verbal sleight of hand, that when we are talking about rigorism, we are talking about the upright defense of objective moral principles. But Jesus in this passage and throughout the Gospel shows that everything he does is Mercy, that Mercy is the very center of his personality, that in being merciful He is the very image of the Eternal Father, the Father of mercies, that the moral order, the Law of Christ, springs from the Divine Act of Mercy. FIRST Jesus forgives the woman caught in adultery, and then he says to her “sin no more”: the moral order is not a limitation on mercy, but is an expression of mercy. The moral order is mercy, not a vacation from mercy. By being merciful Jesus teaches us true morality, His morality.
Dave Gaetano: Situation ethics is the very opposite of the true sense of Christian morality which I am defending and which Pope Francis is defending. Let us think carefully about this matter. Situation ethics is a superficial and false understanding of ethics according to which moral good and evil depend in the final analysis on the situation. It makes the substance depend on the accident, and thus undermines the very substance of morality by its relativization of the very difference between good and evil. Pope Francis is not saying that there is no difference between a morally good act and a morally evil one; he is arguing for discernment, not against it. He is saying what Our Lord says in John’s Gospel:“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” (John 7:24) It is the rigorist whose morality is superficial, i.e. based on appearance. For the rigorist rejects discernment and takes the superficial as his measuring rod. It is the rigorist who subverts morality.
Alexander: “with regard to the 3rd Commandment on the Sabbath….was altered. In order to do that it required an interpretation of Scripture that transcended its literal rendering.
The New Testament says (2Cor. 3v.6) that the ‘letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life’.”
You appear to forget that the Apostles were not “reinterpreting Scripture”, but fulfilling Christ’s commands including “Whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven” as He built His Church on St Peter fulfilling and superseding the Old Law of the Jews
“Since New Testament times it replaced the Jewish Sabbath (Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:2). St. John called it the Lord’s Day, which the Western Church later translated Dominica. The immediate reason for substituting Sunday for the Sabbath was to commemorate Christ’s Resurrection from the dead. Eventually Sunday also became a memorial of the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.” [See “Modern Catholic Dictionary” by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.
at http://www.therealpresence.org/cgi-bin/getdefinition.pl
Thomist: Dei Verbum 21 makes a very simple statement that everything in Christianity is regulated by Sacred Scripture. If tradition was included, it would have said so. How is it possible to misinterpret a simple statement like that? The CC says what it says; and so does the remainder of Vatican II.
Martin Eble: My comments have been directed at the confusion as to what is considered infallible or not by the Church in post-Biblical writings. A perfect example is the controversy around Amoris Laetitia. I have not read it that carefully to even give an opinion on it. I agree with Matthew, Mark, and Paul. They are less complicated.
Carl Kuss -
Your definition of ‘rigorist’ melds the objective and subjective natures of sin, whereas the Church has always carefully distinguished between the two—necessarily, because the objective and subjective natures of sin are quite distinct. Sin can hardly be rationally discussed from any other standpoint, without sinking into an acceptance of the proposed moral philosophy known as situation ethics. Moral behavior is objective in itself, and can be judged in that context, without reference to individuals who may engage on that behavior. And the Church has never rejected this understanding of moral philosophy. It is situation ethics that the Church has condemned.
Our Lord never adopted a position of situation ethics with the woman caught in adultery. He forgave the sinner, He did not psychoanalyze her and say her behavior was fine. And He told her to sin no more. He did nothing whatsoever to reject an objective view of sin, and did nothing whatsoever to define or oppose ‘rigorism’. He introduced the practices of the New Covenant wherein the old prescriptions for sin were lifted because He was to pay the price for sin.
Re-defining adultery to exclude some acts of having relations with someone not your valid spouse is a mere theological novelty, without basis in Church history. The Church has never condemned the position that relations with someone not your spouse is always adultery, nor has she ever termed that viewpoint ‘rigorist’. Rather, she has always upheld that position, and condemned the contrary.
I was looking through the Catechism of the Catholic Church with regard to the 3rd Commandment on the Sabbath. The actual Commandment requires the observance on the 7th day, but the Church teaches it was changed to the 1st day of the week or the 8th day if you count it as coming after the Sabbath. Furthermore, the manner of its observance was changed from that of the 7th day Sabbath. Here we have a Commandment that was altered in both the day and manner of observance. The New Testament doesn’t say anything about changing the Sabbath. The only evidence I see from the New Testament is that it was not required to be observed. Yet the Church from tradition enjoined it upon its members to observe the 1st day. I don’t want to engage in a debate on the Sabbath. What I want to point out is that here we have an example of a Commandment that was altered. In order to do that it required an interpretation of Scripture that transcended its literal rendering. There is a Spirit to the Scripture that needs to be discerned and it may have a component that is not expressed literally in the text. The New Testament says (2Cor. 3v.6) that the ‘letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life’.
Peter Aiello: Do you have one or more texts in a document of Vatican II that suggests that marriage is not indissoluble or that one can receive the Eucharist while persisting in sin?
Peter Aiello: I have never had any particular problem finding the pronouncements and documents it applies to.
Do you believe it applies to Matthew 19:3-12, Mark 10:2-12, and 1 Corinthians 7:10-11?
If not, why not?
If there is confusion, wouldn’t that call for exercise of the Petrine role of confirming the brethren?
Robert Fischer: Let’s try this:
Taken at its face, what you propose could as easily support the conclusion that if a couple have gone through a process of “discernment” with the help and guidance of the “faithful” clergy - and the clergy then makes an exception to the prohibition of abortion (or insert your favorite area of disagreement with the Church’s teaching) based on the “weight of mitigating circumstances” - all is well.
Do you perceive any problems of syntax that make it impossible to discern my meaning?
If not, could you explain why violating the divine prohibition against adultery is a different matter than violating the divine prohibition against abortion, or incest, or any one of the other prohibitions various folks wish to dispute?
Do you doubt that one could find “clergy” who would support any of these exceptions?
If a clergy did, would he be “faithful”?
Do you have a text or document that gives clergy the authority to suspend divine laws?
Posted by Peter Aiello on Friday, May, 5, 2017 5:37 PM (EDT):
‘Thomist: Vatican II’s Dei Verbum 21 states: “Therefore, like the Christian religion itself, all the preaching of the Church must be nourished and regulated by Sacred Scripture”. This is now part of what needs to be considered in terms of what is ranked as more important. The statements in Vatican II need to be reconciled and not ignored.’
As you create your own problems by misinterpreting Vatican II, see Dei Verbum 21: “She has always maintained them, and continues to do so, TOGETHER WITH SACRED TRADITION, as the supreme rule of faith”
24. “Sacred theology rests on the written word of God, TOGETHER WITH SACRED TRADITION, as its primary and perpetual foundation.”
Note again that only with Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium can anyone be properly equipped to understand faithfully Sacred Scripture, which is why there are thousands of sects all teaching differently and incompletely what God wants.[SEE: CCC #95].
Catholics who pick and choose are known as “cafeteria” Catholics, not real Catholics.
Carl Kuss May, 5, 2017 1:34 PM (EDT):
“Our Lord spoke out against the rigorist interpretation of sexual ethics in his words to the woman caught in adultery: No one has condemned you? Neither do I condemn you…..Here you have Our Lord rejecting rigorism in sexual ethics.”
The error in that conclusion is the failure to realize the vital importance that Our Lord condemns the sin – “go and sin no more” – the vital rigorism, which is the strict morality that she had committed sin and must stop doing so. [See “A Commentary on Holy Scripture”, Dom Bernard Orchard, Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1952, p 997].
Since we know that we have to work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12), it is vital to realize that such a course involves Our Lord’s stated help when we ask, and perseverance to the end in discerning His Will, not in concocting ways to defy it.
Thomist: Vatican II’s Dei Verbum 21 states: “Therefore, like the Christian religion itself, all the preaching of the Church must be nourished and regulated by Sacred Scripture”. This is now part of what needs to be considered in terms of what is ranked as more important. The statements in Vatican II need to be reconciled and not ignored.
Martin E: The problem with the word “magisterium” is not its definition, but instead, what pronouncements and documents it applies to. I detect a lot of understandable confusion in these comments.
Being contrite and intending to amend one’s behavior was a requirement of the Jewish law for forgiveness. In fact, as the law stated, were an offender to purport to be contrite and to intend to lead an amended life seven times, and seven times the offender repeated the offense, there was no further requirement to forgive him. He was clearly not earnest.
Being contrite and intending to amend one’s behavior is an internal thing, not an external thing.
The sacrament of Reconcilation, an integral part of the Christian covenant, goes further and forgives sins. But, it requires - as did the Mosaic law - the proper internal state.
Unlike the Mosaic law there is no limit to the number of times God will forgive us.
According to the Law given to Moses and laid out in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, adultery was a sin punishable by death - for both the man and the woman! Only the woman was brought before Jesus. This exposed the motives of the religious leaders.
Our Lord demanded that the Mosaic Law be complied with, that there be agreement between two or three witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6, 19:15). Jesus faced the same requirement in his trial before Caiaphas (Matthew 26:57–60).
As those ready to stone her walk away one by one, the woman is left standing alone. With no witnesses to accuse her, Jesus points out that the Law REQUIRES that she be let go. He is not violating the Mosaic Law, he is being a rigorist.
” ... they went away, one by one, beginning with the elders; and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus straightened up and said to her, ‘Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?’ She said, ‘No one, sir.’ And Jesus said, ‘Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again.’”
Were your interpretation correct, He would have told her to go her way, there being no sin involved to refrain from repeating.
To Martin E regarding your statement: “Robert Fischer: Taken at its face, you’re proposing that if a couple have gone through a process of “discernment” with the help and guidance of the “faithful” clergy and the clergy then make an exception to the prohibition of abortion (or insert your favorite area of disagreement with the Church’s teaching) based on the “weight of mitigating circumstances” that does not mean licentiousness is being endorsed.”
First of all, your syntax makes it impossible to discern with certainty what you actually mean. Second, please stop putting words into my mouth. I posted what I posted. What you posted is NOT what I posted and therefore does NOT mean what I mean. In fact, I believe you may have misstated what you actually mean in your post. Thank you.
“The Apostles entrusted the sacred DEPOSIT OF FAITH[the depositum fidei;see 1 Tim 6:20;2 Tim 1:12-14]contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition,to the whole of the Church.by adhering to [this heritage]the entire holy people,united to its pastors,remains always faithful to the teaching of the apostles,to the brotherhood,to the breaking of bread [the Eucharist]and the prayers.So,in maintaining,practising and professing the faith that has been handed on,their should be a remarkable harmony between the bishops and the faithful.“Both Oral Tradition and Scripture"come from the same divine wellspring.” WILL I BE SWAYED, OR LISTEN TO NAME CALLERS, AND DECEIVERS,NO I WILL NOT. I BOW MY HEAD AND BEND MY KNEE TO CHRIST OUR KING.
Dave Gaetano: Our Lord spoke out against the rigorist interpretation of sexual ethics in his words to the woman caught in adultery: No one has condemned you? Neither do I condemn you. If our Lord had been a rigorist, he would have said. Although no one has condemned you, I condemn you, because you were caught in flagrant adultery. Here you have Our Lord rejecting rigorism in sexual ethics. Here you have your definition: rigorism is that doctrine which holds that moral behavior can and ought to be judged mereley from the outside, because morality is a mere matter of rules. It follows from that definition that the rules of which morality consists ought to be applied with an infinite degree of strictness. The rigorist never gets beyond his rules, because those rules fill his mind, because he is obsessed with them. When I speak of rigorism I am accused of using words sloppily, but rigorism is something really well-defined. The Church has rejected it in the past and continues to do so today. Our Lord rejected it also when he said that his yolk was easy and his burden light, words that make no sense to the rigorist. The yolk of Jesus is really nothing more than the yolk of Truth, the yolk of the Gospel. But the rigorist thinks that truth consists of the narrowness of his own spirit. When I speak of rigorism I am accused of insulting people. That is very far from my intention. My intentions is to point out an error, and to show the true lignt of the truth of the Gospel, the truth of Christ.
“The rigorist interpretation of those [6th and 9th] commandments is false and anti-biblical.”
A rigorous definition of ‘rigorist’ is in order here. And hopefully it will not be such as to impugn the Church’s common pastoral practice over the last 2,000 years.
The word “Magisterium” is not difficult to define:
“The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is the church’s authority or office to establish its own authentic teachings. That authority is vested uniquely in the pope and the bishops, under the premise that they are in communion with the correct and true teachings of the Faith.”
Nor does it require a Doctor of Divinity to figure out what is to be believed IF the inquirer suspends his belief that he, and he alone, knows it all.
The issue of concern in Amoris Laetitia is not the result of “popularity of a particular teaching”. To the contrary, it involves a divine command, one which - as Henry VIII demonstrated - is wildly unpopular.
If we begin with Sacred Scripture alone we note that Christ Himself declared marriage to be indissoluble and that Paul taught that the Christian who consumes the Eucharist unworthily does so to eternal damnation.
It is inherently objective grave sin to have relations with someone who is not one’s spouse.
No ‘mitigating circumstances’ can ever suffice to justly empower a confessor (or one’s own properly formed conscience) to give permission to have such sinful relations. Nor can any ‘mitigating circumstances’ ever suffice to justly empower a confessor (or one’s own properly formed conscience) to justify receiving Communion if one expects to (continue to) engage in such sinful relations.
This has been the constant teaching of the Church. Pope Francis has not altered this. Anyone who claims otherwise has a grave obligation to demonstrate it with most concise evidence.
Robert Fischer: Taken at its face, you’re proposing that if a couple have gone through a process of “discernment” with the help and guidance of the “faithful” clergy and the clergy then make an exception to the prohibition of abortion (or insert your favorite area of disagreement with the Church’s teaching) based on the “weight of mitigating circumstances” that does not mean licentiousness is being endorsed.
It does not take Thomas Aquinas to note that such clergy can hardly be called “faithful”, or that no one - even the Pope - has the authority and power to dispense from divine commands.
I am reading Malta as it is written. It says that those acting in contravention of a divine teaching, confirmed by two millennia of tradition and practice, who have concluded that they deserve an exception to a divine command, should be treated at parity with those having relations within a valid marriage.
There is nothing pastoral, or even Christian, about leaving those individuals with the impression that the path they are walking is the result of a “well-formed conscience”.
To propose that “A” becoming “not A” is a “development” of Familiaris Consortio does not change the easily demonstrated reality that Amoris Laetitia is being interpreted to permit those in an invalid - despite not living as brother and sister - marriage to be treated at parity with those who are validly married in contravention of a clear divine command.
Nor does using “rigorist” as a shibboleth change that or mitigate the Holy Father’s failure to correct that intepretation.
when the D&R couple are on their path of discernment with the help of their priest, the priest by duty must explain and define how to refrain from committing adultery, and what the sin of adultery is in the light of Gods divine written truth,The priest by charity will explain .1. Adultery is Grave Matter the act itself is intrinsically evil and immoral.2.Full knowledge:the person must know that what they are doing or planning to is evil, and immoral.3.Deliberate consent:the person must freely choose to commit the act or plan to do it.the priest by explaining has given them full knowledge.the couple can be in no doubt now that if they engage in sexual relations it is adultery.The priest will also explain that if one partner wants to live as brother and sister, but cant because the other partner is pressurising the other to get his way, The priests duty at all times is to protect both souls.The priest will then inform that person that is pressurising the other partner that if he goes against the will of the other partner, he is in fact committing rape,It is true this is not an easy path for the D&R to follow,but if they are both sincere and contrite living as brother and sister, they will receive the grace to follow Christ and to receive him through the sacraments.Today the world is driven by what is convenient to man,To follow in faith we must pick up or inconvenient CROSS and walk with it.Psalm 51:17 Sacrifice to God is a broken spirit,a broken contrite heart you never scorn.
Martin E: The exceptions which are being spoken of here are exceptions to a standard interpretation of the divine commandment and not to the divine commandment itself. The point is that the divine commandment is not to be identified with the standard interpretation. To admit this is to admit the need for discernment, that there are cases which require discernment. Such discernment does not imply any lack of respect for the divine commandment; on the contrary it requires an attitude of true reverence before the Word of God.
Emmett: Contrition and a firm purpose of amendment are not “something we are required to do.” That whole way of speaking corresponds to a rigorist, formalist and absurd way of looking at the sacrament of pennance. One reduces the sacrament to a following of procedures, to a merely exterior thing. Nota bene: I am not denying that the sacramental absolution requires contrtion and a firm purpose of amendment. I am saying that one undermines the sacrament if one reduces it to rule-following. Contrition is a matter of the heart.
Theresa H. The sixth and ninth commandments are divinve law. The rigorist interpretation of those commandments is false and anti-biblical. Thus we are supposed to distinguish between one thing and another: discernment.
Carl Kuss May, 4, 2017 7:09 PM (EDT):
I don’t remember the Holy Father insulting anyone regarding the matter of AL. Where does he do that?
The Pope too often speaks in insulting terms – read for yourself in this exposé.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/2016-the-year-pope-francis-finally-showed-his-hand
ROME, January 3, 2017 (LifeSiteNews)
2016: The year Pope Francis finally showed his hand
John-Henry Westen
December 21, 2016
Pope: ‘Malicious resistance’ to my reforms that ‘takes refuge in traditions’ is from the devil.
Peter Aiello on Friday, May, 5, 2017 1:32 AM (EDT):
“The fact that all Christian teaching needs to be regulated by Sacred Scripture is a good place to start our inquiry into truth.”
Your persistent confusion is of your own making, so study the CCC and include #95.
CCC #95: “It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.”
Note that only with Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium can anyone be properly equipped to understand faithfully Sacred Scripture, which is why there are thousands of sects all teaching differently and incompletely what God wants.
Trying to figure out what the word “magisterium” means is just as difficult as trying to figure out what is to be believed. This is why everything that we personally adhere to needs to involve the discernment of our personal conscience. There is no exception to this whether a statement is deemed by the Church to be infallible or not. Believing something just because it is the Catholic thing to do is dangerous because it may be entirely wrong and detrimental for salvation. The popularity of a particular teaching is no guarantee of truth. The fact that all Christian teaching needs to be regulated by Sacred Scripture is a good place to start our inquiry into truth. I know that this doesn’t sound Catholic enough for some, but it is coming from the writings of Vatican II which may or may not be considered “magisterium”.
We’ve had this before—Pope Honorius, negligently failed to teach correctly.
Pope Leo II (682-683) blames “Honorius, who did not, as became the apostolic authority, extinguish the flame of heretical teaching in its first beginning, but fostered it by his negligence” (Leonis II ad Episcopos Hispanie in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 7:455;). In sum,
SEE: http://www.catholicculture.org/cultu…fm?recnum=3301
We need to heed the Pauline imperatives:
1 Cor 1:10: I urge you brothers, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.
“Test everything: retain what is good.” (1Thess 5:21).
The 6th and 9th COMMANDMENTS ARE DIVINE LAW. NO man, not even a Pope can over-ride DIVINE LAW, PERIOD.
To Robert Fischer, The extending of mercy by making an exception is not licentiousness. When a divorced and remarried couple have gone through a process of discernment with the help and guidance of the faithful clergy and the clergy then make an exception based on the ‘weight of mitigating circumstances’ that does not mean licentiousness is being endorsed. Anyone who would thereafter say, ‘I am going to sin and get away with it by getting an exception’ has not undergone a process of discernment or repentance. The clergy with careful investigation would discern the lack of repentance and an exception would not be made. There is always the possibility of abuse by some but that shouldn’t mean that we deny patience and mercy to sincere people in difficult circumstances seeking God’s help. There’s a world of broken and hurting people out there and “Amoris Laetitia” is a guide on how to reach them and bring them into God’s grace.
Their has always been a path of charity and mercy shown by the Catholic church towards D&R no one is ever abandoned,like them every one else with out exception are asked to present them selves in a state of grace {with out mortal sin}to receive The Holy Eucharist,So what does Amoris Laetitia ch 8 now offer the divorced and remarried ,they can now continue through ought and after their journey of discernment even while saying I can not stop and I will not stop sexual relations because their are mitigating circumstances, absolution is then granted with out any firm amendment or contrition, {which every one else is required to do}, they also are exempt of mortal sin henceforth which will encourage others that their is no need to get married and to continue in this lifestyle,Contrary to the will of Christ our King, also committing sacrilege each time they receive the Holy Eucharist their after.This will set a precedent for all types of mortal sin, ENCOURAGING SERIAL MURDERERS,RAPISTS,PAEDOPHILES,ROBBERS,THIEVES,WIFE BEATERS,AND OF COURSE LETS NOT FORGET ADULTERERS TO EXCUSE THEIR TERRIBLE CRIMES, IT WILL DESTROY THE INDISSOLUBILITY OF MARRIAGE,CONFESSIONS,AND THE HOLY EUCHARIST, THIS IS INSANITY,Our Lady of Fatima pray for us amen.
Martin E: I am reading Malta the way it asks to be read, whereas you are reading it simply the way you want to read it. Malta does not teach the way of ease. It says that sacraments should not be withheld from souls on the path of pennance who have reached conclusions corresponding to a well-formed conscience. That is what it says. You say that it approves of adultery. But it does not say that. It urges us to follow the pastoral path to the end, and not to give in to the rigorist temptation. Rigorism is the way of ease and the way of hypocrisy. The pastoral path is the way of consequent accompaniment, of not abandoning souls. Nothing easy about that.
Thomist: That someone tries to escape from the fact that AL is equally magisterial as FC (John Paul II) does not prove anything (both are post-synodail apostolic exhortations.). Frankly I am not aware of those supposed passages in which Pope Francis is just giving his opinion. Where are they? Yet I am not saying that AL reverses or alters the teaching of FC. Rather, it develops it. It clarifies the meaning of what is entailed by a commitment to live as brother and sister among the divorced and remarried, showing that pastors should not be employ a superficial rigorist hermeneutics to the delicate path of grace which these souls have embarked upon. (The rigorist is both strict and lax, he can be both at the same time because he reduces everything to rules.)
Carl Kuss May, 4, 2017 2:27 AM (EDT):
“we are bound to adhere to the teaching of the ordinary magisterium, even when there is no infallible pronouncement of doctrine. To deny that would make an absurdity out of the Magisterium.”
This is NOT a “teaching of the ordinary magisterium”, as you should know, but a “view” or “preference” as expressed by Pope Francis.
EXCLUSIVE: Cardinal Burke says Pope’s exhortation must be read ‘critically’
CARDINAL BURKE RECALLED THAT “WE HAVE ALL THE TOOLS IN OUR FAITH TO UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THIS KIND OF WRITING,” PARTS OF WHICH, BEING “PERSONAL THOUGHTS” OF POPE FRANCIS, ARE NOT “PART OF THE MAGISTERIUM.” Up to now, such an appeal has not been made by any prelate of the Church, but many, including Cardinal Burke, have asked for it to be interpreted in the light of its constant teaching regarding Faith and morals. [My capitals].
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-cardinal-burke-says-popes-exhortation-must-be-read-critically
Malta *teaches* nothing. Malta *asserts* - in contradiction to settled teaching - that a Catholic can conclude with an “upright conscience” that God’s commandments are too hard, that Christ’s teaching that the grace to conform to the Father’s will never be denied is wishful thinking, that every Catholic is her or his own Pope.
The statement that a “well formed conscience can arrive at ... (a) ... conclusion” diametrically opposed to a divine command makes a mockery of the phrase “well formed”.
As you define “rigorism”, Christ was a rigorist.
These souls must be accompanied by teaching the truth, pointing them to the sacrament of reconciliation, the power of prayer, and the call to perfection. We are called to a life of difficulty, not ease. They must not be abandoned to wallow in sin under the guise of “mercy”, which in truth is not mercy but indifference - and in the case of the Maltese bishops material heresy.
Thomist: You cite one of your authorities, Philip Lawler, who says “The Holy Father owes us explanations not insults” and you say that he has spoken wisely. I don’t remember the Holy Father insulting anyone regarding the matter of AL. Where does he do that? The Pope has spoken critically of the pharisaical morality, rigorist morality, based solely on rule-following, whose only criteria are exterior criteria. But when the Pope does that he is giving you your explanation, he is explaining to you what the Eighth Chapter of AL is all about, he is explaining to you exactly what he meant to say. He is illuminating that which as at the center of the morality taught by Christ, and he is helping us to understand what the pastoral approach to those in irregular situations should be, and what it should not be. He is saying that those in irregular situations should not be judged acoording to merely external criteria, that rule-following does not suffice as a pastoral response to those in irregular situations, that there is no pastoral action without mercy.
Let’s wait to see what happens as a result of the 4 CARDINALS’ communication with Pope Francis….As the old saying goes:“TIME WILL TELL.” These kinds of SERIOUS problems (this matter falls under the 6TH and 9TH COMMANDMENTS, folks!)—-that go all the way to the Roman Pontiff are NOT RESOLVED by anybody. nor everybody’s “opinions.” FYI: 6th Commandment: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. 9th Commandment: THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBORS WIFE.
To Alexander - The Catholic Church includes over 2000 years of “Doctrine and dogma” that you claim are not being changed by Amoris Latitia. Numerous Cardinals and Bishops disagree with you on this assertion. Regarding your comment to Thomist, “The exception is made in a ‘particular circumstance’ because the general rule could not address or provide adequately in that ‘particular circumstance’”, when a general rule given to us by Jesus Christ Hiself can be overruled by a single Bishop in any particular circumstance, and a recurring sin can be declared no longer a sin by that bishop, so that the sinners need not “go and sin no more” as Christ directed, the Catholic Church no longer remains the Bride of Christ. Your definition of “mercy” has now become licentiousness as others on this blog have already pointed this out. This is what socialists like Pope Francis I do - they hand out “free” sinful goodies to others and say “don’t worry, they aren’t harmful for you, they are good for you.” And your assertion that God is telling us to accept the heresies in Amoris Laetitia may be your opinion, but it is not ex cathedra Catholic Doctrine, nor is Amoris Laetitia itself ex cathedra Catholic doctrine as others have pointed out. In my opinion and I believe in the opinions of millions and millions of other traditional Catholics including members of the Episcopate, Amooris Laetitia is a wide doorway to Gehenna that has been thrust upon us by Pope Francis I and his socialist followers.
E. Christian Brugger: You say this: “But the credibility of the Gospel and the Church is jeopardized by those who treat the teachings of Jesus as if they are “humanly impossible.” Jesus’ message on marriage and chastity is a merciful message. It is not bad news; it is Good News.” Malta does not say that the teachings of Jesus are (sometimes) humanly impossible; Malta teaches that well formed conscience can arrive at the conclusion that complete abstention at a certain moment and circumstances is humanly impossible. That doesn’t mean impossible for God. Your pastoral line gives to such a conscience the ultimatum. “Comply or the Church, acting in God’s name, abandons you.” But this couple has not sinned! Francis and with him Malta are saying that you do not abandon such a couple. But you say by giving the ultimatum it gives them truth. But it is not the truth. You are demanding the couple to hypocritically “do” that which its upright conscience has judged to be humanly impossible, in other words you are flying in the face of the truth. You are not telling them to rely on grace, that is to pray, you are telling them that they can “do,” comply, without grace, you are not turning them to the God of grace, but away from Him. You speak of your belief in mercy, and in a grace-filled universe, but at the key moment the Pelagianism, the rigorism, comes out. This couple has not sinned, they are on the path of mercy, of conversion and of conscience. Your “comply or else” moment denies the work God has realized in their souls, it rejects their humility. (Their humility is already a fruit of God’s grace. Your “comply or else” moment reveals that in spite of protestations your morality (I am not speaking of you personally, but of your position) is the merely external morality of the pharisees and not that of Jesus. Rigorism is an obsession, and when one is obsessed, the obsession will show itself, in spite of one’s attempts to camouflage it. These souls must not be abandoned. They must be aocompanied.
Mercy consists of punishing less than justice demands. Amoris Laetitia does not involve mercy; as interpreted by the bishops of Malta it involves license, the position that “A” and “not A” are at par.
If “certain circumstances” justify an “exception” to a divine command, then those “certain circumstances” have been elevated to the level of a rule by definition. Stating otherwise does not change that.
Either marriage is indissoluble or it is not. That rule does not seem to lend itself to “exceptions”. And, since this is a divine command rather than a discipline, the Church appears to lack the authority to make any exceptions to it.
Slanting Christ’s words about adultery to mean that if someone continues in it for a long enough period of time and for the ‘right’ reasons, the adultery can cease to be adultery, is to set aside 2,000 years of Church teaching. Such a stance also would eliminate the remotest possibility that the words of the Scriptures are comprehensible, and render the Scripture readings during every Mass an exercise in complete futility.
Thomist: Papal documents may not be infallible, but it is far better, safer, more reasonable and more Catholic to be following them than to be following some little band of so-called experts and academics who are dissenting (whether they be liberals or conservatives), even when you have a couple of cardinals among them. Secondly: we are bound to adhere to the teaching of the ordinary magisterium, even when there is no infallible pronouncement of doctrine. To deny that would make an absurdity out of the Magisterium. Thirdly, I (and others) have presented arguments in support of the teachig of AL and have not been calling for blind submission, whereas the critics of AL merely echo each other, avoid the text of AL, and when they do deal with it, wrench it out of context. You are suggesting that our side is suggesting blind, mindless submission. That is totally untrue.
Alexander: “Your rigid line of thought does not allow God to extend mercy in certain circumstances (not that God needs your permission).”
You not only fail to realise the fact that Pope Francis has not only failed to answer the most reasonable Dubia as well as the faithful objections of many scores of faithful, eminent Catholic scholars, but as the faithful Phil Lawler has so wisely written “Many faithful Catholics believe that with Amoris Laetitia, Pope Francis has encouraged beliefs and practices that are incompatible with the prior teachings of the Church. If that complaint is accurate, he has violated the sacred trust that is given to Peter’s successors. If it is not accurate, at a minimum the Holy Father owes us explanations, not insults.”
SEE: http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1199
“Pope Francis has become a source of division” by Phil Lawler, Jan 27, 2017
But we keep getting insults from the Pope and from fellow travellers.
Thomist, Doctrine and dogma are not being changed. Mercy and patience are being extended and some exceptions made based on the mitigating circumstances. “Amoris Laetita” states in Chapter 8 that when an exception is made, that exception is not to be ‘elevated to the level of a rule’. The exception is made in a ‘particular circumstance’ because the general rule could not address or provide adequately in that ‘particular circumstance’. Your rigid line of thought does not allow God to extend mercy in certain circumstances (not that God needs your permission). Furthermore, in a divorce and remarriage case, if an exception is made you can no longer judge the current marriage as being adulterous.
That some turn conscience into a god shows how they have misunderstood the teaching of the Church.
We have seen in Dignitatis Humanae #14: “However, in forming their consciences the faithful must pay careful attention to the sacred and certain teaching of the Church.”
As the revered Fr John A Hardon, S.J. has emphasised, the General Catechetical Directory approved by Pope Paul VI states: “Accordingly, the conscience of the faithful, even when informed by the virtue of prudence, must be subject to the Magisterium of the Church, whose duty it is to explain the whole moral law authoritatively, in order that it may rightly and correctly express the objective moral order.
“Further, the conscience itself of Christians must be taught that there are norms which are absolute, that is, which bind in every case and on all people.”
[“The Catholic Catechism” Fr Hardon, S.J., Doubleday & Co., p 294.]
SEE: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_11041971_gcat_en.html
Thus no real Catholic chooses to evade or change the Church’s teaching to suit themselves.
The FACT that “Guidelines issued by two Dioceses offer opposing answers” to the “interpretation” of “Amoris Laetitia” should not come as a surprise! No doubt about it, who could NOT see this coming!?! That every Bishop (or even a “Bishops’ Conference”) will figure out how to “interpret” Amoris Laetitia for their diocese, or even a whole Country is ridiculous and absurd! For sure: “the Church now faces a crisis of Doctrinal and Evangelical Credibility” BIG TIME!—- A crisis that we, the people living today, have not seen in our lifetime—-that the Catholic Church has not seen for Centuries! I just wonder: WHAT is going on in Rome(?) and HOW is this going to be resolved? At this point, all we, the Laity, can do is pray, “pray without ceasing” for our Cardinals and Bishops—-and for POPE FRANCIS!!!
Peter Aiello: “The truth cannot impose itself ...”.
Indeed people are free to wallow in error. So, what is the role of the Church?
The Church was divinely commissioned to bring all truth to all men.
How can She accomplish that by endorsing, or at least quietly acquiescing to, untruth as suggested by Amoris Laetitia and - among others - the bishops of Malta? How does that advance truth? How does that bring about the Kingdom?
In John 18:37-38 we read Jesus tell Pontius Pilate “In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.”
Isn’t Amoris Laetitia, and the bishops who endorse it, retorting “What is truth?”
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE “DIVINE LAW”—-they are straight-forward and clear. NO man, including the Roman Pontiff of the “One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church,” can change, or contrarily “interpret” DIVINE LAW! When Annulments have been granted from ROME (only), it was because it has been clearly established that the marriage was “invalid” FROM THE BEGINNING. (The Catholic Church has NO authority to annul a VALID marriage!) It is concerning that Annulments will, now, be granted via the individual Dioceses around the world. Just think for a minute what this means….: IF “I don’t like the decision of the Marriage Tribunal in my Diocese, I’ll just move to another part of the Country—-to another Diocese and petition there!” ....What is going on in Rome these days is very troubling. NONE-THE-LESS, The Roman Catholic Church has been through difficult times in past centuries, but, ultimately, JESUS HAS PROMISED TO BE “WITH” HIS CHURCH—-“UNTIL THE END OF TIME.”
Thomist: Has Vatican II turned personal conscience into a god?
“This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.” (Dignitatis Humanae 1).
Padre Pio,s own words about Confession.“It is a tremendous responsibility to sit in the tribunal of the confessional.God runs after the most stubborn souls,they cost him to much to abandon them.After a day of confessions:“Oh the souls!if you knew how much they cost!.THE SIGHT OF SO MANY SOULS WHO WISH TO JUSTIFY THEIR EVIL WAYS PAINS ME,EXHAUSTS MY BRAIN,AND TEARS AT MY HEART.SIN TO CONFESSION TO SIN WITH OUT REPENTANCE IS A DECEPTION OF CONSCIENCE,IN ESSENCE A SACRILEGE.Among you I am your Brother,on the Alter I am your victim,in the confessional I am your Judge.” A true man of God who among us could argue with that.?
Alexander: “I don’t think we should be too quick to declare everything that comes out of Rome as infallible or ‘definitive’.”
In fact little is infallible or ‘definitive’ considering the wordiness coming from this pontiff.
“I don’t have a problem with “Amoris Laetitia” because my understanding and conscience tell me that this is a work of God.”
Then you have failed to understand it, and the “Dubia” of the faithful cardinals.
Peter Aiello:
“Thomist: How do you know what is definitive or not if something is not explicitly stated as infallible?”
First, it is crystal clear that the defining of a truth of faith and morals by the Magisterium to be held by all the faithful is what makes that truth infallible teaching as the already quoted Canon 750 §2 shows.
Peter Aiello: “This is where personal conscience comes into play. Even the explicitly infallible needs to flow through personal conscience in order to be binding on the individual.”
That statement of yours shows your attempt to make conscience into a god.
Dignitatis Humanae teaches emphatically:
#1: “The sacred Council…leaves intact the traditional Catholic teaching on the moral duty of individuals and societies towards the true religion and the one Church of Christ.”
#14: “However, in forming their consciences the faithful must pay careful attention to the sacred and certain teaching of the Church.”
Thus conscience is NOT a god, and for the faithful Catholic is correctly formed ONLY by conforming its judgments faithfully to the teaching of the Magisterium.
Thus you do not have the licence to allow your conscience to disregard the infallible teaching of the Magisterium as binding if you seek to be a faithful Catholic.
I’m still confused. As an EEM, there is a couple who get in line for Holy Communion every time I serve in this capacity whom, I suspect, are in an irregular situation. But I’m not sure. And I am no authority to make any decisions regarding whether or not to administer the Eucharist to them. So I do. Besides, it’s on them, not me. How do I know they just didn’t recently go to confession and/or get their situation regulated? When in doubt, hand Communion out. And I am always in doubt.
MorganB: The answer to the question “Are we living in sin?” can be answered only by you and the Creator, since the elements and internal dispositions are known only to you.
Objectively marriage is indissoluble. Therefore, Fr. Damas acted correctly in not celebrating a putative “marriage” in the Church. A party seeks an annulment, not a parish priest. That would have been the appropriate course of action.
If one or both parties to a marriage are Catholic, without a dispensation a ceremony in a Dutch Reformed Church would be without sacramental effect at all.
This is the same response given by others at catholicvote.org to the same question in January.
Tell me, was the LORD GOD just joking when He gave Moses the 6TH and 9TH COMMANDMENTS??? Neither a Bishop, nor a Cardinal, nor even the Pope has the Authority to change DIVINE LAW, nor do they have the “right” to “alter” it. Also, TODAY, our society has embraced a “Secular” Culture—-“as if GOD does NOT exist” and less than 30% of Catholics attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days—-So, it’s no surprise when people express “views” that are clearly contrary to GOD’s Law—-and the Six Precepts of the Catholic Church. As for what comes from the POPE, the FACT is, a Pope can, also, err—-it’s happened in past centuries, but, the Pope will never “proclaim” an “Infallible Teaching” that is in error. For the rest, “Papal Documents” are supposed to apply the perennial Teaching of the Catholic Church to the current situations of our Times….“Amorous Laetitiae” is telling the Bishops they can adapt the Document as they see fit in their own Diocese; THAT is a catastrophe “waiting to happen!”
The indissolubility of marriage came from the Author of our salvation, not from “Rome”.
I have friends whose understanding and conscience tell them that abortion is the work of God. Others claim same sex “marriage” is compatible with the Gospel.
Every position cannot be treated on par with the Catholic Faith.
“Amoris Laetitia” confuses mercy with license. Fortunately not everything that comes out of Rome is infallible or definitive, as it so thoroughly demonstrates.
I don’t think we should be too quick to declare everything that comes out of Rome as infallible or ‘definitive’. That’s a good way to lose most of the membership. There are some core teachings that are essential and I’m sure the Church will tell you what they are. Individual conscience is important and should not be ignored. I don’t have a problem with “Amoris Laetitia” because my understanding and conscience tell me that this is a work of God. On the other hand, I have a problem with the Encyclical on the Environment. My point is that I can’t mindlessly accept everything that comes out of Rome. In the New Testament there’s a passage describing the ‘Bereans searching the Scriptures to see if the things they were told were true’. In the gospels, Jesus asked a teacher of the Law what his interpretation of the Scripture was. Both the laity and the clergy should be using their minds and hearts.
Pastoral care requires truth-telling. A pastor of the Church is required if one of the faithful seeks moral guidance to provide it accurately. A pastor who does otherwise is himself guilty of sin. See Matthew 7:9-11 and Luke 11:11-13.
The Church is attentive to the medicines for human weakness, first in teaching the entire Gospel accurately, and second in the sacrament of Reconciliation through which - sometimes in stages over time - the sinner can be led to penitence.
To sow confusion by apparently endorsing error is not mercy.
All the controversy around Amoris Laetitia ch 8, that is splitting our Catholic Church, a picture comes to mind. Goya, plate, 71, Contra et bien general.
The following needs further clarification.
You say… “I say curious because, to my knowledge, the Catholic Church has never said, neither in her theology nor official pastoral practice, “simply” that all those in second unions are living in a state of mortal sin and deprived of sanctifying grace.”
I was married twice having lost my first wife at age 42. Thirteen years later I remarried the love of my life. We approached an old friend Fr. Frank Damas at St. Josephs. When he found that my wife had divorced her first husband and did not seek an annulment he refused to marry us. She had given her life to her four children while being misused for many years by him. He refused to apply for a church annulment. Anyway, raising four children never could make the marriage “invalid”.
Still in a state of shock we decided to seek the help of another old friend Rev. Paul Benes of the Dutch Reformed Church, right across the street from St. Josephs. Paul interviewed us and we set the date. Our sister and her husband, both serious Catholics, stood up for us. That was 19 years ago. Are we living in sin?
LOOK UP THE “OFFICIAL” CATHOLIC CHURCH DEFINITION OF “INFALLIBILITY” in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2nd Edition, #88 to #100.” The TEN COMMANDMENTS that the LORD GOD revealed to Moses are in an incomparable league of their own. Every Christian Denomination recognizes the Ten Commandments—-even today, our “secular” society recognizes “more-or less” of them….“INFALLIBLE PROCLAMATIONS” are of a different nature, BUT they ARE officially and publicly “proclaimed” by a ROMAN PONTIFF of the Roman Catholic Church. The specific WORDS of the “Infallible” Proclamation are “to the point” and the word: “Infallible” is specifically spoken….(You can find these comparatively few Proclamations over the Centuries—-on the Official “Vatican.va” Web Page.) To name a couple here: The “Dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary” and The “Dogma of the Assumption of Mary.” From the above, it should be CLEAR that a Pope is NOT “infallible” in everything he says, nor in every document he signs, and “Amoris Laetitiae” is NOT infallible. Nonetheless, because the Document is public, 4 Cardinals have publicly identified the very serious problems within it. Good grief! Even the fact that the “interpretation” of Bishops could be different from Diocese to Diocese is a HUGE PROBLEM, in itself! (Just imagine: “I don’t agree with my Bishop’s ‘interpretation.’ So, I’ll just move to another Diocese!”) Doesn’t take much to realize the DIS-UNITY this could create in the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH! Still, the CATHOLIC CHURCH has had serious problems in PAST centuries, and the CHURCH will survive this one as well: JESUS’ PROMISE WILL NEVER FAIL! “YOU ARE PETER, AND ON THIS “ROCK” I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST HER.” (Matt. 16:13-19) (Is JESUS not indicating that the devil is very interested in the Pope and all the members of the Catholic Church? BUT, “THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST HER.”)
Thomist: How do you know what is definitive or not if something is not explicitly stated as infallible? This is where personal conscience comes into play. Even the explicitly infallible needs to flow through personal conscience in order to be binding on the individual.
“On their part, all men are bound to seek the truth, especially in what concerns God and His Church, and to embrace the truth they come to know, and to hold fast to it. This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.” (Dignitatis Humanae 1).
“Moreover, as the truth is discovered, it is by a personal assent that men are to adhere to it. On his part, man perceives and acknowledges the imperatives of the divine law through the mediation of conscience. In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious. The reason is that the exercise of religion, of its very nature, consists before all else in those internal, voluntary and free acts whereby man sets the course of his life directly toward God. No merely human power can either command or prohibit acts of this kind.” (Dignitatis Humanae 3).
Dear Father Kuss,
An “illumined”, “well-formed conscience, which has discerned in the light of Church teaching”, and is the “mature fruit of an upright process of discernment”.... would SURELY understand Christ’s clear teaching that adultery is wrong! And the person who LISTENS TO that very well-formed conscience will OBEY Christ’s clear teaching! Jesus tells us that if we love Him, we will keep His commands.
It all comes down to this: Do we love Christ more than anything else—or not?
I would like to insert a quotation from Chapter 8, Section 308, Pages 239-240 of “Amoris Laetitia”: “...from our awareness of mitigating circumstances-psychological, historical and even biological-it follows that ‘without detracting from the evangelical ideal, there is a need to accompany with mercy and patience the eventual stages of personal growth as these progressively appear’, making room for ‘the Lord’s mercy, which spurs us on to do our best’. I understand those who prefer a more rigorous pastoral care which leaves no room for confusion. But I sincerely believe that Jesus wants a Church attentive to the goodness which the Holy Spirit sows in the midst of human weakness, a Mother who while clearly expressing her objective teaching, ‘always does what good she can, even if in the process, her shoes get soiled by the mud of the street’.”
The fact that this article and discussion is proof [infallible proof, perhaps??] that the Church is in a real crisis perpetrated by none other than the Pope and some of the German clergy and has the ability to cause another schism if it is not resolved in favor of the Church’s Magisterium and Sacred Tradition. Pray, pray, and pray more.
Peter Aiello:
“If the real (faithful) Catholics assent to all dogma and doctrine and live a sacramental life, then they are not using their personal conscience which is also now part of Catholic doctrine.”
False.
Such a falsehood shows a lack of knowledge of the Church’s teaching and the need to study the CCC for fidelity.
Thus CCC 1783:
“Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.”
Dogma and doctrine are “authoritative teachings”.
A “well-formed conscience” formed with due respect for the Church’s teachings cannot, whether accompanied by its pastors or not, reach a judgment in conflict with the Church’s teachings. Such a result would be de facto the fruit of a defective process of discernment, and the Church’s pastors are obliged to point that out.
In the USA you can get an annulment easily and under 6 months or a year max.
In Malta it takes MANY years even 20 years in some cases.
A really different situation which means you cannot just go and easily compare.
Theresa H: “...a Document signed by a Pope is NOT “Infallible”—-unless “INFALLIBLE” is specifically stated.”
Incorrect.
“Can. 750 §2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firmly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.”
Thus the word “infallible” is NOT required, only the fact that the Pope is handing down a certain, decisive judgment that a point of doctrine on faith or morals is true and its contrary false.
Thomist: If the real (faithful) Catholics assent to all dogma and doctrine and live a sacramental life, then they are not using their personal conscience which is also now part of Catholic doctrine.
Emmett: Malta does not say that whoever (among the divorced and remarried) claims that abstinence from relations is humanly impossible will be granted the right to continue having relations and return to communion. To say that would be to put subjective conscience above all other considerations. To say that would be to create an absurd rule. Malta speaks rather of the judgement of a well-formed conscience which has discerned in the light of Church teaching, accompanied by its pastors, of a conscience which is illumined, of a conscience whose judgement is the mature fruit of an upright process of discernment. That is essentially different.
Peter Aiello: “Sounds like Catholics can be selective about what to believe when it comes to pronouncements from the Magisterium.”
Those are known as “cafeteria” (pick and choose) Catholics. The real (faithful) Catholics assent to all dogma and doctrine and live a sacramental life.
The “Catholic Church” FACT is: STRICTLY SPEAKING, a Document signed by a Pope is NOT “Infallible”—-unless “INFALLIBLE” is specifically stated. Now, that being said, of course, we “listen” to the Pope, we “respect” the validly elected Pope. Also, there is a REASON for the differentiation of “types” of Documents of POPES: “Infallible Proclamations,” “Encyclicals,” “Apostolic Exhortations,” AND “Letters.” Also, the FACT IS that a POPE can err—-EXCEPT when an “Infallible Proclamation” is made (which is, also, put in writing). Another FACT is that most Popes have a “theologian” write a DRAFT DOCUMENT on the Topic/Points the Pope wants covered. Then, the POPE (presumably) “reads” it before he “signs” it. If you go on the “Vatican.va” Web Page, you can find the Documents written by all the Popes over all the Centuries—- (I’m not sure if the writings of St. Peter—-which are in the Bible—-are in the Vatican Library, per se.) What I am getting at re. Pope Francis is “who knows who” wrote “Amorous Laetitiae (AL)” ??? But, in any case, Pope Francis signed it…. Also, FOUR CARDINALS have written to Pope Francis asking him for “clarification” re. certain “Numbers” in AL. So far, Pope Francis has NOT responded to them—-and the fact is, it’s a BIG Problem! So, pray, Pray, PRAY for Pope Francis.
Thomist: Sounds like Catholics can be selective about what to believe when it comes to pronouncements from the Magisterium.
Theresa H, You make it sound as if God’s mercy is limited by the letter of the law and there is no circumstance, except the invalidation of a prior marriage, where God would make an exception; but that wouldn’t be mercy because a ruling of invalidation is a legal ruling not an act of mercy.
Peter Aiello: “Thomist: Was John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter infallible? Is Amoris Laetitia infallible? Is Vatican II’s Dignitatis Humanae on personal conscience infallible?”
Please take the trouble and time to note what has been stated already: that infallibility NEVER applies to any Papal documents, but ONLY to the specific definitive statement itself within the particular document. Infallibility exists when a dogma or a doctrine is defined as declared in Pastor Aeternus for papal infallibility. SEE:
Vatican Council I: Pastor aeternus
First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ
Abridged
“Chapter 4: On the infallible teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff
9. Therefore, faithfully adhering to the tradition received from the beginning of the christian faith, to the glory of God our savior, for the exaltation of the Catholic religion and for the salvation of the christian people, with the approval of the Sacred Council, we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his Church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the Church, irreformable.”
[My underlining].
Go to: http://www.ewtn.com.au/faith/teachings/papae1.htm
This subversion of the the synod’s thoughts on family was as untrue to the synod as this Pope’s election was to the hand of God. While the Pope is fully human and capable of sin, the more than curious selection of confidants, and behavior so hostile to others who seek only to protect the ” pearl of so great a price”, speaks volumes. Can one love God and hate his neighbor? If the reasoning of AL were to be applied to Appolo’s lunar journey, scientists and engineers would have been happy to send those astronauts some place near the moon by approximation to physics. Christ did not teach from a Canon law book, but this Pope has shown the need for one. The tree is known by its fruit. I didn’t join the Catholic Church to arrive somewhere other than heaven. Almost only counts in horseshoes.
HERE is THE OFFICIAL “CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 2nd Edition” definition of Infallibility: “Infallibility: The gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church whereby the pastors of the Church, the pope—-and bishops in union with him—-can definitively proclaim a doctrine of the faith or morals for the belief of the faithful (#891). This gift is related to the inability of the whole body of the faithful to err in matters of faith and morals.” (Obviously, it is a very serious matter!) Also, an “infallible proclamation” would NEVER, could NEVER be proclaimed that is contrary to the TEN COMMANDMENTS—- and, here, we are talking about something that is directly related to the 6th and 9th COMMANDMENTS: 6th COMMANDMENT: THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY. 9th COMMANDMENT: THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE. (Now, we shoul realize that a WOMAN is also held to the same DIVINE LAW; we are forbidden to divorce and marry another man.) The only exception THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MAKES is in cases where the “first marriage” has been officially decreed by the “Marriage Tribunal” to have been “NULL”(=INVALID)” to begin with. These cases have, traditionally, been sent to the Tribunal IN ROME….But, within the last few years, ROME has given the authority to decree marriages “invalid” to the Bishops (I don’t know whether this means a “consistory” of Bishops in each country, or simply to diocesan Bishops all over the world. (Seems to me the latter, especially, could create huge problems, e.g., “I don’t agree with my Diocesan Tribunal—-so, I’ll look into another Tribunal in the USA and move there—-at least for awhile!” AGAIN, THIS MATTER RE. “MARRIAGE” IS A VERY SERIOUS MATTER
WHY talk about the “infallibiity of the Pope” re. this matter? No Pope has the “right” to change DIVINE LAW! Even IF a Pope would make an “infallible proclamation” that divorce and re-marriage (where the first marriage was valid and the first spouse is still alive) is okay, it would NOT be “infallible” because NO POPE HAS THE AUTHORITY to CHANGE DIVINE LAW! (Granted, it would create a HUGE PROBLEM in the CATHOLIC CHURCH—-AND, the CARDINALS would HAVE to come together to address it.)
Thomist: Was John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter infallible? Is Amoris Laetitia infallible? Is Vatican II’s Dignitatis Humanae on personal conscience infallible?
No, ignorance is NOT bliss.
I’m not on board with the notion that “abstaining from sex in a 2nd marriage is humanly impossible.” There are many ways to suffer in life and abstaining from sex is one of them. So it’s far from impossible, even if circumstances make it likely that such abstention will ruin a relationship and family life. And it is the latter that the pastors seem to care about. So who is promoting this “impossible” notion?
Ok, I’ll return to this later. Now that that’s out of the way:
Like most other conservative haters of AL, Brugger, I believe, misconstrues the means by which AL proposes that communion may be, in some cases, opened to the divorced and remarried. He says that since mortal sin has an “knowledge” prong that must be satisfied, and, since pastors cannot know if it is actually satisfied in a particular instance [since some may be “invincibly ignorant”], that pastors cannot admit such people to communion. This is wrong in two ways.
First, its analysis of AL is wrong. AL does not in any way indicate that people who are invincibly ignorant in these situations can receive communion. In fact, the discernment process which is urged upon them, and which is to be undertaken with the guidance of a priest of the church, PRECLUDES such people from being invincibly ignorant as a practical matter. Perhaps the most essential part of the discernment process is coming to understand one’s moral situation. Thus, no one who partakes of this process can deny the fact that each and every sexual act outside marriage in a subsequent union is, objectively, an act of adultery. If so, they can not be invincibly ignorant. If they cannot be invincibly ignorant, they are committing mortal sin if there is not some other prong which they have failed to satisfy.
And in fact, it is not the “knowledge” prong that AL discusses as being relevant here. Nor is it the “matter” prong, since, as every Catholic should know, all sexual acts involve grave matter. The prong that is relevant, according to AL, is the FREE CONSENT prong. And that brings us back to my original paragraph. While it is not “impossible” to avoid sex, it may be that under certain circumstances, FREE CONSENT to adultery is lacking. It could be that someone is engaging in a sexual act with regret and due to coercion created by circumstances. It is this weakening of the consent of the will which, in theory, could prevent an act—which objectively is adultery—from being nevertheless a mortal sin.
So, Brugger’s analysis is wrong.
The second thing he is wrong about is what a pastor can and can’t do. Pastors accept whoever present themselves for communion. Pastors don’t judge people’s consciences at such moments, unless they are about to cause grave scandal.
Peter Aiello
“I find it very confusing in trying to figure out what the Church considers to be infallible or not; and I’m a cradle Catholic with K-16 Catholic schooling.”
Why? The reality is that St. John Paul II has taught clearly in his Apostolic Letter Ad Tuendam Fidem, 1998 (ATF), that the assent of divine and Catholic faith is required to believe (credenda sunt) dogmas (a category one truth) (Canon #750.1); and a category 2 truth requires the assent of ecclesial faith, as a secondary truth, “proposed definitively” (definitive proponuntur) to be “firmly embraced and held” (now Canon 750.2). In fact, the 1983 revision of Canon Law had replaced in #749.3 “dogmatically declared or defined” with “infallibly defined”, thus NOT expressing a limitation of infallibility to dogmas. ATF better enables Canon Law to apply to the understanding of infallibility including the Profession of Faith covering the two categories of infallible doctrine.
So a Pope’s ‘ex cathedra’ definitions may be either of revealed dogma, to be believed with divine faith, or of other truths necessary for guarding and expounding revealed truth. Vatican Council II and the post-conciliar Magisterium have explicitly affirmed that both ecclesial and papal infallibility extend to the secondary doctrinal truths necessary for guarding and expounding revelation. Thus Humanae Vitae (Encyclical) against contraception, and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (Apostolic Epistle) on male-only priests, contain infallible definitions, to remove all doubt.
The expression of infallibility displays that the Pope is handing down a certain, decisive judgment that a point of doctrine on faith or morals is true and the contrary false.
The request of Raymond Cardinal Burke, and many other faithful scholars, for an explanation from the Pope of his challenge to existing doctrine has to be answered not ignored.
The elephant question in the room is “Who has precipitated this crisis and for what nefarious purpose?”
Carl lets take the discernment prescribed by the two Bishops of Malta, on the divorced remarried, still continuing sexual relations {adultery} throughout their journey of discernment, and into the foreseeable future,By saying they cannot stop and will not stop Admitting this makes it that wonderfully{fruits}humble,they are absolved thus exempt forthwith from mortal sin,and they then can receive and continue to receive the Holy Eucharist,This rubbish makes a mockery of how we practise our Catholic faith.To have our faith one must practise and live within it,thus gaining all its richness of truth and mercy {forgiveness}.In doing so it gives good example to others especially our young children helping to develop and protect them from the evils of this world.THIS LAX TEACHING WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE MANY OTHER SERIOUS SINS AND CRIMES AGAINST CHRIST OUR SAVIOUR. Imagine the likes of PEDOPHILES using this DANGEROUS LAX TEACHING, to discern their crimes of child sex abuse, by saying we cant stop and wont stop abusing young Innocent children, so by admitting it we are now wonderfully{fruits} humble, concluding that with this Dangerous LAX TEACHING in mind, they are not really doing something that is that serious,and makes them feel much more free to continue their abuse of the young and innocent, this is Insane.What if PEDOPHILES even use this LAX TEACHING to groom the young and innocent.SHOULD THIS NOT BE OF SERIOUS CONCERN.
It didn’t take much to see this “MORAL DISASTER” coming—-from the day this Papal Document was first posted on the Vatican Web Page (Google: Vatican.va ) and it is incredibly disasterous! As for a “reference re. the “Teaching of the Catholic Church.” All we need to go to is the “TEN COMMANDMENTS”—-and read the “SIXTH AND NINTH COMMANDMENTS:” 6th Commandment: “THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.” 9TH COMMANDMENT: “THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBORS WIFE.” PERIOD! Could the LORD GOD be clearer?!? NO POPE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT POPE FRANCIS HAS DONE. No Pope has the Authority to over-ride the 6th and 9th Commandments in practice. Four Cardinals have written to Pope Francis about this. Last I knew, there’s been no response. Something is seriously amiss IN ROME!
Professor Brugger: Malta implies (in the tenth paragraph) that the Church does not refuse communion to those described in the ninth paragraph (including the subset of those whose well-formed judgement tells them that complete abstinence is in their concrete specific case humanly impossible. This follows from the principle salus animarum, suprema lex. Holy communion may be just what they need to stay out of sin. What is impossible to man is possible to God.
Professor Brugger: A divorced and remarried couple in the process of Evangelical discernment discerns that abstention from relations is humanly impossible. (Malta says, realistically, that this can and does happen.) They have not done anything wrong: what they have discerned is by the preusuppositon the fruit not only of conscience but of well-formed conscience (The presupposition is that what they are in a process of Evangelical discernment, which involves the Church, which is not a merely subjective thing, and that the constatation that complete abstention from relations is not humanly possible is the fruit of the very same discernment. Recognizing such human impossibility does not mean a rejection of God’s law, it is simply humility. The pastor who guides such a couple should not rebuke them, questioning their sincerity, or challenging the truth of what they have discerned, because, according to the presupposition, what they are not only sincere in their constatation, but their constatation is true: for this couple abstention from relations, at such and such a moment, for such and such concrete reasons, is humanly impossible. But they haven’t sinned, but rather they have been truthful, sincere and humble before concrete reality. Pope Francis and Malta are telling us that we should not act as rigorists with such a couple. The rigorist would tell the couple “Come now and lay aside your laziness, lay aside the deceits of your so-called conscience, just make a little effort and you will see that your so called Evangelical discernment, is nothing but the work of the devil. There is no human impossibility at all!” But the rigorist here is really doing the devil’s work, because he is telling the couple to be prideful. When one admits human impossibility one is opening the door to grace. The rigorist is a Pelagian who denies the crucial role of grace when he says that this human impossibility is impossible. Malta (and Pope Francis whom Malta is interpreting correctly) say that the pastor does not turn against souls in their hour of need. He does not intervene at this moment with an ultimatum: Either stop having relations or the Church will have nothing to do with you and you will receive no communion. (The couple has not said that it is having relations; it has only said, truthfully, that it judges complete abstention to be humanly impossible. But the Gospel tells us that all things are possible for God, that God is greater than every human impossibility; and when one admits human impossibility, one is actually opening a door for God. Thus one should not judge such people hastily. One should not ostracize them. One should accompany them. By accompanying them one is participating in the Divine Condsecension, in the working of grace.
“...to my knowledge, the Catholic Church has never said, neither in her theology nor official pastoral practice, “simply” that all those in second unions are living in a state of mortal sin and deprived of sanctifying grace.
Moral theology has always insisted that mortal sin occurs when and only when grave matter is chosen with sufficient reflection and full consent of the will.
Malta’s discussion of mitigating factors obscures the fact that even if a person chooses some object of grave matter — in the case at hand, adultery — with mitigated culpability, the actions are still harmful to them and bad for the unity of the Church.”
On the contrary,
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa, I-II, q. 76, a. 1, a. 3,
Whether ignorance can be the cause of sin?:
“It is clear that not every kind of ignorance is the cause of a sin, but that alone which removes the knowledge which would prevent the sinful act. …This may happen on the part of the ignorance itself, because, to wit, this ignorance is voluntary, either directly, as when a man wishes of set purpose to be ignorant of certain things that he may sin the more freely; or indirectly, as when a man, through stress of work or other occupations, neglects to acquire the knowledge which would restrain him from sin. For such like negligence renders the ignorance itself voluntary and sinful, provided it be about matters one is *bound and able to know.”
Catholics are bound (required) to learn and know their Faith. A sin against faith (often caused by willful ignorance) is the gravest of all sins according to St. Thomas Aquinas.
St. Augustine, Cited by St. Thomas, characterizes sin against faith in these words: “Hoc est peccatum quo tenentur cuncta peccata.” “This is the sin which comprehends all other sins.”
St. Thomas says: “The gravity of sin is determined by the interval which it places between man and God; now sin against faith, divides man from God as far as possible, since it deprives him of the true knowledge of God; it therefore follows that sin against faith is the greatest of all sins.”
L.C.,
What would Maciel do, eh?
Let’s ask his lieutenants instead. They’re still around, are they not?
I believe that Vatican II’s Dignitatis Humane arrived in a timely manner within the Church. It describes the responsibilities that our personal conscience has in receiving and absorbing truth within ourselves. It comes in handy In this age of confusion even within the Church itself. Does the Church consider Dignitatis Humanae to be infallible teaching? I find it very confusing in trying to figure out what the Church considers to be infallible or not; and I’m a cradle Catholic with K-16 Catholic schooling.
I just finished hearing part of Pope Francis I homily from Rome via EWTN program Vaticano, in which he said, “if you cannot open your heart to Jesus, you are not Christian.” Pope Francis is fond of saying “if you cannot do a certain thing (words to that effect), you are not Christian.” He said that about Donald Trump. In other words, if you are not a perfect Christian, you are not a Christian at all. I guess Simon Peter wasn’t Christian, either, since he was never a perfect Christian all the time. None of us are. What ever happened to God’s eternal Mercy for sinners during the year of Mercy?
Pope Francis’s words could be from the Great Deceiver, who would have us believe that if we are not perfect Christians all the time, we cannot be Christian at all. We know that is not true, and that the Great Deceiver wants us to become despondent like Judas, who, despite repenting of betraying Jesus, took his own life out of despondency.
WHO CAN NOW BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT POPE FRANCIS I SAYS ABOUT ANYTHING?
The teachings of the Church on marriage and chastity are not being set aside; in some cases patience is being extended, in others an exception is being made without destroying the rule. Not every wrong can be fixed in this life, not every broken thing repaired. In the case of divorce and remarriage, their may be a prior marriage that cannot be repaired; do you go ahead and destroy the existing one and perpetuate more suffering and harm? Might not Jesus Christ make an exception in His mercy? “Amoris Laetitia” is empowering local clergy to analyze cases individually (they are the ones closest to the situation) and make decisions that with God’s help will properly extend His mercy and patience. I believe Christ is trying to do a work of mercy in the lives of many people with the Church’s participation. @ Carl Kuss, L.C., Thank you for some of your previous commentary on this matter; it helped me to develop my thoughts a little better.
It is essential to note that infallibility NEVER applies to any Papal documents, but ONLY to the specific definitive statement itself within the particular document. Infallibility exists when a dogma or a doctrine is defined as declared in Pastor Aeternus for papal infallibility.
Thank you for the article. You mentioned that Amoris Laetitia is not infallible teaching as it is an Apostolic Exhortation. I was wondering if you have reference to the Church’s teaching on this matter aside from Familiaris Consortio and Sacramentum Caritatis, as these are also both Apostolic Exhortations and are not infallible.
Thanks again!
Carl Kuss, L.C.: Carl, the Holy Spirit says it is always humanly possible with the Beloved’s grace to not sin! Humanity does not trump God or His Grace, which is always given and is sufficient to humanly triumph over every temptation and nonself-control. “We can say no to every evil, master sin”, for ‘we have the Holy Spirit and His “self-control, and chastity” ‘. Don’t return to adam and even in the fall, saying to the Lord, “it was humanly impossible for me, for us as a couple, to live chastely”, because the Beloved will share, “no, do well, sin may be lurking at the door, its desire is for you, but you must master it”. Live in the Victory of the Garden of Calvary where the NewMan of Easter Holiness can always be Victorious, and knows that with Christ we can do all things!
We cannot do evil for the sake of good, which is what Malta and others are doing whether they intend it or not: they are trying to make the ends justify the means. But the objective means must always be objectively morally good or neutral, never evil. Saying we can do evil, continue in adultery, putting aside the good of chaste continence, for the sake of not harming the couple, the present or future children, and then go to unholy communion, is deadly and destructive in so many ways. There can be no peace without the forgiveness of sin and reconciliation or re-Communion with the Holy One, when this Covenant Holy Communion is present, and only when it is present can one come forward to witness that this Holy Communion is present! [We cannot do evil so that good may come, Romans 3:8…]
Carl Kuss et al:
Malta’s ultimate conclusion is subjective and only appears objective….it is not possible to humbly discern and become informed that it okay to set aside the Holy Spirit’s Teaching to live chastely in continence as brother and sister. Malta says one can do so and be at peace and then may receive the Lord, doing so with a mixture of subjective and objective conscience actions. This is impossible. There can be no objective adultery for the sake of the children and possible future dangers/harms…(FC 84; CDW 1994, nn 2-4).
The Holy Spirit’s Holiness & Teaching is that the Divorced and Remarried need, 1, Repentance; 2. Confession; 3. to Live chaste continence as brother and sister; 4. avoid giving scandal. Malta and some others says, the Holy Spirit’s Teaching removes number 3 or living chastely for sake of children. This cannot be objectively done, discerned or informing, it is morally impossible and wrong.
The Holy Spirits Holiness and Revelation is:
Be like Jesus.
Be merciful and loving.
Then, “Go and sin no more.”
Pretty clear to me.
“Brother and sister,” for the sake of the kids [John 8:11b; FC 84; CDF 1994 nn 2-4].
Then, “Go and sin no more.”
For my eternal salvation.
But now some advocate:
Don’t Be like Jesus.
Don’t Be merciful and loving.
So then, “Go and sin some more so other sins not be”.
Pretty clear to me.
“Go and be in sin for the sake of adulterous faithfulness
and fruitfulness” [AL 298-footnote 329].
For my eternal salvation.
- Malta-maghysteria?
Carl Kuss, L.C: The two are contrary and contradictory….with the Holy Spirit, Philadelphia, blessedly reminds us to be Holy as the Beloved is Holy; Malta, not. Malta says to call sin good, or evil good, by disobediently eating of the Tree of determining for oneself what is Good and what is bad….that is the Beloved’s Tree, not ours! Easter reveals that to be Holy we must not eat or determine good or evil for ourselves, or death will surely follow, but we must with humility receive and live a baptismal death to ourselves so that we can be raised up to live Christ at the Right Hand of the Father…Philadelphia says live the Paschal Mysteries with the New Adam & Eve in the Garden of Calvary, Malta says, return with adam & eve to Fall in the garden of eden….the two gardens, are contradictory….not simply different! Alleluia, Jesus is Truly Risen!!
If Catholic teaching on marriage shows an “absence of charity”, then either (1) Jesus did not mean what he said about marriage and divorce or (2) Jesus showed an “absence of charity” when he spoke. There are no other options.
If 2 is true, then why would anyone want to follow Jesus?
If 1 is true, then what else did Jesus say that he did not mean?
““You are hereby ordered to live as brother and sister for the rest of your lives” sounds either like a punch line or a punch in the gut…or a dictum direct from an Orwell novel.”
Agreed. It sounds suspiciously overjudgemental and rigorous in avoiding sin, kind of like “if your right hand offends you, cut it off. It is better to enter heaven with one hand than for the whole of you to be cast into hell.”
Jesus’ teaching on marriage was harsh. It was difficult. And it is true.
Frequently, though not always, the first marriage is, in fact, null, and there is sufficient evidence for a competent tribunal to rule that it is such.
It is not so much that “annulments are handed out like candy” as much as people marry without a proper understanding of marriage in the Catholic sense. (Note that successful marriages do not end up before tribunals. Because over 90% of annulments are granted does not mean that 90% of marriages are invalid.) In a culture where divorce is seen as a positive good and many Catholics are poorly catechized, should this really be a surprise?
In the United States, the most common grounds for annulment is lack of form, where the couple marries outside the Church. This issue can be resolved in a few weeks upon showing of a lack of proper documentation. Should these annulments not be granted?
St John Paul was one of several Popes, including Benedict XVI, to reaffirm the doctrine on Communion for the remarried. It has also been taught by theologians, Church fathers, early councils, and in recent decades by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
In Familiaris Consortio, St John Paul said that the teaching on Holy Communion was based on Scripture and there is an intrinsic link between the Eucharist and marriage: to live in a sexual relationship “objectively contradicts that union of love between Christ and the Church which is signified and effected by the Eucharist”.
Cardinal Müller says: “Amoris Laetitia must clearly be interpreted in the light of the whole doctrine of the Church.” He added: “I don’t like it, it is not right that so many bishops are interpreting Amoris Laetitia according to their way of understanding the Pope’s teaching. This does not keep to the line of Catholic doctrine ...many people needed to study more doctrine on the office of the bishop, which was not to offer novel accounts of papal teaching. “The bishop, as teacher of the Word, must himself be the first to be well-formed so as not to fall into the risk of the blind leading the blind,” ...
Think about this: 500 years ago, God permitted entire nations to leave His Church over the issue of marriage and hundreds of millions of faithful Christians are deprived of the Sacraments, including valid Eucharist. SAD.
Sister Lucia dos Santos, one of the three children who witnessed the Marian apparitions at Fatima, proficied that the final battle between Christ and Satan would be over marriage and the family. Her prophecies of the Second World War and Pope John Paul’s assassination attempt came true; And this one is coming true before our very eyes, although it is very clear that many people have blinders on (just like in the days of Noah)!
Can we rightfully compare Archbishop Chaput’s Philadelphia to Augustine’s City of God v the Pagans? For example if we dismiss the Gospels as mere words delivered in an historical cultural setting subject to revision then we are given a gospel other than the one delivered to us by the Apostles. That is Fr Antonio Spadaro’s, Archbishop Cupich’s, the Maltese Bishops’ and by all indication due to his unwillingness to respond to the Dubia or correct the Maltese et Al the Pontiff’s position on communion for D&R and for others in “irregular union.” If we abandon what Christ revealed I cannot find reason not to compare this with the New Pagans. The Pagans of Augustine’s day pillaged and destroyed souls with swords. The Pagans of today pillage and destroy with false doctrine.
This confusion ,like all confusion, is from the devil.
Professor Brugger: When Jesus tells us not to judge, he is saying that we should be merciful. One is merciful in one’s dealings with souls. But you seem to be confusing this with something else: with the false idea that souls are are for other souls a mere black box, which is simply unknowable. From this false premise you seem to be concluding that since souls are an unknowable black box moral teaching consists of objective truths, but objective in the false sense of having no reference to souls, which, according the presupposition cannot be referenced. Moral truth is mere stuff. This is grounded more deeply in the idea that truth is mere stuff, the positivistic conception of truth (a conception which is totally opposed, by the way, to the conception of St. Thomas Aquinas, though many people seem to assume that St.Thomas held this positivistic conception, confusing their own thinking with that of St. Thomas.) It is this false conception which leads people to think that Jesus condemned the teaching of the Pharisees, because, by some magic, he could see into the black box of their souls, and thus obtained the right to judge them, but what Jesus had to say about the morality of the Pharisees does not actually teach us anything, that the Pharisees did not actually teach a false doctrine, that their rigorism was actually to be admired, that the only problem with them is that they were inconsistent with their own rigorism and did not go to the extreme in it, that insteand of being rigorists they should have been Super Rigorists, that God is the Super Rigorist above all rigorists.
According to the article, Malta has 408,000 Catholics and 769 priests. Makes me wonder how many divorced and remarried Catholics are there in Malta that the Bishops came to the conclusion they reach?
The bishops of Malta do not say that abstention from relations is, in some cases, absolutely impossible. They say that in some cases it may be humanly impossible. What is humanly impossible may not be absolutely impossible. [Yet one should ask if it is a wise pastoral practice to demand from people what in their concrete situation is humanly impossible.] Therefore the Bishops of Malta are not condoning sin. They are simply being realistic about life. Secondly, the whole context indicates that they are not speaking about the divorced and remarried as such; rather they are speaking about those who have embarked upon the voyage of discernment. Such discernment is Evangelical discernment and is realized by the light of the Holy Spirit. Thirdly, the 10th paragraph of the Maltese document, if you read it carefully, does not refer to those who are having relations, but refers to all of those divorced and remarried people who are on the path of discernment. (And therefore those who discerning God’s will, abstain from relations, though continuing to live together, are honored for their following of an enlightened and informed conscience.) Fourthly, the Maltese bishops are being faithful to the principle of accompaniment and of conscience. Suppose that discernment leads someone to the conclusion that abstention from relations is humanly impossible; what should the pastor then do? Should he whip out an ultimatum: either you stop having sex (something which by the presupposition is humanly impossible) or you get no communion from the Church. Should he not rather continue along the path of accompaniment and discernment by the light of the Holy Spirit, having faith in God’s work in the soul? The soul is not abandoned, but rather there is accompaniment. This is an open-ended solution, but it is faithful to what we know from Holy Scripture, that with God all things are possible.
Adding further confusion to Amoris Laetitia would appear to contribute to the confusion and hinder the work of salvation. Perhaps the bishops in union with His Holiness may be better qualified to elaborate conclusively
An excellent rebuttal of the confusion of Pope Francis which have resulted in these terrible errors.
In order to settle the issue, who better to look to than Pope Saint John Paul II.
The truth is that those who fulfill this delicate ministry in the name of God and of the Church have a specific duty not to promote and, even more so not to express in the confessional, personal opinions that do not correspond to what the Church teaches and professes. Likewise, a failure to speak the truth because of a misconceived sense of compassion should not be taken for love. We do not have a right to minimize matters of our own accord, even with the best of intentions. Our task is to be God’s witnesses, to be spokesmen of a mercy that saves even when it shows itself as judgment on man’s sin. “Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord’, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Mt 7:21).
https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/letters/2002/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_20020321_priests-holy-thursday.html
We must also remember that those who preach mercy without repentance are deceivers, and more than likely, are deceived themselves.
This is an excellent comparison of the two so different interpretations.
This will take years if ever to straighten out.
I find parts of the Philly guidelines offensive and scandalous….particularly:
‘For the same reason, continent remarried divorcees should not be given certain important public duties in the parish (e.g., membership on parish council), including liturgical duties (e.g., lector, extraordinary minister of holy Communion).’
Through these guidelines, we are saying you can never truly be forgiven. Even when a person who was divorced and remarried repents, resolves to live in continence and sins no more, that person is not allowed to be given parish duties like serving on a parish council. Say a highly qualified accountant or finance executive wants to volunteer in service of the parish finance committee…sorry, you are living in accord with the Church’s teaching, but you are excluded from eligibility to serve in the Church….sorry to be flip, but this seems very rigid (I know, I know…buzz word) and lacking in charity.
In this case, we are more concerned with image and our perception of another person’s standing that we are in supporting and celebrating their return to grace….shameful in my view
Different is not necessary contradictory. Malta and Philadelphia say different things, but what they say is not contradictory. E. Chritian Brugger is unfair to Malta. Brugger says “It asserts that some remarried divorcees may be capable of practicing the virtue of conjugal continence without “putting at risk” elements of their life together.For others, however, living “this ideal” may be “humanly impossible and gives rise to greater harm” (reference to AL, Note 329).” Brugger neglects the fact that the context is not simply one of the divorced and remarried, but of the divorced and remarried in a discernment process, that is on a path of conversion, because one is speaking of evangelical discernment, which also includes the participation of the Church. Brugger speaks disparagingly of them denominating them as “these people.” Secondly he says that the Maltese position makes everything depend on the subjective assessment of conscience, on what “these people” end up believing about themselves. He cites and underscores the word “believes” but he also leaves out much of what Malta stipulates: “a result of the process of DISCERNMENT,undertaken with “humility, DISCRETION and LOVE FOR THE CHURCH and her teaching, in a SINCERE search for GOD’S WILL and a desire to make a more perfect response to it”(AL 300), a separated or divorced person who is living in a new relationship manages, with an INFORMED AND ENLIGHTENED conscience, to ACKNOWLEDGE and believe that he or she are at peace with God. [words of Malta, emphasis added].” These words make it clear that Malta does not make everything depend on a merely subjective judgement of conscience, and that it is Brugger, and not Malta that misunderstands the Catholic teaching about conscience. Thirdly Brugger, at the key moment, makes “these people” refer to divorced and remarried people who are sexually active, this refers to the tenth paragraph of the Maltese document, which does not refer specifically to those who are sexually active, but speaks generally about those in the discernment process (some of whom will find that perfect absstention is not humanly possible.) These are inaccuracies of Brugger. Malta interprets Pope Francis faithfully. Brugger misinterprets both Malta and Francis.
Clear
The reality is that the issue of allowing adulterers access to the that sacraments cannot be examined in a vacuum; Fact is, 98% of applications for annulments are granted; The fact that annulments are handed out like candy shows that the Church lawyers already rejected the indissolubility of marriage long ago. Since the bishops know this, the next logical step for them is to recognize that almost every application for an annulment in these “irregular marriage” situations would be granted, thus they seem to consider the granting of an annulment almost a foregone conclusion even before application. The sacrament of Holy Matrimony is being terribly abused. How does it make you feel to know that if your Catholic spouse divorced you,“rem arried,” and applied for an annulment, there is a 98% chance it would be granted and your marriage would have been considered non-existent and a sham from the beginning even if there were children involved? What a sick joke.
Excellent analysis on this “egregious pastoral error”. Too bad it was arguably created by Pope Francis’s unevenly weighted Synod and perpetuated by his subsequent comments, and failure to address the dubia.
Please pray that Pope Francis address this potentially schismatic issue confronting the Church. Jesus deserves no less.
If we cut to the chase we could say the Malta group wants to be able to have illegitimate sex and be Catholics in good standing to receive all the Sacraments. I say it cuts to the chase because this is the same issue that is behind contraception, abortion, gay marriage, etc. This seems to be a form of “Catholic-lite” that will undercut the Church’s stand on all these other issues.
This is a very good article and I thank NCR for publishing it.
I do not differ as much as would like to offer a “nuance” to what Dr Brugger has written.
While these two churches [Philadelphia and Malta] represent certainly two distinct and somewhat contradictory ‘readings’ of AL, I do not believe that all ‘the readings and or versions of AL” can be reduced to these two readings. I believe there are four distinct ones [similar to what we see in the various groupings of Christians behind the New Testament and behind the Council of Nicea]
Group one: fundamentally do not accept AL and see it as a threat to Catholic teaching and unity. Depending on their background etc they might word it more carefully but bottom line they reject AL. They want to protect the objective moral teaching of the Church against any and all incursions of ‘the narrative of conscience and pastoral care. They believe that they are being faithful to Christ and the teaching of the Church and are pretty much ready to run groups two, three and four out of the Church. For this group it is all so simple and clear
Group two: do not reject AL outright. They have many reservations and criticisms but do not reject it Seek to understand it within the larger and wider stream of Magisterial teaching etc. They wish Pope Francis had been clearer etc but are willing to work at reconciling Al with the larger body of the Teaching of the Church
Group three: Accept AL, with some reservations etc., seek to contextualize it etc. They see that AL has preserved the objective moral teaching of the Church as well as presented its corollary, the narrative of conscience, etc They believe that AL has taken us a step further in the Church’s development of her moral teaching but find it hard to express this in the midst of the emotions being given off especially from groups one and four.
Group 4: believe that AL is great, and accept it with no reservations or even questions. They simply do not understand groups one and two and are not even sure of group three. For this group, it is all so simple and clear
The disputes about Amoris Laetitia are less of an obvious breach of Christianity than the changes in attitude over the issue of capital punishment by most of the hierarchy. When Scripture and Catholic history support the death penalty, the Church is now seriously leaning against it. This undermines the Church’s fidelity to all firmly held doctrine. This is more obviously egregious than Amoris Laetitia, and is a real crisis of doctrinal and evangelical credibility.
The Church has chosen through the vast majority of its prelates to ignore the time honored custom of following the teaching of the Holy Father, who called two synods of bishops together with the Holy Spirit and produces a document that provides for the Church to modify its behavior and listen to and forgive those who find themselves in such a difficult situation. I believe that arrogance is exemplified here, not unlike 500 years ago when it was time to heal and solve the Protestant Revolution, our Church fathers were unable to do so. The resultant impact is that we smugly abandon these people and their children to other Christian sects and then scratch our heads and wonder where the pewople have gone in an elitist Church.
The Tale of Two Interpretations is rightfully an allusion to Augustine’s Two Cities one the Church the other that the rule of the Prince of this World. Similar to Dickens a Tale of Two Cities London and Paris during the French Revolution. Paris Guillotined the faithful in vengeful justice London upheld justice as merciful. “Accompaniment should assist persons to know the truth that will make them free (John 8:32) and must solicitously avoid the dual errors of relativism, which ‘ignores the truth,’ and rigorism, which ‘lacks mercy.’ And the guidelines promise to ‘faithfully reflect Catholic belief.’” This is the line of demarcation between the French Jacobins who murdered opposition to English who foresaw the immense evil of dogmatic murder in the name of Justice. Catholicism today faces an apparent enigma. A Pontiff who sides with the disenfranchised and Traditionalists who insist on the literal interpretation of the Gospels. All is debatable ad infinitum and a choice between salvation and damnation. The choice between the Two Interpretations of Amoris Laetitia is the choice between the Spoken Word of God to Mankind and the spoken word of men seeking to create God in their own image.
To Professor Brugger:
Wonderful article. Regarding your final sentence: “Pray for the unity of the episcopate”, I would replace your final period with a comma and then add “that they will first re-read the New Testament from cover to cover, then discern God’s will about marriage and divorce, and only then unite around God’s Will.” If the Catholic episcopate, led by Pope Francis, continues its erroneous path to unite around evil doctrines that contradict 2100 years of Catholic teaching, I wouldn’t see that as a good thing for the Catholic Church. In fact, why would anyone think it was?
On another issue…...
I have witnessed a same-sex couple (females) receiving Communion. Am I sure they are living chaste lives? No, but I tend to think they are not. One dresses in masculine clothing while the other does not which means to me at least they are open about the relationship. They even could be legally married. Receiving Communion gives the appearance of “acceptance.”
What is a Pastor required to do, if anything, about a situation like this?
As to an examination of conscience, those who would justify having relations with the second spouse “for the sake of the children” should recall that Jesus said that anyone who loves children more than Him (He Who is the Truth) is not worthy of Him. And of course anyone who is not worthy of Him is not worthy to receive Him in Holy Communion.
Those faced with hard choices do indeed have a right to the help and care of their fellow Christians. But such help can never include advising them to do what is inherently wrong, and has been seen as wrong by the Church for 2,000 years.
EXCELLENT ARTICLE! Helped me to understand better. Needed to be clarified. Thank you Pat Hempfield
I believe the term in logic is “self contradictory”. If the Church worthies can not agree on what they said, precisely how are those of us in the pews supposed to process this “guidance”? As one who went through a long and laborious annulment procedure BEFORE entering a second marriage, I have some acquaintance with how I was told it is supposed to be done.
Thanks for this article. This situation is a mess indeed. I hope Chaput and others continue to stand for the truth with clarity and bravery. Not sure how long this confusion is going to go on, as it seems there is no end to it in the near future. This YouTube video offers a good introduction to the issue for those new to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f308T1oiWLc
The Mother and teacher point is well taken. Many leaders take the easy way out and don’t see themselves with parental responsibilities, which includes disciplining those under their care.
Thank you for this piece. The whole situation is very troubling. Please pray for Pope Francis and for all of our priests. I have no doubt history will show that relativism, the empty hell theory, and a lack of sexual morality to be the heresies of our time. The good news is, history also reveals that the Holy Spirit always guides the Church away from heresy.
Terms shouted from outside the arena like “continent,” “occasioning scandal,” “invincible ignorance,” “exclusionary teaching,” “public wrongdoing,” “sexually active,” “suitable,” “marriage tribunal,” “irregular situation,” etc. often do not intellectually, temporally, or morally resonate inside the arena of responsible, discerning, prayerful, loving relationships. To many, there is an absence of trust and charity attendant to one-size-fits-all prohibitions and sanctions; indeed to many in great pain, the counsel seems to be “We know it hurts, but make it hurt so good. The pain is for your own benefit. Enjoy it.” And the Philadelphia approach declares, ironically just like the secular society declares: OK, it IS all about sex—just all about the total absence of it instead of about too much of it. The over-emphasis on “sexual activity” (a demeaning term that makes lovemaking sound like phys ed class whether its said by a celibate bishop or by a hedonist) is wrong at both ends of the obsessive preoccupation continuum. Outside the arena there are too many critics declaring hard-fast rules for those who actually “dare greatly” in the arena of love and loving relationships. Way, way too often, the arrogant critics are among “those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat” inside the arena of complex loving relationships. “You are hereby ordered to live as brother and sister for the rest of your lives” sounds either like a punch line or a punch in the gut…or a dictum direct from an Orwell novel. And I don’t think that’s why Philly has been called the city of brotherly love—-but maybe it will be why in the future. Let’s add “trust” to one of the mandatory ways we show love, caring, leadership, and guidance.
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