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So far, same-sex ‘marriage’ has failed at the voting booth. But a Catholic sociologist predicts that referenda will catch up with increasing support in surveys, even among Catholics.

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A recent public opinion survey found increasing support among Catholics for same-sex “marriage,” raising the question of whether the people behind the poll were trying to advance an agenda.

But Father Donald Paul Sullins doesn’t find the survey results that surprising. A professor of sociology at The Catholic University of America, Father Sullins said that such findings are reflected in the “General Social Survey,” which he calls “the gold standard for objective, unbiased social-science opinion research.”

A fellow with the Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies and a 2010 Ignatius Loyola Fellow at the Center for the Advancement of Catholic Higher Education, he is the author of numerous books and articles, including Catholic Social Thought: American Reflections on the Compendium, with Anthony Blasi, and “American Catholic and Same-Sex Marriage,” published in the Catholic Social Science Review.

He has conducted studies on a variety of subjects, including “Religion and the New Immigrants,” and his clients have included the Archdiocese of Washington, USA Today and the Pew Charitable Trusts.


Recent polls suggesting a shift in Catholic acceptance of homosexual unions, including same-sex “marriage,” have provoked considerable controversy, with headlines suggesting that the majority of the faithful have broken with their bishops. Some argue that the polling data have been intentionally skewed to support a “gay-rights agenda.” What has been the outcome of your research on this issue?

I analyzed the General Social Survey [GSS] to look at opinions on homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” (SSM) among American Catholics. I found that Catholics were more supportive of same-sex “marriage” — and more tolerant of homosexuality generally — than Protestants are. This is not a new or surprising development; it has been true ever since the questions have been asked.

I also found that tolerance of homosexuality has been growing since the 1980s among both Catholics and Protestants, and support for SSM has been growing since the 1990s. Tolerance and same-sex “marriage” support is also much higher among younger persons, both Protestant and Catholic. As these younger cohorts age into the mainstream of the population, it is likely that tolerance and support is going to increase.

The GSS asks whether the respondent thinks sexual relations between two adults of the same sex are “always wrong,” “almost always wrong,” “wrong only sometimes” or “not wrong at all.” I was interested in the number of Catholics who said “always wrong,” that is, they agreed with Catholic teaching. In the most recent surveys, 51% of American Catholics said homosexual relations were always wrong, but 69% of Protestants also said this. On SSM, the gap is even wider: 61% of Protestants oppose SSM, but only 39% of Catholics do. All these proportions have been dropping for the past 20 years.

So a majority of Catholics still think homosexuality is always wrong, but only two-fifths oppose homosexual “marriage.” How is this? The big change, and it’s true for both Protestants and Catholics, has been not among persons who oppose homosexuality — they still oppose SSM by and large — but among the growing minority who think homosexual relations are “not wrong at all.”


Do respondents distinguish between “tolerance” of homosexual unions and support for same-sex “marriage” or civil unions?

In the 1980s, most persons who thought that way made a distinction between tolerating homosexual relations as a private behavior and certifying it in a public status like marriage; that is much less the case today. Only 45% of those who think homosexuality is not wrong at all also supported SSM in the 1980s; today that figure is above 75%.

So the good news is that most Catholics still agree with the Church’s teaching on homosexuality; the bad news is that the level of agreement is dropping fast.


You note that “Catholic” states (those with a larger percentage of Catholics) have been more likely to support same-sex “marriage.” But the legislators, not the voters, have passed legal same-sex “marriage.”

Second, to what degree is this phenomenon the fallout from John F. Kennedy’s “solution” to conflict between the faith and political commitments of Catholic politicians? Might the record be different with different leadership?

What my research shows is only that voter opinion supporting SSM or civil unions is higher in states with a larger proportion of Catholics and lower in states with fewer Catholics (and more Protestants). One is welcome to counter that legislatures, or referenda, do not perfectly reflect voter opinion and are sometimes corrected by the voters in referenda; that is certainly true.

My point about referenda was only that no referendum has approved SSM, not only because the voters are always opposed to it, but also because in states where voters are likely to support it a referendum is not mounted. So in Vermont, for example, there was no referendum held on civil unions when the Legislature passed that law, because anyone considering mounting such a referendum would judge, correctly, that it would be very likely to fail in Vermont.

Certainly the record would be different with different leadership; the sad irony is that many legislators who support SSM claim to be faithful Catholics. But getting different leadership, in our system, depends directly on the will of the voters.


Should all “Catholic” respondents be lumped together in opinion research, as some studies do?

No. Active, church-attending Catholics are generally less accepting of homosexuality and SSM than are less active ones. But Catholics at every level of Church activity or commitment are more accepting of homosexuality than their Protestant counterparts.


What’s the connection between Catholics’ increasing tolerance of homosexual unions and political support for civil unions or same-sex “marriage”?

I found that the dropping opposition to homosexuality, especially among Catholics, is politically relevant. Voters still largely oppose SSM, but the level of opposition is declining. States with the highest proportion of Catholics in the population are the ones who have permitted SSM or civil unions.


Some advocates of traditional marriage have charged that many surveys signaling increased Catholic acceptance for same-sex “marriage” arise from agenda-driven opinion research. How should we assess the credibility of these studies?

The General Social Survey — what I used in my study — has been administered almost annually since 1972 by the National Opinion Research Center and funded by the National Science Foundation. It is the gold standard for objective, unbiased social-science opinion research and is the furthest you can get from agenda-driven data.

In today’s polarized political and media environment, just about any research announced with a press conference is likely to exhibit bias, and it’s certainly possible that PRRI has some agenda in publishing its study.

The proportions of support for homosexuality/SSM among Catholics they report are a little higher than those I found on the GSS, and some of their questions seem a little leading; but their basic findings and the trends they report are very consistent with what I found on the GSS, which is about as unbiased a dataset on public opinion as you can find.

If I have an agenda, it would be the opposite of that which PRRI is alleged to have. I am wholeheartedly supportive of the Church’s teachings in this area, and my study was published in the 2010 Catholic Social Science Review, the top journal for magisterially consonant social science research.

Yet my findings were very similar to those in the PRRI survey. One can look at rising Catholic tolerance of SSM and say further rise is inevitable. One can also look at rising Catholic tolerance of SSM and say the Church has a lot to do in this area. Either way, it is important to acknowledge the fact of rising Catholic tolerance of SSM.


Supporters of same-sex “marriage” point to shifting poll numbers signaling increased support for their goal. But every time the issue is addressed in a referendum, voters reject same-sex “marriage.” What’s the difference between an opinion poll and the election booth?

Support is increasing but has not yet reached majority in most settings. That will very likely change, and we will begin to see referenda that affirm SSM. Also, referendums are self-selecting to reject SSM to some extent. If there is enough support to have a referendum, there is more likely to be enough support to reject SSM-enabling legislation. States that now permit SSM have not had a referendum.


You say there has been a marked shift of Catholic opinion on same-sex “marriage,” as compared to Protestants.

Catholics have always been less opposed to SSM than Protestants, but the gap has recently widened dramatically. In the 1980s, Catholics were 8% below Protestants in the proportion opposed to SSM; today the difference has widened to 22%. Opposition to SSM has dropped among both Catholics and Protestants, but it has dropped much more among Catholics.


You suggest that young Catholics account for much of the difference between Protestants and Catholics on the issue of same-sex “marriage.”

The gap between Catholics and Protestants, with Catholics more supportive of SSM, is much larger among persons under 40. Younger Catholics are much more supportive of SSM, relative to younger Protestants, than are their respective elders.


You provide a number of reasons for Catholic tolerance of same-sex unions. Please discuss.

No one knows for sure why this is, but I offer some hunches. Catholics are more tolerant than other Americans on a wide range of moral issues, not just SSM. Catholics have a sense of minority status and a history of prejudice and being stigmatized in America, so it is natural that they would be sensitive to stigmatization and exclusion of other groups.

Also, Catholics in America experience a tension with public institutions that Protestants by and large do not. They also may feel less of a sense of ownership of American public institutions, like marriage, so they are less threatened by changes to civic institutions.

Tolerance of SSM is consistent with the history of recent American dissent from Church teaching on issues of private sexual morality that began with Humanae Vitae. On birth control, divorce and premarital sex, the American Church has tolerated widespread lay dissent, even among elite moral theologians and the priesthood; and this pattern, at least until recently, was also the case with SSM.

I think the bishops have also waffled on the issue a bit. When the bishops are hazy on the issue, it’s not surprising that the laity will be ambivalent. The American bishops today are much more clear on homosexuality and SSM than they were 20 years ago, which is a very promising development.


However, your research also notes that American Catholics are much less accepting of homosexual unions than their European counterparts.

We should acknowledge that both Catholics and Protestants in America are much less tolerant of homosexuality than is the case in most other industrialized countries.

Americans demand a higher level of public morality in their institutions, a kind of civil religion. This civil religion is fundamentally Protestant in form and sensibility, which may also contribute to the higher Protestant opposition protecting changes to the civil institution of marriage.


Has your research picked up on any recent changes in Catholic opinion, perhaps as a result of new initiatives by individual dioceses or the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops?

No, I used long-term national data, which are not sensitive to local or topical trends.


Why have polls become a predictable part of social movements and political campaigns? What do we want from polls? What do activists/politicians touting poll numbers want us to get from them? Are many of us conformists looking for direction?

First, we live in a political system where issues are decided and leaders are chosen by getting a majority vote. Politicians and activists use polls to get an indication on how well they’re doing and where they might have to work harder to succeed.

Second, each of us reads polls in order to locate our own opinions within the range of opinions expressed by others. We kind of locate ourselves within the community of opinion, and so know ourselves a little better, by learning how our opinion compares to those of other people.

The deeper question you may be asking is what relation poll results have to the truth of a matter. If a large majority of people think a certain way, does that create any greater presumption that that way of thinking is true? That, of course, depends to some extent on the type of truth or knowledge in question. But for spiritual or religious or scientific or metaphysical truth, the answer has to be No.

Register senior editor Joan Frawley Desmond writes from Chevy Chase, Maryland.

 

 

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The survey may be true according to the statistical method that can be manipulated to achieve the desired outcome.  And to make a prediction based on that outcome proves the former as the article reflects a favourable view of the topic.

And that is a false positive according to me.

At 68+ years of age and a practicing Catholic, I am against SSM and homosexual activity.  And, I do not accept homosexuality as normal.  It has not been that any years ago when the American Psychiatric Assoc classified homosexuality as a mental illness.

I keep asking myself ‘why do Catholics need to politicise homosexuality?  Is same-sex marriage really an issue that should be incorporated into law or is it more a matter of the heart as Jesus clearly would have us understand?  If Catholics do not want to entertain same-sex marriage could they not simply avoid attending the wedding?  If Catholics view same-sex marriage as a sin, is it any less than their own sins?  Some Catholics have stated that same-sex marriage will harm basic family values.  But has the Church not blessed and conducted many heterosexual marriages in which partners secretly practised adultery, used birth control devices and even aborted a child?  Is it at all possible to claim these failed heterosexual marriages harmed family values – as supposedly same-sex marriages would?  How Is my marriage dependent on how other families behave?  Do they have to live next door or should I look in other countries as well?  As God fearing and loving individual should not our Catholic faith be so strong so that they have no need to judge others as Jesus reminded us again and again? Are we not all broken people equally in need of God’s salvific touch.

My spouse and I have been blissfully married for more than forty years and blessed with two wonderful children amid many divorced Catholic parents - is it not time to rediscover how the love of God conquers all?

The writer of the article asks, “So a majority of Catholics still think homosexuality is always wrong, but only two-fifths oppose homosexual ‘marriage.’ How is this?”


First of all, it is not “homosexual” marriage.  It is civil marriage.  To explain, even if the parties are same-sex, it is not a sex act.  Let me repeat this for the slow learners: “Same-sex marriage” is not a sex act.  It is a civil legal relationship about property, taxes, inheritance, etc.  No sexual act or even a sexual orientation is required at any time whatsoever for a civil marriage.  This is true whether the persons are same sex or opposite sex.  Just two persons agreeing to take care of one another, in sickness and health, for better or worse, until death or divorce, etc.


If, and let me repeat, if any persons engage in any sexual act, no civil marriage license is required for that.  People don’t get a civil marriage license to have sex, and just because two people have a civil marriage license doesn’t mean they have sex together.  But some small-minded people continue to think that “marriage” must always mean sex and refuse to appreciate the marriages of peanut butter and jelly and of song and words.


“Marriage” is a man-made word invented a few centuries ago.  It has always had multiple meanings and it always will, just like most every word in the English language.  Some people say this is confusing, as if words can only mean one thing, as if the lamb of God must be a four legged furry animal.  But I don’t take them seriously.

Is sex practice between people of same sex not sinful? Why did God punish people practicing lustful sex which included homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrha?  Did not the Roman empire fall partly because of too much lustful practices even with homosexuals which many people abhorred? If people of same sex marry and they cannot procreate, is the government willing to answer for immoral practices that can be derived as a consequence of such a union?  How can a child ever reconcile with society bred by a homosexual union many believe to be driven by lust more than anything else that is sincerely and honestly for the common good?  If there are only around 5% of the population categorized as homosexuals, would we not rather help these people by guiding them to become more fruitful citizens equipped with great talents for nation building? May the light of Jesus with truth and in love shine upon us and keep us away from darkness that God will heal our land.

You may find most “Americans” definition of “freedom”: “Doing what I want, when I want, how I want to satisfy me.”  This definition leads to a “freedom” of “understanding” without bounds.  This is a perversion of reason.  When “Americans” are asked what “freedom” means, they realize any limitation they place allows review of their own actions and they will say something like, “Who are we to JUDGE?”  That is a COP-OUT… P.C. run amok.  We constantly “judge” things AND people…we just don’t share our real thoughts.  The “Ugly American” has been redefined as “relative” morality, obliterating the concept of “sin”.  Having “homo” tendencies is Satan whispering to one’s Soul…it is NOT a SIN until it is acted upon and justified by the perverted, P.C. concept of “freedom”.

What we should be asking ,The teachings of a jesus on purity and singleness of heart and the teachings subjection of the flesh. The teachings of Jesus on Purity and Singleness of Heart ( revealed in the Gospel of Matthew 12:35) ” A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things.: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things . this scripture passage is considered to ba warning as to the last judgment ( Nothing to be kept back)A new catholic commentary on Holy Scripture interpreted this particular passage :basing on the structure if the Gospel , this section is in reference to , the hidden kingdom ( opposition and Dividion ) ” after their evil words have been noted, the conclusion that they themselves must be rotten follows through the intermediary of the figure oa a tree and it’s fruit, already used in the Old Testament ( Isaiah 3:10’, Hosea 10:13) and by Matthew 3:10 ( by John the Baptist against the Oharisees) and 7:16-20
Subjection of the flesh ( Biblucal revelation , The Gospel of Matthew 18:8) ” wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed , rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. ( A new catholic commentary on Holy Scripture ) interpreted this scriptural passage : this particular structure of the Gospel dealt with the Kingdom develops : community discourse, ” is attached to the prohibition of even adulterous looks and thoughts in 5:28-29 ( where the foot is omitted) the eye and the hand being possible means of sinning in this matter. But here thevchief interest is on the possibility of being led into sin by other members of the community.”
This particular passage , will also have us reflect us being redeemed , it is our duties and graces of the new life by Self- Denial , subjection of the body , and.  Non- conformity to the world , by purity of heart, fidelity, steadfastness,zeal , consecration , perfection .
Reflection , Lastly a character building precept( walking in the light) Life has it’s sunbursts . There are moments that are sweet and days that are divine. There ate events which crowd an eternity into an hour. There are experience which causecthe heavenscto be opened and grant to the weary pilgrim a vision of the rainbow round about the throne. There are evenings when the stars seem to be living diamonds and there are nightsvwhen ” Northern Lights” fling trembling vibration like divine reflections across the sky. Thank God forvevery experience rich and rare. Live in the light of your experience. Bill Bray , writing in the year 1823 of the wonderful conversion which he had experienced , remarked,” everything looked new to me , the people,the fields ,the cattle, the trees - I was a new man in a new world”
Peace to all , during this Lenten Season !!!!!!

It is a matter of shame to hear that American catholics support same sex marriage and homosexuality. How low is the faith in their hearts ? We commit sin but we should not argue that sin is not sin. More religious education may be necessary,

“Same sex marriage” is not a sin and it is not a homosexual act.  It is a pop lay term used in reference to a civil legal relationship between persons of the same sex who may be heterosexual, asexual, homosexual but chaste, etc.  It indicates that the persons have a legal commitment to one another.  Beyond that, we do not know what they do and we are strongly cautioned not to assert wrongdoing based merely on somebody’s terminology.  In the words of Aquinas, “when a man, from slight indications, esteems another man’s wickedness as certain. This is a mortal sin, if it be about a grave matter.”  Even “when a man begins to doubt of another’s goodness from slight indications. This is a venial sin”.

Well, no one asked my opinion so here it is.  Please don’t put me in the same category as the rest of America.  Just because I prefer the company of some females does NOT make me a lesbian…they’re just easier to relate to.  Truth to tell, I’d rather have felines than either sex.

In 1 John 2:15-17, St. John, through divine guidance from the Holy Spirit tells us, “Do not love the world or anything in the world.  If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  For everything in the world – the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does – comes not from the Father but from the world.  The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.” We can only boast of God’s words, not of anything material that leads us to sin. And regarding his teachings, Jesus made it clear to his disciples in Matthew 24:35 as he said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” If a homosexual union can lead others to sin, is it not our duty as true believers to guide them back to the light of Christ who is the Truth, the Way and the Life?

I’m as Roman Catholic as they come. I love Latin, incense, pipe organs and chant and I’m completely for gay marriage. I believe our religion was influenced by the Roman Empire to be anti-gay and that originally homophobia was not a part of Roman Catholicism. I believe in a return to Catholicism focusing on religion and not sex. It’s the wave of the future. Us young Catholics are leading the way. Shed your prejudices. They are futile. Don’t fight progress or it will leave you behind.

I’m delighted to know that less than 40% of my fellow Catholics oppose SSM and that numbers are even lower among younger Catholics:  the future of our Church.  My daughters know that we, as a family, support the New York legislature in providing overdue civil rights to SS couples.  I have not yet had to explain to them the Church’s position on this same issue. I’ll properly quote Church sources and offer no opinion against our Church.  But, I also hope that our same Church has offered them enough leadership and inspiration on social justice issues that they are tolerant, welcoming and futures voice for reform within our Church.

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