We need to continue the fight, and we need to remember these names when election time comes around. We cannot sit idly by and allow these people to continue to do what they are doing. This is not only a Catholic issue. It is a law that violates the very foundation of the Constitution.

Stop the HHS Mandate…

The traitors who voted against the amendment are not Catholic.

Morality is doing what’s right, regardless of what you are told.

Catholics do what they are told, regardless of what is right.

How do you know these didn’t vote for the right thing?

Jim is right—Catholics who support contraception have excommunicated themselves and will burn in hell.

See how easy it is to kick bad people out of the group?

Unfortunately, in our state there was little point in lobbying Patrick Leahy.  He’s not apt to run again due to his age, and he has a long voting history of ignoring Catholic teaching on issues related to sexual matters.

This article needs to be edited.  I’m trying to understand it.  The Catholic vote section doesn’t make sense.  Catholics for Freedeom, the word “you”, then names.  Then a bunch of names under it.  What?  Are all these people Catholics?  Who voted what?  AND, what is “Catholics for Freedom you”?  Help!

McCain’s a Baptist?

Kay,
Thanks. I had a cut & paste problem.  Fixed.

They aren’t Catholics. They’re Democrats. Their loyalty is to those who bankroll them and their party. Take “my” senator, Claire McCaskill. The pro-abortion slush fund EMILY’S list is her biggest single campaign contributor. By a lot. Who wants to shut down Catholic education? Teachers unions. Who wants Catholic institutions out of health care and social services? Those who want those things to be made government responsibilities. Who are the major components of the Democrat Party? Affluent “lifestyle” liberals who oppose the Church on abortion and marriage, public employee unions, especially teachers unions, government employees, and people who are dependent upon government’s largesse. That’s the modern Democrat Party in a nutshell. And that’s who the McCaskills, Leahys, Kerrys and the rest are concerned with. Not our silly unenlightened little conscience rights. And they’ll be able to trot out some elderly pantsuited nuns, and cynical,disingenous Jesuit professors who’ll say that they, not us, are “really Catholic”. That’s what that whole “accomodation” farce was about in the first place. Find a wafer thing “polite fiction” to give these political hacks cover. This isn’t over. Not by a long shot.

At what point do we stop calling these people “Catholic?”  Catholic is as Catholic obeys.  If people are completely, totally, utterly, wantonly, godlessly, miserably, disobedient to the precepts of the faith, then what does it really mean to say they are “Catholic?”  Simply showing up for Mass and claiming the mantle of “Catholic” does not a Catholic make, so why do we even honor these people by calling them Catholics to begin with?  As an adult convert to the faith, and as one who spent nearly forty years as a Protestant, I am on intimate terms with what Protestantism is (well, at least the major flavors) and thus I know what it is when I see it.  I live in Illinois and Sen. Dick Durbin is registered at my parish (Blessed Sacrament, Springfield, IL).  Mr. Durbin is, in every sense of the word that matters, a Protestant through and through.  Just because he claims to be Catholic does not mean that he actually is in his heart of hearts.  Martin Luther also claimed the mantle of “Catholic” and we see how that turned out.  Let’s all just stop calling them Catholics…they do not deserve the dignity and majesty of that title anymore.  We the laity do not have the power of excommunication, but we do not have to continue to call these people what they clearly are not.

@ Another Guest: “Morality is doing what’s right, regardless of what you are told.
Catholics do what they are told, regardless of what is right.
How do you know these didn’t vote for the right thing?”

How do you know that what Catholics are told isn’t right?  When Catholics do what the Church teaches on matters of faith and morals, then it is always right, regardless of what myopic, secular, narcissistic, brainless sheeple in love with their own warped intellects might think.

The Catholic Church is an institution. Institutions are created by men (human beings) based on the interpretation of a book written down by men (humans). Men (human beings) are fallible, so therefore the Catholic Church was created in a fallible presumption. Anyone who has the presumption to claim they know what God’s desires and plans are based on the interpretatioms of a book written by a man, they are fallible too. My two cents.

That Pelosi person said that the Catholic church was at fault for not ENFORCING THE CONTRACEPTION rule.

I ask her one thing. How? All the laws we have against whatever the issue is…......is enforced by catching them in the act of the broken rule.

Stop and think Nancy Pelosi…...how do you catch these people unless you post someone watching over EACH PERSON for whatever they do.

Police use radar to catch speeders WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW!

Cameras are able to catch people in certain acts of breaking laws.

Conscience is what catches us. We have ANESTHESIZED our consciences. 

But we “OURSELVES” know what is right or wrong.

As a Catholic and a God fearing person…..........I enforce the law.

If I choose to break it….........who will stop me?

@ Kailee:  Two cents doesn’t go very far in this economy, and neither does your non-argument.  The Catholic Church is not an “institution,” as you put it.  Neither is it a club of believers.  It was not founded by men.  It was founded by Jesus Christ who is God.  The Pope, the man, is fallible and makes mistakes all the time.  When he teaches on a matter of faith and morals, however, then it is Christ, through the Holy Spirit, who PREVENTS him from teaching lies and falsehoods.  It does not mean that the Pope, the man, cannot ever sin or make a mistake.  It just means that when the Church, founded by Christ, teaches, it does so correctly.  You need to learn what the Church is before you try to attack it.

Kailee, you are wrong.  The Church was founded by Jesus Christ.  He graced it with the gift of infallibility in fsith and morals. I assume thbook youare talking about is the Bible, and you should know that the Bible came from the Church, not the other way around, and waswritten by many men, but indpired by the one Spirit of God.

There have only been 2 “infallible” statements. Contraception was not one of them.

@ Rick:  Nope.  There have only been two “ex cathedra” statements.  That does not mean the Church is wrong on contraception, any more than the Church is wrong to say that Jesus existed (there’s never been an ex cathedra on that either).  Come on sheeple…let’s raise the bar on the quality of this discussion shall we?

Another Guest: nobody needed to tell me that the mandate was wrong.  I was perfectly capable of looking at the facts and coming to that conclusion myself.  I am, however, grateful that the bishops *unanimously* came to the same conclusion.
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Kailee: under any other circumstance I’d agree, but when it comes to the declaring of the universal Church, Jesus Christ was no ordinary man.
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Rick: yes, please, if there’s anything we need more of it’s defining a religion (indeed, an existence) based on the bare minimum we can get away with.  Mediocrity is so appealing.

I’m very unsurprised by my senator’s vote.  :(

Just a friendly reminder:
Excommunication does not mean someone burns in hell. It means that their actions and/or speech are so at odds with Church teaching that they are outside the Church, and, thus, not Catholic.

Only God decides whether someone “burns in hell.” No one on earth has the ability to judge. Even those who say “Well, you know they probably will burn because they’ve done <x> or said <y>” are incorrect. Only God knows the heart of man. Really. It says so in Scripture.

@Kailee - Lol….I don’t usually do a pointless post, but WHERE did you learn your logic!?  When you use a fallacy in your argument your “logical” conclusion becomes meaningless.

Glad to see Casey voted for freedom.

Our Founding Fathers, and the Sons of Liberty, justified the Revolutionary War as “Common Sense” against England based upon the Philosophies of John Locke; who believed in man’s basic - God Given -intrinsic freedoms of “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”  Our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution and Bill of Rights ARE what make us the “Land of the Free ... and the Home of the Brave.” Certainly, we have drastically evolved and disrespected the core of our own basic freedoms in letting the National Government, by the (HHS) mandate, decide, define and demand for us who and how religious affiliated and faith based organizations must pay for healthcare; including, contraception and/or abortive medications.  This is anything but - religious freedom!  What a disgrace to our Pledge of Allegiance our National Anthem; our first Amendment and the soul of our country.  This is disguised treason.  We have truthfully made a huge mistake- the HHS mandate must be repealed.

The Founding Fathers, and the Sons of Liberty, justified the Revolutionary War as “Common Sense” against England based upon the Philosophies of John Locke; who believed in man’s basic - God Given -intrinsic freedoms of “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”  Our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution and Bill of Rights ARE what make us the “Land of the Free ... and the Home of the Brave.” Certainly, we have drastically evolved and disrespected the core of our own basic freedoms in letting the National Government, by the (HHS) mandate, decide, define and demand for us who and how religious affiliated and faith based organizations must pay for healthcare; including, contraception and/or abortive medications.  This is anything but - religious freedom!  What a disgrace to our Pledge of Allegiance our National Anthem; our first Amendment and the soul of our country.  This is disguised treason.  We have truthfully made a huge mistake- the HHS mandate must be repealed.

The Sons of Liberty, justified the Revolutionary War as “Common Sense” against England based upon the Philosophies of John Locke; who believed in man’s basic - God Given -intrinsic freedoms of “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”  Our Declaration of Independence and US Constitution and Bill of Rights ARE what make us the “Land of the Free ... and the Home of the Brave.” Certainly, we have drastically evolved and disrespected the core of our own basic freedoms in letting the National Government, by the (HHS) mandate, decide, define and demand for us who and how religious affiliated and faith based organizations must pay for healthcare; including, contraception and/or abortive medications.  This is anything but - religious freedom!  What a disgrace to our Pledge of Allegiance our National Anthem; our first Amendment and the soul of our country.  This is disguised treason.  We have truthfully made a huge mistake- the HHS mandate must be repealed.

Kerry (MA) was out campaigning in my home town the other day. Both Kerry and Reed (RI) are liars when they say they’re Catholic. This charade must be put to an end. They are both supporters of abortion and even partial birth abortion. We need to throw these bums out but there are still I think too many ignorant people who just vote Democrat for no other reason then because they always do. RI has the highest Catholic percentile in the Country…
Bishop Tobin (RI)  is a very very good Bishop though we’ll see.. In MA the Bishops need to stop being so sweet and non confrontational.. That time has ended, the wolves are at the door..

CINO’s (Catholics in name only) are a plague within the church in America. Some I’m not suprised because of states they represent seem to be areas that have more CINO’s than other states.

All 13 should have been formally and publicly excommunicated before the sun went down.  The bishops are culpable in this ongoing scandal.

Laura and Upbeat Dad, “See how easy it is to kick people out of the group?”  The group isn’t the group anymore if it doesn’t stand for anything.  These men and women who want to claim the name but don’t believe the teaching are destroying the group.  If it’s a group of nurses but one of them thinks all ill people should die and kills them all, she has a degree but she doesn’t use her degree to heal but to kill. You try to talk to her and explain the reasons and she shuts down and refuses to listen and just keeps killing.  She uses faulty logic and her own precepts instead of medical ones and she ignores you. Shouldn’t she be out of the group?  That’s what we have here.

Will the Democratic Party be remembered as the party of death, lies and deceit?
I see little hope otherwise.

Pat,

Please proofread your blog, e.g. “done.” The “form” of your right-on analysis is important to certain friends of mine who, sad to say, tend to criticize and even dismiss content because of mis-spellings and syntactical errors. The president of one of local Catholic colleges wrote a sterling letter with regard to the HHS’s and Obama’s most recent attempt to destroy religious freedom and freedom of conscience in our country; the comments were outrageous both language-wise and thoughtwise. Please, do not I thing I place you in that category of the aforementioned “commenters.” By the way, kudos to Sen. Scott Brown for voting for true freedom.

Continue to endeavor to persevere,

Not really a nitpicker,

PH

Tom R:
While I agree with you on the teaching on excommunication (which is meant to be a way to bring people back to God and the faith, just as disciplining our children or going to confession does) I disagree that “only God decides who goes to hell.”  God does NOT send people to hell.  People go to hell because they’ve chosen to cut themselves off from God and are unrepentant.  God will always allow us to have what we want (free will) and he will not deny us hell if we choose it ourselves.

So when are the Bishops going to ex-communicate them?  That is the answer and you can’t deny it.

Easy… excummunicate ALL OF the ones who voted against religious liberty !
- Why complain things? If a person like myself does not defend Catholic Christian values, how can I then be called a Catholic? Let them follow their own Atheists/ Unitarian/ Liberal religion….. we gotta get rid of this poisson in the Church… it is just so pathetic to see how much damage these “Liberals Catholics” do to the worlwide Church !

I agree 100% that these politicians who voted against this are wrong…  BUt why all this talk about excommunication?  Should we also excommunicate everybody who voted for or will vote for these politicians.  Or better yet, let’s excommunicate everyone who recieves communion on Sunday while not in a state of grace… that won’t be many people since most catholics obey the precepts and go to confession often right?  I also think we should excommunicate all Catholics who use contraception and aren’t repentent about it.  Let’s see, how many are left?  I think the lesson that most of us “proper” Catholics forget most often is that of the pharisee and the tax collector.  We all need to stop trying to be pharisees.  The answer is not excommunication of sinners, but education.  Lets stop telling people how wrong they are but instead teach them why we believe we are right.

@Upbeat Dad: “
How do you know that what Catholics are told isn’t right?  When Catholics do what the Church teaches on matters of faith and morals, then it is always right, regardless of what myopic, secular, narcissistic, brainless sheeple in love with their own warped intellects might think.”

Gee, and you wrote that without irony! You are the one’s afraid to disobey, and that is what you base your morality on. The title of this article is “Catholics Vote Against Their Own.” which says what your think about independent thought on what is right. At best, this is called “Group-think” where people loose sight of right and wrong and vote to stay in the group.
If only you can see how others see you—you would be ashamed of your selves—if you had any shame.

@Pam—another Straw Man argument—much like OK Senator Southby’s proposal to ban fetuses in food products.
Would it hurt your head to stop bringing up ridiculous scenarios and think about reality just for a few minutes?

“Kailee, you are wrong.  The Church was founded by Flying Spaghetti Monster.  He graced it with the gift of infallibility in fsith and morals. I assume the book you are talking about is The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and you should know that The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster came from Bobby Henderson, and was written by many men, but indpired by the Monster’s noodle appendage.”
Ramen

Sorry—I misspelled “inspired.” Ramen!

“Catholics defeated the Blunt amendment.”

No - Democrats did. 

50 Democrats and 1 Republican voted against the Republican sponsored Blunt amendment to restore First Amendment Rights for religion.

45 Republicans and 3 Democrats voted to restore religious freedom in the First Amendment

Where Catholics ARE responsible for this vote and the loss of Constitutional First Amendment rights of religion was their vote for the first pro-abortion, pro-infanticide President ever.  54% of Catholics voted for Obama, and I am positive that included a majority of clergy, including bishops. 

Wake up Catholics before you find yourselves in Hell.  You better be telling the truth when you stand to profess your Profession of Faith in Sunday Masses, and pray for God’s “will” to “be done on earth” in the Lord’s Prayer.  If you are being truthful, there is no way on earth you can also be giving your name identification and votes to the pro-abortion party.  That is, unless you believe God creates life for it to be aborted, and that abortion is not an intrinsic evil.

I’ll write properly and, this time, will not not try to make an obvious point of grammar and spelling.

Last night, on one of the Boston channels, I heard once again a newsperson say that the Blunt amendment against “contraception” was defeated. I’m still waiting to hear some responsible person in the liberal media dare to mention the words: abortion, abortifacient, sterilization. Her Pelosiness and her minions have overstepped the moral and health line when they declare that RU-486 and abortions are people friendly.

We should hold some priests, bishops, theologians, and laity responsible for what is now happening. Why did Cardinal Hickey have to reinstate priests who refused to honor Humanae Vitae? The late Walter Bruggeman’s recanting of his support of the NYTimes full page add against the encyclical came too late and at what a cost. Why have too many of our bishops refused/failed to uphold Catholic teaching and the sound advice of then Cardinal Ratzinger and, instead, have offered us the public scandal of pro-abortion/pro-choice politicians receiving the Eucharist.

I agree with Benedict XVI that the kind of peace too many clergy and laity have been trying to uphold is “disgusting.”

Libera nos a malo, Domine.

Peter

As I always say, we are in this mess BECAUSE of Catholics.  As Fr. Groeschel has said more specifically “stupid Catholics.”

Well said Carol. Ramen and her flying spaghetti monster don’t mean anything.
Let’s Educate.

This is very helpful.  I saw a long list of who voted yes and who voted no, and it was very clear it was along party lines, with Democrats supporting President Obama’s mandate, and Republicans voting for the Blunt amendment.  I still need to absorb the information supplied by this well written article that is much appreciated.

This goes to show we conservative Catholics are wise to link arms with other non-Catholic Christians that are like-minded.  It is okay if they do not ever become Roman Catholic.  We are called to be CHRISTIAN.

We must all just remember we serve Jesus, and Jesus prayed for all His Church to be one, like He & His Father are One, worshipping the Holy Trinity, in spirit and in truth, meaning we are in agreement on matters that have eternal importance, and not majoring in the minors.

We need not all wear Catholic hats.  We need only to know & OBEY Jesus.  To do that, and maintain our God-given right to form our own conscience, we need to maintain the religious freedoms we’ve enjoyed from Day One.

@Ixthus:
Of course you’re correct. I was so focused on the fact that some seemed to think a man could judge others as opposed to judging their actions and deeds, that I typed ahead of myself. The point is, man makes the choice, but only God knows his heart, no other man does.
Again - just a friendly remindeer.

This would not even be an issue if Catholic Bart Stupak of Michigan hadn’t caved in the Obamacare vote.  I hope he’s enjoying the airport upgrade funds for his district.  He sold his soul for earmarks.  Why do Catholics ALWAYS act brain dead and vote for Northeastern Catholic Democratic idiots?  What in God’s name is so hallow about the name “Kennedy” and the coat tails of so many other liberal Catholics following in the Kennedy legacy?  Even Catholic Democrat Richard Durbin of Illinois once likened our troops to Nazi’s.  When these people say they are Catholic, we should all be embarrassed.

@Laura:  You wrote:  “Jim is right, —Catholics who support contraception have excommunicated themselves and will burn in hell.”    That statment is absurd since you are forgetting your Catholic grammar school teaching.  We were told it’s not a sin *IF* you have made an “examination of conscience.”  Of course, that teaching is ridiculous as well as totally unbiblical and yet, this remains church teaching.  If I have examined my conscience and determined stealing is not a sin, then I can steal.  Catholic politicians must take solice in this teaching.  I suppose the Magisterium is not quite as infallible as I once used to think.

Oath of Office (senate)
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

We need a Constitution 101 Refresher on the Senate floor.

In-the-pew,
Now I’m confused—I thought if you supported contraception knowing it was against the teachings of the Church, you excommunicated yourself. Does this mean Catholics for Choice is OK in calling itself a Catholic organization? What about the nun at St. Joseph’s who was excommunicated when she OK’d an abortion for a woman who would have died without it?

Kailee, you are wrong.  The Church was founded by the Invisible Pink Unicorn—who is miraculously pink and invisible at the same time!  She graced it with the gift of infallibility in faith and morals. I assume the book you are talking about is the Manifesto, and you should know that the Manifesto came from the Church, not the other way around, and was written by many men, but inspired by the light of Her Golden Hoofs!
May Her Golden Light Shine On You!

The essence of the legislation is that employers could deny any kind of medical coverage to their employees,not just birth control if they had religious reasons for doing so.Therefore a JW could refuse coverage for transfusions.The waters were muddied by a badly written bill.

“We have to pass the bill before we know what’s in it.” —Catholic Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House)

At Devil’s advocate,  We disagree.  What these politicians are doing is just as outrageous, but our Church leaders have so many skeletons in the closet that they feel they can’t act against them or they follow the Democratic bartering style Catholicism - (You hurt me but you throw me a compliment and I’m supposed to be ok with the harm you do because it’s not politically correct to say what needs to be said or to “judge” you and make you accountable. We will avoid the appearance of controversy at all costs even when we should be outraged. And I will just manipulate and insinuate and do whatever it takes to get you to reconsider - with a smile of course)  A true Catholic would know that Christ would rather have your sin exposed and have you do the right thing than have you save face and promote ever deeper sin. 

In the Pew: It isn’t enough to examine your conscience.  The conscience has to be “rightly formed.”  Since so many Catholics don’t know their faith, very few have “rightly formed consciences”.  So yes Laura, it is a sin to know something is wrong and against Church teaching and still promote the sin.

Sorry.  Comment was meant for “Another guest.” Not Devil’s advocate.

@joseph vellone -

“Therefore a JW could refuse coverage for transfusions”

You are incorrect.  This is settled law which is based on the validity of medical necessity.

You listed Susan Collins as voting for Freedom.  She voted against it.

How sad for America and the Catholic Church.  I, however, will never bow to Mr. Obama.  He is not God, and will never take away my identity as a Roman Catholic.

As much as I despise the mandate, I think we need to focus more on education and less on politics. I believe we have at least 5 Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court so why is abortion still legal?  Why do 80 or 90 percent of Catholics still use contraception?  I believe it is because we as a Church have not done the greatest job at teaching our members about the wisdom and beauty of the Church’s teachings on these issues. Christopher West’s Good News should be required reading for every 8th grade student in our Catholic schools….

@In the pew -

“If I have examined my conscience and determined stealing is not a sin, then I can steal.”

The following is from a pamphlet in the back of the church entitled “How to Form Your Catholic Conscience.”

“Conscience, though, also involves judgments about what to do or not to do ahead of time. When we turn to our conscience, we are drawing upon an interior resource that enables us to hear God’s voice and apply His law to a given situation.  A well-formed conscience will guide us ‘to do good and avoid evil’ at the appropriate moment. (CCC1777)”

“In the final analysis, God will judge us according to our conscience (cf. Church in the Modern World, 16).  Conscience, though, is not infallible.  It can make erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed’ (CCC,1790).  The main sources for these erroneous judgments are” Ignorance, Sin, Bad example, Lack of conversion, Enslavement to passions, A sense of moral autonomy, A rejection of the Church’s authority and her teachings (CCC1792).

“In short, God will judge us according to our conscience, but He will also determine whether we have taken the steps to form our consciences properly.

There’s more, but that is enough for now to know God won’t accept any excuses in “examination of conscience” except complete ignorance causing one to be incapable of knowing right from wrong of an action…and God knows everything.  A Pelosi won’t escape.

@Tom M

“I think we need to focus more on education and less on politics.”

These are spiritual issues that must be worked out where they are brought up.  And just because a pro-abortion, pro-infanticide Democrat President is using his political power in an unconstitutional manner does not mean we should not be fighting this injustice because he and the Democrat Senators are a political organization.  This is spiritual, not politics. 

The bishops should order all churches to provide Voter Registration opportunities after all Sunday obligation Masses.  They should also include prayers after the Homily to include Returning the Historical Freedom of First Amendment Rights to Religious organizations and the free exercise thereof.  That is something that can be done and would be an appropriate and legal action the bishops could exercise to counter what this President and his Party are trying to do to the Catholic Church in America.  And it would all be “educational.”

@Tom M who wrote:  “The bishops should order all churches to provide Voter Registration opportunities after all Sunday obligation Masses.”  But not illegal aliens in the Los Angeles Archdiocese.  Archbishop Gomez is a hyper advocate of illegal immigration.  It appears an “examination of conscience” on his part justifies stealing of American taxpayer money.  This is what happens when church theologians with too much time on their hands begin to invent doctrine beyond basic biblical principles.

Rush is correct.  Why should anyone be forced to pay for contraception so a 30 year old law student at Catholic Georgetown can have sex?  She is over 18 so she is old enough to pay for her own contraception.  The US Constitution guarantees many rights.  Nowhere does it guarantee that fellow Americans, companies and institutions must fund certain behaviors of “choice.”  Only in the world of Obama and his modern day Rasputin campaign chairman, David Axelrod.  btw, Axelrod is yet another Catholic.

Interestingly nobody is talking about Afghanistan and the brillant mind that send us to fight a war we could not win…despite warnings from the British,French and even the Russians. The cost to date is over 18oo dead Americans, hundreds wounded and still counting. The monetary cost is in the billions and our soldiers are sill in danger. Only news is of more dead Americans and Obama aplolgizing to the Muslims. Perhaps promising free birth control pills and abortions has silenced Obama’s critics.

Forgive, please. I meant Walter Burghardt, SJ, and not Walter Brueggemann. Haste makes a waste of time, energy, and ...!

Peter

@Another Guest
“another Straw Man argument—much like OK Senator Southby’s proposal to ban fetuses in food products.
Would it hurt your head to stop bringing up ridiculous scenarios and think about reality just for a few minutes?”

It’s not another Strawman Argument.  Read the following article then decide if Sen. Ralph Shortey (not Southby) of OK didn’t have a very good reason to introduce his bill to ban any products of abortion for human “consumption.”  http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/morally-tainted-products-made-possible-by-the-killing-of-innocent-human-lif/.

It bugs me how they consider themselves Catholic….

@Joan—
Are you saying that wasn’t popcorn shrimp at the Super Bowl party?

As a convert I am deeply sadden by the number of so called catholics that are elected officials that do not adhere to Gods word.  I am deeply sadden by the number of catholics who claim to be democratic.  You can not be a catholic or christian and be a democrat.  The democratic party is the party of death.  They are pro abortion, anti christian values socialists against freedom.  I do not understand how a so called TRUE catholic can support the democratic party and their support of abortion and other issues that are against the church and christ.  And now they are the socialist/communist party pushing for the elimination of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior in everything in this country does.  Wake up before it is to late.  I personally am disappointed with the so called catholic church.  The leaders are gutless,  they do not stand up to the issues and thus or country founded on Christian values is going to hell.  I personally have been thinking of leaving the gutless church. The non catholics seem to be the ones that are pushing for christian values and morals while the “church” seems to be sitting on their hands.  IT IS TIME THE LEADERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TOLD PELOSI, REED, PERRY, and other so called catholics to leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You are not followers of the way.  It is mentioned in Gods book many times that if a bother doesnt change then expel them from the church! 

So to the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church: GET SOME GUTS AND EXPEL PELOSI, PERRY AND OTHERS!!  I cant believe you tolerate the head of the HHS!!  She claims to be Catholic and yet look what she is mandating?  Yet no one says anything.  The American Catholic Church has become so compliant that they are siding with the enemy.  GET some guts and stand up for Christ!  We need some leaders that are willing to go to jail for Christ. 

I personally think it is time for another revolution, a time for a Christian revolution!

I found some real catholics posting here.  It is refreshing to see that there are some catholics that are for Chirst.  May be I made a good decision after all to convert.

Melchisedec Pelizer Arias: Easy… excummunicate ALL OF the ones who voted against religious liberty !
- Why complain things? If a person like myself does not defend Catholic Christian values, how can I then be called a Catholic? Let them follow their own Atheists/ Unitarian/ Liberal religion….. we gotta get rid of this poisson in the Church… it is just so pathetic to see how much damage these “Liberals Catholics” do to the worlwide Church !

In the Pew: This would not even be an issue if Catholic Bart Stupak of Michigan hadn’t caved in the Obamacare vote. “We have to pass the bill before we know what’s in it.” —Catholic Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House)Rush is correct.

Glen D: All 13 should have been formally and publicly excommunicated before the sun went down.  The bishops are culpable in this ongoing scandal.

Chris B. They aren’t Catholics. They’re Democrats. Their loyalty is to those who bankroll them and their party. Take “my” senator, Claire McCaskill. The pro-abortion slush fund EMILY’S list is her biggest single campaign contributor. By a lot. Who wants to shut down Catholic education? Teachers unions.

Tom As much as I despise the mandate, I think we need to focus more on education and less on politics. I believe we have at least 5 Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court so why is abortion still legal?  Why do 80 or 90 percent of Catholics still use contraception?  I believe it is because we as a Church have not done the greatest job at teaching our members about the wisdom and beauty of the Church’s teachings on these issues.

Gee, Steve—
Maybe you should run for president!

Or maybe there aren’t enough Catholics in this country…

I am deeply sadden by the number of catholics who claim to be democratic.  You can not be a catholic or christian and be a democrat.

@ Steve:
I suppose if Bush or Regan supported contraception, then you would approve—you can be Catholic or Christian and a Republican.

Hey, Joan—
There are no comments for the article you referred to on this register—obviously they offended the editors.

Hey Everybody!
Pat Archbbold just posted that name-calling can be a good thing!
Good Catholics: Ignorant, and proud of it.

Bacon is bacon, eggs are eggs, don’t let guys between your legs, they say you’re cute, they say you’re fine, nine months later they say not mine.

This is a poorly written and even more poorly argued article. If those condemming Catholics for their vote knew even a smigden of Catholic teaching and American constitutional history, especially the religious freedom clause, they wouldn’t write such silly comments.

There is no Catholic vote.  Catholics abort as much as anyone.  They use contraception as much as anyone.  Notre Dame gives an honorary degree to the Aborter-In-Chief and yet there are no consequences.  The Bishops huff and puff but there are no excommunications.  I am not surprised that I have not heard a single word from the pulpit on the mandate (yes, there was something published in the parish bulletin).  Why should I be?  When was the last time that anyone heard preaching from the pulpit on the topic of abortion?  I heard one five years ago and the priest was given almost a standing ovation at the end but I haven’t heard one since.

It’s one thing that Catholic legislators vote againt religious liberty and against life but it’s another thing when they are actively backing the other side on both issues.  And yet nothing happens.

It;s time for the Bishops of the US to stand up and teach, not by words but by actions.  I am afraid though that if these timid souls couldn’t muster up the courage to confront sexual abuse of children what chance to they have to stand up against a full-fledged political agenda of death?

Our bishop is fairly liberal and up to now, he’s not been much of a shepherd or a teacher of the Christian faith.  He’s mostly good at being a Master of Ceremonies, all pomp and circumstance at liturgies.

BUT this same man has been leading the way right now, bringing the general letter from the bishops to our attention LOUD AND CLEAR in all parishes.  He made it mandatory that priests that work in our diocese address the Roman Catholic Church is PRO-LIFE.  One pastor in the area began his homily with, “As we all know, the Roman Catholic Church is Pro-Life…”

So I sent the bishop a nice thank you note, and complimented him and the priests in our diocese that had the courage to speak at all Sunday Masses two weeks ago, indicating that Catholics must become aware and active about the Pro-Life message.  For men that up until now have not been on the same page, or accustomed to working as a group, I think this turn of events is TERRIFIC.  I’m also glad that Pat Archbold is addressing the political Catholic-turncoats so candidly.  Everyone: from those in the pew to Catholic columnists, and even REAL Catholic politicians, like Sen. Rick Santorum, have to speak up.

When our clergy sees successful results from their collective efforts as shepherds, I’m praying they speak up as loudly about the protection of traditional marriage in our country too, and that ALL Christians will get on the same page about the protection of religious expression & the right to form our own conscience as citizens, per the First Amendment.

If we lose the right to our own freedom of religion, it could get to the point like in China, where there is a one-child policy, per household, OR the government comes in and aborts Child #2 for us.  It will be bad news for America.  Pray for Christians to collectively be Salt and Light in an unsaved world.

Did everyone see the debate on the Senate floor a few years ago between Sen. Rick Santorum and Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif)on late term abortion?  Santorum was excellent.  Just excellent.  He was Salt and Light, in action!

Instead of “Catholics vote against their own” the title should read “Catholic impostors vote against the Catholics”...