You’re making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Moore was JOKING, and the audience knew he was joking, so they felt free to laugh.

Oh, and as for Archbold’s personal dislike of Moore, how is it that a self-professed follower of Jesus can find Moore and his films “uninteresting” when he, through his interviews and his work, highlights issues of social inequality and oppression? Didn’t Jesus by His actions directly address issues of social inequality and oppression?

Jesus didn’t address social issues by lying and being a hypocrite at the same time, while also charging the audience for movie tickets.

Regardless of what you “think” about Michael Moore, your “writing” style could “use” a little “editing.”

Oh, so joking about the Lord being gay is fine?  So long is we are all joking, we can slur or smear anyone?

Moore’s simpleton economics and utopian socialism are an utter bore.

Yes things are “that” bad. If anything they are probably worst.

The irreverence shown by Michael Moore to the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is embarrassing. When Moore’s audience reaches spiritual maturity and realize that they have been flim-flammed by disrespect to Jesus Christ, the wrath of God will well up in their hearts and souls. Our whole culture will face the wrath of God when all of its victims, who are minors worthy and deserving of protection realize that they have used and abused. These students need to demand their money back and demand too, decency in our daily venues.

Unfortunately, Goergetown really is that far gone. Most Jesuit colleges I know of are. I’m at another school in DC, and we joke about Georgetown being barely Catholic, because they’re really not. Parents would be better off sending their children to secular schools with thriving Catholic ministries than sending them to many of the nominally Catholic schools that flaunt their status and flaut the Church. As for Michael Moore, sometimes I think his heart could be in the right place, and then he opens his mouth.

Next time, don’t go.  Don’t comment on him(moore), don’t do anything that will give him any extra publicity.  Even negative publicity helps him.  Don’t give him any.

You’ve been fooled by a satire piece.  This never happened.  It was “reported” here, “Weekly World News’:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/38966/michael-moore-jesus-was-gay/

Look at the other articles.  Notice anything strange about them?  It’s a journal of satire.

I join the author in a collective yawn when it comes to Michael Moore. I also agree that the real issue here is the sorry state of universities that were begun by the Catholic Church, which continue to operate under the facade of being Cathoic, yet celebrate decidedly anti-Catholic behavior in the university’s name.

It was ok to intimate that Jesus was gay because it was a joke? Would Georgetown be equally supportive of a speaker who told racist, sexist or homophobic jokes? Was the covering of the crucifix which hung behind Barack Obama a joke? Christ died to save the world. Too bad Georgetown won’t paddle against the currents of academic elitism to defend Him.

Georgetown Jesuits with their Muslim mats in the church, I wouldn’t be surprised it they let this fiend to mock the Son of God.  These lazy, pampered, self-indulged, self-absorbed bachelors should get real jobs in the world and maybe, just maybe they will know what it is to follow Jesus.

Michael Moore is not worth listening to..

Matt,

You find social justice, providing healthcare, and antiwar actions uninteresting?  You found him “enough” interesting to write this article.

Did Michael Moore give his enlightenment for free at Georgetown? No you say? That should have given the first clue to his diatribe about capitalism. Don’t do as I do,just as I say, are words that aptly apply to the Michael Moore phenomenon. As the late PT Barnum used to say, “There’s a fool born every moment”...or words to that effect. He would be astonished today to see that they all either teach or matriculate at Georgetown University. When are the good Bishops going to pull the plug at these so-called Catholic institutions? Until they start to act boldly and truthfully how can we be expected to take them seriously! What’s wrong with the Church today lies directly on their doorstep(s).

All right, Matt, you claim to be a Catholic in good standing, and you claim to accept all of the Church’s teachings, why don’t you ever talk about social justice?  If Michael Moore isn’t your idea of a spokesman for social justice, then who is?

Most Jesuit Collages are becoming cess-pools.  I don’t know where Dutchman is coming from. Where I am we don’t spend time talking about “social justice” we just practice it. G-Mom

A lot of our Christian   Universities are nothing more than symbolism over substance. Do not rely anymore on seeing that   your children   get a Christian education at   our Christian places of higher learning. A lot of them want to strip   your child’s faith away. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. Save   your money   and save   your kids soul too!  Stay away! Bob Rogers

I am afraid that the schools will prove the very gates of hell, unless they diligently labor in explaining the Holy Scriptures and engraving them in the heart of the youth.
Martin Luther

Moore is an financial genius! He’s getting rich off of useful idiots.

Justice needs no modifier.
The poor already receive free healthcare.
The anti-war Obama is unconstitutionally attacking a sovereign nation.
Crickets are chirping.

It’s pure hypocrisy for Georgetown to have Moore talking about social justice and yet have had the personification of social INjustice (Obama) speak there. SOCIAL JUSTICE STARTS WITH LIFE - IN THE WOMB.

Social Justice IS to be Provided by THE CHURCH, not the Government.  It is our duty as Christians to take care of others, but to then make the leap that giving our money to a Government that is IMMORAL in SO MANY ways from abortion, to war, and say they are the best way to handle social justice is just flat wrong.  It is the church’s job.  We did it for many many years before we mixed our money with Federal money & then it became tainted with Politics. Catholic Hospitals & Universities should stay as far away from the tainted immoral money of the Federal Government.  Georgetown ceased to be Catholic when they removed the crosses in their classrooms in the 80’s for fear of offending non-Catholics.  It is they who are the joke.

This is so sad. I hope and pray that this university rediscovers its Catholic roots.

When I think about michael moore (which is not hardly ever), I feel very sad for him.  He really needs a lot of prayer.  I don’t care if one thinks he is only joking you don’t joke about JESUS. He is going where angles fear to tread.  He is such a idiot.

To all those that defend Moore’s “joke”: Blasphemy is still blasphemy ( aka SIN ) even if “said in jest”.

It would be nice if “political lefty’s” would take their “outrage” toward the Truth and transform the same “zeal” to be on the side of Truth. Remember “half-truths” are still lies and come from the father of lies.  Do the math.

So Moore has his lesser moments. Don’t we all. As for him being uninteresting, boring, insignificant enough to bother getting worked up over; apparently there’s enough of the opposite in Moore for Matt to take interest in besides a bad joke told on a Catholic campus. (Hell, I heard worse said in my Catholic college dorms long before Moore became popular.)
  I think Moore holds far more of Matt’s and other conservative Catholics’ interest ... and far more of it than they care to admit. Perhaps because Moore is more often accurate in his honest portrayals of a constant BETRAYAL of the American workforce by once thought to be quintessential American companies and industries; beginning with General Motors. Who can forget Moore’s encounter with Roger Wilson when the movie producer finally caught up with the then-GM boss of bossses.
  I just can’t wait till Moore takes on Koch Industries, and I’m sure that day’s a long time overdue and coming.
  Hope that’ll be interesting enough for Matt, especially given the spiritual history of one of them, David, who converted to Catholicism. He must’ve received the conservative cafeteria catholic’s classes.
  Go get ‘em Michael. Go get ‘em ALL.
  It’s one thing to drop a few f-words and utter some awful jokes now and then. It’s another thing to pull what the supposedly “prolife” Koch brothers have pulled, according to the most recent Bloomberg business report (as of yesterday, in fact!) “Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales.”
  What’s worse and really worth getting your attention: a lousy Michael Moore joke, or the Kochlaughter at the American people while they seek to debase and dismantle its political-legal apparatus even more than it is presently.
  But Michael Moore raises the blood pressure. Now I’m laughing like hell as I’m finishing.

So Moore has his lesser moments. Don’t we all. As for him being uninteresting, boring, insignificant enough to bother getting worked up over; apparently there’s enough of the opposite in Moore for Matt to take interest in besides a bad joke told on a Catholic campus. (Hell, I heard worse said in my Catholic college dorms long before Moore became popular.)
  I think Moore holds far more of Matt’s and other conservative Catholics’ interest ... and far more of it than they care to admit. Perhaps because Moore is more often accurate in his honest portrayals of a constant BETRAYAL of the American workforce by once thought to be quintessential American companies and industries; beginning with General Motors. Who can forget Moore’s encounter with Roger Wilson when the movie producer finally caught up with the then-GM boss of bossses.
  I just can’t wait till Moore takes on Koch Industries, and I’m sure that day’s a long time overdue and coming.
  Go get ‘em Mike. Go get ‘em!

I feel that Micahel Moore has displayed someeyebrow raisngi nformation in his movies, such as the ones on the policical and business organized deciet and corruption of America’s medical coverage system and the troubles of bullying and violence in our high schools in Calibine. 

I find it ironic how people with say Jesus and his apostles were gay…Catholics are not the only ones that live celibrate in regards to their religous practices.  And why is it that people that astaine from sex are always questioned?  Why is it in general peoeple are so interested in who’s with who and what they do in the bedroom?  Sounds to me these secular idiots obviously must have boring sex lives and find the need to know about others gives them some sort of perverted satisfaction.

Michael Moore should stick with outing corruption and stay out of sexual-related and religous bashing content.  It’s doesn’t make him look bright at all.

Jesuit schools being the gates of hell? What is this? Universities that expose their students to only one kind of thinking are not schools, they are indoctrination camps. If you are afraid that your child will be dissuaded from God by open-minded debate, then their faith must have been very fragile to begin with, too fragile to be called anything except mindless obedience to their parents.

James, open minded debate is one thing, but I haven’t heard much going on from the “other side” of the debate. Georgetown, and others like it, have consistently and frequently paraded in members of one side of the debate to “open the minds of the students” at their universities, but interestingly haven’t paraded those in who would be more conservative and traditional in their beliefs. I’m thinking a good number of the students at Georgetown and the like would have their minds opened just as much by people with those stances.

Instead we get gay pride week without so much as one workshop/presentation on the love and mercy the Catholic Church offers those with same sex attractions. We get Michael Moore without a Scott Hahn, etc., etc., ad nauseum. As Matt points out in the article, we get a list of public faces who know well how to preach their distorted view of Catholicism without someone to tell how it really is.

Another great article Matt. Now let us pray for Moore and all the other so-called “catholics” that know nothing about their faith; as can be seen by some of these absurd comments above. What does God tell us about using our tongue for unholy things, such as distorting God’s Word, profanity, etc.? People, look it up, it’s all in His Book, called the Bible. As for Moore, how often does he tell the truth? Probably just as much as Obama, Gore, Kerry, etc.. NOT TOO OFTEN and only by accident. Where is the Bishop? Why isn’t he obedient to the Church and shut down this non-catholic “school”? Oh, by the way, to misuse the word “gay” in this manner is also a SIN as it is insulting to the people that have Gay in their names, so please, stop this hideous garbage.  +JMJ+

Jesus hung out with 12 guys and never married. Its as simple as that.

BTW he did say to love thy neighbor as thyself, and never said a single word against gay people.

I recall that scripture tells us Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ for selfish reasons and also because he thought more of the money they collected should have been spent on the poor.  While one cannot draw a straight line from Judas to MM, I must admit that the thought has crossed my mind.

Be that as it may, I was unimpressed with your criticism of Moore’s poor joke about Christ.  It is on a par with the one about Him being 30 years old and living at home with His mother as proof that he was Irish.  I’ve laughed at that, and so have a number of Irish priests I know.

There’s a lot about Moore that’s not my cup of tea, but one has to admit that he makes a point from time to time.  The rest of the package, though, befogs the point so one wearies of searching for it.

Soon enough, he’ll be gone, not even a footnote.

Concentrate on other much more destructive Catholics like Nancy Pelosi or Kathleen Sebelius, or Senators Mikulski, Kerry or dodd and their ilk.

I remember Michael Moore from way back when he had a TV show called TV Nation.  I thought he was a smart aleck and I was not impressed.  I’m still not.

Moore’s brand of “social justice” is Marxism, forced collective wealth redistribution (theft and slavery with state crats taking a hefty slice for themselves) instead of voluntary charity and gratitude of the recipient.

#1 - I’m shocked to learn that MM was raised a Catholic.  He certainly isn’t a Catholic presently.  So at least the Catholic-haters out there can’t throw him in the faces of us practicing Catholics out here!  #2 - Since when is Georgetown a Catholic institution??  Puhleeze!!!  We all know better.  They dumped Catholicism long ago.

I bet his comment had to do with the fact he is due to release a movie on Christmas, detailing how Jesus was really gay. He calls it his “Christmas present to the world”... Kinda makes me want to vomit… oh wait, it actually does make me want to.

One word:  B L A S P H E M Y!

How can one defend this as a “joke”?  And how long will Georgetown be allowed to keep the “Catholic” title?

Catholics do not forget the Ten commandments. Willful violation of the 2nd Commandment or any of the ten is a mortal sin. This is not a joke. Which side of the joke are you on?

I’m glad so many who have neither visited Georgetown nor studied there feel as if they know and can judge it so freely. Get the logs out of your own eyes, friends. I knew many holy Jesuit priests and Catholics during my (recent) time at Georgetown, and am Roman Catholic today because of my education there. There are many different gifts in the Church, and many different ways of reaching out to the world.  I thank God for Georgetown, a Catholic university.

No surprise here. I attended a “Theological Hour” sponsored by, who else but the Jesuits and the topic was “The Spirituality of the Homosexual male”. All the guest speaker did was to advocate militancy for the LGBT movement. I thought I would get an insight into the spiritual struggles they had, boy was I mistaken! During the Q/A I asked him if he knew what the magisterial teaching was concerning homosexuality and as with the Georgetown episode, he made fun of the word “Magisterium” to the delight of the audience who were mostly nuns, scholastics and seminarians. I could literally feel the heaviness of darkness in the room that it made my hair stand.

Why does it seem that Matt offended some people by his write-up? Let’s pretend one minute and replace the name of Jesus with the name of Mohammed and then let’s see if you people who say it’s no big deal really think it’s no big deal! It is only “a joke” when the tirade is against Christianity, but oh noooo don’t ever make the mistake of making gay, jewish, black or Muslim jokes. What hypocrites you people are, you call evil, good, exactly what our Blessed Lord warned us about.

@Mike “One word:  B L A S P H E M Y!” Blasphemy against the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Yes blasphemy. If the Son of God, Jesus Christ had any sin and was not a perfectly innocent man, Jesus Christ would have had to die for His own sins and could not have died for mankind, opened the gates of heaven and saved us. In His priestly prayer, Jesus Christ, praying to His Father in heaven said: “I HAVE ALL THOSE YOU HAVE GIVEN TO ME”. Jesus gave us to His Holy Mother, Mary, as He died on the cross, giving mankind a choice: to either accompany Him to hell through death or to remain in the heart of His Mother, Mary. Many persons in the Protestant church believe Mary is worshipped by Catholics. If Mary accepted one instance of worship from any man, she would have lost her virginity and been unfit to receive Jesus as her son. From the cross, Jesus called her “Mother” when Jesus gave His Mother to St. John. Therefore, Mary never accepted one instance of worship, always bringing any prayers and petitions to God, the Father and to His Son, Jesus Christ. As for man, he is free to accompany Jesus in hell through death or to remain in the heart of the Blessed Virgin. Jesus gives us freedom. The ingratitude of blasphemy exposes an invincible ignorance and contumaceous crime against an innocent Man, the perpetrator of which bears false witness and is shouting “Crucify Him”.

The response to Mr. Moore at Georgetown is a very different response from the one given there to a talk that Cardinal Arinze gave a few years ago. You would have to be naive to conclude that this difference in response does not send a strong message about the culture that characterizes Georgetown.

I went to visit Georgetown last spring with my daughter who is college shopping and the student tour guide that took us around all but apologized for being Catholic.

Is being christian or catholic, some sort of mental disorder?

I think the true blasphemers are those who claim to know the mind of God, and say for example that God told me to go to war in Iraq.  Or that we should kill unbelievers.

Very, very interesting that another website reported even more scandalous statements by Michael Moore at this same presentation at Georgetown University.  Moore said he is working on another documentary currently entitled “Jesus was gay”. After he said “You know those 12 men Jesus was always hanging out with?” Moore went on to say that it was not a joke and that he has done extensive documentary research. Moore also said his “Jesus Was Gay” documentary will be out in time for Christmas this year.  “It’s my gift to Christians.” Moore said. -NOW THAT IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT!  IT IS ALSO HERETICAL AND ABOMINABLE! LET US PRAY AND DO PENANCE. See: http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/38966/michael-moore-jesus-was-gay/

Isn’t it a shame that people can go around and spread hate, prejudice and bigotry about Christains and Catholics, yet you say something about people of other faith (like jews, quanza, etc.) and the librals are all up in arms!

Prejudice is a two way street you athiests and librals! 

“The ones who cry prejudice are usally the most ignorant ones of all!”

Michael Moore—like all of us sinners—is a mixed bag.  The joke reported here was blasphemous and inappropriate. 

Nevertheless, and despite his sometimes unhelpfully statist views on how best to help them, Mr. Moore deserves praise for being a zealous advocate for God’s poor, and against our society’s sinful refusal to care for its “widows and orphans,” a sin that “cries out to Heaven. However, were Mr. Moore to leaven his almost-prophetic critique of capitalism with the richness of Catholic Social Teaching, the witness of Dorothy Day, or the wisdom of Distributism, he would be more helpful to them and to our nation than with his knee-jerk promotion of French and Cuban statisms.

Similarly, although his 9/11 conspiracy-mongering is a libelous distraction, his critiques of Caesar’s warmongering in Iraq place him (on that issue) on the side of Just War theory and Pope Benedict XVI.

Sinner that I am, I prefer to focus on the “semina verbi” in Moore’s critiques of greed and violence rather than on his imprudent statism and his loyalty to the libertine side in the ever-more-wearisome kulturkampf.

As for Georgetown, its secularism, like that of the Jesuit Order, is not a cause but a symptom of the take-over of Catholic hearts and minds by the lustful ethos of the 1960’s (most Catholics contracept), just as those Catholics outside Georgetown who ignore Catholic Social Teaching have often had their hearts and minds captured by the Randian greed of the 1980’s.  As Chesterton wrote in “Orthodoxy,” the Church is ever balanced delicately, like a wooden wheel rolling through flames, between such heresies on either side.  We must put on the mind of Christ, where there is neither lust nor greed.  When we do this, by His grace we may be able to build up a truly Catholic counterculture to the secular lust of the left and the secular greed of the right.  When, by God’s grace, we have built up a vibrant, immersive counterculture that stands as a “sign of contradiction,” then the groves of academe and the skyscrapers of the money changers will be changed as a matter of course.  First build up the Church, and the pagan empire will collapse of itself.  The gates of Hell will not prevail against us:  let us begin with ourselves, and our own sins.

Pax Christi,
Irenist

It’s a response to a fake article, Fake! You know made up, not real.

What I don’t get is why would anyone be interested in anything this nut-case, Michael Moore , has to say.  If he had make fun of any other faith’s prophet or leader, he would have a price on his head.  He knows
the one that he can freely make fun of so he does.  Jesus still loves you, Michael, and hopes that you will repent before you die.  If not, then enjoy the fires of Hell for eternity.

Irenist,
I couldn’t agree with you more!  While I agree that some of what Michael Moore said was offensive, to just discount everything he’s ever said (he’s sooo boring!) and jump on the Conservative/Republican vs Liberal bandwagon just isn’t helpful to the conversation.  It’s true that he likes to be controversial and he enjoys histrionics, but I really do think that his heart is in the right place and he is concerned for the little guy.  I think your argument would be much stronger - and appealing to those who lean to the left of the political spectrum - if you gave him a little credit for those of his stances which are not at odds with Catholic teaching (such as his critique of greed and violence, as Irenist mentions).
As a Catholic who strives to be faithful to what Holy Mother Church teaches, writings such as yours which are so obviously ideologically slanted towards American Conservative politics totally turn me off.  Shouldn’t we rise above the fruitless ever present liberal/conservative debate and let our rich Catholic heritage be a leaven in modern society?

Way to respond to what’s basically an Onion article. Trolled.

Moore’s “joke” about Jesus was not only out of line but blasphemous.  Those who laughed along with him, showed they approval and therefore “consented” to Moore’s observation and in “partaking” by approval (laughter).  And those here who defended Moore committed the sin of the “defense of the evil done.”  I have just shown you three of the nine ways of being an accessory to another’s sin (Moore’s).  No matter who you are, Christ is not within bounds of being joked about.

If I had not said something here, and kept “silent,” I would have been an accessory to Moore’s sin.  So the reason for this comment.

The Jesuits in the USA have abandoned their mandate to teach truth, and live lives of humility, following in St. Ignatius’ footsteps, many years ago. The sad reality is that thousands of Catholic parents continue to send their children to Jesuit-run schools, which are Catholic in name only. Perhaps because they themselves were never taught the Faith in its entirety, beauty, and truth? There are more than a dozen faithrully Catholic colleges in this nation, and they deserve the support of everyone who is looking for the TRUTH for their college-age children. And yes, this does not border on blasphemy, it IS blasphemy. And when are we going to stop going along with all the fallen-away Catholics who still call themselves Catholic but continue to bash the Church, the clergy, the 10 Commandments, etc? I would say Moore is a CINOP-“Catholic in name only person.” Time to call a “spade a spade.”  Like all of us, he needs to be converted. Maybe he should start with making the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius?

Moore is a paid liar and professional propagandist. Nothing more (perhaps I should say a big FAT MOORE), nothing less (but most likely fat MOORE. I suggest we say the Divine Prasies to counter his profane language and then have a really good laugh by watching the 2008 film An American Carol.  I suggest all serious Catholics watch the film and discuss its themes.  And have a good laugh.

How unfortunate that this was allowed.  His free speech is protected but he should not be encouraged or promoted, especially by supposed Catholics. Moore equates to the class clown, giving him attention encourages his bad behavior.

Mr. Michel Moore- may God help you because God is not Mocked.
1. The man who built the titanic-when interviewed said”“Not even God can sink this ship”“
2. Marylin Monroe, when Billy Graham visited her, she said”“I dont need your Jesus”” A week later she was found dead.
3. Bon Scott-vocalist of AC/DC sang:”“Dont stop me Im going all the way down to hell”“-He was found dead , choked by his own vomit.
4. In Campinas,Brazil: Friends coming to pick up a girl on way to a party.
Girls mother said ““God be with you”” Drugged girl said ““Only if God Travels in the trunk of the Car. A fatal accident-car was a complete wreck
and UNRECOGNIZABLE as to the type of car it was except for the trunk, it was
INTACT and opening it they found a crate of eggs-none was broken!
4. John Lennon: On an interview.”” Jesus is OK but His subjects were too simple, today WE ARE MORE FAMOUS THAN HIM”” After saying that he was shot 6 times.
etc,etc. sorry just simply too long for those many famous o
people who mocked God for this comment space.

@Honestly: On what grounds do you call Moore a liar and who is he a “paid liar” for? Specifics please? And I want REAL LIES, not merely contradictory talking points, especially if they’ve come out of Heritage or Fox.

Mr. Moore claims to be Catholic, and I can guess he was baptized as an infant.  He claims he was raised Catholic and, while I have no way to refute his claim, it is easy to surmise there was a shallowness to his faith life.

However, from his past statements, actions and productions it would be fairly easy to conjecture that what he believes in and adores is Michael Moore, and thus belongs to the “Church of Moore” and could very conveniently be labeled a “Moore-on”.

“Moore, a Catholic,...” Excuse me?

Michael Moore is an utterly disgusting human being.  Sorry, I know that’s uncharitable but he is so sleazy and dishonest and manipulative. He condemns capitalism while raping the system for all it’s worth. He laughs when a reporter asks him an honest and relevant question - he looks and acts and sounds like a loser so why do people even care what he things. But for a Catholic University to let him get away with spouting his obscene garbage says much about why our culture is such a mess and why Catholics seem confused.  He always looks like he needs a bath…I wonder if any of the Georgetown staff repudiated what Moore said.  Moore is probably gay himself which is why he wishes that Jesus and the Apostles were gay…Moore is one sick, disturbed human being…

How arrogant you are when you declare, “Moore is uninteresting to me. I don’t believe what he puts in his movies and I certainly don’t care about what he has to say.” Well, I guess that says it all. Why don’t you open up your closed mind and read his latest book, “Here Comes Trouble” and see how his Catholic roots have informed his social activism? You might learn something. You even allow people to respond and cast aspersions on his character. Not cool. By the way, you should see Fahreneit 911 now. You’ll see more clearly through different lenses now that the truth has been exposed and shows what the bush administration really did.

Thank God, Mr. Moore doesn’t live in the era of the Angelic Doctor to be burned for blasphemy.. ,(ˆ?ˆ)?
He broke the FIRST command from the 10 Commandments… ??????... (¬?¬?)?

@Steven http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=899
@Gregory Carnevale, Moore is as Catholic as Pelosi need I say MOORE?
@Michael Heister, @Dutchman @Irenist, Moore has done nothing for the poor and never will. Think of all the starving children the fat slob could have fed but instead chose to greedly stuff his obese face.

Sadly, Mr. Moore is a craz-a-holic… A man without God what make the people freak with smile without hapiness…

For all you folks claiming Michael Moore isn’t a Catholic, I have one question, followed by a suggestion:
  WHO THE HELL GAVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO JUDGE MR. MOORE?
  Go dust off your New Testaments, especially the part where Jesus warned us against judging others.

@Steven

Our LORD warned us to beware of flase prophets and wolves in sheep’s clothing.  And of course big fat ugly liars that profane Our LORD’s holy name.  I don’t know who have you the authority to decide what makes a person Catholic but even you must admit that gluttons that inslut our LORD ain’t Catholic.

@Steven, we are also warned to admonish the sinner.  Even to the point of going to him, telling him he is wrong in what he is doing and if he doesn’t listen then bring others in to it to try to get him to stop.  We are also instructed to recognize evil and fly from it and make it known for what it is.  From what Michael Moore said in his speech, “just for jollies” or whatever, he was in jest, blaspheming Jesus and His apostles, in his dirty little joke. How many of these little character assassinations do we as faithful Catholics have to endure and are told to shut up about? No way.

@ciao: Nobody said you had to “endure” and “shut up.” Just lay off the judging part. That’s God’s job to decide who’s a real Catholic or not.
@Hey Steven, I didn’t take that authority…I just questioned where you and other like minded folks claimed your supposed authority to judge Michael Moore’s Catholicicity.

To Joseph et alia who write defending directly and indirectly the bloviating Mr. Moore and his banal gay blasphemies with the the now very old and disingeneous shtick of so called “social justice, providing healthcare, and antiwar actions”.
All one can say is to point out that the classic Biblical reference to what Mr. Moore and his ilk represents in the way of “Social Justice” was Judas who was enraged that a costly container of perfume was wasted on Our Lord and Savior when it could have been sold and the money spent on the poor. Well as we all know Judas was taking his big “cut” from the common purse so that very little was going to the poor. Geez sounds just like every bogus liberal on the hill who when you follow the dollar are ALWAYS first in line for the “social justice” dollars.
Maybe as a kindness to our Lord Georgetown SHOULD “symbolically” cover the IHS and the remaining Crosses at Georgetown so that in a fig leaf kind of way anyway Our Lord is not mocked to His Face. Sorry can’t write anymore contemplating how far Georgetown has fallen ... I don’t know about the rest of you but I need a drink.

Seriously people, It’s a made up story. If you want to get this mad at something how about you take the time to find out if it’s real or not,  He never said this stuff, a website made a joke and you take it as pure fact without even lifting a finger to find out the real story behind it. You don’t have to like him, but you should be ashamed of yourselves, for the way your treating a fellow human being, name calling and death wishes on some sites. He didn’t even do anything this time, some comedic writer did. Go pray to your god and hope he forgives you.

You’re wrong. There is a satire piece that was likely built on top of the actual news but several news organizations have published this story.

Sorry, not offended. People badly need to read other mediaeval literature than the Saints they claim to be so fond of, because satire of the Church and its beliefs is well-represented in the Middle Ages - among Catholics.
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People who get het up at the very idea of a gay Jesus merely reveal their discomfort with sexuality and their confusion of the fleshliness of the Incarnation with angelism. The real blasphemy and obscenity is the Incarnation (even though not from a Christian POV) because it combines ideas no OT Jew would dreamed of putting together. Christian Faith in Christ is a treasury of blasphemy and obscenity from a Jewish POV. A hint of a Catholic joke about a gay Jesus is by comparison not even on the radar.
If St. Paul can get away with saying, as he does, that “[God] made.. [Jesus] to be sin”, a comparative nobody like Michael Moore ought to be allowed to get away with calling Him something far less offensive. Apparently the most appalling blasphemy (as it would be, from a first-century Jewish POV) is fine and dandy, as long as one is an Apostle - another rule applies to the rest of us. Now that is relativism,in all its glory. LOL ROFL

Posted by Lisa on Monday, Oct 3, 2011 11:14 AM (EDT):
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Moore is an financial genius! He’s getting rich off of useful idiots.
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Justice needs no modifier.
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## THe description “social” is necessary because justice is of many kinds - in no particular order:
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Divine
human
commutative
reparative
restorative
retributive AKA vindictive
eternal
temporal
national
international
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- and so on. One could argue that to speak of “social justice” is a pleonasm, since justice is on the face of it social by nature; this would be more nearly apply to the understanding of justice on an Aristotelian model, but is not really applicable to what the OT calls *tsedaqah*, the “righteousness” of many English Bibles. Even NT *dikaiosune* is not the same as what in Latin is called *justitia*. *Tsedaqah* contains a much wider variety of meanings & nuances that *justitia*. Latin is too abstract & impersonal to be a really good vessel of the Hebrew meanings.
A further and immensely important detail about “social justice” is that it is central to the very character of the Kingship/Kingdom of God. The K of G is a kingdom of justice (or better, righteousness) and peace, IOW of *tsedaqah* & *shalom*. A K of G without these, or opposed to them is not the K of G. That Jesus brings in this Kingdom/Kingship, and preaches it, and personifies it, is absolutely basic to the meaning of the Gospels (see Mark 1.15; 4.11-12, and Isaiah 6, for starters). The *tsedaqah* of this Kingdom/Kingship includes the promotion of righteousness/justice - see the Royal Psalms 72 & 101 for some of the details of what a righteous king was meant to do. If the Church, which is a seed of the Kingdom/Kingship of God, denies the values of Jesus its King Who reigns as the Representative of His Father, it is setting itself up to be just another “kingdom of this world” (Matthew 4; Luke 4; John 18.36; Rev. 11.15), and as such it will be destroyed. So it ignores social justice at its peril.

I couldn’t help but chuckle at the hypocrisy of this post/article and certain of the generated comments… the reich wing crony capitalistic nabob slant on reality vs. the left wing pagan perspective.  Both camps claim the mantle of truth and they both profit off the ill informed, gullible and stupid. The nationalist fascists plunder, murder, steal, lie, and profane our Lord and his Holy Church while carrying a crucifix dressed in the American flag… and the lefties claim to be the intellectual and reasoned humane response to injustice yet facilitate the murder of the living, the unborn and green flag the brute animal licentiousness of their hetero and homo constituency.  Both camps are FOS and boring.

Posted by Steven on Wednesday, Oct 5, 2011 6:08 PM (EDT):
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For all you folks claiming Michael Moore isn’t a Catholic, I have one question, followed by a suggestion:
  WHO THE HELL GAVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO JUDGE MR. MOORE?
  Go dust off your New Testaments, especially the part where Jesus warned us against judging others.
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## Thank God for some sanity.

The hard thing about being an adult is NOT choosing obvious good over obvious evil.  That is SUPPOSE to be the easy part… Using your paycheck to buy your child food instead of buying crack, or paying the mortgage on your families home instead of putting your money into the g-string of some stripper… These were not suppose to be the “HARD CHOICES”.. What makes adulthood difficult is that sometimes two points of view that you have defended in the past, now want you to choose sides against each other.  The freedoms afforded you by this country are important and most certainly worth fighting for…but… My faith in God has to trump that.  If you insist that I choose, I choose God over my right as an American to be a bloated disrespectful smartass.  Micheal Moore obviously went a different way… as is his right.. I feel sorry for him.  But he only exists because other “adults” haven’t really searched their own hearts and done the hard work of deciding where they want to stand.  If more people were demanding of themselves with regard to where they prioritize the “goods” .. They may realize that while having the right to be irreverent is nice, and the right to laugh at irreverence is nice…. There may be things that they would place higher on that list. Not things that I demand them to place a higher value on… Things that are more important to THEM.  People like Moore only have an audience because of our laziness, our weakness, our unwillingness to choose what really matters to us.  Once we do that… Suddenly it’s time to go home, and leave this sad little man to spew his hate to the empty room.

Micheal Moore IS Micheal Moore. period

Hey, cool it with the “FAT” comments.  Some of your fellow commenters belong to the Large Nation.  Just because someone is generously proportioned is no reason to jeer or insult.  St. Thomas Aquinas, to whom some of you have referred, was living large.  It did not keep him from receiving God’s favor.  Mr. Moore’s dimensions merely give God more to redeem.  And that’s a good thing!

Everyone needs to quit complaining about the"Judging”. If someone publicly does something evil I can and should speak out and condemn the action. Judging is saying the person is going to hell which is NOT what we are saying. All we are saying is that an action is EVIL. Blasphemy is EVIL. THis is not judging this is stating a fact. It is also defending our Faith against those who would tear it down. We should always strongly defend God, Faith, Truth etc against evil. We should do it loudly and firmly and not back down. It is one thing to be meek when one insults us personally but to insult God—we should not tolerate this in our presence!!!

@Sam. It’s one thing to judge what somebody says and call it out in a respectable manner. It’s another thing to judge the quality of the faith of the person you’re offended by. That’s where I believe God comes into the picture and takes over on that score. But you’re right when it comes to specific instances of an actual or perceived wrongdoing you or anybody else has a grieviance with. That’s what I was trying to get across.

Yes it is true we cannot judge the heart. But for a Catholic to stand up and speak blasphemy is horrible. It is even worse that no one at the Catholic University where he was speaking stodd up to protest and defenc the Truth. We are always free to say that an act is objectively evil.

For a number of years in the late 90’s and early 21st century the play “The Vagina Monologues” was performed at Notre Dame. Ash Wednesday, the beginning of the Holy season of Lent, is one of the 2 most solemn days of the year on the Catholic calendar. I don’t remember the exact year - I think it was between 10 and 12 years ago - but opening night that year for the play was in Washington Hall on the campus of Notre Dame on Ash Wednesday. Some friends and I decided to protest this by going to Mass at the Basilica and passing out small (3x5) cards stating our unhappiness at this in the pews before Mass.
After we put them in the pews we were (politely) told that we couldn’t do it. We went to see a few school officials and were (politely) told that it was a matter of, among other things, a matter of “academic freedom.”
In my opinion Notre Dame, Georgetown, Boston College, Gonzaga and a number of other ‘Catholic’ universities deserve a category of their own - CINO - Catholic In Name Only.

I discussed the issue of “some” older priests teaching heretical things with my pastor. He had a good insight. “They’re dying and not being replaced.. younger priests are faithful to the Magisterium; to Christ.”

Hang in there. “Eternity will be here sooner than any of us think.”

To Michael Heister.
When one makes films full of lies, they are uninteresting.
So, if one is a self professed follower of Jesus you can’t disagree with another person’s skewed view on economics.  Now that is interesting.

He is NOT making a mountain out a molehill.
At a Catholic institution, Mr. Moore suggested that
the founder of Catholicism was Gay. He made a joke with
Jesus as the butt of it.

Suppose that Herman Cain was speaking to the NAACP, and he suggested
that Dr. Martin Luther King really believe in salvery but wanted white
people to be the slaves?

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Suppose Ellen DeGeneres was guest speaker at a GLAD banquet and she told a gay joke that started “Two gay guys walk into a bar…”

Would we EXPECT some shouted disapproving comments? YES, yes we would…

If an Mr. Moore had been speaking in front of the Muslim American Society, do you think he would have the temrity to use Muhammad as the but of a joke? No, he probably would be respectful out of fear for his life.

Mr. Moore may self-identify as Catholic;however, a ass is still an ass even when it says its a lion. If Mr. Moore wants to show that he is a Catholic then he will need to be respectful of his Lord and his God through his words and actions.

Michael Moore is so disgusting that I suspect him of being an ultra-conservative posing as a liberal to make liberals look bad.

But the headline says “Michael Moore Jokes About Jesus Being Gay At Georgetown” and that over-states the case. 

He could have said “You ever notice that Jesus was always talking to women and I’m not talking about his mother at all.  There was that woman who he saved from being stoned, the woman at the well, Mary Magdalene, Mary and her sister Martha.”

Same sort of statement, inviting you to link Jesus to women while his actual comment invited you to link him to men.  But your mind has to make it a sexual link in either case.  In both cases, we we Catholics would, or should, just think it’s a stupid comment because Jesus was without sin, therefore He was chaste.

Moore could have made the bit about him hanging out with the men into a pretty good joke if he’d said, “Do you think he was organizing a football team?”

Or he could have told a really and truly offensive joke about Jesus.  I’m glad he didn’t.  There’s always hope for people.  Let’s all pray for Michael Moore to return to the Church.

Difference between conservatives (ex. Catholics) and Librals (ex. Michael Moore):
Conservatives usually will back up their beliefs with facts and do not insult others.
Librals cannot back up their beliefs with facts, they just spew fabricated heresay they lobtain from the media.  IF you don’t agree with them, they lash out and insult others that do not agree with their opinions. 

‘Nuff said.

As a non-entity, Michael Moore’s behavior means nothing.  I never considered anything about Jesus’ sex life.  Moore is a sick person full of hate.  I put him in the same class as Tiger Woods. Not hearing anything about either of them would suit me fine.

Most of these types of incidents seem to divide people into two groups: people who think that there is absolute truths in   this world… Things that were true a thousand years ago, were true when your grandparents taught them to your parents, & will be true long after you are gone.  The other group believes everything is a matter of opinion, that everything is debatable… That now that they are on the scene and “running things”, that any rule or belief that was in effect when they got here is automatically up for review, revision, or repeal. I personally do not think it is my place or my job to force people towards my way of thinking… But I do believe that people need to look inside and decide where they stand.  This notion of “I don’t agree with what he’s saying, but if that’s what he wants to think, whatever..”... It just doesn’t fly anymore.  You may not be able to change what someone thinks, but you MUST let them know that you disagree, so they know just how many people are standing in opposition.  There are too many people out there like Moore, who say outrageous things, and bank on the silence of well meaning people who think, “it’s not my place”, or “he has a right to his opinion”, or worst of all, “I don’t want to be seen as judgmental”.  I don’t know what “judgemental” means, but WRONG IS WRONG and should be called out as such. All that evil needs to flourish…..
as they say…. C’MON PEOPLE!!!! Don’t sit quietly by on the side of righteousness… as if just being on the right side is enough…defend what’s right as loudly as it’s enemies attack it…  Let it be known where you stand…and let others know they’re not alone…

@Teddy: You were right about one thing and one thing only concerning your breakdown of the differences between liberals and conservatives. “Nuff said.” Your generalizations leave a lot to be desired and worked on.

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Posted by Steven on Tuesday, Oct 11, 2011 11:38 PM (EDT):@Teddy: You were right about one thing and one thing only concerning your breakdown of the differences between liberals and conservatives. “Nuff said.” Your generalizations leave a lot to be desired and worked on.”

Really? My opinion may be cut and dry, but it certainly reflects what occurs during such debates.

You got one thing right, it was a generalized posting, your point being?—With that said, there is not much more that needs to be worked on.  But what needs to be worked on is your vague commentary…

LINES DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DRAWN…HERE….THE PROBLEM WITH OUR SOCIETY IS THE TOTAL LACK OF RESPECT AND REVERENCE TO JESUS….IT IS SOOOOO DISHEARTENING…...WE TRULY NEED MOTHER MARY TO COME BACK DOWN ......BRING THIS AWFUL WORLD BACK TO JESUS…..WHAT MOORE SAID REGARDLESS IF IT WAS A JOKE…...SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAID…PERIOD

To Michael Heister.
Nor even by JOKING you may refer to our Dear Lord Jesus Christ as Moore - or else -  did. Jesus Christ is GOD. Maybe the brain of an ant would understand this, except you. Next time you and Moore will joke at their mothers.
Manuel Morales.

Who’s to say that Jesus was not in fact gay? Plenty of people have lied about their sexual orientation because they’re surrounded by intolerant people and maybe he’s one of them.

Is there something wrong with being gay?

Can’t be surprised when secularized politically Left Catholics show their disdain for an institution which they hold in embarrassed regard. Possibly really good therapt could lead them to an honest self-appraisal as to why they want to control what they obviously dislike.

Just an afterthought…SAmmy boy mentions Ellen DeG. starting a “gay” joke at GLAAD and being booed. Well, the bar keep looks up to see a rabbi, a priest and a preacher walk into the bar. An’ he says, “Hey! What is this? The start of a bad joke?”. C’mon y’all, give Ellen a lil’ slack!!

Yes there is something “wrong” with being gay.  According to the teachings of my church, it is disordered behavior. It is a depraved act that goes against God’s will with regards to the expression of sexual love.. This is what I believe and what many others also believe.  Now, on the other hand, I, along with those others who have chosen to live in this country, also have to accept that everyone in America is afforded certain rights. If one of those rights is to commit this particular act with a consenting partner, then so be it.  Another teaching of my church is to love others and treat everyone with the respect due a fellow human and child of God.  Yet another teaching of my church touches on the subject of not “judging” others, rather leaving the job of living their life to them.  I’m sure there are plenty of teachings in my church regarding the fair treatment of your fellow man in accordance with the civil laws under which you live. I don’t go around forcing people to listen to my beliefs, and I don’t in any way violate their right to live as they choose because I disagree with it…  BUT.. If i get a vote.. I vote no.  I realize that I’ll never get a vote, but that doesn’t take away my right to say, if I get a vote, I vote no… And if you ask me a question, I assume you want to hear an answer… And that’s my answer: yes, there is something wrong with being gay….

As far as “sofi” and her/his ridiculous post….. If you want to argue about the teachings of a particular religion… Do that… Point out the specific teaching you have issues with and state what those issues are.. And let the discussion go where it goes. Maybe you learn something you didn’t know, maybe you see that “issue” in a more positive light, or maybe you’ll give the others in the discussion something to think about. But don’t think that you can begin any constructive dialogue with someone by attacking the foundation of their entire belief system with careless, disrespectful speculations.  If you just want to fight… Then lets fight… But if you just want to fight, then you are as much a part of the problem as that piece of crap Moore is….

But I don’t understand what the “problem” is. And why am I the only one who would learn something I didn’t know? Isn’t there any possibility that you might learn something? I don’t want to pick a fight, what I want is for someone to explain to me how you can now for sure that he wasn’t in fact gay. And when you say “attacking the foundation of their entire belief system with careless, disrespectful speculations”, what exactly is it that you consider to be the foundation of your belief system? As I understand it the foundation of Christianity is love and respect, not heterosexuality. And while I’m asking questions, why is the focus always on sex? I’m not gay but I know that a homosexual relationship works in exactly the same way as a heterosexual one with sex being just a relatively small part of it. If you want to focus on something it should be love and companionship.

At the risk of even ever-so-slightly giving the vaguest degree of “approval” possible to Moore’s joke or the practice of taking pot shots at Jesus and the Apostles ... which I am NOT coming close to doing ... I do have one question for all those humorless I’m-More-Catholic-Than-Thou-Puritans ... do you really believe any joke could topple the Church and faith of billions? That doesn’t say much about your faith, save for the faith you have in your holier-thou arrogance and how you use it to justify condemning people you merely disagree with on this issue to hell’s waiting room. (Yes, I’m hoping you’re not so arrogant to believe even you can usurp the Almighty in that all important function.)
  God doesn’t outsource His responsibilities; and he sure as hell wouldn’t outsource this one that you’ve seemed to have taken on as your own specialtiy. At best rate anyway, you’d only rank as spiritual privateers.
  The Catholic Church has survived far greater threats than Michael Moore. But you folks don’t even look like you can handle a comedian. Imagine what peril the Church would’ve really been put through if Martin Luther had half the sense of humor Moore has. Like squirrels around a sniffing pooch, you would’ve been the first ones scurrying for shelter. But those whose faith is far stronger than what any comic or humorous commentator can dish out will be those, along with the oldest and strongest Church on our Godly created planet, last and laugh the loudest longest at the real Satan who wants to see us crumble at any offense.
  God’s laughter was heard on Easter Sunday morning and not even Michael Moore has had any intention of replacing God’s laughter at the Devil’s expense. After all, Michael Moore, is just as Catholic and Christian as any of us, be ye Puritans like it or not.

One of the frustrating things about public debate these days is the amount of time wasted having to “restate” your position after someone misquotes you, takes your statements out of context, or makes assumptions about you that aren’t supported by anything you’ve said.  But, I guess that’s life, so here we go..: In my post to “sofi”, I said “maybe you’d learn something, maybe you’d see your “issue” in a more positive light, or maybe you’d give the others in the discussion SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT”.. as in they would learn something from you.  So your point is a good one, except that I already made it.  As far as your attack on the foundation of my (& many other’s) belief system… I think it was OBVIOUS that JESUS is the foundation that I was referring to.. I doubt anyone else would think I was seriously calling heterosexuality the foundation of Christianity.  Another important part of my belief system is the idea of living as my God would wish me to… So that means rules… I know some people are instantly offended at the idea that you would HAVE to live a certain way, but many of us do believe in “right & wrong” in the eyes of our Lord.  One of the “rules” refers to the sexual expression of love and it’s place in your life.  Homosexual relations according to my beliefs is a disordered behavior and a depraved act.  I don’t insist that others believe that, so I will not be told by others that I can’t believe that.  Anyway, that being the case, I can’t believe that it is such a mystery to you why your wondering aloud whether or not the central figure in my faith may have committed one of the most “wrong” acts IN that faith would cause a hostile reaction??
Now, I will say this, you seem sincere in your attempts to discuss these issues.. Micheal Moore on the other hand, is not.. He says things that he knows are offensive and hurtful to certain people simply because he doesn’t like those people. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about homosexuals, or for that matter, anyone else he supposedly stands up for.  It’s his bloated sense of self importance, and of course, that it makes him money.. So saying that you were as much a part of the problem as Moore may have been over the top…

Something that really annoys me about situations like this.  Why can’t someone who is sympathetic to the issues homosexuals have to deal with… STILL be able to admit that Michael Moore is a piece of crap?  I consider myself a Christian. But, remember the guy that wanted to burn the Koran, or the people who picket the soldier’s funerals with the “God hates fags” signs? They are supposedly speaking out on behalf of my faith, but there is NO WAY that anyone’s pinning those idiots opinions and/or actions on me.  YES, some people treat others horribly in the name of their faith. YES, the people running Georgetown should have known what they were getting when they invited Moore to speak. YES, the people in the audience should not have laughed, but they did, and that’s on them. YES, the Catholic Church will NOT fold up and collapse in the wake of his speech..YES, this is America, and YES, there is some truth to the statement “it’s just a joke”.. But I don’t undersand why people are so afraid to say that wrong is wrong.  Why do we have to play all the debate team games, arguing ourselves silly, when the truth is that Michael Moore & people like him don’t care about ANYTHING… except themselves..  Pointing that out doesn’t weaken your stance on the “larger” issues.  It just cuts out all the wasted time spent defending the indefensible…. so real issues that have real meaning to real people can be discussed and maybe even, occasionally, resolved…. Boy, that would really piss Michael Moore off wouldn’t it?

wow. And I thought I had a issue with run-on sentences. Steven, my man, you are the king.  Anyway, I mostly agree with you on the “let God do the judging & they’ll get theirs in the end” point..but it is still interesting to me that Christians are one of the few groups that, when attacked by obviously “wrong” nonsense, is not only left on it’s on to defend itself, but the “left”, for lack of a better label, actually seems to require Christians to go through the motions of disproving obvious nonsense.  It seems to me, and was I think noted earlier by others, that disrespectful & offensive “joking” about Martin Luther King at a NAACP gathering, or Anti-Semitic joles in front of a Jewish organization, or the EXACT same joke about Muhammad in front of a Muslim Organization would have been treated a hell of a lot more seriously by the mainstream left-leaning media.  They would have crucified him…assuming he lived through the end of his speech about Muhammad.  Yeah, some people are “holier-than-thou”.. but that doesn’t mean Micheal Moore isn’t a piece of crap… And just once I’d like EVERYONE, on ALL sides of an issue, to dismiss the piece of crap immediately, then get on to the more important issues of resolving our differences.

@grrnal:  CONGRATS ... YOU MADE EXCELLENT POINTS, and ... Uh oh, my trademark grammatical sin’s been exposed! Just think, I was modestly seeking to become the prime minister of run-ons! Thank you for the promotion. It has all the rank and none of the headaches. LOL! After all, the PM has to listen to run-on questions and beefs for hours on end. Gotta remember,SVO, subject, verb, object, and certainly, K.I.S.S!
  !Not being a Brit or a complete fan of parliamentary gov’t, I’ll gladly stick with ours and hope that we never, EVER, experience another year again like the past in so many public and private venues where everything we say gets ripped apart piece by piece simply because of the way we look, who we support, or what differing shades of opinions we take about the core teachings of our faith or even our civic values ... leave us subject to public evisceration by today’s grand old pharisees and pc police.
  All sides have to lighten up. Or I’m gonna become a hedge-fund operator for blood pressure meds. LOL! That’ll bring Wall Street to a stop a lot faster than all those marches with one inadvertent push of the wrong button. Ohhhhhhhh Nohhhhhhhhhhh!

Not the meds I was thinking of… Again, wow.

@Grrnal: LOL! But I’ve got an idea, and I’m serious about pushing this one. Yes, we can joke about it bound to cause an expected spike of atenonol prescriptions written for top GOP brass, but that’s their problem, not ours.
  It’s time for the Occupy Wall Street to pull a fast repeat of General Grant’s continued flanking march on Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia in 1864. It was a hard slog, and Grant lost more battles than he won. But unlike previous Union generals who were licked, he kept the pressure on and almost on a 24/7 basis. Lee couldn’t afford this kind of attrition.
  Nor can the people nowadays afford the rising bile of so many unemployed workers who are just dying to work again, with or without a shovel in hand. They’ve been shovelled so much manure in the form of so many handwringing fiscal conservatives whining for more tax break goodies. And the unemployed know full well who’s going to be stuck with the tab for all those unfunded welfarist giveaways to the UNDESERVING NON-JOB CREATING PARASITES ON CAPITOL HILL.
  Wall Street’s learning I think so now it’s time to take the march directly to the real army of anti-economic justice and progress: The Republicans. Odd; when the Civil War was going full tilt in 1863, Lincoln got the Morrill Homestead Act passed which created so many public land grant universities, some of which became virtual research machines, i.e. Ohio and Michigan State among many others. That’s when Republicans could chew gum, walk at the same time and march on to eventual victory in a war to actually liberate a whole group of people who were formerly treated as property. Nowadays property is more sacrosanct with the Republcans than principle. (Ah, but their fiscal gurus and experts in Gerrymandering are working hard n’ fast to find a way to compound voting results in their favor whilst getting away with voter suppression tactics in poorer precincts.)
  It’s time for a REAL MARCH AND PERMANENT ENCAMPMENT ON WASHINGTON. No kidding.
  I’m nominating Michael Moore to be the Ike/Grant of this army. Additionally, I’m urging that it camp out right outside on every grassy knowl or shady park land closest to the Republican dominated House of Representatives. Best yet, occupy the street right outside the GOP national headquarters a block down that street from The House/Capitol Building.
  No rough stuff, no cussin’g, no threats, any of that stuff. Total “best behavior” M.O. Let them be the ones to call out DC’s finest and the Capitol Hill Gendarmes and answer to the nation for what happens afterwards.
  Here’s a good name for it in honor of the first true post-Revolutionary Era rebel, Daniel Shays, whose “ill-fated” attempt to seize the Springfield, MA armory nonetheless scared the bejeezus out of the elite of his time to call for a solid national constitution to protect everybody’s rights. Shays didn’t capture the armory, but his rebellion put an end to debtors’ prisons, and a host of other economic horrors that are far worse than what many of us face today. People actually died in those dank debtors’ dungeons and their families were sometimes incarcerated too. That stuff’s making a comeback (in Florida) and if we’re not careful, it’ll make a national comeback.
  After all, as a former guv of Shay’s Commonwealth patronizingly reminded a heckler at the Iowa State Fair last Summer, “Corporations are people, too, my friend.”
  So what if Big Pharma’s stocks spike for a while. If   occupying Capitol Hill to show Eric Cantor & Co., what a peaceable “mob” is really trying to accomplish, i.e., more jobs, an improved economy and the right to affordable health care to all citizens, the spike in Pharma stocks will be worth it. Who knows, maybe the “mob’s” presence might actually nudge Pharma into creating more jobs. That’s more than the House has “accomplished” lately.
  MARCH ON. Time to morph Occupy Wall Street into Occupy Capitol Hill with General Moore at the lead!

@Steven: Once again, wow.  Will take awhile to process that information, it having covered several centuries and all.  In the meantime, I’d be interested to hear your opinion of “barstool economics”.. that is, if you’ve heard of it.  No valid points in there?

“Barstool Economics ... ” Now there’s a wonderful contradiction, especially when I think back on ... why bother counting??? LOL how many bucks I wasted in my earlier days. One thing for sure, while interning at the NJC in DC, my favorite watering hole was the Tune Inn Lounge. Thirty-five cent drafts and a wild bohemian sorta cast of characters who also moonlighted as Congressional staffers. Sometimes a very brave, intrepid or reckless elected employee working on the Hill would stop by. But I don’t think any Republican kind of elected employee ever darkened the Tune Inn’s door. Nor any K-Streeter unless he or she was homesick for real human company, even just to nudge elbows and gripe about the greasy fries and sometimes sticky bar or same old Patsy Cline tunes arising from the “twofer” juke box. Back in 83 you could still get two songs for a quarter.
  As one got closer to the Capitol, especially on the House side, save for the fact that the House was under the Stewardship of Lord Tip O’Neil, there was the Darkside’s hangout, Bullfeathers. Okay, my first trip inside I thought that it being an PAChyderm’s watering hole, and the Elephantine party delights in its tightwad ways, who knows, maybe there’s a place offering drafts at even less than 35 cents.
  How damn dumb could I have been: those guys are tightwaddish for everybody else. But they had a min charge of four bucks a bottle for beer. That didn’t make any sense whatsoever till it dawned on me that they and their lobbyist pals in the beverages, likker and distributing industries could charge prices half-way to the moon and the locals and non-locals working and living around DC would still pay through their noses and not miss a bi… .  After all, who was really paying for the differential between the normal and reasonable price for beer down at the Tune Inn and the GOP hangout called Bulls,  oops, Feathers?
  An economics professor bearing more than a vague likeness of my own mug explained it to me while staring at a mirror in the Bullfeathers’ men’s room and asking myself, “What’s a half-intelligent guy like myself paying for the privilege of enabling the more privileged drunks remain more privileged?”
  Soon after…as measured in heartbeats…I exited out the back door to make a beeline to a far more civilized saloon catering to a far more sophisticated and enlightened crowd of people.
  One thing for sure, Bullfeathers then, and I’m sure now, isn’t any thng like the local do-drop-in place Johnny Boehner’s dad owned. Nor was its regular “client-ele” like Bullfeathers’ or other over-the-top GOP dives.
  Imagine, four bucks a bottle for beer when the Democrats’ staffers, who never forgot where they came from or the values and price limits of their bosses’ constituents were drinking 35 cent drafts. No wonder Tip ruled The House then while the high rollers drooled in their four buck beers.

@steven:  So, I’m guessing from that reinacted scene from “hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy”... that you’re not familiar with the concept…?

or maybe I’ve interrupted you in some barstool economics of your own….?

Well, even though I haven’t touched the stuff in years, my memory of the point where the “whiskey let me down” and my memory skeedaddled outta the allegorical) town that was once a fully working mass of brain cells congealed into grayish macararoni shaped organ between my ears was roughly between three and four beers. After that point I’d be looking up at whatever game was on the tube. Stairways to heaven? Uh uh, I “knew” my tab with the Barkeep Upstairs required a lot more years spent down here to pay that bill down.

ok…all rapid fire phrase-turning aside…. All the barstool economics guy was trying to say was, as tempting as it might be to look at the more successful-than-thou and say “hey, you have a lot of money, you need to share that with the rest of us”... that in and of itself will not fix the problem.  Because successful people usually didn’t get that way by accident, and if the enviroment is hostile towards you succeeding, maybe you set up shop in a friendlier place….  not sure how we got onto this subject…oh yeah, General Micheal Moore….  anyway, that last one was pretty deep… Barkeep Upstairs… I like that.

Moore was NOT joking.  Jesus WAS gay.  That’s what ancient codices say. That’s why so much of his life is missing from the Bible.  Look it up.