instrinsically evil

The list brought a smile. Good to know what the “buttons” are when entering into a conversation, so that one can get past emotions. Would be fun to create a list of substitute euphemisms for the phrases.

Covering your head

Rome has spoken
No altar girls
Humanae Vitae says

Catholic homeschool mom

Natural Family Planning

Male celibate priesthood; God as “Father”; “I watch EWTN…”; World Youth Day; So-called gay marriage; Creative Minority Report (had to throw that one in there!); “Go to confession!”; Sin is personal; Satan is real.

Latin Gregorian Chant
Mass in Latin
Celebrate Ad Orientem

1.  Abstinence outside of marriage
2.  Communion on the tongue
3.  Excommunication latae sententiae

Wow. These are brilliant. The downside of doing these kinds of posts is after reading the comments I feel very very stupid for not thinking of all these great responses.

Keep ‘em coming.

Read Summorum Pontificum

Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered.

don’t you know the church teaches…
been to confession lately?
the pope said….

1. Read Summorum Pontificum
2. Penance and sacrifice
3. Abstinence every Friday
4. Marriage is sacred

They’re all mine

Scott, As a father of five I can’t believe I didn’t think of that one. I’m asked at least three times a week if they’re all mine. Great one.

How has nobody come up with:

“Pope Benedict XVI”?!?!

Others:

Open to Life
Fr. Z said
Properly Formed Conscience
15 passenger van
Attend Daily Mass
National Catholic Register

Holy Mother Church

The Holy Father

(And here’s my favorite:)
Hell exists, chucklehead

Contraception is bad.
Life begins @ conception

“Where’s your habit?”
Celebrate real masculinity
Celebrate real femininity
Male-female complementarity
Women aren’t stronger (than men)

Some essential ones that torque LibCats *and* LibProts:

Jesus is Lord
Turn from sin
Resist the devil
You’re not God
Truth isn’t relative

Genuflect.
“Orate, fratres….”

“Vatican II actually says…” (if my tags fail here, italicize the “actually” if you can, for effect.)

The Road to Hell was built by Progressives.

Sarah L wrote:  “Where’s your habit?”

(LOL!)  I wish I’d have thought of that…

I’ll semi-plagiarize that for my first two?

“Where’s your collar?”
“No cassock(*), Father?”
“No rose vestments?”

(For more sophisticated hippie priests with longer memories, you could substitute “maniple” or “biretta”.)

...and a few slightly more original (though inferior to what’s on the list already) ones:

“Culture of Death”
“Logic works better.”
“St. Thomas Aquinas”
“Hermeneutic of Continuity” (supply dictionary, if needed)
“You’re Not Church.”

Progressives built Hell.

Here are a few more for your consideration:

The Bible says
Jesus tells us to…
Yes, there really are 10 Commandments
Mortal Sin and the requirement to confess those sins to a priest

“Got milk, dood?”
“No I don’t.”
“Well, get some.”
“In a minute.”
“Well, hurry up.”
“Quit rushin’ me.”
“I’m thirsty, dood!”

‘62 Missal

Hermeneutic of Continuity

Sung Latin Ordinary

It’s a Mantilla

“Progressive” isn’t Catholic

Nice cassock Father!

Our feminine genius
This traditional habit
Ignatius Press bestseller

The Church is not a democracy!

From a conversation this afternoon: ‘No Womyn Priests!’

faithfulness generates vocations
go to Confession
Mortal Sin, no Communion!

Mother Angelica
EWTN
Mother Teresa
Pope Benedict XVI
Saint Josemaría Escrivá
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Reverence at Mass

When is confession?
Meal AND Sacrifice
The Holy Father
For us men…
Good morning Father!
The Immaculate Conception

Non sum dignus

poverty
chastity
obedience

Jesus Is Lord.

Why can’t I?
Who said so!
That was then.
This is now.

Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz
Father Frank Pavone
Father Tom Euteneour
Pray the Rosary
Council of Trent
Hail Holy Queen
Act of Contrition

“Lumen Gentium says”
“Christus Dominus says”
“Sacrosactum Concilium says”

(you get the idea)

For a bonus that will REALLY send them going for torches and pitchforks:

“John XXIII ACTUALLY said”

(I consider “John XXIII” to be ‘one’ word, as it is his name)

Ratzinger is Pope
Sixties are over
Canon nine fifteen
Traditional Bishop Appointed…
Altar boys only
Animals aren’t people
Traditional orders flourish

Intrinsically evil act
That’s infallible doctrine
That’s definitive doctrine
Well formed conscience

Here’s a whole list for bad architecture:

That’s a church?
What’s a Worship Space?
What, no statues?
No kneelers either?
Where’s the Crucifix?
Where’s the Tabernacle?
Liturgical Consultant not needed.

the infallible magisterium
right and wrong
abortion is murder
The Catechism states…

...and my personal favorite: Marty Haugen sucks.

Who’s Dorothy Day?
Who’s Virgil Michel?
rosary during Mass
Benedictine Altar Arrangement
you’re not Jesus
neither am I
the Real Presence
turn towards God
pray ad orientem
Introit, not “gathering”
Ave Maria University
Traditional Latin Mass

“Habemus Papam ... Ratzinger!”

Communion on tongue
No guitar Mass
EEMs not necessary

Reform the reform
Giant puppets suck
ex opere operato (thank God!)

In persona Christi

Canon Law states. . .

Pope Benedict says. . .

Kneeingl for communion

For your penance. . .

Pray the Rosary

But Jesus said…
What’s you’re source?
It is written…(This one has proven to drive old red bottoms crazy)

Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration
Fr. John Corapi
Theology of [the] body
Condoms don’t work

maybe it could be an action?

“roll your eyes”

wait, that is theirs!

uhmm: Saint “X” said
    My parents said
    I think traditionally that….

Bless me Father
For I’ve Sinned

Father, Son (and) HS
It’s (the) Faith Stupid.
Catechism (of) Catholic Church
The Holy Father
Marriage is Forever
Christ the Bridegroom
Holy Mother Church
Confession then Communion
One Holy Catholic
Children are Gifts
Jesus Christ, Mercy
I’m a Sinner
Heaven, Hell, Judgement

God, Sex, (and) Marriage

Reform the reform

No giant puppets?

ex opere operato (thank God)

Blessed Virgin Mary
Poverty, Chastity, Obedience
Deus Lo Vult

The Church Suffering
The Church Militant

The Church Triumphant

“Obedience is Holy”
“BXVI is right”
“Holy Mother Church”

mea culpa,
mea culpa,
mea maxima culpa.

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
Dominus Jesus

and

“What Vatican II actually said.”  (oh, Dan beat me to it)

I like Dianne’s though, at 6:34/5

“The Holy Father”

Just in case you are still looking for more comments, check out your thread on FreeRepublic.com It’s up to 67 posts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2436861/posts

At the risk of duplicating other submissions (too lazy to check) here are a few more:

Gandhi wasn’t Christian.
Who’s Marty Haugen?
Womynpreests don’t exist.
Liturgical dancing prohibited.
No Clown Masses!
Pro-choice isn’t Catholic.

This one may just kill some people:

LA’s Cardinal Bruskewitz

RETIRED Bishop Gumbleton
In Latin, we say…
Sorry, I was changing my oil, I didn’t know you wanted to keep those felt banners…

Roma Locuta Est, Causa Finita Est

I have 6 kids and I would have more.
NFP
No altar girls or altar families
Where is that in the Catechism?
Jesus was a MAN

Ex Corde Ecclesiae
A Catholic university (not to be confused with a university in the “Jesuit tradition”)
One true Church
Wasn’t Curran excommunicated?
Humanae Vitae’s right
BLESSED Pius IX
VENERABLE Pius XII

Mystical body of Christ

(I’m cheating a little)

Let’em be anathema

So, after I graduated from Franciscan University of Steubenville (or Thomas Aquinas College….. or Chrisendom College…. or (insert orthodox Catholic college name here) .....

extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Father Corapi said…

“Faithful Catholics”

Great blog entry!

Kneel for communion
Communion on Tongue
No pop (rock/jazz/etc) music!
No altar girls (been used a few times already, but deserves another entry!)
Priests need chasubles!
You’re a nun?
Where’s your habit?
Nuns in jeans(sweatshirts/sneakers/etc)?
Non-inclusive language (yay!)
Homosexuality is sinful
Latin mass-goer

Or don’t say anything and wear a mantilla to a liberal church…!

Social service cannot make up for abortion support.

Ted Kennedy is most likely in hell for his support for abortion laws that led to the genocide of 50 million unborn American children.

Nancy Pelosi and all other politicians who support abortion are excommunicated according to canon law.

“I was born after Vatican II ended: I don’t know what the Church of the bad-old-days was like, and how you were oppressed Father/Sister;”

“Vatican Council II is like, ancient times”;

Fidelity
Loyalty
Palestrina

“Host please, Father; not substantial bread”

As a convert, I just had to add this one:

Chapter and verse.

“The rubrics say”

Truth doesn’t change.
Try Eucharistic Adoration.
Catholics are pro-life.
Say the creed.
Feelings aren’t faith.
Pray the rosary.
Offer it up.
Genuflect in church.
Fornication is sinful.
So is sodomy.
Stop living together.
No remarriage after divorce.

(Thinking back to a past parish job…)

Who’s Hans Kung?
Vertically directed worship…
According to tradition…
The Mass Propers…
Treasure (of) inestimable value…
Ask the bishop…
The real presence…
It’s interior participation.
That’s not licit!
How about chant?
The authentic liturgy…
The indefectible faith…
Goodness, truth, beauty
Can we pray?
Sacred, holy, transcendent
No L.A. Congress
I’m a convert
Eucharistic adoration devotion
Pray the rosary
Believe (in) objective truth?
Community is overrated

Mediatrix of Grace
Lapel Pin Sisters
Mary Co- Redemtrix
The Baltimore Catechism
Knights of Columbus
One True Church
Canon of Scripture
St. Thomas Aquinas
The Council of Trent
Home Schooling Family
self inflicted penance
Eternal World Television Network (ok, so that’s 4)
Deposit of Faith

Text of Vatican II

Go to Confession

God our Father

God the Son

All praise Him

Everyone kneel please

Male only priesthood

sin, sin, sin

Natural Family Planning

Married sex only

The Natural Law

The Catechism says

The Nashville Dominicans, 200 + and counting!
Corpus Christi processions, Let’s have one.
It is not a community meal, but a sacrifice.
The veil over the chalice coming in the procession before Mass
Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, with the chaplet of mercy prayed
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus

Every knee shall-bend (it’s one word in the Greek),
every tongue confess,
to the-glory of-God,
Jesus is LORD!

Every knee shall-bend (it’s one word in the Greek), every tongue confess, to the-glory of-God, Jesus is LORD!

“Ladies first, please!”

“Always be polite!”

“Age before beauty!”

“Spare the rod…”

“Smarten yourself up!”

“Comb your hair!”

“Fix your tie!”

No meat on Fridays during Lent
John Paul II The Great
Fulton Sheen
We’re all gonna end up in Purgatory
Last one out of Purgatory is the Rotten Egg…
What did she (Sr Lucia’s friend) do to be in Purgatory until End of Times?
Communion of the Saints
You would try the patience of Jesus Christ himself (what the nuns told us in school)
JMJ
BVM
Sister Claire (or any other frightful nun) said…
10,000 lashes with a wet noodle
Opes Dei
Dire warnings about various cults, especially Children of God
Boston Catholic (the station)
Catholics don’t believe in The Rapture
If abortion were legal in 1962 I wouldn’t be here to type these…

Father John Corapi

Another phrase to add to the many suggested:
Carthusian Monastery

Here’s my two cents worth.

Cardinal Newmann society
Faith, Hope, Charity
Practice the Virtues
Notre Dame Scandal

This is such a fun exercise.  It really aleviates some of the frustration I feel when seeing all the horrible attacks against us and our Church.  Thank you my brothers and sisters.  I pray for Gods peace for you also today.

LOL!  “12) An Apostolic Visitation”
Some of these are so very telling.  I’m totally going to try them on some “Catholic” friends and watch what happens.  Thanks Matthew and commentators.

As someone who is probably considered a “progressive” Catholic, I find it interesting that this post and its comments are entirely focused on and contributing to divisiveness within the Church.  May the Holy Spirit, the same One that guides me as I sometimes question and am filled with doubt, be with you all.

In the Creed:  “For us MEN, and our salvation…”

1) As John Paul the Great said…
2) The rubrics say…
3) As Thomas Aquinas stated…

Offer it up
Anything in Latin
Pope Benedict says
Eucharistic Adoration
Papal infallibility

from Roberta:

offer it up
anything in Latin
Pope Benedict says
Eucharistic Adoration
Papal infallibility

Antonio,
Divisive is not the correct word to use here.  And what’s more, you use the word divisive with a negative connotation which is also not correct.  Christ himself was divisive when he had to point out to people their actions and behaviors that were wrong.  We are to imitate Christ in pointing out the errors of our fellow man so as to protect them from harm.  This may seem divisive, but it is not, it is for the sake of unity and protection from harm amongst those in the Body of Christ.  As for those who claim to be in communion and receive the Body of Christ but are not worthy because they do not believe all that the Church (Christ’s Bride) teaches, they are divisive.  Because they divide and separate themselves from the Church and us.  If you do not believe all that Holy Church teaches (understanding not required, which requires humility) then it is you who is divisive and separates yourself from us.  This is a result of lack of faith.  And it becomes a real problem when divisive dissenters take others who are at the infantile stage of their faith with them out of the protection of Christ’s Church.  Now we may seem a little careless or uncharitable in some of our responses here because we are blowing off some steam and trying to laugh at our frustrations, but divisive we are not.  We are in unity with Christ and each other.  Dissenters are the divisive ones.  And nothing here is an actual offence (as opposed to a perceived offence on your part) which requires an apology because nothing said so far is untrue.  The short of it lighten up!

Quoting Antonio: As someone who is probably considered a “progressive” Catholic, I find it interesting that this post and its comments are entirely focused on and contributing to divisiveness within the Church.  May the Holy Spirit, the same One that guides me as I sometimes question and am filled with doubt, be with you all.

As someone who is probably considered an “orthodox or conservative” Catholic, I couldn’t agree with you more.  This article and the following comments very much lack Christian charity.

My goodness, there are so many good ones listed….progressive Catholics must be like progeressive politicians; do not want to know what really is good for the Church or for the country, or what the Church/constitution really say….

I would ad:
sacrifice
chastity
contraception is not right because….
Mary our mother
strength of the rosary
Fatima
Our lady of Guadalupe
Lourdes ET all…..

Our greatest gift is our Catholic Faith; let us all cherish it and protect it from harm.

And with thy spirit
I believe in God…

You shouldn’t touch the other gender where their undergarments cover outside of marriage and I don’t mean sexual intercourse.
Offer it up
Amen at the end of the Our Father
Any sign of respect as you pass a Catholic Church
Only men can be priests
Priests are not to marry
alter boys not “servers”
extraordinary minister not eucharistic minister
genuflecting on your right knee to God dwelling in the tabernacle
suffering is a gift
etc. etc. etc.

Thy will be done

From some bumper stickers I made up:

Charles V 2012
Ferdinand & Isabella 2012
Got tattoos? Mooo… You’re branded
Entomb the enwombed? Never!
Progress? Is somebody kidding?
Question the new
Change? What kind?

“Text of Vatican II”

Right.  Because no ‘progressive’ Catholic can withstand the out-and-out orthodoxy contained in the apostolic constitutions . . .

Oh, wait.

As a semi-traditional, more conservative than not, baby, Neo-Catholic (according to traditionalists anyway), confirmed in ‘06, I have to say I agree with the few that such blog articles do little to foster unity. We, the conservatives, liberals, traditionalists, progressives, etc. all are keenly aware of our differences. This is not something intrinsic to the Catholic Church. We disparage one another out of one side of our mouths, and then quote from John 17 from the other, citing Christ’s great prayer for unity.

Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of God!

Up or down, not right or left

Must we do this? Dividing Holy Mother Church by doing this.

John & Kay, there is NO UNITY when progressives dissent from Church teaching.  The unity comes from common beliefs.  We are not talking about differences like skin, hair, diets, etc.  This is the willful dissent of people who profess unity but don’t believe a thing the Church teaches and then profane the Body and Blood of Christ by receiving it unworthily.  Whereby they bring about scandal, confusion, and the destruction of unity within the Church, as well as judgment by God upon themselves.  Christianity is no pacifist’s religion.  No, God brought us Truth, Mercy/Justice, and Redemption.  And sometimes Laughter is the best medicine during this most painstakingly tedious battle we his children endure.  Enough of the false compassion towards those who dissent.  It does them no good.

I consider myself a progressive in most things, including my approach to my relationship with God.  I am offended daily by the continuing intolerance by all you “conservative” Catholics who label me and judge me just because I might think differently than you do on a particular question or issue.  You people are contributing to the disunity and (I fear) eventual disintigration of the Catholic church in America.  Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us your children.

The Church will never fail, as Christ said the Holy Spirit will be with it until the end of time….

But the point of these comments do not help may be right, yet how do we, the ones that try to follow all Holy Mother the Church teaches, get our point accross when we, for the last 30 plus years been treat badly because we do not have the “spirit of Vatican II”, which was just a way of saying you do not want to change to what we want, which really, if you look at it, had nothing to do w/Vatican two….JPII waid we are just now STARTING to really do what VII called for. 

In the meantime, beautiful churces were razed and mader sterile, new chcurches look sterile, and the horizontal takes center stage.  Many new churces do not even have kneelers….

So for offending anyone, that was not my intention and I am truly sorry. For trying to educate and bring unity to the Church, that I long for but not at the cost of loosing what Holy Mother Church, with Christ as its invisible head, teaches.

Christ’s peace!
Judy 62 who has lived through some very hard things going on in the Church in the name of the “Spirit” of VII

Cocon,
She is praying for you.  You don’t like the answer.

Raymond Cardinal Burke
JP II Priest
“Mean” stream media
Anti Christian left
Anti Catholic left
The O’Reilly Factor
The World Over
According to Weigel…
I saw EWTN….
The Roman Missal
For us men…

When someone describes themselves as “progressive”, I like to ask what they are progressing toward.  The responses invariably show the “progressive” arguments to be rooted in the great ME and are little more than auto-idolatry and a raising of persons to a level equal to or higher than God.  “Progressive” is merely a label used to avoid admitting an abandonment of Tradition and Magisterial teaching—that is, an abandonment of the Catholic faith.  That can hardly be called “progress.”

Make no mistake. Vatican II and Paul VI protestantized the Catholic Church. The “progressives” are traitors who are trying to further destroy the Church from within.

Of the works of mercy, two are instruction and advisement. How is it dissenting or uncharitable to correct someone who is in error, especially if the error can lead to eternal death?

CCC2447.

I’m a fruit inspector.  Checking the fruit on the tree.

Deacon Dan, thank you.
Elm, the title of the article is not “instruction and advisement for ‘progressive’ Catholics.”  It is written specifically to poke fun at and rankle those perceived to be out of lock-step with Catholic dogma.  I am not so opposed to the article - some of it is humorously accurate and I do not take myself so seriously that I can’t laugh at my own expense.  What I do take exception to is the clear and apparent anger hidden (or not so hidden) in many of the comments.  That truly is divisive.  So, I will continue to build my prayer life and my relationship with Jesus Christ so that I may receive the grace to follow every teaching, to not have doubt about some things, to truly become a Saint.  Hopefully, those with anger and contemptuousness toward their fellow spiritual travellers are willing to investigate the sources of that anger and contemptuousness, and whether those are the most helpful emotional responses to someone who is “out of line” with Catholic teaching.

Antonio,
Based on what you just wrote, you are not the correct target for my comments.  And as for my emotions, anger and contempt is far from what I feel for progressives.  It is more like fear for the souls of all these people who are blind, whom I can’t help to “see” what they need to see.  It can be very frustrating when I know I am a very inadequate tool for God.  Lord help us all.  But the truth is, it is they who choose division and seek divisive actions to try to change the Church, rather than change themselves.  You by your comments demonstrate your faithfulness by being open to changing yourself and that alone makes you Catholic, not progressive.  Progressive is a particular movement with a particular goal to change the world.  It is not compatible with the tenets of Catholicism.

Ipse dixit Thomae

Creatio ex nihilo

Jennifer, but you see, I AM the target for your comments.  I DO question why women are not allowed to be priests.  I DO struggle with how to rectify what the catechism says about homesexuality with my own personal feelings about it.  And I certainly have no idea why some people find “altar girls” in some way offensive.  So, I AM the appropriate target.  Believe it or not, there are thoughtful, prayerful “progressive” Catholics out there (yes, I used a capital C).

Antonio, the teaching of the church is not simple, but it is plain and straightforward, calling for a simple commitment which is lifelong and permanent. The struggle you face is the one we all face when we are tested to abandon that lifelong baptismal commitment because of our personal feeling or beliefs. When I disagree with church teaching (when not if) will I bail on mother church? Will I criticize her and go it my own way? Or will I humble myself and explore what and why mother church teaches what she teaches? Will I allow my will to be broken? Our calling is to adhere to our simple commitment (baptimal/marriage/vows..) and to make it lifelong and permanent? The difficulty we will face will be in that commitment. That is where we will be tested.

“I DO question why women are not allowed to be priests.  I DO struggle with how to rectify what the catechism says about homesexuality with my own personal feelings about it.  And I certainly have no idea why some people find “altar girls” in some way offensive.”

Suggestion: Leave the Church. Like the rest of today’s “progressives,” you’re already a de facto Protestant. Go all the way - and take as many of your fellow “progressives” with you as you possibly can.

Divisive? Your ilk has already done the dividing. The only hope for unity is to get down to the serious business of sweeping away your kind. The more we can offend you, the better. 

Hateful? Nothing is more hateful than the “progressive” attack on the Body of Christ.

This is getting out of hand when we tell people to leave the CHurch and take as many of “their” kind with them…. I do love our Church and am sadened by what has been done to Her from within, yet also know that so many, like my brother and others like him since the late 60s, have had extremely horrid teaching about the Church…we must try our very best to love all in the Church and pray/work to help them see the beauty of our Faith, and also pray more and more of our priests and bishops will teach this, also, both by speech and writing.  It is time to bring us all together and get us on the same page.  For far too long many have said this that and the other thing is fine, and it will take time and charity (love plus grace equal charity).

Christ’s peace be with us all….

“This is getting out of hand when we tell people to leave the CHurch and take as many of “their” kind with them….”

There’s been enough Oprahism. It’s time to start vomiting them out. This can be done through being most offensive, which requires nothing more than to state the unvarnished truth at all times - precisely as Christ did, and he offended and divided many.

There’s so very much false compassion here, a specialty of “progressives.” You have compassion not for the mugged (the Church) but for the muggers (“dissenters,” i.e., heretics). Fulton Sheen had you pegged:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7pKqfhWeo&feature=related

Some very thoughtful and some very funny comments but what do royalty (an emperor who was flagrantly unfaith to his wife and a king and queen who practiced genocide in their pursuit of and execution of Jews and Moslems) as well as a condemnation of people with tattoos have to do with whether one is a traditionally practicing and faithful follower of the magisterium or not?

If no tattoos are allowed I guess that leaves out my dad and uncles (daily communicants and one is a habit wearing priest) as well as my husband and myself who sport small and tasteful tattoos that are meaningful to us to celebrate our triumph over his cancer. I guess that all the active, traditional actions and beliefs in the world don’t make up for the fact that we are apparently liberal Catholics by our ardent believers in the American Republic as the best form of government and that since freedom of religion is why our ancestors emigrated to this country to begin with we are therefore actually anti-Catholic!
Sorry - I am not a believer that for Catholicism to exist or thrive it must exist as the natural byproduct of total monarchy only. I think it is much more likely to thrve ONLY in a democratic environment.

The second we begin to bring subjective non-religious judgements such as tattoos or monarchy supporting into our arguments about what is and isn’t correct in our following of the church we risk losing many from our side to the liberals simply because we have left the realm of Catholicism and entered the realm of personal likes, dislikes and politics - NOT the way to serve God and the magisterium in a forum like this one!

Signed - Tattooed and a Democracy supporting Republican!

Questions and doubts do not place me in mortal sin, as far as I can tell from the Catechism.  I’ll stay, thanks. On the other hand, perhaps my presence here offends you so much, Jitpring, that YOU may choose to leave the Catholic Church.  But I hope not, because the experience and practice of the Eucharist is much more powerful and important than my beliefs or your beliefs.  Have a peaceful day, and do not get too sick trying to vomit us out (sorry, couldn’t help myself).

See this devastating essay on today’s ridiculous tattoo craze:

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/demello-dalrymple-2647

They’re easily rejected on entirely non-religious grounds.

Jitpring - Are you as the the Catholic voice of authority now going to be wanting Catholics to be like the Mormons who forbid tattoos, more than one ear piercing, drinking of coffee, wine, beer, alcohol of any sort, caffeine bearing soft drinks, tea, and such - or perhaps like the Mennonites or Amish who perhaps would have their women wear dresses only and cover their required lng hair at all times with a covering signifying their subservience to the headship of their husband - or perhaps even Moslim in your need to cover women from head to foot and forbid any mixed gender social or professional interaction???

When I hear it from Rome or my bishop that tattoos are verboten I will do something about it - meanwhile - I am thrilled to look at mine every day and now that it celebrates the life that my husband have together as husband and wife and that it celebrates our triumph of wellness over his killer disease!

I have no idea about tatoos. I do know the Church is not a democracy…that sounds bad but it is not.  That is why our Lord left us the visible head, the pope, to lead us on Faith and Morals, when we have doubts about a cemented fact of our faith whe as our Lord for the grace to accept it on faith….

There are deep reasons I do not care for altar girls, and how it came about, as an act of disobedience by many priests, yet the pope allowed it, the bisops and priests have the options to say yes or no, they do not have to allow it (and this, too, s/b honored by the parish), so that is that. Hopefully it will work out for the good.

Christ’s peace to all in this discussion.

At no point do I think that any of us here saw the church as a democracy. My reference to democracy was meant to say that the church - a spiritual entity as opposed to a political entity operates best in an environment where it can work freely without fear of being interfered with by a government with an agenda that includes using the church to further its’ own politcal ends and the best environment of such a free environment is the democracy form of government - such as we have here in the United States. As soon as you get into a governing situation that has a dictatorship type of government it is inevitable that the government will attempt to use the church to further its’ own political agenda - as seen everywhere from the Holy Roman Empire where the emperor had the right of veto over the election of the pope to the modern day troubles in Communist CHina where there are two Catholic churches - the real one and the “Peoples Catholic CHurch” - hence my argument in favor of democracy as a civil form of government only.

At no point do I think that any of us here saw the church as a democracy. My reference to democracy was meant to say that the church - a spiritual entity as opposed to a political entity that a democratically run country is - would operate best in an environment where it can work freely without fear of being interfered with by a government with an agenda that includes using the church to further its’ own politcal ends and the best environment of such a free environment is the democracy form of government - such as we have here in the United States.

As soon as you get into a governing situation that has a dictatorship type of government it is inevitable that the government will attempt to use the church to further its’ own political agenda - as seen everywhere from the Holy Roman Empire where the emperor had the right of veto over the election of the pope to the modern day troubles in Communist China where there are two Catholic churches - the real one and the “Peoples Catholic Church” - hence my argument in favor of democracy as a civil form of government only.

I have Three words that I live by because I have been on the otherside(cafeteria Catholic).They are… Loyal To Rome.Case closed. Dan Harrigan

The fact is, that the so called Investigation of the Bayside Apparitions was a sham. Go to the official Bayside website at www.smwa.org and look up the article, called. Bayside, The Facts Revealed.

Antonio,
Are you questioning the tenets of our faith or trying to change them?  The answer to this question lies in how you attempt to better form your conscience and who you listen to in order to do so.  The answer to this question also indicates whether or not my comments are directed to you or not.  But regardless, I am sorry you feel offended but there is no offense meant, because there is nothing that I have said here that is not true.  Have you never engaged in a moment of joking about something someone you love did or does that on some days drives you crazy but regardless you still love them?  I know something you can confess if you say no.  My point is this, this article was for REAL faithful Catholics who fight against the forces that seek to divide our Church everyday as an outlet for our frustrations through humor, over all the lies, falsehoods, and cultural attacks along with the condemnations, redefinitions and attempts to silence us when all we are saying is exactly what the Church and Christ himself said.  The progressive movement is a communist/socialist movement which seeks control over societies because it does not understand the inherent dignity of the human person.  It seeks to eliminate religion because it is the one force it can not control, which is why the Catholic Church is its biggest target.  It has infiltrated and poisoned the minds of many people within our church body and has given birth to many heresies including Liberation Theology, which is why so many call for the “cutting off of the hand or foot that makes us sin” as they believe it would be better to have a smaller more faithful Church than a large and inclusive club that offends God and stands for nothing.  In your circle of friends you may all think that you are being faithful, thoughtful, prayerful “Progressive” Catholics but you would be deceiving yourselves.  The two are not compatible.  It is an oxymoron.  And I, along with many others, am here telling you so, asking you to not be deceived any more, and to be united with us in the body of Christ.  But the choice will always be yours and you can not change the consequences of your choices.  Nor can you redefine yourself and say you are something you are not.  Because until you submit your will to Christ’s Bride, The Church, you are not in unity with us.  And the terms ardent or faithful are reserved for those in unity only.

Monstrance

As to who should stay (traditionalists) or who should go(progressives)? Jesus said to leave the weeds and the wheat together until the harvest!

“Orthodox”  I was all set to start teaching religious ed to the public school students in our parish and was having a final conversation with the director.  I asked her how “orthodox” her program was.  SHe proceeded to get very defensive and not-so-tactfully tell me that she didn’t think I would work out as a teacher! - Never mind that I already am a certified high school teacher.

As for tattoos, I never said they were or should be forbidden. This would destroy freedom. I’d have you freely spurn them. For one thing, branding oneself with a tattoo reveals bovine bad taste. For another, the utter falsity involved in the bourgeoisie adoption of tattoos is just nauseating (note: I have no objection to primitives/savages tattooing themselves, as tattoos organically flow from savagery). Read the Dalrymple article I linked to, Exposing Shallowness.

As for the spiritual dimension of tattoos, see this:

http://www.patrickmadrid.com/images/bodyart.pdf

Adele, Amen to that….

NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING!!

Jitpring - Well gee - since I (not to mention my uncle the 84 yr old traditional priest and my dad the 88 yr old daily communicant) have been proven as having bovine bad taste, being a savage and a member of the lowest of the lower criminal classes for my proudly (but privately) worn tattoo which I see as a reminder of something positive but since I am clearly self absorbed, shallow and new-age I need this judgement by you to tell me what I am doing wrong in life.

Don’t you feel just a tad pharisaical? Not to mention that under your judgement the fact that I don’t agree with you on this issue means that I am unworthy of anything else except condemnation!

Be VERY careful - you come across as the kind of person that can very easily push a soul seeking to connect/reconnect with faithful following of the magisterium right back out the door by your judgementalism, brittle belief that your TASTE is actually the correct standard by which to judge others morals, ethics and for that matter non-moral choices in life (such as tattoos) and that you have a divine pipeline to what is morally and tastefully correct.

Until you begin to sign your posts as Benedict XVI I think I’ll take a pass on your judgement of pretty much anything and everything and that I will continue to freely and fully believe in the magesterium, NFP, rosaries, scapulars, my marriage as a life long sacrament, Latin mass, religious habits, a celebate male priesthood, etc., and tattoos, but not royalist causes or elitist judgements on matters of personal choice having nothing to do with matters of morals or belief! I choose to freely spurn those!

Hope you are up to allowing diversity whether you like it or not because I suspect that you are stuck with it in this life and the next - more than you have any idea! ;)

I just have two ideas, and they’re both four words long:

“The cafeteria is closed!”

“Pick up your cross.”

“You know, Sister does a nice job; I mean, she doesn’t wear a habit, but somehow she’s still OK.”

traditional marriage

Father Corapi says…..
or
objective Truth…..

Meg, take special note that you’ve just judged me. How ironic.

Lord, I believe
Help my unbelief.

You can’t count.

Ha ha. These are supposed to be three words. Here are mine:

man, men, mankind
“... for us men…”
Blessed Virgin Mary
tolerance isn’t endorsement
pro life movement
just war theory

Jitpring - sorry - I don’t see any irony - I just stated what I saw and believed. As far as judging goes - every one of your comments on here - to me and to others was judgemental - sometimes in the extreme - and many times without basis or reason. If you don’t like it don’t do it. Remember the golden rule - Do unto others….

*God’s pro-life
*sacrament of reconciliation
*God hates contraceptives
*Celibacy is good
*Satan’s pro “choice”
*Chastity’s for EVERYONE
*Hell is real
*One True Church
*the Pope’s infallible
*Jesus hates divorce
*Priesthood’s for MEN
*Eucharist ISN’T simbolic!!!!!!!!!!
lol, FOR LADIES—> *Modesty and discretion
*Cohabitation’s a SIN!!!!!!!
*read the Bible!!!!
*The Holy Rosary
*The daily mass
*relationship with Christ
*the Sacred Tradition
*The Marian apparitions
*We aren’t protestants!!!!!!!
*I pray everyday
*holy catholic Church
*God condemns homosexualism
*the 10 commandments
*I follow Jesus
*And HIS church
*Sainthood’s for EVERYONE!

God the Father.
The Holy Spirit.
Our Blessed Lord.
The Blessed Virgin.
Communion of Saints.
Our Guardian Angel.
The Ten Commandments.
Turn to God.
Go to Mass.
Go to confession.
Receive Holy Communion.
Offer up frustrations.
Remember the poor.
Protect the Unborn.
Say the Rosary.
Divine Mercy Chaplet.
Go to Benediction.
Jesus is Lord.
He sees all.
Heaven is real.
Hell is real.
Purgatory is real.
Forgive, forgive,forgive.
Light of Christ.
Remember God daily.
Jesus offered suffering
to save you.
Never give up.
God Bless you.

SANCTUS,SANCTUS,SANCTUS

Vow of Obedience

Sin!

Any of the following identifying words, followed by the phrase “Catholic Church”:  Eastern, Byzantine, Maronite, Melkite (Greek), Ruthenian, Ukrainian.

Also:
Liturgy of the Hours
Meatless Fridays
Confession, Contrition, Penance
Lord, have mercy.

Progressive Catholics believe
Traditional Catholics believe
Catholics all believe

We Commune infants

There is no such thing as a progressive aka marxist catholic. There are only Catholics those who follow the teachings of the Church. You don’t follow the teachings then you’re not a Catholic.

Well formed conscience     ** NOT **  primacy of conscience
Faith and reason
Hate the sin
Admonish the sinner

And I am with so many others in saying

For us MEN

Up or down, not left or right.

One word that drives progressive Catholics crazy: Magisterium.

three words to drive progressive catholics crazy?  How about:
Have Big Families

Being an ‘ahem’ woman altar server was one of the most spiritual experiences of my life, Latin is beautiful, the Vatican is not irrelevant, guitar music adds add a wonderful expression of faith and this column is only creating caricatures of the ‘conservatives’ and the ‘progressives’ as if there are only two ideas of Catholicism.  There is one church and each member has their own experience in that church.  This column only generates an us vs them discourse not a true dialogue based on our common belief in the church and Jesus.

I did not say that being a girl altar server could not be a spiritual time, but how it came about was from disobedience on the part of many priests here in this country.  Yes we are one Church, and that is another reason why we must listen to Rome, as Christ said we are to do, and not let what we “want” or what we “like” be the only reason for doing things.  The thing with guitar music is that the people are up front and are very distracting, as they are for many choirs these days…it is too bad we stopped having choir lofts….the sound carried well and they were not distracting.

We must all follow the Church, our bishops and priests, included, who must make sure the DDR, music people, extraordinary ministers, etc, all do too.

Christ’s peace,

read the black
do the red.
Catholics deserve good liturgy.

so yeah,m why is recieving communion in the hands wrong?

My pastor commented to me yesterday that he would appreciate my sticking out my tongue farther when I receive the Eucharist because he has a shaking problem and had a difficult time giving me the Host without touching my mouth. I appreciated his concern. I also appreciated that he said he had no problem with my receiving Communion this way. Good thing, cause BXVI gave me the lead on this type of reception.

I began receiving Holy Communion on the tongue when I was on crutches last winter. At times before that, I would be given a piece of the Host the priest elevates and then breaks. Sometimes, there would be obvious “crumbs” in my hand and this always concerned me, enough to lick my palm to make sure all of them got into my mouth. I see those crumbs as more precious than grains of gold. Therefore, to rule out loosing any of the Host, I now always receive on my tongue.

Communion in the hand isn’t wrong, it’s allowed by indult.  But sometimes progressives will go too far and say we shouldn’t receive communion on the tongue (or kneeling) at all.  I know someone who was denied communion on the tongue for no reason other than ideology, and I myself have been requested not to kneel for communion by two priests.

“true dialog divides”
“progressives refuse obedience”
“traditionalists won’t conform”
“obey papal instruction”
“reprobated liturgical abuse”
“dialog compromising faith”
“progressives lost faith”
“Lion of Judah”
“obedience in faith”
“command of Christ”
“Redemptionis Sacramentum”
“lady priest”
“mouse hunting cat”
“The Everlasting Man”
“Extraordinary Form Mass”
“pride of place”
“force of custom”
“Source and summit”
“faith and morals”
“Tu es Petrus”
“Roman Catholic Americans”
“percussion distracts worshippers”
“amateur liturgical musicians”
“banal song lyrics”
“songs aren’t hymns”
“anti-Catholic theologies”
“laicized priest composers”
“conveniently trapped audience”
“liturgical applause inappropriate”
“scandalous liturgical dance”
“scandalous (fill in blank, despite chuckling sounds)”
“Kumbayah Catholicism”
“orans posture”
“Truth replacing opinion”
“pro multis”
“Not about experiencing”
“everything Benedict teaches”
“someone else’s truth”
“only traditionalists understand”
“Christ brought division”
“father against son”
“son against father”
“mother against daughter”
“daughter against mother”
“mother-in-law against daughter-in-law”
“daughter-in-law against mother-in-law”
“false dialog”
“unrepented sin”
“sin deserves”
“malformed conscience”
“conscience isn’t absolute”
“Magisterium commands faith”
“dialog’s about truth”
“Magisterial authority’s absolute”
“Christ’s divisive purpose”
“my truth’s invalid”
“Catholicism’s no experiment”

I dont consider myself a progressive catholic, but I have the 2 perfect three word phrase that upsets ALL catholics….....

The Marriage Bed

Marital sexual pleasure

That’s presumption, puerile and and mean-spirited to an extreme degree, “Johnny Catholic”. Kindly speak for yourself and not for others.

To those guys that think CITH is fine, often the case is that you do not understand what the problem actually is. It is not the fact that the Blessed Sacrament is placed in the hand, It is the fact that almost everywhere people do not bother to check their hands for fragments. In these cases there is serious danger of losing fragments if not almost certainty of that fact. Where this is the case CITH is not to be given.
Secondly there is a case to be made about the insufficiency of simply inspeacting the hands for fragments. The Church teaches that as long as Bread outwardly remains [species] then the Sacrament remains. Since none would postulate that bread particles cease to be bread when they become so small as to be invisible when it is unconcentrated - it would also seem to be the case when the bread is consecrated that in these small particles of bread that the Sacrament remains. Hence something more than a simple inspection of hands is required. And who really wants to risk the loss of fragments when human frailty can make a mistake and miss one. In short CITH encourages the loss of Fragments of the Blessed Sacrament which is why there is so much opposition to it.

@Kevin Fraser

What the heck does puerile mean? ANd no, i’m not speaking for myself, i’m critiziing EWTN, Theology of the Body, conservative catholic experts, NFP supporters and other who make sex in marriage seem like a chore, a suffering, a burden, a rare, very, very, very, very, very non-important event in a marriage, and I have the proof to back me up. And the act itself, apparently to most it should be followed by a handshake and a rosary…....sound right? It’s not intimacy, it’s a business dealing because, as we all know, sex is 100% about nothing, NOTHING else but making bables. THAT’S the church teaching on sex.

To Johnny Catholic:  Puerile? Please get yourself a good dictionary and a copy of the Catholic Cathechism ...you will find real answers to all the misinformation you are spewing here….you have not a clear idea of what the Church has said regarding sex in marriage ( and outside too for that matter) You may not want to adopt their teachings in your own life but at the least tell it like it is…not what the secular world says it is!

Johnny, if that’s what you think the Church is saying about sexual pleasure, then I would say you haven’t a clue about the sacrament of marriage.  Every time two people consummate their marriage, they redo their vows.  And that is extremely good.  No one said you can’t enjoy it.  Cause really if you didn’t enjoy it, who would do it?  Duh.  What the Church says is don’t pervert it.  Don’t make it about what you get out if it.  Make it about what you give to your spouse.  This is why He says contraception is a no-no, because it puts a barrier between the spouses and prevents them from giving of themselves fully to each other.  It turns sex into a consumer product.  Contraception therefore is a form of saying no to the other person, thereby making the other a tool for your personal sexual gratification.  It objectifies human beings.  But I would say if you have a hard time understanding or accepting this, then you need to do some real soul searching through prayer and figure out what sexual sin you have that’s got you blinded and enslaved that you can’t obey in faith what God’s vicar on earth and His Holy Bride the Church teaches.  And by the way what’s wrong with praying the rosary afterwards?

“Johnny Catholic,” now you’ve done it.

“In America, you cannot find 100 who truly hate the Catholic Church. But you can find 100 million and more who hate the monster that is what they mistakenly believe that the Catholic Church teaches.”
- Archbishop Fulton Sheen

I called your understanding of the meaning of “the act itself”—as you wrote—‘puerile’ because that word implies that particular depth of moral misunderstanding that can only have come from not having yet reached the age of reason. In the case you submitted for public scrutiny in writing, ‘adolescent’ just doesn’t take it there.

One single example: What do you mean by calling me and my wife prostitutes? Or any other “NFP supporters” for that matter. No need to get personal, buddy.

Thank you for trying to pass him the “3-in-1” Jennifer and Adele. Read ‘em and CREAK, Johnny:

(my/your) personal truth
NFP supporters
un/just discrimination
absolute moral authority
Apostolic Church
authentic church teaching
Catholic truth
conservative Catholic experts
correct your opinion
de/mal/un/well-/formed conscience
EWTN gets it
natural law
NFP magnifies intimacy
NFP practitioners
NFP supporter
objective meaning
objective truth
one True Catholic
presumptive disinhibition
progressives get puerile
sacramental sexual intimacy
sanctifying marital intimacy
sex’s eternal consequences
teaching’s not opinion
theological sex life
ToB saves marriages
true despite opinion
unitive and procreative
universal truth

PS “Johnny Catholic”, when did you change your fake first name from “Anti” ?

@adele and Jennifer

Maybe I should do some explaining first. I agree with the church wholeheartedly and fully when it comes to abortion, contraception, no sex before marriage (I’ve been saving myself for marriage since I was 15.) I am 100% on board with the church’s model teachings and all, I just don’t agree with Theology of the Body, Natural Family Planning or the very present “negative light” the church (well, I should say, many in the church) cast on sex. And that’s not a sin, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn’t write theology of the body the last time I checked. A little about me, I live in a very, very, very, EXTREMELY conservative Roman Catholic family. My mom’s family has been catholic for as far back as they can trace my lineage and my family is also passionate and sensitive. This leaves me with a very hot kettle of boiling water, so to speak. They are catholic and that is wonderful. However, they also tend to complain and ridicule everyone else in the universe who isn’t catholic, pure, or all around perfect. Growing up, I never got set up on a date or matched up by my family, they would complain about the girl at the mall with words on the backside of her pants or how all teens think about is sex or how immoral ALL of TV is. From day 1, I’ve had a negative outlook on sex. It didn’t get helped at all once I went to catholic high school for boys where the only sex talk we got was, “AHHHH! AHHHH! Don’t think about, read about, watch or have sex ever! Don’t even LOOK at a girl or you will die a bloody, grotesque death!!!!” (No, that is NOT an overstatement). Then I read in Theology of the Body or books of the like and they pretty much say the only good reason to have sex is to try to get pregnant. I don’t have a copy of the book I read this from but I will look for it. So, I haven’t had the exact picture perfect introduction to this topic. But I am a faithful catholic and I call it like I see it, well, this is how I see this issue discussed among conservative catholic like myself. And Yes it IS weird to pray a rosary after sex, think about how that might look, after two people have sex……..not the image of two people ready to pray. I believe the church is very negative and almost against sex in marriage, at least intimate, romantic, fun sex. And against varied, unique, creative sex. If you think I’m wrong, prove me wrong……

What is all this separating sex from prayer?? Sex is a prayer. It is the joining of bodies in the manner for which they are created. The conjugal act is probably as close physically as you can get on earth to the Trinity. When you cooperate with the Holy Spirit in giving new life, what greater action can there be. To love a spouse for life gives to the world stability, compassion, and a future. The unitive value of marriage is what keeps society together. There is nothing more sexy than a couple still connecting and enjoying each other after many decades of marriage.

Are you sure it isn’t YOU who have all the hang-ups?

You’re telling me after 25 years of my marriage that a marital embrace that treats my wife as a person, ot a thing, in conformity with the teaching and the mind of the Church, is “negative.”

According to you.

You’re telling me some kind of magic show offers more nerve ending pleasure impulses per second and is therefore wiser than the healthiest of respect for God’s design of sexuality.

“not the image of two people ready to pray”
You apparently have a VERY repressed idea of “ready to pray.”

What would you advise a couple who want children and can’t have them: “Whatever you do, don’t PRAY!!!” And whatever else you do, don’t become one of those “NFP supporters.”

You’re saying the Catholic Church is wrong to oppose objectifying the human being for one’s own ends, because otherwise they can’t be “intimate, romantic, fun” and “varied, unique, creative” and all the rest of the pornography you were trying to imply.

What an incredible nerve you have.

And that’s quite the tall beak you’re looking down on me and my wife from above and hurling your accusations of having a “negative” marital embrace from, kid.

You’re saying sexuality, to be at its best, first of all needs to be kept as far away from God as possible. Like kind of hiding it, almost? (Tee-hee!)

Your demonstrated understanding is that God’s gift of sexuality is some kind of a toy with no purpose other than amusement. This is what unmasks your personal immaturity. Here’s why, big man:

What would you tell children whose parents are your hateful “NFP supporters” who were never born until their parents started practicing NFP? Would you tell those children to invite God into every part of their lives except for very special place, and NEVER let Him into that part, ever, whatever they do?

Would you tell them the right thing to do is to say one thing and do something completely opposed, as if God will never know?

Would you tell them that because their parents are so thankful for the special gift that made them, they even asked Jesus’ Mother to say thank you with them to God?

Would you tell them their parents are were guilty of avoiding intimacy, romance, fun, variety, uniqueness, and creativity?

Would you say “they skipped all of that to have you.”

Think of Adam’s reaction when he heard God say “Adam, where are you?”

Would you tell them that there are some parts of their own lives where God should never be welcomed?

Man you are COLD. And you’ve made it ABUNDANTLY clear that you are a “progressive” Catholic. 

I can’t decide whether your challenge to “prove” moral theology is more ignorant or arrogant.

Here’s another one for the list:

“Johnny Catholic”

RE Johnny Catholic: You have made many people (with your misformed ideas)both angry and un-Christ like in their responses. Ignore most of it and just try to read about these issues in the Catholic Cathechism ...and get some advice from a priest whom you know and trust about how to handle your intense emotions about your Catholicism. You seem as confused as you are uniformed. Will pray you get the proper Catechesis before you think of marrying and having a family.

Kevin Fraser, I have nothing. Everything you have sprayed out and bashed me with is all assumptions and overreactions. You have no idea if I even believe ANYTHIGN that you have said about me. What gives you the right to look down upon me, huh? Who do you think YOU are!? You have done nothing to my way of thinking than simply think it more, to spite you and because you’ve hurt, insulted, angered and mocked me. Hate the sin, love the sinner (Oh wait, your too busdy hating everyone to even care if they are sinning. Does it even matter to you that I’m a faithful catholic, who prays everyday and goes to mass daily? And that this is my ONLY hangup in church teaching?)

For the record, the biggest button you pressed was your derisive “NFP supporter” accusation. Guilty as charged. I’m even a PRACTITIONER!

Your labeling was completely uncalled for. Every couple who begs God (even through Mary) before or after they embrace that this time they will be graced with a new life given by God deserves your prayers and mine.

“NFP supporter” is just your political label for something you don’t like. You call what I wrote “bashing.” If you actually consider the very good questions I posed, you may find your opinion changes.

If all you are prepared to do with the response you get from your cheeky challenge to “prove it” is to whine about “bashing” and start a gainsay contest, maybe you should consider gifting your keyboard to a worthy charity.

There is such a thing as justifiable anger, and you ain’t got it, “Johnny Catholic”

Man is fallen.
Man’s no animal.
Persons are sacred.
Sex is sacrosanct.
Truth sets free.
Only God’s “I AM”
Jesus is Lord.
We’re not ours.
Jesus’ blood saves.
Bless His name.

G.K Chesterton

You Cafeteria Catholics…
Leave Our Church
Abortion IS murder
why Mommy, why?

Communion on tongue

I’m amazed. I searched the comments and didn’t find.

Has “Opus Dei” as a robot society gone out of fashion for Progressives?

Or do we have the silliness that is Dan Brown to thank for that change.

Maybe, though I doubt it, John Allen’s book has changed a few minds.

Robot society?? The Work?? Are you kidding???
Marty - not in lock step

Johnny, listen kid (please do not be offended, I can tell by your response that you are not very old) I hope you are still out there and will read this message.  Don’t give up trying to understand what I said to you.  You are on the right path.  I know you are seeking answers to things you don’t understand.  And that is good.  Keep it up.  I think you have an immature understanding of our sexuality right now because you haven’t had parents, though orthodox, who really have a complete grasp of what it really means either.  And you are justified in being offended by their haughty behavior.  You are also right in thinking that sex is not just for procreation.  It is a very important bond between spouses.  So important in fact, that a marriage is not considered a marriage unless and until the two have consummated it.  And you’re right it is not taught in the Gospel by name, but Theology of the Body was taught by John Paul II.  In fact all of the information regarding it comes from his weekly audiences.  So if you don’t want to read Christopher West’s books (although they simplify what JPII had to say into layman terms) you can go directly to the source at the Vatican.com weekly audience archives and read it there for yourself.  My heart really goes out to you right now.  I am proud of you for not caving into our secular world and giving it away before you are married.  You are very smart.  Which is why I know you will find the answers eventually.  Good luck.  I am praying for you.  I ask Mother Mary to keep watch over you always.

I have not been reading all of the responses, but the last one before mine surely was kind to John, and gave a wonderful answer to him.  Whoever you are, great job, and John, God’s graces are with you and Christ knows your heart.  Keep going to him in adoration and receiving the sacraments, reading some good things on Theology of the body, and last, but certainly not least, put yourself in Mary’s hands, your heavenly Mother, and she will lead you to her Son.  Christ’s peace, the peace that helps us really see the Truth!  Judy

Revised Standard Version (note that’s there’s no “New”)
Tradition of (the) Church
“reserved to men” (Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, John Paul II)
“set forth infallibly” (On Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith)
[Statement on the] Formation of Conscience (http://www.consciencelaws.org/Examining-Conscience-Ethical/Ethical40.html)

Venerate the martyrs.
Emmbrace your suffering.