The recently completed “Nuns on the Bus” tour garnered a great deal of publicity for the sisters involved, who claimed they were making the trip to protest proposed federal budget cuts they say would hurt the poor. However, there were many more undercurrents to the nine-state, two-week trip than most people realize.
The giant banner on their bus proclaimed, “Sisters driving for faith, family and fairness,” and a gushing media noted that the sisters’ fans along the way greeted them like rock stars. However, it turns out that the sisters who organized the June 18-July 2 tour — from the sisters’ lobbying group Network — also were driving for their own agenda.
As a Washington Post headline put it: “The Nuns on the Bus tour promotes social justice and turns a deaf ear to the Vatican.”
The Nuns on the Bus tour did treat issues of poverty, but the tour also was designed to highlight the good works many sisters do in order to respond to the doctrinal assessment by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) that found numerous doctrinal errors in the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR). The LCWR is a superiors’ organization of about 1,500 sisters who lead orders that include 80% of the sisters in the country.
The LCWR has had ongoing difficulties with the Vatican for decades, culminating in the April 18 assessment report that directed Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle to oversee a reform of the organization. Network also was named in the assessment, for it is closely connected to LCWR.
Sister of Social Service Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, did admit in some press interviews that the bus trip was a reaction to the CDF assessment: “Their big mistake was naming us [Network],” Sister Simone told the Washington Post. “With all this attention, we had to use it for our mission.”
In a July 2 profile of Sister Simone, Time magazine observed, “At times Nuns on the Bus can seem like Campbell’s personal act of retaliation against the Vatican for its virtual takeover of the nuns’ leadership conference and its rebuke of Network.” Indeed, the article quoted Sister Simone: “I’ve been a faithful woman religious for over 40 years. … And some guy who’s never talked to me says we’re a problem? Ooh, that hurts.”
Likewise, it was no accident that the sisters’ two-week bus tour was timed to coincide with the U.S. bishops’ June 21-July 4 Fortnight for Freedom. The fortnight observance called for prayer, fasting, education and action to preserve religious liberty in the face of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) mandate that all employers must provide insurance coverage for sterilizations and drugs that are abortifacient and contraceptive.
The only religious exemption is for churches and does not include Catholic hospitals, schools and other institutions that serve the general public.
The Network sisters support the HHS mandate that has been rejected by the bishops, and a press hungry for sensationalism was much more inclined to cover the sisters’ public disagreement with Catholic Church leaders than to cover thousands of Catholics — including many more sisters than those on the bus — praying in churches. The New York Times called the Nuns on the Bus tour a “spirited retort to the Vatican,” and Time’s headline on its July 2 profile of Sister Simone read: “Holy Strategist: A nun takes on bishops with a bus tour and Twitter.”
The bus the sisters chartered for their trip also made for sensational photos, with its billboard-sized “Nuns on the Bus” signs, but the image did not match the reality; for rather than a busload of sisters, only two sisters made the entire trip. They were joined along the way for a day or two by a few local sisters, but never were there more than six sisters on the bus, which is usually rented by entertainers on the road and equipped for comfort, with a lounge area and a kitchen.
How did a handful of sisters on a bus get such wide media coverage? The answer might be found in the media professional who accompanied them on the bus and her employer. A perceptive blogger, Elizabeth at Laetificat, made the connection that the sisters’ media representative, Casey Shoenberger, is employed as a media relations assistant for the organization Faith in Public Life (FPL) and had worked in the associate program at Network.
According to a June 27 media advisory from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), FPL was founded with help from the pro-abortion group Center for American Progress (CAP) that is directed by John Podesta, former chief of staff for President Bill Clinton. The USCCB advisory said that both FPL and CAP have received funding from billionaire atheist George Soros.
The unusual USCCB advisory was issued because the bishops became aware of a memo to news media from FPL’s John Gehring “casting aspersions on the Catholic bishops and their educational project on religious liberty, the Fortnight for Freedom.” Gehring is Catholic outreach coordinator for FPL, according to its website.
The bishops’ conference advisory said: “In his memo, Mr. Gehring juxtaposes what he calls the bishops’ ‘fictions’ with his ‘facts’ — and he provides the media with ‘questions to ask Catholic bishops’ that he apparently thinks are embarrassing.” The USCCB advisory then went on to answer all the questions and show how fact and fiction are confused by Gehring himself.
Additionally, the FPL website reveals that the connection between FPL and the Network sisters goes back at least two years. On the FPL “Successes” page is an entry about the March 17, 2010, letter on Network stationery to Congress urging passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare. The bishops, while supporting health-care reform, did not support that bill because it included funding for abortion and did not have adequate conscience protection. The Network letter claimed to represent all 59,000 sisters in the U.S., but was signed by only about 60 sisters.
The bishops’ conference issued a clarification about that letter the next day, explaining that the signers had “grossly overstated whom they represent” in that letter.
“Network’s letter about health-care reform was signed by a few dozen people, and despite what Network said, they do not come anywhere near representing 59,000 American sisters,” the clarification stated.
Nevertheless, the FPL website reports that in the final days of the health-care debate in 2010, FPL “worked with 60 women religious, representing nearly 59,000 nuns, who sent a letter to Congress supporting health reform and challenging misinformation about abortion provisions. With the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops opposing the bill, the nuns’ letter assured undecided pro-life Catholic members of Congress that supporting the legislation was in keeping with Catholic teaching, a crucial success that helped ensure passage of health reform.” FPL goes on to take credit for making sure the Network letter reached the media.
Network’s communications coordinator, Stephanie Niedringhaus, told the Register that FPL’s Schoenberger accompanied the bus tour only because she herself was unable to go due to family obligations. She said she was not aware of any funding for the tour from Faith in Public Life and said that the funding came from “a long list” of sources, with that funding still coming in.
Whatever the case, Catholic sisters who disagree with the position of the bishops make very helpful allies for anyone with a political agenda who is working to discredit the bishops’ strong stand on religious liberty.
Louann Kensinger, who attended the Nuns on the Bus “friend raiser” in South Bend, Ind., on June 21, told the Register that the tightly controlled event was “one-sided,” “like a political rally.”
Strangely, those “friend raisers” were “open to the public, closed to the press,” according to the Nuns on the Bus website. However, writers for the National Catholic Reporter and Commonweal were admitted to the South Bend event and reported on it for their publications.
Visits to the offices of local congressmen along the bus route also were tightly controlled. While those visits were listed as “open to all” on the Nuns on the Bus website, in South Bend the people who turned out to greet the bus were not allowed to accompany the sisters into the office. This writer was told by Casey Shoenberger that the sisters would report to us what transpired when they came out.
An article in the Columbus (Ohio) Dispatch about the sisters’ visit there on the eighth day of their trip observed that what the sisters reported about their meeting at the office of Rep. Pat Tiberi, R-Ohio, did not completely reflect the actual event. Sister Simone told the Dispatch that Tiberi’s staff offered the “first substantive conversation of our visits” and that the staff agreed that more revenue is needed, but disagreed on income criteria for food stamps. Sister Simone called their conversation a “gift” because “for the first time” there was “some giveback,” “some conversation.”
According to the Dispatch: “Tiberi spokeswoman Breann Gonzalez said the congressman’s staff has a different view of the conversation but was receptive to the nuns’ concerns and did discuss the need for programs to help the most vulnerable.
“‘However, as a Catholic, Congressman Tiberi finds it ironic that during the heart of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ campaign against President Obama’s attack on religious freedom, this group did not once mention the importance of preserving religious freedom,’ she said. ‘Instead, they chose to discuss a bill [the Republican budget proposal] that has already passed the House and is virtually dead in the Senate since the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in three years.’”
So, while the Nuns on the Bus tour did highlight some of the wonderful work sisters are doing for disadvantaged people, it also played a partisan political role and enabled Sister Simone Campbell and her sympathizers to display their disregard for the teaching authority of the U.S. bishops and the Vatican.
Register correspondent Ann Carey is the author of
Sisters in Crisis: The Tragic Unraveling of Women’s Religious Communities.


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The nuns role in the Catholic Church does NOT trump the authority of the Bishops’. This very public thumbing of their noses with so much at stake in this election is sad and heartbreaking and has added more fuel for the enemies of the Catholic Church to continue to exploit this divide. The liberal left started with removing God from the public square for years…evolved into redefining life in the womb…. which opened the door and paved the way for wholesale abortions, continues now with redefining what constitutes a marriage and what a family may look like in the future…...which opens to door to more ungodly doings and now if they can just keep championing these nuns and drive that secular wedge deeper. This is the big push to replace God with Govt and the Catholic Church is the bullseye….....the main target to eliminate so they can expand this socialism. If the Catholic Church can be forced to retreat ....all the rest of the other denominations will fall like dominoes. These rogue nuns may not like their role in the Catholic Church but it doesn’t warrant siding with those who want the Catholic Church gone forever so they can expand a godless society. Little do they realize that by cozying up with the left to garner what they think is some leverage is no more than a disaster about to backfire if they don’t come to their senses as the left will soon reveal what an evil snake it was all along. History will show, at least in this case, that once again, Satan dangled another apple and the tempations of that fruit snared another “Eve”(nuns)and a reluctant “Adam” (The Catholic Church) will pay a price.
Pray for these nuns, pray that left gets wiped out in this election and if not…. pray for the strength to be able to surive what they have in store if given another 4 years to completely make America a country we won’t even recognize.
Nuns on the bus need a good talking to by Mother Angelica.
What part of to obey do they not understand. God does not need to get caught up with the times as he is timeless. The nuns action can only cause more division and harm the church. Let mother angelica talk to them, she will straighten them out.
Bob S. please answer stillbelieve’s question….....And your point is?
Bob S. absolutely agree. Thank you
@Bob S.
“The ‘message’ to all of you who have not actually served the less priviliged is that the world is not as orderly as you think….”
And your point is what in relationship to the public behavior of these nuns?
Bob S. You hit the nail on the head.
The “message” to all of you who have not actually served the less priviliged is that the world is not as orderly as you think, those of you who have not worked with the poor. Go put on a pair of dungarees, a t shirt, sneakers and live in a slum area for a year. Then come back and tell me how you like it. Until you walk a mile in your brother’s moccasins you have no right to critize those who do the dirty work.
Let me offer a challenge to those so against birth control and abortion in the cases of rape, incest or danger to the women’s life:
Sign a pledge that you will fully, willingly and completely, take in and raise one or more of these unwanted children as your own until they reach majority age.
Perhaps then I would look more kindly on those who talk the talk but cannot or will not walk the walk.
P.S. Pride is in thinking that you are always right and know the mind of God. Only a fool would claim that.
@Matt Thomas
“In my mind, the Bishops’ stunt is distracting from the much more important message being made by the Nuns on the Bus.”
And that “message” is what?
@Thomas
“Reading many of the comments on this article makes me realize that there are many who agree with the hierarchy’s view. Is there a reason beyond “because the bishops say so?”
Yeah. Because the bishops are right in this case and the nuns are wrong. They are just like all those Catholics who are Democrats - morally wrong; they are led not by the Holy Spirit, but by the sin of pride which makes them feel superior to others about who they slander and believe lies.
I wonder how sister voted on the floor amendment yesterday to the Democrat Platform to add God back in the new Platform, and to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel, both of which had been removed from new Democrat Platforms when the convention endorsed the document without a single nay vote. That new Democrat Platform included the most intrinsic evil program for the murder of unborn babies ever. Sister claims those babies are created by God if she recites the Profession of Faith in Mass on Sundays, and prays for God’s will to be done on earth if she prays the Lord’s Prayer standing before Jesus in the Holy Eucharist a short while later during Mass. I wonder if she thinks God is in contradiction with himself - creating life to be aborted? Or perhaps she doesn’t think God is the creator of life after all, in which case she, then, is not a Christian, as that is one of the precepts one must believe to be a Christian.
The bishops have it right!
The nuns represent a portion of the RCC that have become disaffected by the behavior of the church hierarchy. To many of us, it seems that the hierarchy have become more interested in demonstrating their power than in encouraging good works. It is almost as if conforming to the rules coming from Rome has become a greater focus of the bishops and cardinals than in asking us to seek social justice in our communities. For example, the notion that the word changes in the mass will result in a greater spiritual experience is silly. Are we to believe that adhering more closely to the original Latin makes us holier? Who is to say that the original Latin fully captures the divine?
My point is this: the hierarchy seems bent on driving out those who honestly disagree with some of the RCC teachings. Reading many of the comments on this article makes me realize that there are many who agree with the hierarchy’s view. Is there a reason beyond “because the bishops say so?”
I genuinely believe the nuns have it right- the bishops have it wrong.
Funny how Nuns on the Bus is a “stunt” but Fortnight for Freedom isn’t. Weird how that works. In my mind, the Bishops’ stunt is distracting from the much more important message being made by the Nuns on the Bus.
Are they nuns? Where are their habits and why do they speak much? The Carmelite nuns and Dominican sisters would never do what these women are doing. Mother Theresa’s Sisters of Charity did far more for poor.
Frank Galate,
Since you seem to want to say what you want and not stand in the fire, I think that constitutes as immature behavior. Be careful when pointing a finger…
First off, the Democrat Party of old is not the Democrat party now. Many Catholics initially were Democrats because back then their party platform was different. Case in point: Jesse Jackson used to be pro-life. He used to speak against abortion. But, in order to be a “player” in the Democrat party, he had to adopt the party platform. Although Jesse Jackson is not Catholic, it’s an example of how one has to give up their convictions for party in order to BE the party. The niece of Martin Luther King, Alveeta King, is a staunch supporter of pro-life rights. And she recalls her uncle talking about pro-life issues. The NAACP recently came out in favor of same-sex marriage. And I know that being “gay” in the Black community is taboo and looked down upon. So, how an organization that “supposedly” speaks for African-Americans (self-appointed spokes persons, mind you) can make that statement is blasphemous to African-Americans. But the NAACP is in bed with the Democrat Party. So, they have to tow the line - even though they are not in-line with mainstream African-Americans on this issue.
On the Republican side, I’m not 100% convinced that some of the politicians are 100% pro-life. Mitt Romney has a record in Mass of supporting pro-choice legislation. But, he’s speaking the pro-life rhetoric now since he’s the nominee. Only God knows his heart. But, it’s another example of how people will change their views to accomodate to the party. And that’s the point: if you’re going to stay in the party because you truly believe that it holds ALL your convictions to be true, then embrace it wholeheartedly. But, if you choose to remain in the party but disagree with some of the tenets of the platform (i.e. abortion, gay marriage), then you must vow to make every effort to change those agendas. The Democrat Party didn’t always have those agendas, you know. The issues of solving poverty and other things - although noble - do not have the same moral weight as other issues. There are plenty of Democrat politicians who have recently left because they realized that they no longer could do the work they wanted to with the poor and disadvantaged because of the party’s permanent position on these controversial issues. Don’t forget, you can vote for someone other than a Democrat - even though you are a registered Democrat. If there’s another candidate that seems to be more in line with Catholic views and they’re in another party, then you can cast your vote - and you are morally obligated to do so. For example, many Catholics liked Ron Paul more than they did Santorum or Gingrich, both who are Catholic, because they felt he was more in line with Catholic teachings.
And that’s why you don’t let the party shape you: you shape the party. You don’t compromise your principles. Certain issues are what they call “non-negotiables,” meaning that you cannot compromise those. Then other issues, like how to help the poor, can be discussed. There’s many ways to serve the poor. People can disagree on which way would be best. The Democrats, for emample, feel that it’s best served through bigger government. The Republicans feel that the solution to poverty is handled more at the local level (i.e. churches, local organizations) and not a huge centralized, Federal Government. Both are concerned with the poor. But they have different solutions. And there can be legitimat discussion on this. But, other issues cannot be compromised.
Rafael,
You’re an interesting person to say the least, are you a plant for the National Register or just someone well read; but one sided and self-centered with alot of time on your hands? Or possibly a want-to-be politician who needs a life?
I’ll be sure to tell my friends that they can no longer be considered a catholic if they are registered democrats. In fact I think you should suggest to the Romney campaign to do a TV snipet stating just that.
Also, as you recommend catholics should only go to catholic doctors for treatment for fear they suggest medication not approved by the catholic church.
My friend some disagreements, depending on who it’s with and their level of maturity just isn’t worth the effort, this is one of those times. Amen.
@Frank Galate
“Republicans weren’t kept out of the of the documents development. They
didn’t participate for the same reason as any other Obama document. Unless
you guys have it your way there isn’t the least bit of interest. That’s the
way it’s been for the last 3 years. That’s also the reason the country
hasn’t recovered as it could have.”
Democrats controlled the Congress and White House for two years with a 60 vote majority in the Senate. They could pass whatever legislation they wanted. If Obama didn’t get what he wanted, or the Democrats, it was not the fault of the Republicans. The voters gave the Republicans control of the House in 2011 and 2012, and the House has passed 37 job-creating bills and 3 drafted Congressional budgets, two of which passed when the GOP won control of the House. But the Democrats, still in control of the Senate, have refused to even schedule hearings on any of those bills. The Senate Democrats have refused to take up the Republican passed federal budgets, and refused to even prepare one of their own for the past three years. And the federal budget that Obama presented failed to pass the Senate two years running, 99-1. Not even the Democrat Senators voted to pass their leaders budget proposals.
You know, you Democrats crying about not being able to get this country moving again after having total control of it for two years, and 2/3 control the past year and a half, and blaming it on the Republicans, only illustrates that you don’t have the ability to govern for the benefit of the people. You don’t have the solutions to enable our country to thrive again. Either that; or, you are ruining the country intentionally to make more and more people dependent on government handouts thereby locking in a voting block enabling you to be elected year after year just like you have done in cities like Chicago. In either case, it is not moral, and certainly not Catholic. But what do Democra ts care; power is what they are all about and want, even if it means continuing the murder of unborn human beings approaching 56,000,000 to date.
“Republicans weren’t kept out of the of the documents development.”
Are you calling my Congressman a liar? And me? It was common knowledge to anyone who listened to the news while the Democrats were pushing the falsely called “Affordable Care Act” through Congress.
Copy and paste the address below and you will read his exact words in a publication paid for by the taxpayers in 2009. He’s also a church attending Catholic, married with triplets, and who I have seen several times doing his own grocery shopping, pushing a flat bed cart at a local Costco.
http://rohrabacher.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=152661
Truth be told, a pro-life doctor does not prescribe contraceptives for any reason. No one should have to pay for insurance that covers contraceptives.
Claire…....Obamacare may not come right out and state that it condones and covers baby killing and euthanasia, but it allows for both to occur. Abortion is defined as health care. And euthanasia is certain due to lack of resources.
It was written for all Americans alright! One in 10 companies have already announced that they are dropping their health insurance benefit. Most all will follow suit but do not want to cause panic in the ranks until after the election. ALL will soon be on the government dole! I witnessed health care in a major city in Europe last spring! It looked like our hospitals in the 1950’s. If you think you will get the doctor of you choice, you are sadly mistaken! A vote for Obama, is a nail in your COFFIN! Wake up America!!
Frank Galate,
There’s your first mistake: Allowing the Democrat party to shape how you view the issues. As Catholics, we look at issues, not parties. The Catholic Church shapes how we look at issues, not political parties. If a political party is wrong on issues, you have a moral obligation to change the party from within. If not, then you must leave the party. And right now the Democrat Party’s platform is anti-Catholic because it has issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, etc… on their party platform. These are anti-Life issues. So, you cannot be a Democrat. The Republican party is not much better. They have their things, too. But, at least they respect life in the womb and they are pro-family in their party platform and they are for limited government. Unless there is another party that is going to represent these issues better - and has a chance to defeat Obama - then I will support them. But, right now our choices are down to one. I have to vote Republican because a vote for Obama is a vote for death.
Stilbelieve said it well. So, I won’t add to his post.
Employee rights do not superseed the freedom of religion. You don’t have to work for a Catholic employer. Remember: This is a tax, a government imposition on religion. And it is unconstitutional. You will see this HHS mandate get defeated by a MAJORITY rule in the Supreme Court in the same way that it ruled in favor of a religious institution in Hosana vs. Tabor 9-0.
You would use the medicine argument, that because something is “medically necessary, it is therefore moral.” People use marijuana for medical purposes, too. Are we now supposed to fund people’s marijuana use? Contraception use has negative medical consequences long-term, like breast cancer for women.
Claire,
The Pope has not been silent on the healthcare issue:
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=14400
In fact, he also said that it is “irresponsible to pass on debt”.
FYI, The Vatican’s health insurance does not pertain to Italy since the Vatican is its own state. And as you will see they don’t have anti-Catholic things in their plan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Pharmacy
Your memory seems to have lapsed. If you remember, Bart Stupak - a Democrat - was part of the a group of Democrats that were concerned that the Obama plan was going to fund abortions. Obama said he would sign an “executive order” insuring that there would be no Federally finded abortions, which amounted to nothing but a hill of beans because the executive order could not prevent that.
Not matter what “good” you think may come out of this healthcare plan, it will be small in comparison to the evils that will be continued because of the funding for abortion and other anti-life issues. This is not “health care”: This is “DEATH-care.”
stilbelieve,
Republicans weren’t kept out of the of the documents development. They didn’t participate for the same reason as any other Obama document. Unless you guys have it your way there isn’t the least bit of interest. That’s the way it’s been for the last 3 years. That’s also the reason the country hasn’t recovered as it could have.
It’s really interesting how the subject matter here has leaped to Obama. By the way it’s also his fault for the drought in the midwest, as well as the rising temperatures since he’s president.
@Frank Galate
“Obamacare as you republicans call it was written for all americans not specifically for catholics.”
If that is true, why did the Democrats keep the Republicans out of its development when writing it? Republican Congress Members were locked out of the entire process - something that never happened before when drafting a major piece of legislation of this nature.
This is completely a Democrat document creating a program to control the lives of every single American. If the Democrats are the ones who want to keep government out of our bedrooms, why then do they want government to have their hands on our bodies?
Rafael,
I promissed myself that I wouldn’t respond to your Republican self serving comments; but your last comment I can’t refuse to comment. Obamacare as you republicans call it was written for all americans not specifically for catholics. It should be made available for all employees no matter where they are employed. It’s up to the individual what is used under the healthcare plans made available. No one is mandated to use contraceptives. Also remember contraceptives are used for more than one reason. Many women use them purely for medical reasons.
Sorry Rafael, this healthcare program does NOT have abortion or euthanasia. It does have contraception. Most healthcare plans do. You didn’t say anything about the pope’s silence about his universal healthcare in Italy! The link I provided showed healthcare costs in different countries. We are crazy expensive. And worldwide we are something like number 37 in healthcare not number 1! Eventually under Obamacare costs will go down. And the doctor I now have will not change. This is a good thing!!
“...the US is the ONLY industrialized nation not to have universal healthcare”
If people (Democrat legislators, especially) don’t want government in our bedrooms, then why do they want government hands on our bodies?
Claire,
The issue is not whether there should be universal health care or not: It’s that THIS particular healthcare - Obamacare - does not meet the criteria for approval from the Catholic Church because of the funding for abortion, euthanasia - AND the amount of debt that it will incur. And that’s not Catholic. And don’t forget the HHS mandate that’s part of Obamacare. Also, it violates the Catholic principles of subsidiarity. And the fact that the LCWR stands silent on this is appaling - and NOT Christian. You don’t bring about good by doing evil.
Rafael, are you not aware that the US is the ONLY industrialized nation not to have universal healthcare?? All of Europe (including Italy) has universal healthcare. So does Canada, Australia, Japan… I don’t hear Pope Benedict complaining about healthcare in Italy being Communist. In fact Pope Benedict feels healthcare is a right for all people. It’s pro-life. IF you listen to the bishops in the US, one of the things they do not like about Obamacare is that it does not provide healthcare for illegal immigrants. Here’s a link showing what countries have universal healthcare. Click on the map to enlarge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_coverage_by_country
ignatz,
Communism and Christianity are not the same thing.
Claire,
You answer my question by posting an article from a so-called “Catholic” publication? Nice dodge!
You are guilty of confining Christianity to just one passage out of scripture. You’re no different than Protestants who take one passage out of scipture and create a whole denomination out of it.
Do you realize that Communist countries like China, Cuba, and Russia also claim to “take care of the poor” by offering “free” health care and “free” education (more life indoctrination)? Also, are you aware of the “one child” policy in China, where if a woman has more than one child, they kill the baby in the womb - in the name of “health care”? Also, are you aware of the practice of “freedom of religion” in these countries where the State appoints the bishops - and not the Vatican?
[Within a few years these old bags will kick the bucket]
You’re disgusting. If THIS is an example of what “conservative” Catholicism has become, it’s downright Satanic.
How could they detract from it when it’s already a pathetic joke.
Thank GOD for the nuns remembering what Catholics are supposed to be all about, since the Bishops have OBVIOUSLY forgotten.
Claire, that sister’s essay is, as I read it, just dishonest. No one would contest that there are some LCWR members and events that are okay and one can understand they may feel dismayed that everyone is tarred with the same brush. But since the general public was aware of problem activities and beliefs in LCWR surely these members were also aware and yet did not speak out against it? How could leaders of Sisters hear other sisters brazenly public in favor of “women’s ordination” or homosexual behavior or heresy, and not speak up to defend Catholic teaching? Is it really possible none of them were suggesting and advocating for topics related to the right to life of the unborn to be included in LCWR events and materials?
I met Sr Simone and other NETWORK “nuns on the bus” and wrote about it on my blog Laetificat (linked from within this Register article). They are a vivid public illustration that the problems the CDF points to in the doctrinal assessment are real and serious.
Those who have left the Truth behind have many options available to them; those who stay with the Truth have none; that’s why they stay with the Truth.
Claire,
You answer my question by quoting from a so-called “Catholic” magazine???? Nice dodge!
Now I know why people who call themselves Catholic voted for Obama. With reading material like this, it’s no wonder we can’t get a united Catholic vote in this country. You got people - probably like yourself - calling themselves “Catholic” and creating your own version of Catholicism by taking one passage out of the Gospel and creating a whole religion out of it. You’re no different than Protestants who take passages out of scripture - and out of context - and create their own denomination.
Do you realize that China, Russia, Cuba and other Communist countries also claim to “care for the poor” because they offer “free” health and “free” education (more like indoctrination)? EVERYONE in those countries is poor. And have you not heard of the “one child policy” in China, where they kill the babies in the womb (i.e. abortion) if you have more than one? THis is health care! And have you also heard about their “religious freedom,” where the State (i.e. government) controls who gets appointed as bishops in the Catholic Church - and not the Vatican?
This good sister says it well:
http://commonwealmagazine.org/missing-mark
Claire,
First of all, I’m not the one with the proof: It’s the Vatican. Their spokesperson on the matter said the following:
“While there has been a great deal of work on the part of LCWR promoting issues of social justice in harmony with the Church’s social doctrine, it is silent on the right to life from conception to natural death, a question that is part of the lively public debate about abortion and euthanasia in the United States,” the doctrinal congregation said. “Further, issues of crucial importance in the life of the church and society, such as the Church’s biblical view of family life and human sexuality, are not part of the LCWR agenda in a way that promotes Church teaching.”
This is directly coming from the Vatican. So, the proof is not mine to give. If you want proof, ask the Vatican.
Secondly, you’re not really interested in proof because you are blinding yourself to what they are doing and unjustly criticizing anyone who calls them out. They - the nuns - are the ones who brought the negative attention to themselves.
Thirdly, why can’t you answer the question I posed? Don’t skirt the issue.
Rafael, so you have no proof. The nuns are still doing God’s will and following the two great commandments to love God with your whole heart and soul. Second to love your neighbor as yourself. These nuns feed, clothe, take care of the sick. They are taking care of God’s children.
Claire,
You can stand with the nuns all you want because if you want to continue to be in denial, then no amount of proof will convince you otherwise. You’re going to “stand with the nuns” even if I bring enough proof. But I will ask you this: What is the difference between these nuns “helping out the poor” and atheists helping out the poor? Or anti-Christians helping out the poor? Communism makes the same claim that you’re making: They help the poor. So, what distinguishes what the nuns are doing and from what atheists, communists, and secular humanists are doing when they do the same work? There are many atheists, humanitarians, and non-beleivers helping the poor and involved in humanitarian causes.
Rafael, give me proof, not just another article, that the nuns are advocating for abortion. I stand with the nuns!
Nuns on the Bus’ Media Stunt Detracts From Bishops’ Fortnight for Freedom
Do you really think that the media outlets who covered the Nun stunt were going to cover the Fortnight anyway ?
Claire,
There is NO CONTRADICTION to what the Bishops are saying and doing by praying the rosary and caring for the poor: It’s BOTH the Corporal Works of Mercy(needs of the “corpus” = body) AND the Spiritual Works of Mercy. Next time please put BOTH of them up. I’ve taken the liberty of doing it for you since you conveniently left them out:
The Seven Spiritual Works of Mercy:
1.To admonish the sinner: “...there will be more joy in Heaven at the repentance of one sinner than at ninety-nine of the righteous who had no need of repentance.” Lk. 15:7
2.To instruct the ignorant: “Go into the whole world and proclaim the good news to all creation.” Mk. 16:1
3.To counsel the doubtful: “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you…Let not your hearts be troubled…” Jn. 14:27
4.To comfort the sorrowful: “Come to me, all you grown weary and burdened, and I will refresh you.” Mt. 11:28
5.To bear wrongs patiently: “...Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you.” Lk. 6:27-28
6.To forgive all injuries: “And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” Mt. 6:12
7.To pray for the living and the dead: “Father, I desire that they, too, may be with me where I am…” Jn. 17:24
And you’re terribly WRONG about the nuns not promoting abortion. That’s why the Vatican got on their case to begin with because they are promoting other things besides abortion that does not constitute health care (i.e. embryonic stem-cell research, euthanasia, distribution of contraceptions and abortafacients, etc…). The article below spells it out in more detail:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-major-reform-of-american-women-religious-group/
And NO, you’re not “honoring ALL life” by promoting abortion and other anti-life issues. You’re contradicting yourself by beginning your statement saying “all life is sacred from conception to natural death” and then concluding your paragraph by saying that these nuns are “taking care of the living” by promoting abortion and anti-life public policies. You cannot claim to be taking care of somebody’s body and at the same time neglecting their soul by promoting sinful behaviors and practices. These nuns are deliberately defying the Vatican by their own admission. They think they are the purveyors of moral teaching and not the Bishops. If it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, Christianity would not exist!!! They owe a debt of gratitude to the Catholic Church and instead they are spitting at it.
Rafael, all life if sacred! The bishops preach and say the rosary to end abortion. The nuns take care of these new babies and their families after they are born. All life is sacred from conception to natural death. Without care people die. We need people feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, healing the sick. This is what Jesus said! The nuns are doing God’s will. They are not promoting abortion, they are taking care of the living, honoring ALL life.
http://www.catholicbible101.com/thebasics.htm
The Seven Corporal Works of Mercy.
To feed the hungry: “For I was hungry and you gave me to eat.” Mt. 25:35
To give drink to the thirsty: “...I was thirsty and you gave me to drink…” Mt. 25:35
To clothe the naked: “I was…naked and you clothed me…” Mt. 25:36
To visit the imprisoned: “I was in prison and you came to me.” Mt. 25:36
To shelter the homeless: “...I was a stranger and you took me in…” Mt. 25:35
To visit the sick: “...I was sick and you cared for me…” Mt. 25:36
To bury the dead: “Amen, I say to you, insofar as you did it for one of these least of my brothers, you did it for me.” Mt. 25:40
Most of you miss the truth, so you can feel good about slamming these Sisters. Nuns are cloistered Sisters are extern. The Bishop’s created this cauldron of apostasy in the 60s and 70s. Let them whine until they repent we will have no relief or true leadership until they admit their errors and publicly proclaim them as loudly as they did back then. The whole body is covered with this infection, not just one part but all! Deep and constant contemplitve prayer before our King is what is required here, not whining about having the spotlight taken off of one by another.
Linda,
“Take off your blinders and condemn both the sisters (whom YOU say condone abortions - I challenge you to find ONE, just ONE, who thinks that way - bet you can’t!) and priest who abuse children.”
I guess I lost the bet because I didn’t find “one”: I found a WHOLE ORGANIZATION OF THEM: Here’s a link to an article CONFIRMING MANY nuns “who think that way”:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-major-reform-of-american-women-religious-group/
Linda,
BOTH are grievous sins. The Catechism teaches that abuse is wrong, too. But - proportionatly speaking - the sexual abuse of children are NOT KILLING 1.4 MILLION CHILDREN EVERY YEAR!!!! The Catholic Church has dealt with the issues of sexual absue. But the media covers up the sins of the schools and other people because their aim to take away the moral authority of the Catholic Church BY ONLY ATTACKING the Catholic Church in the way that it has. And right now, abortion is a more greivous sin because the ONLY reason you can say that abuse is wrong is because you got your moral lenses from Christianity. Did you know there is an organization that promotes the sexual relationship between men and boys? Check it out for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
And you also miss the BIG picture: The Catholic Church has also offered the MOST compassion to those vicitms of sexual abuse, which in turn fosters healing. You cannot heal from abortion because you’re DEAD!!! Abuse is a grave sin. The vicitms of abuse, like the victims of any crime, can experience the love of God DESPITE being victims of heinous crimes. And that’s because Jesus won the victory over sin. If you read the lives of some of the saints you will see that many were victims of horrific deaths and torture and abuse. And they overcame these through the victory of Jesus on the cross. So, don’t go telling me that that it’s not possible for the vicitms to receive healing. Did you know that the Catholic Church also offers the MOST compassion to those women who have experienced abortions? Not Planned Parenthood!!!!
I think your hate towards Catholicism “blinds” you to truth. It’s never good to be in a position AGAINST something, rather FOR something. Being a Catholic means to stand FOR TRUTH, FOR CHRIST. Being anti-Catholic means you’re standing AGAINST something with no basis for truth - just hate…
Potemkin Village Tour, designed to deceive, as those sweet ladies have been deceived. Pity. I was actually protesting the USCCB’s funding of leftist causes right next to those “nuns” in ATL, at the Bishop’s conference. The media always (conveniently?) misses the story; I wonder if they even have a clue? (even when you tell them the story, as I did). Back to warm-fuzzy sleep, America….Good News….we all get to die & get to know the Truth.
Deep sleep.
@Holly
“I’m anti-abortion but otherwise liberal. Although I’d like to see abortion end, I cannot accept that it is a more important issue than caring for people already born.”
Why can’t you “accept” it?
Here is what Pope John Paul II had to say about “it.” He knows a little about the bible and the catechism.
“The inviolability of the person which is a reflection of the absolute
inviolability of God, finds its primary and fundamental expression of the inviolability of human life. Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights - for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture - is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition of all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination.” (Christifidels Laici - The Vocation and the Mission of the Lay Faithful in the Church and in the World 1988)
The emotions we have for caring for others are “justly made.” But putting them into perspective, they are “false and illusory…IF(my emphasis) the right to life…is not defended with maximum determination.” He says the “right to life” is the “most basic and fundamental right and the condition of all other personal rights.” You are an instrument of God’s love and it starts with the new life inside you. Your love for that new life, innocent life, is paramount in order to have real love and caring for others. You are a key and vital process in the miracle of life. That process needs to be honored. It isn’t just a biological happening incidental to life. If the weakest, most innocent among us is not worth fighting for “with maximum determination,” then nobody is worth fighting for, because our caring for them more is “false and illusory.” It is “perspective,” dear Holly, “perspective.”
Rafael, You have on BLINDERS and can see only ONE sin. I will be the first to admit is is a very grave sin, but I believe that the abuse of children is, and will always be, equally as great as abortion because both involve the destroying of life. I can see by your response that you deflect the “sins” of the priest and bishops by pointing to the “sins” of others - non catholic ministers and even Penn State! Does that minimize or make it OK for the priest to abuse and the bishops to hide the abusers??? You appear to be saying that the ABUSE, remember it is ABUSE, by priests and bishops is OK because the number is small. I do not think the ABUSED or their PARENTS or SPOUSES would agree with you. Abuse of children and abortion are both enormous sins and one is NOT greater than the other. Take off your blinders and condemn both the sisters (whom YOU say condone abortions - I challenge you to find ONE, just ONE, who thinks that way - bet you can’t!) and priest who abuse children. BOTH as a grievous sin.
Holly,
Below is a link to an explanation of ALL the life issues - including euthanasia, international homicide, etc… and their Catechsim references:
http://www.priestsforlife.org/magisterium/catechismonabortion.htm
It is also in the Bible. But the Bible is not a self-interpreting book. As far as your comments go for “one right way to be Catholic,” there are many denominations that hold themselves out as Christians. Do you know that there are in the area of 33,000 different Christian denomionations? Which one is right? There are many who call themselves Christians. But, which one has the fulness of truth? How do you know which one is Jesus’ church? If you were going to be a Baptist, let’s say, and you began to talk about infant baptism, you could not be a Baptist. If you showed me a burger from McDonalds and told me that it was from Burger King, you would have to prove it and show me its authenticity. If I buy someone a ring from Tiffany’s and they find out it’s fake, don’t you think they would be upset? These nuns are free to help the poor in the way that they see fit. They just can’t use the Catholic label. That’s all we’re saying.
As far was whether God will punish someone, you’re right: Neither you nor I know who He will judge. That’s what it means to be non-judgemental - not to judge someone’s soul, where they will spend eternity. But, Jesus spoke a lot about what things (i.e. behaviors, thought, actions) He judges abhorent. And it is in our best interest to avoid them - if we truly seek Heaven. I’m not in the business of taking chances with my salvation. He told the woman caught in adultery: “Go, and sin no more.” He forgave her. But told her to “sin no more,” meaning that she knew not to continue that practice. So, she is required to JUDGE whether she will continue practicing adultery or not. Jesus consistently spoke about repentance and turning away from sin - making judgement calls about our behaviors and thoughts. In fact, He spoke about this topic more than any other topic - even helping the poor.
As far as interpreting truth, your statement leads one to believe that truth is relevant, meaning that it’s whatever you want it to be. If that is the case - that truth is whatever you want it to be - then how do you know that something is wrong or right? If I steal from a store because I think it’s OK to do that, then I should not be punished or judged, right? How do we know that abuse is wrong? Even non-Christians recognize that it’s not good to abuse someone. But, whose “truth” is dictating that? The reason why a lot of people hate the Catholic Church is because it dares to proclaim certain things that are not popular in this day and age. The Church does not force anyone to be a member. But, if you chose to be a member, then you must agree to follow its rules. If I voluntarily agree to work for an employer, I’m obligated to follow their rules. If I misrepresent that employer, I am liable to be terminated from that company.
Rafael, could you kindly point out to me where in the catechism it says the abortion issue takes the most importance out of all issues? I know it’s not anywhere in the Bible, but it’s possible there’s something about it in the catechism that I haven’t seen yet.
I feel like you and many of the other posters here believe that there is only one right way to be Catholic and it is coincidentally just like you. Several posters here have called for the nuns’ ex-communication and made statements about how God will punish them, but how can you know that? You are not God and a little humility would certainly serve you well.
People who question the teachings of the Catholic church as presented by the Register don’t hate “the truth” as you put it, we just interpret it differently. Much as it would seemingly pain you to admit, only God can decide if those of us with different interpretations deserve to burn if we’re wrong.
Linda,
“What a pity you have all seemed to zero in one one issue - abortion.”
That’s because all issues do not have the same moral weight. The Right to Life is the first right above. And although sexual abuse is also an intrinsic evil, it does not even come close to the abortion issue in terms of numbers. Show me the most cases of sexual abuse and it will NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to the amount of children being aborted every year.
“Have you forgotten about the priest and BISHOPS who have abused children and destroyed them for life? I’d say these men were guilty of abortion.
Rafael, you speak of the WHOLE TRUTH. Where is it on this issue? Have you added this MALE factor into your tirade? The sisters may not be the only ones guilt of scandal. A bus ride and abusing children do not fall into the same category, do they? I’d sit with the nuns on a bus any day before I’d sit with some of the priest and bishops. You want to talk about the WHOLE TRUTH - include them into your equation and the nuns come out pretty darn good! These sisters on the bus have not destroyed children’s lives forever like many members of the clergy and some bishops. Why excuse their behavior? That’s a bigger scandal for me then nuns riding a bus! Who cares what they are wearing - at least they are not abusing children or hiding the abuse or abuser.!”
It’s easy to point the finger at the Catholic Church in the issue of sexual abuse. But, where are the fingers being pointed to the public schools or the other non-Catholic ministers that abuse children? In the Catholic Church it was less than 2% of the priests. In other denominations, it’s reported at more than 10%. And what’s their excuse???? They’re married!!! Case in point: Penn State University. In the public schools there are many cases of women sexually abusing boys. But they’re protected by the unions. Most of the cases in the Catholic Church of priest sex abuse were either to pre-pubescent boys or adolescent boys - not children under 6 years of age, which is what pedophelia is. And the grand majority of the cases were same-sex abuse, which makes it sin of homosexuality.
I know you’re just trying to skirt the issue here and canonize these nuns who may - or may not - have abused children. You don’t know that for a fact. But the fact that you can make a case for sexual abuse being a GREATER sin than abortion is an emphasis on how poorly catechized most Catholics and non-Catholics are. The reason why you’re even bringing up the issue of sexual abuse is because it’s a violation against human dignity. One can heal from sexual abuse and live a life filled with joy and love and even be committed to Christ for the rest of their lives. You can’t say the same for one who has had their life snuffed out in the womb. Human Dignity begins in the womb. And the moment someone else gets to decide when and where human dignity begins that’s not in accordance with this (i.e euthanasia), then that’s the moment when anyone can be smitted because you’ve just eliminated the understanding that ALL peoples are created in the image and likeness of God. It’s about the culture of life vs the culture of death.
Linda,
Thank you!
What a pity you have all seemed to zero in one one issue - abortion. Have you forgotten about the priest and BISHOPS who have abused children and destroyed them for life? I’d say these men were guilty of abortion.
Rafael, you speak of the WHOLE TRUTH. Where is it on this issue? Have you added this MALE factor into your tirade? The sisters may not be the only ones guilt of scandal. A bus ride and abusing children do not fall into the same category, do they? I’d sit with the nuns on a bus any day before I’d sit with some of the priest and bishops. You want to talk about the WHOLE TRUTH - include them into your equation and the nuns come out pretty darn good! These sisters on the bus have not destroyed children’s lives forever like many members of the clergy and some bishops. Why excuse their behavior? That’s a bigger scandal for me then nuns riding a bus! Who cares what they are wearing - at least they are not abusing children or hiding the abuse or abuser.!
Frank Galate - “For some reason I was with the impression that priests were in the business of saving souls. That’s the reason for their ordination, in addition to representing Christ while hearing confession and offering mass. Things that women in the church aren’t permitted to do.”
Um, no. Every religious person is in the business of saving souls and yes, that includes nuns too. It’s the sole reason why contemplative orders exists. And when a nun stop caring about the souls to become a “social worker”, well that’s just a disgrace for the Church and a betrayal of God.
No one does a better job of covering the nuns than Ann Carey. She is factual and fair.
I am saddened to read these comments that critize the sisters. What gives anyone of us the right to judge their lives or the path that each one has chosen to attain sainthood. When did the habib become so important for all you people? How much have you supported these women who have dedicated their lives to doing good for others? Since when do the clothes make the person? God, I am so sad to read all these judgmental comments from people who have NO IDEA of religious olife except whatYOU think it should be. How dare you call the sisters “Dissident nuns” and say the have “created scandal” for those “faithful” loyal to the church. Shame on all of you for judging! Did Jesus not say “Judge not…” I think it is sad, very sad to read these comments. Our Church is defintely faling apart, but I don’t blame that attitude on the sisters, I see an awful lot of vile and destructive attitudes in the comments made by “good Chritian/Catholics”
Frank Galate,
“Rafael, so what your inferring in your email is that the balance of religious women outside of Mother Theresa’s order that serve the church are a waste? WOW, now there’s a statement that certainly can be refuted and as well is hurtful.”
No. I’m simply saying these are women who are being portrayed a nuns like any other group of nuns. And that’s not an accurate portrayal. And that’s what’s REALLY hurtful! But they are victims of poor catechesis also. What is a waste is to say that as a “Catholic” nun you are portraying Catholic teachings and in reality you are not.
“For some reason I was with the impression that priests were in the business of saving souls. That’s the reason for their ordination, in addition to representing Christ while hearing confession and offering mass. Things that women in the church aren’t permitted to do.”
It isn’t the priets that saves souls: It’s Jesus! And Jesus established a Church by means to receive that slavation. And Jesus DID NOT ordain women to that role. That does not mean that they can’t contribute in a tremendous way to that process. I am not a priest. And yet I have the same calling as a priest to help lead others to Christ: WE ALL are by virute of our baptism. I cannot bear children. But that does not exclude from the process of raising children. A man’s role is just as important as a woman’s role in the rearinf of children. Different gifts - Same responsibility.
“What do priests do in today’s environment on a daily basis, since most of the local churches have been consolidated or closed?”
They got assigned to different parishes that remained open. Some of them retired because they were at that age. But, they are still active in their role as priest because you are still called to be a priest - always. In other words, they are not without a job. The Bishop of the area just gives them new assigments.
What a pity the dissident nuns create so much scandal for those faithful nuns that were always loyal to the Church in every respect.
I think we need to pray for these so-called nuns and all those they’ve managed to mislead - they’ll have much to account for. One thing though, for all the donation requests I get from them - they’re out of luck. I donate to the faithful orders. Let these dry up and go away soon.
Bill Kells, you might try anger management, you do have issues.
Rafael, so what your inferring in your email is that the balance of religious women outside of Mother Theresa’s order that serve the church are a waste? WOW, now there’s a statement that certainly can be refuted and as well is hurtful.
For some reason I was with the impression that priests were in the business of saving souls. That’s the reason for their ordination, in addition to representing Christ while hearing confession and offering mass. Things that women in the church aren’t permitted to do.
What do priests do in today’s environment on a daily basis, since most of the local churches have been consolidated or closed?
Holly,
“Regarding the statements above that “there’s no such thing as liberal vs conservative Catholics…either you’re Catholic or you’re not” - I’ve been reading them in the 3 years since I converted to Catholicism and they pretty much made me realize that the Catholic church is only a tightly closed clique in which freedom of thought is not permissible.”
If you truly read the Catholic teaching, you will find that there is no contradiction to what is being said here.
“I’m anti-abortion but otherwise liberal. Although I’d like to see abortion end, I cannot accept that it is a more important issue than caring for people already born.”
Answer me this: Do you know why the right to life is the SINGLE MOST important issue BEFORE ALL OTHER ISSUES?
“When I joined the Catholic church I thought there was a place for me, but the past 3 years of reading the Register and Catholic blogs have shown me I was wrong. You’re all convinced that you’ve got a direct hotline to God and He will coincidentally share all your views, which is not only arrogant but is spoken against in the Bible. I don’t even want to be Catholic anymore if your anger and complete lack of charity toward the already-born is any indication of what this religion is, and in fact I haven’t attended mass in months. The only reason I still read here is to be reminded of why I’m leaving: because being Catholic is apparently about judging others and remaining constantly angry about the people you deem wrong. What a hateful, judgmental religion - and I wish I would’ve known that before I converted. Just remember when you condemn those people with whom you disagree that many who were labeled as “heretics” we’re later granted sainthood. Despite your arrogance and egotism it’s possible - even probable - that Gos won’t judge you kindly for trying to do his job.”
I’m truly sorry for your negative experience(s) since becoming a Catholic. But, I will say that it sounds like you never really understood the FULL meaning of being Catholic. If for you the reason for becoming Catholic was to do good for others, then you don’t have to be Catholic to do that. If it’s because it says in the Bible that one shouldn’t judge, it’s not the Catholic Church who is saying that: It’s everyone else who is judging the Catholic Church AND Her teachings that’s saying that. It’s just as judgemental for someone to say “don’t judge,” when particularly this statement of “don’t judge” is TOTALLY being taken out of context. Despite their claims for being “tolerant” and “non-judgemental”, the liberal and elites in the media and academic cricles are the MOST INTOLLERANT and MOST JUDGEMENTAL of them all. They are the ones who are trying to silence opposing points of view. Opposing points of view are always welcome for discussion. But, their arguments do not stand up to sound Christian arguments and therefore they must be silenced according to them. But as Catholics, Jesus calls us to love them, too. But we love by giving them TRUTH. It’s their disdain of TRUTH - namley Jesus - that they can’t stand.
godsfight,
“....There are many activities for evangelization going on simultaneously—that doesn’t mean they are in competition. Abortion is an issue with many “mothers” (roots) and poverty is only one of them.”
I don’t know if I would call the “Nuns on the Bus” “evangelization” since it is promoting abortion and other non-Catholic things. Evangelization is when you bring the WHOLE gospel.
Frank Galate,
“The sisters of the catholic church, in my opinion, have done an outstanding job in representing the church and it’s teachings, the first one of which has always been to care for the poor. If you listen to the church’s directives of late, that is now a bad thing and rather they should be concerned with who is marrying one another. Get real, people are entitled to being themselves no matter what the church teaches or thinks. Help where help is appreciated and needed.”
If you read the Church teachings you will actually find out that they fall VERY SHORT. So, I don’t know which Catholic Church you are referring to. When working for the poor, you need to look at their spiritual needs as well. If oyu’re looking for nuns that do an outstanding work with the poor, then look to Mother Theres’a order. There you will find a group of nuns truly living out the Catholic teachings.
Linda,
“...It appears to be impossible for you to acknowledge all the good they do, and that is too bad. Do you honestly think the sisters did the bus tour to upstage the bishops? What gives you the right to judge their motivation in such a negative way? Is this something you might personally do? I thnk the sisters were motivated by a higher ideal. If you spent a little time rtesearching NETWORK, you would find they are always advocating for the right of the poor. I don’t think they gave the bishops a second thought. My money is on the Sisters who have integrity, and better things to do than right a bus just to upstage bishops!”
When you advocate for abortion, you cancel out any good that you do. When working for the Church, you must represent the WHOLE teaching of the Church - not just one aspect. You can work for the poor under any name you want. But, if you’re going to do it under the Catholic name, then you have to represent the WHOLE Catholic teaching. And the writer’s point is that they’re not.
Stephen,
“OK. These sisters have clearly spent their lives working for the poor and the sick to further their own agenda. And what is that agenda? That we as Christians are called on to care for the poor and the sick!”
You need to look at the WHOLE of Christianity - not just ONE aspect of Christianity. Christianity is about saving souls FIRST. ANYONE can care for the poor and the sick. But that does not make them Christian.
Yes, Judas was concerned about the poor.And he acted upon his rejection of the Lord’s teachings. These “nuns” are “unmarried social workers”.Period. They have no respect for the vow of obedience and they are in tuned with the world, not with the Lord and His Church. I wonder- did they stop to pray and meditate during the bus tour? Are they now so busy with their “social work” and media exposure that they have no time for spiritual growth? They are passed their prime time. They have failed to attract vocations…“Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, ‘May no fruit ever come from you again.’ And inmediately the fig tree withered.” (Mathew 21,19)Sister Simone and the others should meditate on this Gospel passage: the fig tree had plenty of leaves, but no fruit…What will the Lord say to them?...Interesting too about this passage: the fig tree was “by the road”...The Lord’s words will never pass…These so call nuns/social workers will pass!
I had a long, rambling post on why these nuns and other failures of the Catholic Church were tearing us apart and then I remembered that God is still in charge here. Not you, not me…..None of this is going un-noticed by the Creator. We are still in good hands.
Hold on to your Catholic faith.
This bumpy ride ends well.
Ric Dykstra - Read the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition”. Catholics are required to form their conscience based upon the Bible and the CCC from the Magisterium. Not upon public opinion or relativism or secularism - Catholics may not pick and choose what they want to believe.
These Nuns are socialists or communists and wrong when it comes to: Commutative Justice, thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods, thou shall not kill (abortion/contraception), and thou shall not steal.
Jesus never taught “forced” giving to the poor.
Frank Galate, where can I find your statement regarding Church teaching that - - “the FIRST one of which has always been to care for the poor”? Your understanding is heretical.
It is not one of the 10 Commandments, nor the one of the two Commandments given by Jesus.
With Medicaid, food stamps, housing allowances, etc, etc, the poor in the USA are being taken care of.
Please read in the Bible from St. Paul - 1 THESS 4:11-12 and 2 THESS 3:6-10. Dependancy upon the government for able bodied persons is sloth (a capital sin) and slavery.
CCC: QUOTE ” 2411 Contracts are subject to commutative justice which regulates exchanges between persons and between institutions in accordance with a strict respect for their rights.
Commutative justice obliges strictly; it requires safeguarding property rights, paying debts, and fulfilling obligations freely contracted.
Without commutative justice, no other form of justice is possible.
One distinguishes commutative justice from legal justice which concerns what the citizen owes in fairness to the community, and from distributive justice which regulates what the community owes its citizens in proportion to their contributions and needs.” UNQUOTE
You would be more correct to state that justice requires the payment of debts and the USA, States, Local governments, and all persons should pay their debts. - Why the Bishops and Nuns do not state this, I do not know. They don’t preach against laziness either.
Ann, what a well researched and balanced article! When the sisters took off their habits they left religious life in droves and vocations became non-existent. Today the Religious Order who wear habits and the Cloistered Community are alive with spiritually committed women applicants. I pray for these sisters that they will be faithful to our Lord.
Reading some of these comments by WWJD, and others, I cannot help but detect a hint of hatred, and disdain for the authority of the Church. These persons seem to be throwing everything except the kitchen sink to the authority of the Church. Your heart seems to be filled with hate, just come out with it and say it. It reminds me of when I was in the military, I often wondered about members that had volunteer to enter into the military that seemed to hate the concept. They hated the uniforms, the short hair, the regulations, etc. and were not afraid to be open about it. I thought, why does one join the military if one does not like its concept. I found it puzzling. Oh, you want to change it from the inside you say? How? First you must reach a post of authority to do that. How can one reach a post of authority in an organization that one seems to openly disrespect? Oh, you are going to take it to the streets? Well, you don’t need to be a nun to do that. Please, know that my heart is filled with love for you when I say this. “Blessed Mother Theresa did more to further the Church and to win the hearts and minds of millions of non believers than any protesting marches could ever do. Try wearing the habit in the steaming filthy conditions of Calcutta while holding up in your arms the sickest of the sickest. Now that is sacrifice worthy of Sainthood. Is it not Sainthood the goal of every Catholic? Especially for nuns and priests? When did it become okay not to pursue Sainthood? I must have been sleeping when this announcement was made. The sad truth is that these nuns traveling in air conditioned buses, wearing comfortable and fashionable apparel could never hold the candle to Blessed Mother Theresa. You are a misguided flock. You have lost your way and you need a Shepherd to herd you back in the right direction. You mission must be Sainthood and nothing else. You know better than most what it takes to be a Saint. You know that it will take everything you have. Now go out there and find a way do it.
When I see a nun fashionably dressed up and made up with jewelry, I cannot help but think that the visual message she is sending is stronger than anything she has to say. She is visually saying that she is a nun but…. She is saying that she is individualistic, that she plays by her own rules, that she is part of something that is bigger than her but only if it suits her. She is the modern woman. Why does the Church tolerate this type of thing is beyond me. Nuns that seem to go against the Church authority when is convenient seem to go against the very reason why a nun becomes a nun. Somebody please educate me. Why does a nun become a nun? Is there an oath that she must take? Does she sacrifice worldly possessions and promises obedience to the Church? I am at a loss here.
The most alarming quote to stand out, in my mind, was from the nun leading this bus tour. She says…“some guy”...
When referring to the Pope. I’ve not met him either, but the dismissive and banal reference to the Pope as some guy, suggests more at work here. A comment like that speaks volumes when the accusation is that they dont teach or understand Catholic doctrine. Sounds like she validated the claims made by the commission.
I am a practicing Catholic. My Aunt and Great Aunt were both Sisters of
Mercy in Portland, Maine. My Aunt Carol,who I knew well, was a Nun for 52 years. She was a gentle sole with a backbone of steel.
About two years before her death we went out to dinner in Portland. I remember there was another older nun with us who was from Bangor.
She gently ripped apart the crowd that was taking over the Sisters of Mercy. I remember she referred to some as “Catholic Social Workers”.
I know she was glad to be rid of the old rigid habits (literally) but they went so far the other way that the Catholic identity and obedient relations with the church was tempered with anger. At first it was not anger then it went to anger as illustrated by the Nuns on the bus.
Every time I drive down Stephens avenue in Portland and look at the former mother house I am reminded of where we are and where we must go.
In Christ
Mike Flanagan
Regarding the statements above that “there’s no such thing as liberal vs conservative Catholics…either you’re Catholic or you’re not” - I’ve been reading them in the 3 years since I converted to Catholicism and they pretty much made me realize that the Catholic church is only a tightly closed clique in which freedom of thought is not permissible. I’m anti-abortion but otherwise liberal. Although I’d like to see abortion end, I cannot accept that it is a more important issue than caring for people already born. When I joined the Catholic church I thought there was a place for me, but the past 3 years of reading the Register and Catholic blogs have shown me I was wrong. You’re all convinced that you’ve got a direct hotline to God and He will coincidentally share all your views, which is not only arrogant but is spoken against in the Bible. I don’t even want to be Catholic anymore if your anger and complete lack of charity toward the already-born is any indication of what this religion is, and in fact I haven’t attended mass in months. The only reason I still read here is to be reminded of why I’m leaving: because being Catholic is apparently about judging others and remaining constantly angry about the people you deem wrong. What a hateful, judgmental religion - and I wish I would’ve known that before I converted. Just remember when you condemn those people with whom you disagree that many who were labeled as “heretics” we’re later granted sainthood. Despite your arrogance and egotism it’s possible - even probable - that Gos won’t judge you kindly for trying to do his job.
I remember when the nuns left their convents and went to live in different
apartments. In my hometown we had nuns living in three different apartments instead of a convent. We had a Catholic School with grade
1-6. One of the nuns was the prinicipal and one other taught 5th grade
and she identified as a nun by wearing her habit. Where were the others?
We had lay people teaching the other grades. Later the school expanded to
eight grades but no nuns in sight. Maybe this is a blessing because so
many nuns in my state (Vermont) are so liberal that our children would
not get the solid othodox catholic education that they are entitled to.
Regarding the Fortnight For Freedom event in my parish a notice was placed
in the bulletin that prayer cards were placed in the back for anyone who
to pick them up. Most of them are still there. I was led to believe that
the parishoners were supposed to pray this prayer together after Mass
from between June 12 and July 4th. This did not happen. Talk about a
half-hearted neffort
“Serving the poor” is admirable, obviously. But posters here who mention that make no mention of the extreme seriousness of defending sin and of ignoring the non-negotiables of the Church. How can anyone who claims to be Catholic miss those?
I don’t understand why, if this is not politics (which I believe it is), don’t such nuns leave the Church for another denomination? They certainly should realize, I would think, what the Church teaches, and so wouldn’t they realize they are in serious error?
Lin hits the nail on the head. This is used by the Left for a political agenda, and hey—what a ‘coincidence,’ it is an election year, isn’t it—and religion is a key issue.
It is despicable for nuns who say they took the veil to serve and obey the leaders of the Catholic Church to demonstrate against that Church, interfere with the execution of the Fort Night of Prayer and give comfort to the enemies of the Church in the government and the media. Their protest should result in a quick excommunication without hesitation. This is what we get when the Church is too lenient to vocal groups who question its authority. This is an unwelcome distraction from the important coming election.I heard that about 50% of Catholics are not supportig the Church in its fight for freedom.It’s time for the Church leaders to review conscience formulation with the flock to make sure that individuals have followed the corrct procedure conforming to the guidance of the Magisterium. I have not seen any action such as this at my parish level. The Fort Night prayers should be kept up until we see victory for our goal of religious justice.
I believe that much of what you quote from the main media is spin. They often misinterpret Catholic life/actions. They look for sensationalism. My understanding is that the Nuns’ Bus Tour was undertaken with the blessing of their overseer, Bishop Sartain. As for me, I never noticed if they were in competition with the Bishops’ Fortnight for Freedom. I followed both with great interest. There are many activities for evangelization going on simultaneously—that doesn’t mean they are in competition. Abortion is an issue with many “mothers” (roots) and poverty is only one of them. God’s blessings.
I wonder at the insulting comments from some of the “good” Catholics. Apparently “conscience be your guide” just doesn’t cut it for some and blind following is the preferred way.
The Church has changed many times (not voluntarily). Remember when you were taught that only Catholics would go to heaven unless they had that last minute conversion. That changed big time. Remember some of the rejected teaching of Thomas Aquinas.
How about the question of why is it OK for artificial drugs be used by men to influence potency but drugs for contraception cannot be used by women. A bit one sided, I think, and neither subject was discussed by Jesus. We are Christians and should practice what Jesus taught. Love.
Was the “Fortnight for Freedom” trying to call the attention from the judgement of Msgr. William Lynn? I am a Catholic and our Church needs a urgent reform. Celibacy optional for parish priests, please, before the situation gets worst.
By MaryClaire Dale, Associated Press / June 22, 2012
Monsignor William Lynn was found guilty on Friday in a Philadelphia court of one count of endangering the welfare of a child, making him the highest-ranking U.S. Roman Catholic official convicted in the church child sex abuse scandal.
Spending time with the poor will not save you. Helping the poor will not save you. Having a heart for the poor will not save you. Believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of your life is what will save you. And *then*, having believed, to follow Him, and to serve the poor in Him is how we work out our salvation.
The same Jesus Christ who established the Church and called us to be faithful to Him through His Church. The same Jesus Christ who called us to love and serve the poor.
It’s both / and. We have to be faithful to Christ in His Church *and* we have to serve the poor. It’s not either / or. We can’t say we’re being faithful Catholics if we live out the virtues that have to do with life and marriage and sexuality, while turning our backs on the unfortunate and the needy. And we can’t say we’re serving Christ if we do good things for the poor and needy, while treating those fundamental virtues with contempt and with disdain, while contradicting and disparaging the direction of the shepherds that Providence has provided.
No. No. No, and no.
I am not a “good” Christian when I say Jesus saved me and I got mine, what’s your problem. No. And I am not a “good” Christian if I hand over my body to be burned, but hold in contempt the authority of Christ’s own representatives.
No. You don’t get to pick and choose in bits and pieces. When you say you want Jesus for your Lord and Savior, you don’t get to pick an arm here and a leg there. I like that eye, but the ears you can keep. No. You have to choose the entire Lord, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. All the Majesty, all the glory, all the Love, all the Sacrifice, the Cross, the thorns, the Resurrection. All the rules. All the commands. Everything.
To the extent that the Nuns on the Bus have indicated their support for forcing Catholic institutions to pay for the use of contraceptives and abortifacients, they spit on Jesus Christ, and I don’t care how many soup kitchens they operate. They can provide feasts fit for kings to starving orphans, but if they spit on my Jesus, then I will not hold them to be role models or women worthy of my support. They will be answerable to God for their sacrilege.
If the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of unworthy bishops, it is also paved with the skulls of dissident religious.
@Frank Galate
“Get real, people are entitled to being themselves no matter what the church teaches or thinks.”
Well, I wonder what chapter and verse of the Bible Frank found that teaching in. Anybody know?
I do not profess to know what is in the head or heart of these nuns, but CLEARLY, they were used by the left and the Democrats!!! And the bishops have acknowledged their failure to catechize. But we all bear the responsibility for catechesis!!! Our religious need our prayers, especially the nuns who have lost their way.
A post I read today said there is no such thing as conservative Catholics or liberal Catholics. You are either Catholic or you are NOT!
To all those who blithely criticise the author of this article for her views, please take note that Ann Carey DOES have quite a bit of authority to write on this topic. She has done a lot of research on nuns who have decided to defy and disobey the Catholic Church’s Magisterial teachings. If any of you had bothered to do even just a bit of Googling, you’d find the fair-minded book that Ms. Carey wrote regarding this very issue way back in the late ‘90s.
Posted by Anthony Casale on Thursday, Jul 12, 2012 4:40 PM (EST):
Isn’t the herding of the poor in projects, (not apartments) in racist ratios plus never giving the tenants an opportunity to purchase the apartment part of this “Master” plan of charity? “
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I think I hear what you are saying about the poor being used as a political tool but I’ve worked with Section 8 Housing.Some folk live in public housing projects, but privately owned,Section 8 homes & apts. are also available through vouchers.Income or disbility are what qualifies one, not race.
Section 8 homes are scattered throughout neighborhoods, not in any particular area.Sometimes tenants who can qualify for a mortgage do buy a privately owned rental home which they had lived in under Section 8. Housing project apts. are publically owned & are not for sale but exist to house families in need.Even if the tenants qualified to purchase the apt, that would make it unavailable in the future for others more in need.
As a practicing catholic all of my life (I’m now 67) it’s interesting to me how the Bishops of the US have many reason’s why the catholic church is failing in the US; but none of the reasons point to them. Maybe, just maybe if they took an active role in talking to the faithful on a daily basis they would hear first hand the trials and tribulations that everyday catholics are faced with and better understand reality. They remind me of the US Congress, having their own agenda for their respective party.
The sisters of the catholic church, in my opinion, have done an outstanding job in representing the church and it’s teachings, the first one of which has always been to care for the poor. If you listen to the church’s directives of late, that is now a bad thing and rather they should be concerned with who is marrying one another. Get real, people are entitled to being themselves no matter what the church teaches or thinks. Help where help is appreciated and needed.
Be concerned with the shortingcomings of the church vs. saying they no longer exist.
It is always good to remember that God knows the truth, and no one in this world gets away with anything. Dissenters better pay close attention.
“Money Changers” Media Stunt Detracts from Rabbis’ Passover Celebration…
Ann, you must have had a very poor experience with religious women because your article is very mean spirited. You appear to be very bitter when speaking of them, and the motive you attribute to the sisters is very demeaning. It appears to be impossible for you to acknowledge all the good they do, and that is too bad. Do you honestly think the sisters did the bus tour to upstage the bishops? What gives you the right to judge their motivation in such a negative way? Is this something you might personally do? I thnk the sisters were motivated by a higher ideal. If you spent a little time rtesearching NETWORK, you would find they are always advocating for the right of the poor. I don’t think they gave the bishops a second thought. My money is on the Sisters who have integrity, and better things to do than right a bus just to upstage bishops!
OK. These sisters have clearly spent their lives working for the poor and the sick to further their own agenda. And what is that agenda? That we as Christians are called on to care for the poor and the sick!
As I understand it, they were driven by Senator Ryan’s budget in which he cited his Catholic faith as the rationale for gutting government programs for the poor and sick. He suggests that it should be up to the churches to pick up the slack. This is what the bus tour was about, not abortion. It is important to note that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops strongly repudiated Sen. Ryan for his comments. In this regard, the only difference between the bishops and these sisters is that the latter bothered to do more than write a stern letter that most people will never read.
The article suggests that these sisters were tooling around like rock stars. These women are largely in their 70’s and 80’s. To suggest that two weeks on a bus holding rallies in 95 degree weather was somehow a picnic for them is absurd.
Yes, two nuns made the whole trip. Four other places were rotated to allow as many sisters to participate as possible. Add in the driver, a couple of reporters and lots of equipment and you have a pretty full bus. I doubt it was club-med on wheels.
I strongly support these sisters but I did want to complete the picture by reading up on the opposition. This article is just as biased as those found in the liberal media but I’ve read it through and considered it thoughtfully. As there is little mention here about what the nuns actually said during these rallies I urge you to put aside your anger for a moment and at least hear them out before you relegate them to the garbage dump.
So we have a bunch of disgruntled nuns who by their actions have excommunicated themselves from the Church. Why all the attention, because they claim to be Catholics.
Marion (Mael Muire),
“Perhaps Mr. Soros became a Leftist in reaction to the crimes against humanity he saw at first hand by the partisans of the Right.”
There is no left or right: It’s the same group of people: they’re both statists, meaning that the power comes from the states and they both can’t stand religion. These labels of “left” and “right” are disingenous.
Jonah Golberg has a book called “Liberal Fascism” where he shows the similarities between the Nazis and the Communists and how they both come from the same source. Also, they’re both Atheists.
@Anthony Casale
“Isn’t the herding of the poor in projects, (not apartments) in racist ratios plus never giving the tenants an opportunity to purchase the apartment part of this ‘Master’ plan of charity?”
It is part of the “Master Plan” disguised as “charity.” The real Master Plan was to set up a program to get them be able to purchase their own apartment/home. That program was set up by Congress and called the “Community Reinvestment Act” which ultimately lead to Congress, government (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) and community organizers placing legal pressures on the banks and mortgage lending companies to reduce credit requirements for loans to lower income and the poor to buy homes. That lead to the banking and housing collapse just in time to get Obama elected President. The rest is history that, unfortunately, we are living in today.
@ Marion (Mael Muire)
“Perhaps Mr. Soros became a Leftist in reaction to the crimes against humanity he saw at first hand by the partisans of the Right.”
If you are referring to George Soros’ association as a youth with the Nazi Party of Germany in your well written comment, it is often mistaken that the Nazi’s were “partisans of the Right.” On the political spectrum, the Nazi Party is just to the right of the Communist Party. Both of those parties are socialist.
“Partisans of the Right” are Republican Party, conservatives, Libitarian Party, and the extreme far right are anarchist such as Occupy Wall Streeters.
Ignatz,
There is no such thing as a “conservative” Catholic, just like there is no such thing as a “liberal” Catholic. You’re either Catholic or you’re not.
Claire,
You can’t ignore the Church’s primary mission: the salvation of souls! Working for the poor is one of the ways we do that. But so is going to confession and going to mass and avoiding sin. So, there is no contradiction between helping the poor and standing against abortion and euthanasia, etc… There are 2 works of mercy: Corporal and Spiritual. They both go hand-in-hand. It’s not one or the other: it’s both. As far as nuns working for the poor, I’ll take my cues from Mother Theresa’s order who ALSO stood against abortion and euthanasia - and in a THIRD world country and a non-Christian nation. That’s TRUE CHristianity!!!
It seems to me that the “Nuns on the Bus” stunt which was funded by Soros and loved and promoted by the Democrat/Left/ Liberal/ Socialist/Progressives (or whatever name they’re going by ) is doing exactly what they intended…...dividing the Catholic Church and trying to change Catholic teaching to their own modernist views. It’s simple, these nuns decided ( as some priests, bishops and lay people also) that they know better than the thousands of years of teachings, doctrines and dogmas of the Catholic Church and they can change everything to THEIR ideas. The Bishops are finally waking up and speaking up, but their Fortnight for Freedom was ignored by the media. Why, because they are not going along with the liberal anti-religious liberty and culture of death agenda. Many of these nuns have gone off the deep end…..promoting contraception,abortion, “same sex marriage”, mazes, worshiping the earth, etc. Some may have helped the poor, which is great, but “the ends never justify the means”! It’s about time the Catholic Church start re-catechizing all Catholics and then if you don’t agree, you can go start your own religion! Look up 2 Timothy 4:1-4
Working for the poor is admirable. But even good works can be done for the wrong reasons. These sisters are in a way using the poor as human shields to deflect the Vatican’s criticism of their dissidence. Sister Simone Campbel, who is running this show, could not even say that she was pro-life when asked. We need to remember that even Judas Iscariot expressed concern for the poor.
Thank you for this excellent article.
Janesville, WI was an interesting stop for the Four Nuns/All Who Gathered In Their Support Who Need Our Prayers.
While praying the rosary, and in Christ/for Christ, it was observed that doors were opened for a message other than that which they touted.
All glory to God!
Thank you, Bill—you said it so well. Wish I had a ‘like’ button!
So so so so sad. Thank you Sisters and God Bless you.
Just stop donating to their cause. Donate to organizations who align themselves with Catholic teachings. Then we can say “None on the bus.”
These nuns have worked their whole lives aiding the poor and disadvantaged. I commend them. But, unfortunately they have lost their way and have decided that they should “change the church” and do things their way. They are using their good works to mask an agenda that has failed these past 50 years and will expire with them. As one already pointed out… they are ageing and dying out. Not being replaced. The religious orders that seem to be doing well are orders that embrace Vatican II and the Vatican itself. I encourage you all to pray for these nuns that they would find their way back to sound church teaching. Catholics are looking again at the sound teaching of the Catholic Church put forward by the Vatican and they are embracing it, while at the same time rejecting the past 50 years of ‘experimentation’ and “liberal’ teachings of nuns and even bishops found in the American Church.
How do you spell American mainstream media? PRAVDA!
To use a war analogy, the bishops are using swords in a battle against nuclear weapons. (Although I hesitate to use a war analogy in this case because I don’t think we should see the nuns as the ‘enemy.’) Nevertheless, the bishops need to upgrade their both equipment and their strategy. Not that prayer isn’t a powerful weapon, but I’m sure the nuns were praying, too. The only difference is they were praying loud enough for people to hear them.
So your beef is that the nuns on the bus (however few) did a better job getting their message out than the entire Conference of U.S. Catholic Bishops.
Perhaps the bishops should hire their media consultant.
[Within a few years these old bags will kick the bucket and we can be rid of that terrible generation of liberal religious forever.]
How Christian of you.
Unfortunately, the “conservative” Catholics seem to have absorbed the hatred that “conservative” Americans preach.
Those bishops must be FURIOUS that the nuns distracted from their trivial, politically-driven stupidity with something actually Christian and important.
The nuns live in the trenches with the people. The bishops pray and preach about abortion and euthanasia but do nothing to help those who are currently alive. I know they say they want everyone to have healthcare but their actions say otherwise. Their religious freedom is only freedom for them not for their flock. The bishops are disappointed that the Supreme Court ruled that Obamacare was constitutional. If Obamacare had been overturned, insurance companies could once again not cover or drop children with pre-existing health issues. Does everyone here know that we are the ONLY industrialized country, including Italy where the pope is, that does not have universal healthcare? The nuns know about the need for healthcare for everyone. They know that people die because they delay going to the hospital when they don’t have healthcare. The nuns take care of people from the moment of birth until death. Nuns today are nurses, doctors, lawyers and teachers. They teach, educate, and feed God’s people. They are truly pro-life and work every day to help people.
For all of you who are cheering for the day when the Vatican II generation is gone, do you realize that we have children, and our children have children? I’m the oldest of 5. All of us married (and stayed married) and all of us had children. Now we have grandchildren. And none agree with the bishops. We’re with the nuns!
With their comments on the doctrinal errors in some of the Sister’s congregations the bishops did EXACTLY what they should have done. It’s a good thing that a Sister posted something on Courageous Priest stating that the Sisters who went on the bus tour DO NOT speak for all of the congregations of female religious in the U.S..
As for the “bishops day of judgment”, yes for those at fault, and for those priest at fault. I, for one, don’t want to be part of those other religions, not mentioned by the press, in which family memmbers, teachers, authority figures in the respective faiths have ABUSED CHILDREN AS WELL. You must havea blanket over your eyes dear if you think that ONLY the bishops of the Catholic faith will have to answer to God.
Pray, would you care to comment on the many, ( more than one) priests UNJUSTLY ACCUSED by authorities, by the vicious judgements and misinformation propagated by SNAP? Talk about needing to learn forgivness here lol!! It seems that they’re only goal is to trash the principle of forgive one another as God forgives you. It’s one thing to bring a guilty priest, rabbi, iman, etc… to justice. That’s the right thing to do, correct? It’s another ballgame, and a dirty one at that, to keep on hammering a sin, a weakness, no matter how big, into someone’s life. Are you aware of that?? Jesus, the sinless Son of God, FORGAVE those who FALSELY ACCUSED Him. Keep that in mind when you talk about this subject.
P.D. For clarification purposes all caps area for emphasis only. Thank you.
EXCOMMUNICATION!!
To gain power on the backs of the poor could easily be defined as a sin against the Holy Spirit. To take charity and to turn it into a vice has been a tradition for power hungry religious and politicians over to hundred years.
Isn’t abortion a solution for the “poor” woman who does not want to be trapped with a child? Isn’t welfare money given to the ”poor “, a methodology that has led directly to destruction of the “poor” families and to the imprisonment of “poor males”? Are these the acts of this vicious charity.
Isn’t the herding of the poor in projects, (not apartments) in racist ratios plus never giving the tenants an opportunity to purchase the apartment part of this “Master” plan of charity?
Charity is when you sit down and write a check to your lest favorite charity. Charity is an act one commits and does not know it thus you never feel you have gotten more that you give or you have an obligation to give back.
Charity is a natural act out of love developed over a period of years. Charity and ethics are part of one’s character can not be turn on or off and would never be used for power
These nuns need formation they also need prayer, as we all do. Faith is a perception they have lost there view…they have lost their way
It’s a good thing for people who carry around antiquated ideas about sisters to see what sisters really are about nowadays. They no longer really work for the Church or on our behalf, and people need to know that. These religious congregations are VERY wealthy and independent of the Church now, and these ladies do whatever they want and expect us to pay for it. It’s all run amok.
http://www.catholicanada.com/2012/07/nun-reveals-truth-about-lcwr-assessment/
Wish we could hear more from nuns like these.
Another commenter wrote: “You know who funded ‘Nuns on the Bus?’ George Soros! He’s no friend of religion. He promotes abortion and every thing contrary to Christianity. . . . Soros also helped the Nazis find Jews who were hiding. And . . . (h)e’s Jewish! He turns on his own people.”
I was able to verify the “Nuns” - Soros connection elsewhere to my own satisfaction; the connection does not surprise me.
I also investigated the commenter’s allegation about Soros’ Nazi connection. George Soros (born in Hungary, with the family name of Schwartz in 1930) was only eight years old when WWII started, and 15 when it ended. Whatever his involvement with the Nazis, he would have been a pre-teen or young teenager during their reign, and therefore easily terrorized by those brutes into doing anything that they directed him to do. The youthful Soros may or may not have become involved in assisting the Nazis with the deportation of other Jews to the death camps, which is a shame if he did, but many terrified Jewish adults helped the Nazis, too, scared out of their wits, hoping against hope to save their own families.
How fortunate we are, here in the United States, that such times and days as those - when tyrants brutalized the ordinary citizenry and crushed their lives, their freedom, and their hope - that here in our country, we have never known such since after the American Revolution. Would to God that we may never see such days again here, ever, that we will remain a beacon of liberty and of hope to all the world. In our own time, the threat comes not from Nazism or Facsism, but from a very different -ism: Communism. The far Left - Stalinism, Maoism - is as inimical to freedom as the far Right is or ever was. Perhaps Mr. Soros became a Leftist in reaction to the crimes against humanity he saw at first hand by the partisans of the Right. However, as smart a man as Mr. Soros may be, he failed to realize that for every one person the Nazis murdered, the Communists have averaged between four and five murdered (Stalin’s purges, Mao’s “Cultural Revolution”, Pol Pot’s “Killing fields”.) Know your history! And pray to Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, Patroness of our country, that she will help to keep this the land of the free and the home of the brave, a haven of safety for ourselves, our children, and our grandchildren, and for whomever Providence may choose to bring to these shores.
Some people here still are not getting it.
The nuns mentioned are often in dissent of Catholic teaching/belief, picking and choosing what they want to believe the Church teaches. This causes confusion and often, scandal. And they somehow blame the Vatican for these issues. Are they unaware of what the Church teaches??
The bishops Fortnight for Freedom was held to defend Catholic teaching/belief and to make a statement about religious liberty. If the bishops had an ‘agenda,’ as some here claim, it was to uphold Jesus’ teachings through His Church, and to ensure that authentic (as opposed to cafeteria Catholicism) religious rights are upheld and respected. Anyone see a problem with that?
Note the obvious difference between the two!
I guess in the era of competing media stunts - fortnight of freedom vs. nuns on a bus - the nuns won. Why is that - not because of liberal George Soros (a favorite evil creature for conservatives), not because of the media - maybe because the bishops have lost moral authority in the eyes of many faithful. Maybe it is time to for the bishops to examine themselves and see why their ideas do not resonate. As many talk of bishops disciplining the nuns, maybe some self-discipline is needed. Maybe the bishops should show some humility and ask pardon for their behaviors and their shortcomings. Maybe they should with humility, ask forgiveness for handling of many issues - not just the “sex-abuse” scandal.
I am sure there are many differing opinions in the Church about many things, but I cannot fault the nuns for defending the poor-and having views different than the Bishops. It is called “Freedom of Conscience.”
The only way I knew about the Fortnight of Freedom was here on the National Catholic Register. It wasn’t even on the news, not even on the Fox News Network which I try to avoid at all costs. There wasn’t t even a peep bout it from our parish pastor nor our Bishop Wester here in Salt Lake City. He did however ask us to pray during the Fortnight but there were no rallies here in Salt Lake City. I understand that the turnout was not very good in other parts of the country. They did report on NBC News about the the Nuns On The Bus and there were quite a few people who came out to either support them or boo them.
The doctrine an discipline that were shunned by the Second Vatican Council have been coming home to roost far too long. Why it has taken 40 years to begin to try to bring back discipline is anyone’s guess. Dissidents have been allowed freedom to corrupt as much of the church as they can, and they have done a really good job. God help us.
The press’ near-unanimous glorification of rebellion and disrespect tells me pretty much all I need to know.
Your bishop is just “some guy”...riiight.
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To the person called “In response,” would you care to be specific as to what they actually did, or how? Also, God’s mercy is NOT limited by ‘conditions’ imposed upon us; rather, we freely accept it, reject it outright, or even seek it insincerely. To imagine that our free will places a limitation on God is a mind-boggling assertion. You might want do your own internal doctrinal review.
No surprise. Above comments are what one would expect from readers of The National Catholic Register. Not a rational thinker to be found.
Hey In response,
You know who funded “Nuns on the Bus?” George Soros! He’s no friend of religion. He promotes abortion and every thing contrary to Christianity. Oh, and by the way, did you know the George Soros also helped the Nazis find Jews who were hiding? And to make matters worse: He’s Jewish! He turns on his own people.
This was nothing but a publicity stunt against the Cathoic Church and and a promotion of atheistic-liberal agendas under the false impersonation of “social justice” - more like social INjustice!!!!
Read Sister Mary Rose’s article on yesterday’s Courageous Priest.
Nope, no editorial bias here. Clearly the nuns have no motives but ulterior ones, and the bishops have no ulterior motives whatsoever. Glad to see that the NCRegister is only interested in the truth, and has no axe to grind.
Yes, that was sarcasm.
Like Elizabeth at Laetificat, I have done independent reporting on this issue. In addition to Casey Schoenberger, whose connections with Sorors-funded organizations she uncovered, I saw at least one other employee/pr type person on the bus, a young man who set up all their banners and microphones, and got the crowd to shout: “Who do we support? The Nuns on the Bus!” That makes two non-sisters on the 7-person bus. No one has mentioned that the Bill Moyers people accompanied the bus on the entire trip, including sometimes riding in it, to document the whole thing—and had a better map of the stops on its web site than Nuns on the Bus had. Now, reporters do go on campaign tours, etc., but to me this is more like advocating for the tour than covering it. After all, it was a tour by a lobbying group, NOT a tour by the LCWR. No one seems to make that distinction either. If the LCWR is only a small percentage of the sisters it represents, what is NETWORK? A 9-person group! Why can they suddenly speak for 60,000 sisters?
Also, there were several people with cameras walking around during their stop here, and when I asked Casey if one of them was the Bill Moyers crew, she told me that at least one of them was someone else filming a documentary. So how many documentaries of this are there going to be? And finally, after their trip ended NETWORK posted a video of 75 Democratic members of congress thanking Nuns on the Bus. I find their obvious desire to be used by the Democrats as a political tool—not only themselves, but as a symbol of all Catholic sisters—highly disturbing.
Here is my analysis for Catholic Exchange (published before the video came out):
http://catholicexchange.com/nuns-on-the-bus/
Ann, this is an important article and you covered it so well. This “rift” in our church is a dangerous one that sees the complete manipulation of Catholic social justice values. These nuns have an agenda that completely contradicts our faith, influences vulnerable youth, and is misleading to all the faithful. I pray for better days of unity. There is a place for their beliefs….it is called the Episcopal Church.
I say “Go Nuns”!
For those deluded enough to believe that anything the sister did detracted from the dismal showing at the Forthnight is practicing spinning failure. For those who critize the sisters or accused them of a political agendas are displaying sour grapes by placing their own political agendas before Faith. Placing Sisters in a garbage heap! Sounds like the devil, doesn’t it?
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.”
How is it that there are nuns (undoubtedly priests, and other religious) who are not aligned with catholic dogma? The word of God has never changed. I understand the great need to help the poor and feed the hungry but the biggest crisis and tragedy is the killing of innocents in the womb. I have a feeling that a great number of catholics dont know that abortion, birth control, and sterilization are sins. Having been raised in a catholic household full of kids and a mom who used birth control i understand the confusion some catholics experience. It wasnt until mayne ten years ago that in an instant God opened my eyes and my heart. When i heard Jeremiah 1:5 it felt as if i had heard it for the first time. I pray that God through His sheperds find a way to educate His beloved children. First and foremost our religious leaders who touch so many lives!
I ask when is enough enough?? Why haven’t the Bishops and Vatican kicked these charlatans out of the church? Christ threw the Money Changers out of the Temple. The same thing should be done to these fake nuns.
These are precisely the sort of comments one would expect from readers of the National Catholic Register. How sad.
Why don’t these protesstant nuns just leave the Catholic Church and join a protestant sect. They certainly are not Catholic anymore.
There has never been a moment where Carey, who has never been a vowed religious, understands or embraces the need for social action from active religious men and women. It appears in everything she pens….that religious should go back to their ‘roots’ (in her mind the 1950’s) and wear habits and answer bells tolling for prayer time. Ms Carey….leave the nuns alone….start picking on the bishops where your ‘sour grapes’ attitude applies fully!
None of these “rock star” receptions that these ladies had include any families or young people. It’s all old sexual revolution hold-outs who need support groups for their serious sin. Blech.
“As a Washington Post headline put it: “The Nuns on the Bus tour promotes social justice and turns a deaf ear to the Vatican.”
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Wow, usually I wouldn’t give the Washington Post much credit, but perhaps their headline says it all.
Hi Ann
I want to thank you for your article. I have been in discernment with regard to the Secular Franciscans.. I have been receiving their e-mails FAN..I was saddened by the disobedience, distrust which they, the nuns on the bus for those whom they at one point prayerfully asked to be “married” too…the Church/to Christ! I am a new “convert”, and I was disappointed in the notion that “the nuns” don’t have a choice..they remind me of my children, of a family. I made a few comments in the FAN newsletter with regard to the article “boasting” of “the nuns on bus” and the interview a sister had with Aljazeera..made me very, very sad. I mentioned that “many” families have “family meetings” when behaviors, actions, and the responsibilities of the family members break down, when they are working against one another. And yes, we have had interference with our family meetings, when our children needed support from their friends due to “airing” our family “rules”..everyone is defensive. The distrust that wounds the heart of parents, my husband, their father and me their mother, who naturally want what is best..but are confronted by disobedience and distrust..(I actually was told by a nun that as a nun she is laity…I don’t understand!) I hope I am not to bold, but I was also told that the vatican was doing to keep the nuns from “helping the poor”...of course the normal response was “what are they going to help the rich”...I don’t know how as faithful Christians, as followers of Christ, we are so willing to take the easy way out and condemn the “wealthy” those in “authority” instead of ourselves, and ask if we are following Christ to the Cross and believe and trust He will provide as Mother Teresa…what a juxtaposition, we clammer to applaud disobedience, okay public disobedience by the nuns but at the same time embrace, venerate Mother Teresa who was the image of poverty, of which she gladly obeyed knowing God was going to provide…hard circumstances, yes, but she was a joyful warrior…..even Luther when he “rebelled” against the church, made it known that he didn’t want to be in disobedience with those in authority over him, i.e. the Pope, the Bishops, for he knew that his dissent was not ultimately against those whom represented the Church but Christ Himself who came to free us from ...this present reality so we could live free, free in Christ, for Eternity!
Just another stupid display by the sisters of st. goofy.
In all things we do as believers/the Faithful, we each should think 1)will what I do give Glory to God; and 2) will what I do build the church of Jesus Christ.The long term publicity these nuns are gaining does not glorify God nor build the church of Jesus Christ. These nuns are becoming renegades for their own platform and their own motives. Question: How can true believers and those who are called the Faithful of the Roman Catholic Church support the condemning of the unwanted unborn to death? Jesus Christ is about life. Jesus says, “You will know My disciples by their fruits.” The aroma of the fruit of these nuns actions todate is not pleasant to the nostrils of God because God’s righteousness is not held up nor the submitting to church authority in respect to renegade behavior. The world watches the behavior of the Roman Catholic Church, especially priests and nuns, because of issues of the past and because of the obvious agenda our present day President has in an attack on the Roman Catholic Church beliefs. Question to the nuns: whom do you trully serve, God or man? Remember your vows: Submit unto God and submit until the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.. Jesus said, “Let your Light so shine so men may see your good works so that your Father in Heaven may be glorified.” God is not being glorified in the renegade actions of these nuns which presents more of a power struggle between priests and nuns…We are surrounded by a great crowd of witnesses…Get Smart…Think…The Rose…7/12
Amusing title. Am I left to assume that the Fortnight for Freedom was something other than a “media stunt”?
Within a few years these old bags will kick the bucket and we can be rid of that terrible generation of liberal religious forever. A new, glorious era is coming.
The Devil uses the gullibility of the faithful to cause dissension in the Church. This is but one example.
The nuns learned to be “street smart” working in the “real world” where they advocate for the poor and disadvantaged. They put this knowledge to good use by taking their bus tour and pointing out the problems with the Ryan budge proposal which the bishops had also condemned saying it “did not meet moral criteria.” Meanwhile many diocese and parishes gave only minimal attention the strangely named Fortnight for Freedom which was funded largely by the Knights of Columbus a group headed by Carl Anderson a former administrator for radical racist Jesse Helms, a fact conveniently omitted from Anderson’s official resume.
This is basically a ‘feminist’ whine-fest. Chesterton nailed it (as always). He said that the problem with the feminist movement was that it wasn’t radical enough. Unlike some violent upheaval or revolution, they don’t really want to win, they want to whine and complain for all eternity and always be ‘victims’. Another words there is no ‘final’ state of balance or peace that they aspire to.
A liberal bumper sticker I saw sums this up, “As Long As One Human Being Is Not Free There Can Be No Peace”. As Catholic religious not only are they backstabbing traitors to the church they offer nothing but restlessness, dissension and narcissism ot umpteenth degree. Their unhappiness is embarassingly obviou.
Sooner or later, liberal priests and nuns will run out of excuses. Unfortunately, in the meantime, they will lead some astray. Please pray for them to follow authentic Church teaching and reject worldliness.
Funny how the media and Left refer to ‘social justice’ while ignoring the obvious. More cafeteria Catholicism at play.
These modernist nuns are aging . . . dying out, not being replaced, much like the Progressive elite are aging, dying out, aborting and contracepting themselves into oblivion. Naturally the Progressive elite media would be drawn to their own within the Church.
The vibrant, growing orders who are faithful to the Holy Father are attracting young men and women daily. Faithful dioceses with sound seminaries are receiving solid and dynamic young men.
So, the media love the modernist nuns. The Mordor-nist nuns. Let the dead bury their dead.
Just where were those so-called ‘nuns’? Not one was ever shown on the few pictures that I have seen and why wasn’t the money that was wasted on this devil’s work, not being used to help those that are in need? Our Lady told Blessed Mary of Agreda back in the 1600s that sisters that abandoned their convents and take off their habits will suffer a much greater fate than Lot’s wife when she also disobeyed God. +JMJ+
The Nuts on a Bus - er - Nuns Gone Wild - er - whatever… The media attention to this phenomenon while hundreds of thousands of practicing Catholics (with jobs and families) silently prayed and protested is a perfect dichotomy. If only the good sisters were to recognize where the money came from for their liesurely tour of protest, and thank the hard-working families who are grateful for their educations and healthcare at the hands of devoted religious - well, maybe I’m asking too much.
“Wonderful work nuns do for disadvantaged persons?” Everyone except children in the womb, whom they don’t seem to think are disadvantaged.
these heretics should have just driven around the country in a WASTE MANAGEMENT GARBAGE TRUCK…my apology to waste-management, but garbage is garbage and these heretics should be taken to the nearest landfill
Ann Carey I leave you with one thought. The bishops did not need the Nuns help to detract from their Fortnight. They destroyed their own credibility and did a bang up job of it without any help. They disgraced the nuns, the catholic church, and themselves before the whole world. I think their own guilt is causing them some degree of paranoia; it’s called “actions have consequences.” God’s mercy comes with some conditions. You can’t fake it with The Holy Spirit. The bishops day of judgment is coming and I would not want to be them as Jesus was quite clear as to what would happen to those who hurt children. WWJD.
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