Yeah- Hitler was raised Catholic…so? Tell me, when was the last time he actually attended Mass? Show me. Cite the evidence. In reality he was a fallen away Catholic- not a practicing Catholic. The Pope couldn’t have excommunicated Hitler because….well, there was no practice of his faith left to excommunicate.
Oh and, one small yet salient point you seemed to have overlooked: Hitler was also a liar whose forte of persuasion was “propaganda”. Do you seriously think he would openly admit his anti-Christian views in a public manner to a nation that was predominately Christian? Hardly. Instead he laced his propaganda with enough bastardized Christian allusions to persuade the masses of the moral justification of his disordered vision. And the people of his nation were also culpable to the extent that they willingly participated.
I would cite “Hitler’s Table Talk” as an adequate source of Hitler’s true attitude towards The Catholic Church and Christianity in general. But of course the latest Atheistic twist on that is the supposed “translation” inaccuracies of the French and English versions of the book…..and on it goes.
The fact of the matter is- Hitler’s diabolical actions hardly fit the paradigm of The Gospels, regardless of what propaganda he spewed. Square the Holocaust with The Beatitudes if you will, and then try to make sense of the obvious disconnect.
And here’s another more accurate perspective that you won’t find from your tired old atheistic proselytizing web sites from which you’re obviously echoing
We must remember that the Holocaust was also anti-Christian. After Hitler revealed his true intentions, the Catholic Church opposed him. Even the famous Albert Einstein testified to that. According to the December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine on page 38, Einstein said:
“Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks…
Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.”
In another, similar statement, Einstein referred explicitly to the Catholic Church (Lapide, p. 251). This is an extraordinary testimony by an agnostic German scientist of Jewish heritage. Even though there were traitors in her ranks, the Church still opposed the Nazi movement.
The December 23, 1940 issue of Time magazine contains an interesting article about Christians living in Germany, both Catholic and Protestant, who opposed and suffered under the Nazis. On page 38, it claims that by late 1940 over 200,000 Christians were prisoners in Nazi concentration camps, with some estimates as high as 800,000. On page 40, it reports on the Archbishop of Munich, Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, who led the Catholic opposition in Germany against the Nazis. In an Advent 1933 sermon, he preached: “Let us not forget that we were saved not by German blood but by the blood of Christ!” in response to Nazi racism. In 1934 the Cardinal “narrowly missed a Nazi bullet”, while in 1938 a Nazi mob broke the windows in his residence. Even though he was over seventy and in poor health, he still led the Catholic German resistance against Hitler.
Not trusting the new regime, the Vatican signed a Concordat with the Reich on July 20, 1933 in an attempt to protect the Church’s rights in Germany. But the Nazis quickly violated its articles. In Lent 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical “Mit brennender Sorge” (With burning sorrow) with the help of German bishops and Cardinal Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII). It was smuggled into Germany and read in all German Catholic churches at the same hour on Palm Sunday 1937. It did not explicitly mention Hitler or Nazism, but it firmly condemned the Nazi doctrines. On September 20, 1938, Pius XI told German pilgrims that no Christian can take part in anti-Semitism, since spiritually all Christians are Semites.
The recent slander against the Church and Pope Pius XII can be traced back to 1963 with Rolf Hochhuth’s play, “The Deputy.” In this play Hochhuth criticized Pius for being silent and portrayed his silence as cold indifference. Even though fiction, people took it as fact.
And yes- I can post more of this if you would like. Have you ever seen this before? No. I’m sure you haven’t. But feel free to pretend that you have- lest anyone should think that you’re not uber-intelligent and possibly less than well informed.
As for Stalin and every other Communist regime- isn’t it interesting that you highlight and accentuate the Christian origins and influences of the Communist dictator- and yet completely discount the very basis of their political philosophy:
Source; Country Studies: Russia-The Russian Orthodox Church U.S. Library of Congress, Accessed Apr. 3, 2008
State atheism in the Soviet Union was known as “gosateizm”, and was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism. As the founder of the Soviet state V. I. Lenin put it:
“Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.”
Perhaps you can cite evidence where Stalin actually disagreed with this very basic tenet of the founders of The Soviet Union?
Communism (unlike any other form of state-ism) necessitates atheism for one simple reason: The State wields absolute micro-control of every part of every citizens life. And that is only possible once the State eliminates God. And once the State eliminates God- the State becomes God. Period. If that isn’t so, then perhaps you can show me the evidence of all the peaceful religious protests that Stalin allowed in his Godless State? No? Or were the Christian Churches and clergy willingly driven underground during his regime? Or perhaps the Cathedral of Christ
Savior blew itself up in 1931, as did a myriad of other Churches and religious institutions under Stalin’s “christian-loving” iron boot? Or perhaps Stalin was demonstrating his love for all things Christian when he tortured and murdered countless numbers of clergy and religious. And yes- I can cite all of this.
(You wrote- “Let me know when you have a gay, pacifist, woman as Pope who sells off Vatican city to improve the lot of all humanity—then we can talk again.”)
On the contrary- let me know when we have a compassionate, gay, pacifist Communist leader in the world who sells off his military ambitions to improve the lot of all humanity—then we really can talk.
And as far as,
Matthew 19:21 Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me.
Christ was specifically speaking to the rich man who was in love with his wealth. The man’s wealth was not the issue per-se, but rather the man’s love of his wealth.
As far as the wealth of the Vatican (which is predominately in the form of priceless religious expression) I would counter your anti-Catholic hatred which you try to disguise as an altruistic care for the poor with this little passage:
It was Judas who showed what was in his heart when he complained about the oil that was to be poured over Jesus preparing him for his burial.
John 12:2-8 “There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. Then one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denari and given to the poor?” This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it. But Jesus said, “Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. “For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”
I haven’t addressed all of your points because it would end up in an endless ever-growing back-and-forth screed even more long-winded than what we’ve already engaged. But then, that’s the tactic of the modern atheist proselytizer isn’t it: To throw a large enough shotgun blast of half-truths, myths, and falsehoods against the wall as to hopefully overwhelm the Christian with a tidal wave of bilge. In essence- it’s a disingenuous attempt to simply shout-down your opposition.
Again: I pray that the peace of Christ surrounds you and quiets your restless heart. I sincerely pray that you will find peace.
“You have made us for Yourself, Oh Lord; and our hearts are restless, until they rest in You.” - St Augustine of Hippo