ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is flexing his political muscle to give abortion advocates their biggest state victory in 40 years since Roe v. Wade: a sweeping expansion of abortion law that, if enforced, could put Catholic hospitals and many state-funded ministries out of business.
Cuomo’s approval ratings have topped 70% for six straight months, and, with just two years in office, he has already pushed through controversial same-sex “marriage” legislation and the most restrictive gun-control law in the nation.
Cuomo, who is Catholic, now is setting his sights on succeeding where governors for the past six years have failed: passing the proposed Reproductive Health Care Act.
But Cuomo has included the act as part of his 10-point “women’s equality” agenda, which includes a raise in the minimum wage, tougher anti-housing discrimination laws and measures against domestic violence and sex-trafficking.
Catholic bishops in New York’s Catholic Conference and pro-life groups are raising the alarm that Cuomo’s proposals are both “radical” and “dangerous” to unborn children, women and religious freedom.
“Gov. Cuomo’s bill elevates abortion to a fundamental right and says New York state can’t discriminate on abortion in benefits or services or anything else it provides,” said Kathleen Gallagher, the conference’s director of pro-life activities.
Cuomo’s legislation, she said, would make illegal abortion restrictions, such as parental-notification laws, informed-consent laws, restrictions on taxpayer funding of abortion and abortion bans of any kind.
The law will allow licensed medical professionals other than a physician to perform first-trimester abortions.
The Democratic governor announced in his Jan. 9 State of the State address that he would expand legal abortion as part of a comprehensive women’s-equality bill, declaring three times, “It’s her body, her choice” to thunderous applause.
“Gov. Cuomo vociferously declared that women’s equality, safety and reproductive rights will be a priority for New York state in 2013,” Andrea Miller, president of NARAL Pro-Choice New York, confirmed in a press release. Miller said the last election results showed New Yorkers recognized that without a right to abortion a woman “cannot participate fully in society.”
Late-Abortion Green Light
Cuomo’s bill removes criminal penalties for third-trimester abortions after 24 weeks by adding a broad health exception. Current state law allows such late-term abortions if there is a danger to the mother’s life.
Chris Slattery, director of the Expectant Mother Care (EMC) pregnancy centers in New York City, said the new law will make New York City the late-term abortion capital of the world.
“It’s going to open up the third-trimester market,” Slattery said. “It’s going to be huge, and people all over the world, not just out of state, are going to be coming to New York to have and perform these abortions.”
Late-term abortions generally cost more than $2,000.
“It’s the fight of the pro-life movement’s life in New York,” Slattery said. “This is worse than Roe v. Wade itself, and everyone needs to focus on defeating this bill.”
The Guttmacher Institute’s New York state abortion data showed that 33% of New York pregnancies end in abortion — nearly twice the national rate of 19%. Only 53% of New York pregnancies resulted in live births, with the remaining 14% ending with miscarriage.
New York City itself has an average abortion rate of 41%, with some areas as high as 67%, according to New York Health Department data gathered by the Chiaroscuro Foundation.
A 2011 poll, conducted for the Chiaroscuro Foundation by McLaughlin and Associates, found 64% of New Yorkers — including 57% of women identifying as “pro-choice” — believe New York City’s abortion rate is too high; 74% believe the overall 60% abortion rate among minorities is too high.
The poll also found 69% of New Yorkers support informed-consent laws, 59% support mandating parental consent for minors seeking abortion, and 51% support having a 24-hour waiting period for abortion.
State Senate Battle
Cuomo’s legislation is expected to pass the Democratic-controlled Assembly, but pro-life advocates are focusing on the Senate, which Republicans control in a coalition with six independent Democrats.
Pro-life state Sen. Ruben Diaz Sr., D-Bronx, predicts the abortion battle will happen in the next few weeks and not toward the end of the legislative session in June. He said pro-life prospects look grim if the Reproductive Health Care Act comes up for a vote.
“I’m the only solid pro-life vote among the Democrats,” he said. “But if the Republicans allow this to come to the floor, then it is a done deal.”
Diaz expressed doubts that Majority Leader Dean Skelos, R-Rockville Centre, would keep the 30-member GOP caucus in line and predicted that one or two Republicans would join 32 Democrat senators to vote for the bill — a replay of voting patterns that resulted in the legalization of same-sex “marriage” in 2011.
Under a power-sharing agreement, Skelos and state Sen. Jeff Klein, D-Bronx, alternate leadership of the Senate every week.
“The week in which Sen. Jeff Klein becomes leader of the chamber — that week he will bring the bill to the floor,” Diaz said.
Diaz said he had no hope the bill could be stopped in the Senate without personal lobbying from Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York.
In a Jan. 9 letter to Cuomo, Cardinal Dolan forcefully denounced the governor’s push for increased access to abortion.
“Dolan has a very powerful voice in the state,” said Diaz. “I’m hoping he comes to Albany now and lobbies — and lobbies hard. I think he’s the only hope we have to convince people to not bring this bill to the floor.”
No Conscience Protections
Gallagher warned that the state bill has no conscience protections for religious institutions and that the New York Catholic Conference’s legal analysts fear the state could use the law to shut down any Catholic institution (including Catholic hospitals, Catholic charities and schools) that gets state licensing or funding.
“State regulators, such as the state health department or state insurance department, could say, ‘We cannot give you that license to operate’ or ‘We cannot give you that funding’ because our pro-life mission means we’re discriminating against a woman’s fundamental right to an abortion,” Gallagher said.
Bishop William Murphy confirmed that the Diocese of Rockville Centre is home to six hospitals on Long Island that could be crippled if the state simply withheld Medicaid dollars. The clash would be inevitable, because Catholic hospitals will neither perform nor refer people for abortions under any circumstances.
“It is another blow against a pro-life position, making that position officially ‘unacceptable’ or ‘bigoted’ or ‘intolerant,’” Bishop Murphy said, adding that the situation was “a very strange fruit in our society, where the majority of Americans, however they define it, call themselves pro-life.”
If the bill expanding access to abortion is passed, pro-life medical professionals could also find their practices at risk.
“All the legal mechanisms are in place so that doctors are forced to abandon their practices,” said Dr. Katherine Lammers, a Catholic obstetrician-gynecologist in Rochester, who has delivered 4,000 babies in her 25-year career. Lammers’ practice does not perform or refer for abortions.
She noted that the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists published an ethical memo in 2008 that directed doctors to provide abortion referrals if they are unable to perform the procedure.
“So it could happen this way: ACOG could say that this doctor is violating Ethical Bulletin 899. They could take your board certification away for ethical violations. The state board could then say, ‘This doctor is not medically licensed.’ So, theoretically, a doctor could be forced out of her business,” Lammers said.
Rally in March
The New York State Catholic Conference has scheduled a March 20 “Catholics at the Capitol” rally to highlight the Catholic Church’s top legislative priorities.
The Legislature has until June, the end of its session, to pass Cuomo’s legislation, but it could be brought to the floor of the legislative body before then.
Gallagher said the state’s pro-life coalition is making a push to gather support through social media. On Jan. 15 pro-life advocates launched a “New Yorkers for Life” Facebook page and a Twitter account.
“We Catholic bishops will do our best to inform our people and rally Catholic and non-Catholic alike to express a preference for laws that safeguard women and children,” Bishop Murphy said. “A society can flourish only when it keeps before its eyes that God who creates and sustains it.”
Peter Jesserer Smith writes from Rochester, New York.



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How long must we endure these (CINO) politician heretics ? They flaunt their immoral venom constantly & their Cardinals & Bishops & “ROME” does absolutely nothing ! The Al Smith dinner in N.Y. was another prime example. Until the Church faces up to it’s responsibilities the mismanagement, ineptitude & moral corruption fostered by the Homosexual Collective will continue to grow to the delight of satan.
Cuomo should be fired he is a man who doesn’t even protect innocent babies..
what good is he!
His idea is the worst of the worst..
shameful person!!
Would he have liked it with a stab to his baby head..what if he had been aborted..
Are there no God fearing good men in Government..
Lin, please explain why the Second Vatican II Council disobeyed the Magisterium in the matters of sex education in classrooms, collegiality of bishops, positioning the new church to subsist IN and not IS, religious indifferentism and interdenominational services ,,,,,,,,,?
Sorry Rosemary! I’m not a conciliarist! Disobedience to Sacred Tradition is wrong. But Vatican II is not the problem.
Lin, Collegiality of bishops, religious liberty, ecumenism, (and more) are someo of the anti-Magisterium positions promulgated of the V2 Council.
You see no problem with disobedience to Sacred Tradition???? Now, if you claim to be a conciliarist and not a Catholic, we are then on the same page.
Where is the effeminate voice of Bishop HUBBARD, of Albany in this ? What about Cardinal Dolan ? When this CINO Gov. jammed through the sodomite marriage bill in 2011 it was only passed because of two CINO N.Y. St. Senators, who switched their votes after being bribed by the mayor of N.Y. City, called it a political contribution. Both of those CINO Senators were Knights of Columbus ! Carl Anderson & Bishop LORI also said nothing in 2011. This heretic Gov. will not back down, he needs to be Excommunicated, forthwith !
The stats you cite do not prove Vatican II was illicit. End of discussion! God bless you!
Lin, the stats.
http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/requestedchurchstats.html
How is Vatican II misrepresented? Do you deny the ‘changes’ as is written in the 16 documents?
Rosemary…I would be very interested in the stats. It is sad that Vatican II has been so misrepresented! There is no authentic “spirit of Vatican II”. That is a lie to do whatever you want.
Lin, how sad for the world that you are a typical uncatechized conciliarist who does not know the Catholic faith. Ecumenism has been condemned. This is one source.
Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, par. 2, January 6, 1928
There are other warnings by Pontiffs against intermingling in services with non-Catholics. I strongly encourage you to study Catholicism for the sake of your soul and those you come in contact with. I have more information on this issue alone if you are interested. Have you seen the statistics caused by the ‘spirit of Vatican II’?
Rosemary. I am far from a Vatican II scholar, but I do not blame all of the current problems in the church on Vatican II. It is my opinion that having the mass said in English was a positive and the move towards ecumenism is also positive. It has been my experience that the negatives have been priests who think they are entitled to change the mass to suit their whims. All done “in the spirit of Vatican II”. God bless you!
Jim M. “Change Is coming” you say. Sounds like you are an Obama fan. Now that conciliarists are uncatechized in the true Faith you say change is coming!!! OH, BTW,yYou forgot to mention Müller, the recently appointed to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who openly denies dogmas.
Joe,
Not true—have some faith here—- look to the new appointments—Bishop Cordilone in SF, Bishop Sample in Portland, Bishop Chaput in Philly, Bishop Gomez finally throughing Bishop Mahoney out—- change is coming among the prelates—it has been slow and there are layers and layers of ossified, self-serving prelates to go—but we must as a people of God SPEAK UP, demand more, ask for more, challenge, study the catechism, this is the YEAR OF FAITH, demand more from your parishes and your priest and your Bishop.
Have faith, keep seeking, keep persevering. Change is coming, in many ways its here and beginning to take root.
Jim M. Apparently you’ve never tried to reason why the ‘progressive’ mentality does not work. You are not seasoned with experiences of doing it or you would never have your statement to demand they change their reckless ways. The prelates are leading in the way they are taught in seminary. Prelates who dare to be ‘conservative’ will be hounded to stop it and if they keep it up they will be forced out.
Lin, Can you please explain the positives of Vatican II.
Hey Lin,
Stand up to your progressive pastor. Confront and demand a rigorous and clear liturgy, homily and catechesis. We have gone through 20 years of terrible teaching, unfocused pastors, and clergy who thinks we are interested in their dissent.
Challenge your clergy—- they don’t “own” the Church, it belongs to Jesus Christ. Stand up, speak up just like Paul when he challenged Peter. Be not afraid.
Vatican II had both a positive and negative impact on the Church but that is because the clergy are human, too! There are the very holy and the not so holy. Catechesis and discipline were thrown out for ” love ins”. Our parish is now saddled with a progressive pastor. It has been difficult but he will retire soon. Pray for our priests and religious! We traditionalists can keep the flame burning. We cannot lose hope. God bless you!
Lin, cannot anwer your question. I’m still considered spam even with politeness and substantiations
The First Vatican Council condemned this collegial orientation in Church (Dz 3055).
St. Gregory Nazianzen (382 AD) was regarding this false notion of collegiality which has been so readily taken up by the post conciliar hierarchy, he thus writes” If I must speak the truth, I fell disposed to shun every conference of bishops; for never did I see a synod brought to a happy issue, and remedying, and not rather aggravating, existing evils”
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm
more information:
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm
Yet in spite of the Vatican I’s condemnation and St. Gregory’s warning, collegiality was desired by the ruling bishops at the Vatican II Council to rule the Universal Church along with the pope. Collegiality is to bind the pope to consult the bishops on important matters. An increased sense of shared authority or collegiality, among bishops and between them and the pope, was underscored by the Second Vatican Council.
Collegiality is seen in the world synods in Rome since the Council. The spirit of collegiality at work is in the National Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States. It is especially reflected in their style of producing important pastoral letters such as those on the economy and on war and peace.
College of Bishops, collegiality and College of Apostles were key concepts in the Council. “One is never a Bishop alone, but essentially with the others” writes a prominent figure at Vatican II.
Lumen gentium 27 errantly said that the bishops’ authority, ‘which they personally exercise in Christ’s name, is proper, ordinary and immediate’. BTW, this document moved beyond all previous Roman Catholic teaching by refusing to identify the Roman Catholic Church with the Church of Christ, stating instead that the Church of Christ ‘subsisted in’ the Roman Catholic Church, and not simply that it ‘was’ the Roman Catholic Church.
In Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Satis Cognitum It states in para. 14 that the Pope alone has supreme power… “there is no authority greater than that of the Apostolic See” para. 15.
The practice of collegiality is practiced when a question concerning faith or morals is submitted to numerous theological commissions, who never come up with an answer because their members are divided both in their opinions and in their methods. We need only read the procedural accounts of the assemblies at all levels to realize that collegiality of the Magisterium is equivalent to “paralysis of the magisterium”
Our Lord instructed individuals, not a collectivity, to tend His sheep. The Apostles obeyed Our Lord’s orders, and until Vatican II. These days we hear of the Church being in a state of permanent council, continual collegiality.
http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/Chapter-13.htm
Lin, will you please ask moderator to allow my response to you.
Lin, I’m still trying to answer your question. Moderator does not like my response.
Lin, I’m trying to answer your question but I’ve been held up with:
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Lin - The First Vatican Council condemned this collegial orientation in Church (Dz 3055).
St. Gregory Nazianzen (382 AD) was regarding this false notion of collegiality which has been so readily taken up by the post conciliar hierarchy, he writes “If I must speak the truth, I fell disposed to shun every conference of,bishops; for never did I see a synod brought to a happy issue, and remedying, and not rather aggravating, existing evils”
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm
more information:
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/modernism/modnsm.htm
Yet in spite of the Vatican I’s condemnation and St. Gregory’s warning, collegiality was desired by the ruling bishops at the Vatican II Council to rule the Universal Church along with the pope.
Collegiality is to bind the pope to consult the bishops on important matters. An increased sense of shared authority or collegiality, among bishops and between them and the pope, was underscored by the Second Vatican Council.
Collegiality is seen in the world synods in Rome since the Council. The spirit of collegiality at work is in the National Conference of Catholic Bishops of the United States. It is especially seen in their style of producing important pastoral letters such as those on the economy and on war and peace.
College of Bishops, collegiality and College of Apostles were key concepts in the V 2 Council. “One is never a Bishop alone, but essentially with the others” writes a prominent figure at Vatican II.
Lumen gentium, para. 27 errantly said that the bishops’ authority, ‘which they personally exercise in Christ’s name, is proper, ordinary and immediate’. (BTW, this document moved beyond all previous Roman Catholic teaching by refusing to identify the Roman Catholic Church with the Church of Christ, stating instead that the Church of Christ ‘subsisted in’ the Roman Catholic Church, and not simply that it ‘was’ the Roman Catholic Church.)
In Pope Leo XIII’s encyclical Satis Cognitum, it states in para. 14 that the Pope alone has supreme power… and para. 15, “there is no authority greater than that of the Apostolic See”.
The practice of collegiality is practiced when a question concerning faith or morals is submitted to numerous theological commissions, who never come up with an answer because their members are divided both in their opinions and in their methods. We need only read the procedural accounts of the assemblies at all levels to realize that collegiality of the Magisterium is equivalent to “paralysis of the magisterium”
Our Lord instructed individuals, not a collectivity, to tend His sheep. The Apostles obeyed Our Lord’s orders, and until Vatican II. These days we hear of the Church being in a state of permanent council, continual collegiality.
http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/Chapter-13.htm
Please site the chapter and paragraph of these Vatican II directives.
Grey Bear - The pope cannot move without the approval of his fellow bishops. That is a major change based on the Vatican II Council directives. He does not have the authority that you might consider him to have any longer.
@ Grey Bear….Uh-uh….Bishop Lori of Baltimore was in Connecticut not
New York. You have *accused* the wrong Bishop. Cuomo’s Bishop is the Albany bishop where the govenor resides with his sweetie. That would be the not-so-excellent Bishop Hubbard. Given his track record one would
expect such lack of pastoring. Otherwise you are spot on!
What else would you expect from the ‘party of death’ ? Don’t expect the N.Y. Senate to stop him. He jammed the ‘sodomite-marriage’ bill through with the co-operation of two swing voters, both CINO’s & both Knights of Columbus ! They reportedly took a fund-raiser bribe from the atheist mayor of N.Y. City to change their votes. The Supreme Knight stood mute ? The Supreme Chaplain, Bishop Lori also stood mute & now is in charge of Baltimore Diocese ? I’m sure their vote is for sale again ! Until this CINO & every other CINO like him are all excommunicated it will continue & only get worse.
Catholic College Sees Double Attendance for Atheism Course
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/catholic-college-sees-double-attendance-for-atheism-course-89187/#p4iGV8exeFDIs0Zf.99
Who appoints these bishops? Who allows these scandalous men to have the power to destroy?
Too bad this man is not Bishop of NY.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-catholic-colleges-should-require-mandatum-from-theologians/
Liberals and homosexuals/athiests have invaded every walk of life and are trying their best to destroy the Catholic Church. There are really some crappy “catholic” colleges in the country and a some real good ones. And this practice of letting a homosexual “marriage” advocate and abortion supporter speak at a Catholic college is a disgrace and any school that does, and that includes Notre Dame should not identify itself as Catholic because they aren’t. They renigged on that right when they sided with the devil. You can’t promote evil and still be a Catholic in good standing with the church. Excommunicate all these heretics. Show them no quarter. And if Dolan doesn’t speak out soon about the scandal that is Andrew Cuomo the Vatican should replace him.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-catholic-colleges-should-require-mandatum-from-theologians/
Charles :Porter This is what your granddaughter is heading towards:
Catholic Students Losing Their Religion
Study Says Tuition Doesn’t Fund Faith at Catholic Colleges
by TIM DRAKE, Register Senior Writer Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/16432/#ixzz2JabcCRl0
Charles :Porter - It’s tough, but this is reality:
Study: Most Catholic Colleges No Longer Require Catholic Theology- Per Cardinal Newman Society:
Catholic colleges that have maintained a strong religious identity also have the strongest core curricula, according to a new study from The Cardinal Newman Society (CNS).
The study finds that students at most other U.S. Catholic colleges can avoid the study of Catholic theology altogether.
Al Gore to Speak at Dominican University
Former Vice President Al Gore, an abortion rights and homosexual “marriage” advocate will speak at Dominican University on February 13 as part of the University’s 2013 Institute for Leadership Studies (ILS) Spring Leadership Lecture Series.
Loyola Chicago Prof Requires Students to Attend Radical Van Jones Lecture
Several students at Loyola University in Chicago reported in a video published at Breitbart that they were “required” by their “environmental sustainability” professor to attend a January 23rd lecture by gay marriage supporting Van Jones.
http://blog.cardinalnewmansociety.org/2012/12/11/study-most-catholic-colleges-no-longer-require-catholic-theology/
Joe: I’ve seen the curriculum taught and know the teachers. My granddaughter is getting a good Catholic education. She would have been pulled out of the school years ago if I didn’t think so. You can’t lump all Catholic high schools together anymore than you can say Georgetown and Franciscan University are the same. Georgetown and many other “catholic” colleges are Catholic in name only. Then you have Franciscan University and Ava Maria College - both outstanding, real Catholic colleges.
Charles :Porter So you consider yourself rooted and grounded in the Catholic faith, yet you fail to have fire in the belly against those who just as soon not teach the true faith to your granddaughter. With friends like you, your granddaughter does not need enemies.
Today is the feast day of St. John Bosco who was dedicated to the proper education of youth.
Pray for us, St. John Bosco, that we will not tolerate, nor be silent, nor be complacent with those who are using our youth for the destruction of Christ’s Church.
Joe: Those sound like the numbers that voted for King Obamagabe.
No Catholic with any knowledge of his/her faith can possibly believe they can divorce and remarry. They might call themselves Catholic, the same way the 95% of blacks call themselves Baptists or whatever, but they sure are not Christians. They gave up the right to be called Christian when they voted for the baby killing, God-hating Dear Leader. Same thing goes for any Catholic Christian that voted for the most anti-Biblical president in American history. And for all the “Catholics” that believe in murdering the unborn I say it’s time to leave the faith. I try to live my faith the way God intended me to live it, and faithful Catholics are being made to look bad by all these cafeteria types. The Episcopalian Church awaits you. If I never heard the name Cuomo again it would be too soon.
Conversion to what, Mary?
Immaculate Heart of Mary, do thou offer to the Eternal Father the Precious Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, for the conversion of Governor Andrew Coumo. Amen
Charles :Porter Only 10% of lay religious teachers now accept Catholic Church teachings on birth controlling (which of course the practice we know secures abortion rights because of often failure to prevent conception).
53% of lay religious teachers believe Catholics can have an abortion and remain a good Catholic.
65% believe that Catholics may divorce and remarry.
See “Tumultuous Times” by Fathers Radecki, page 496
Charles :Porter
I apologize profusely for posting the information on Lisa Marie Contini. She makes many good points but she contradicts what she was initially doing a good job to defend. When parents are given the option to opt their children out of what is taught in parochial schools, that should raise red flags in anyone’s mind.
Holy Mother Church does not put a gun to anyone’s head, nor ever needs to apologize, nor ever includes an ‘opt out’ clause on anything taught by our Pontiffs. Something is seriously wrong with her reasoning.
Charles :Porter I’ve sent more information and all in respect for the audience here, but moderator will not allow it to be posted. Facts are miserably things.
Charles :Porter See the infamous dinner invitation to Obama and this letter:
An Open Letter to Cardinal Dolan [from Judy Brown of the American Life League]
In the letter she said: “The question is NOT why you invited Mr. Obama to the dinner. The real question is why he accepted….”
http://gloria.tv/?media=322278
You consider your granddaughter safe in his schools??!
Charles “Porter “The McHugh Chronicles” by Randy Engel reports that it is not Planned Parenthood that led the way exclusively to get sex education in classrooms. See how Catholic priests were major movers of destroying Catholicism using Catholic money. To date, there have been no excommunications, no apologies, and no explanations for these men in black and only silence by conciliarists.
Charles “Porter GOOGLE - “Children Need Morality” by Lisa Marie Contini.
Charles “Porter - I’m going to have difficulties giving you all the information I have because moderator will prevent it. I’ll do what I can. Know this with certainty: your granddaughter cannot be depended on telling you about the vices she is being exposed to that is harming her education. Sex education is meant to detract from the mission of each child God intended for them to accomplish. The UNcatetachized voices are getting the response and the attention to teach their children sexualized materials UNsuitable in parochial classrooms. In fact, it is now acceptable in the church that parents accept assistance in this most tender area of their children’s education. (See- Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality document).
Sex education is mandated - make no mistake in every diocese in the U S. See this site(I have more if I can get it posted, that is):
http://www.motherswatch.net/content/view/12/6/ - Part 1
http://www.motherswatch.net/content/view/15/6/ - Part 2
Joe, did Cardinal Dolan tell you who he voted for and if not where do you get your information? Also tell me what Catholics schools have sex education classes. It certainly is not the Catholic school my grandaughter attends in Buffalo, NY. It is a great Catholic school and I thank God she is going there. CB.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/nyregion/new-york-archdiocese-criticizes-sex-education-mandate.html?_r=0
Mark, Are you also asking to ex communicate ‘Cardinal’ Dolan who campaigned for Obama, and the ‘men’ who mandate sexualized catechetics in parochials schools also?
EXCOMMUNICATE CUOMO. everything he does and says is opposed to the teaching of the church.
Jim on Monday, Jan 28, 2013 1:54 PM said, “….Sadly the Church has done much to destroy its reputation and credibility and a poor job teaching the Faith.”
Jim, that is the post conciliar church. That is not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Christ instituted. You need to start drawing some boundary lines on what Holy Mother Church teaches to distinguish what church you are detailing. Christ’s Church “neither deceives nor is deceived” as we pray in the prayer, “An Act of Faith”
Charles,
I take your point but unfortunately there are too many self-identified Catholics who have seperated their faith from their vote. Whether this stems from a disenfranchised mindset as it relates to the Church’s teaching on contraception, it has bridged up to candidates boldy and audaciously proclaiming their Catholic status yet rejectig almost all the Church’s teachings on sexual morality and ethics.
We have many many “cafeteria Catholics” who by and large think the Church should just “stay out of people’s bedrooms”. The funny thing is that the Church has no interest at all in policing someone’s bedroom—they are merely speaking the truth that comes from a 2000 year old discernment on what the Son of God and the Holy Spirit have subsequently revealed to us. The Church represents and speaks to this Truth and protects it.
I don’t see this issue as racially, enthnicity, or gender driven, but it is one driven by the presence or absence of God in all aspects of an individual’s life. It is education driven in the sense that once one drives God out of their life there is simply no Wisdom. No truth. But this has more to do with an individual hearing the Word of God and choosing to incoporate it into their lives. Sadly, the idea of identifying one’s self as a Catholic means participating in some rituals or practices when it is convenient or expedient for an individual rather than entering into a depp, ever-growing realtionship with Jesus Christ and making that the center of one’s life.
Too many Catholics today see the Church as just a bunch of rule and regulations that are prmarily arbitrary as opposed to the Bride Of Christ—who is hear to be the living presence of our Lord. Sadly the Church has done much to destroy its reputation and credibility and a poor job teaching the Faith. However the reality of Christ and His objective Truth provides us with the light necessary to move forward. 500,000 people descended on Washington DC for the March to Life, Planned Parenthood is worried and thinking of changing “pro-choice” to something new, and this latest development from the Alabama Supreme Court: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/alabama-supreme-court-recognizes-unborn-as-children do give us hope that the Lord is working on this.
Cuomo is trash—- an accomodating politician who stands for nothing but “I’ll give you everything you ask for” until the money and credit runs out. He is the ultimate deciever and scatterer. Eventually his truth will “out” itself. Until that time we must help each other grow in our Faith. And strengthen and deepen our relationship with Our Lord.
I think many Hispanic immigrants KNOW that Obama is for example Pro
Abortion but are in fear that ( as Romeny was incorrectly portrayed
by the media) Republicans will treat their legal/illegal status very
harshly and so vote for “their guy”! I have an teacher’s aide, a
Mexican woman, who told me this privately as I have told it here.
I think the church could help here by properly “educating” them on
citizenship.
As for that being the sole/main reason the Catholic vote goes mostly
to the Democrats in general and Obama in particular, look at their
voting history, way back to when unions were particularly favored by
the church as helping the little guy. Most Catholics still vote for
the Democratic party as here in America political ideology is stronger
on election day than spiritual identity with the Catholic church. It’s
just as simple as that. The USCCB has nearly always supported Democratic
positions over those of the Republican. Privately many are Democrats and
it is reflected in their hestitancy in calling out dissident Catholic pols as well as President Obama’s strong call for abortion on demand…until recently when with the HHS mandate they were realizing
how this would affect the whole scheme of things financially for the Church.
Rosemary: No funding for ACORM since 2008 from the bishops. It was outrageous they ever got a cent from Catholics. ACORN was a crooked organization, plus led your girls to abortions.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/the_catholic_bishops_and_acorn.html
Charles Porter - Don’t forget it was the U S Bishops who gave millions of dollars to the coffers of ACORN to assist Obama’s election to office of president. Are they uneducated also? Please explain.
@@@Roger on Saturday, Jan 26, 2013 6:32 AM
Were they traditional Roman Catholics?
Jim, to clarify your statement, democrats get the brown (hispanic) vote because of all the illegals in the country that vote democrat and because of the other hispanics that are on the government dole. These people classify themselves as Catholic when a reporter asks them, but most are totally ignorant of their faith. I have talked to many poor mexicans that think Omama is great. When I tell them he’s pro-abortion, they either don’t believe me or tell me he’s pro-life and want to argue with me. Informed Catholics that take their faith seriously don’t vote for pro-death, pro-homosexual “marriage” candidates. But once again it is hispanics, mostly illegals that democrats get to vote (without an ID by the way), that put that percentage of Catholic voters over 50% for the party of death.
No doubt he’s running that’s obvious to see, what is less obvious but just as true is that if you take strong “anti-Catholic” positions, you actually GET the Catholic vote!!
Shameful…....
Rumor has it Cuomo is running for President in 2016. That is why he pushing for all these anti-Catholic laws.
I agree that Cardinal Dolan should be more forceful. I would refer the Cardinal to the late Archbishop Rummel of New Orleans who excommunicated five prominent segregationists in the early 1960’s.
RE: Canon Law
“It is forbidden that the Sacraments of the Church be ministered to heretics and schismatics, even if they ask for them and are in good faith, unless beforehand, rejecting their errors, they are reconciled with the Church.” (1917 Roman Catholic Code of Canon Law, Canon 731.2)
New Canon Law - 844:
§3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.
Shamrock, Canon Law was designed to save souls. Do you have the encyclical in regards to its implementation? When one discovers that the ‘new’ canon laws do not protect our youth from sexualized catechetics mandated by bishops, nor from the parochial school teachers who believe birth controlling is acceptable, than I think it’s time to ask what is the value of them. Likewise, why is ‘cardinal’ Burke silent and not raising a loud voice against sex education in classrooms condemned by Pontiffs? What happened to truth?
This is the Decree of March 21, 1931 from the Congregation of the Holy office forbidding sex education:
Question: May the method called ‘sex education’ or even‘sex initiation’ be approved?
Answer: “No. In the education of youth the method to be followed is that hitherto observed by the Church and the Saints as recommended by His Holiness the Pope in the Encyclical dealing with the Christian Education of Youth, (Divini Illius Magistri) promulgated December 31, 1929…”
Bishops of the U S issued a Statement of November 17, 1950 regarding the role of parents in the instruction of children on matters relating to sex……”We protest in the strongest possible terms against the introduction of sex instruction into the school!!” (their emphasis not mine)
Pope Pius XII, Address to the French Fathers and Families on September 18, 1951 on the matter of sex initiation and propaganda, “……..procreation and education of children are the serious duties of married couples……Fathers of families.. Unite and to stop and curtail these movements…..”
Pope Pius XII in his address of April 13, 1953, states that personal sex instruction of children and youth in the home should place special stress “upon self mastery and religious training.”
see Randy Engel’s book page 58-59, “Sex Education The Final Plague”.
Take the time to ask a canonist at the St. Joseph’s Foundation in Texas about these major discrepancies with the papacy.
Shamrock, go back and read what I wrote. You are making things up.
1) I never told Cardinal Burke what to do.
2) I suggested that any US Bishops who have issues about high profile SCANDAL cases, consult with Cardinal Burke - if they need consults. (We don’t want our Bishops to make errors, do we?)
——- As far as I am concerned, Cardinal Burke is THEE authority on Canon Law, and apparently the Pope thinks so or he would not have appointed the Cardinal to his current Vatican position.
Yes, I have a legal background and I did read all the appropriate Canons - 1311 through 1399.
Again - Bishops do have recourse without changing Canon Law as incorrectly stated by Mr. Peters, when SCANDAL is involved.
- - - “Can. 1399 In addition to the cases established here or in other laws, the external violation of a divine or canonical law can be punished by a just penalty only when the special gravity of the violation demands punishment and there is an urgent need to prevent or repair scandals. ” - - -
You are correct that the opinion of mine, yours, or Mr. Peters is not that important in the world-wide Church. That is precisely why Cardinal Burke should be consulted. But - Canon 212 clearly states under OBLIGATIONS and RIGHTS of ALL the CHRISTIAN FAITHFUL - ” §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons.”
Yes, I have written directly to a few Bishops, and advise that if they have any concerns to contact Cardinal Burke.
And, yes I believe it is not in the best interest of the Church to let SCANDAL and RELATIVISM stand within the Church in the USA.
1 Cor 5:11-13.
Anne, I think what Joe is telling you is that he is a Catholic and not a conciliarist.
@Anne…surely Cardinal Burke is as aware of all the facts available to us and most likely more. The operation of the world wide church is not subject to your opinion…nor mine. Why should you or I or anyone else have to *inform* Cardinal Burke to do his job? Why should I have more faith in what you say than an actual canon lawyer whose website is seen and read and trusted by many Caholic bloggers. Yes, you are right in one does not have an opportunity to comment on what he is writing but that in itself should not raise *suspicions* as you suggest. That is not the purpose of his blog. He states that his blogs represent his *opinion* on various matters of church or canon law. That is the job of a canon lawyer, to interpret the law, as written for the Bishops. I find it interesting that you see his job as a matter of advising the Bishops on how “to get around the Code of Canon Law” rather than assisting them in solving the problem of scandal,etc. Do you consider yourself an expert on canon law. Reading the law is one thing, interpreting it correctly is quite another. One does not read law in isolation but rather in the context of the whole of canon law. You are entitled also to your opinion but the manner in which you express yourself here comes across a bit officious and arrogant. I stand by my earlier comment that most commenting here are doing so not from legal knowledge of how canon law is
interpreted but rather from emotion. I would prefer to trust the word of the trained lawyer than the “man in the street” so to speak.
I really wish that journalists & the Register would refrain for referencing politicians like Gov. Cuomo as “Catholic” because he insults the Catholic faith evrydAy with his anti- Catholic stand on all social issues & by living with his girlfriend Sandra Lee. When Mr. Smith & other writers for the register publish , maybe they could put Catholic in quotes b/c there is nothing Catholic about Mr. Cuomo. I have seen photos of him & Ms. Lee both receiving communion even though Cuomo has not, to my knowledge, petitioned for an annulment. So, if living outside the laws of the church isn’t to deny someone communion, then why should the rest of us work at living with the “confines of the Ten Commandments”.... When will our priests &. Bishops stand up for the Church?????
So glad you brought up the site of Edward Peters.
His assessment is incorrect. Further he will not permit comments/questions to his personal opinion which makes his opinion even more suspect.
He merely quotes 915,and Canon 1398 which only has to do with: “A person who procures a completed abortion”. This has nothing to do with politicians unless they actually procured an abortion themselves which is not usually public information.
Peters should have been quoting Canon 1399.
- - - - “Can. 1399 In addition to the cases established here or in other laws, the external violation of a divine or canonical law can be punished by a just penalty only when the special gravity of the violation demands punishment and there is an urgent need to prevent or repair scandals.”
- - - - - CCC: “2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.
Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice,
or to “social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible.
This is also true of business leaders who make rules encouraging fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger, or manipulators of public opinion who turn it away from moral values. “
Don’t always believe what people tell you when they call themselves ‘experts’.
Check the Code of Canon Law on the Vatican web site and your CCC.
I recommend that any Bishop who has a public SCANDAL within his Diocese to check with Raymond L. Burke, Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, for accurate ways to proceed.
Cardinal Burke does not make his living advising Bishops on how to get around Code of Canon Law, but assists them in solving the problem of SCANDAL.
Dpn…go to the website of Canonist Edward Peters to learn what the Bishops can and cannot do according to Church laws re excommunication.
Bishops are obliged to follow the laws of the Church just as are the laity. Most commenting here have only a vague sense of what those laws state and are making their assumptions based more upon emotion than actual law.
Many of those on the far right or far left think they know more than the Pope. They attack the Magisterium’s (- which includes the Pope) “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition”.
CCC: - - - QUOTE ” 2089
INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.
APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith.
SCHISM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. ” UNQUOTE
- - - QUOTE: “ The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved ... and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium.
I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. “ – Pope John Paul II. (CCC pg 5) UNQUOTE
Anne, your statement is not a Catholic principle. You said: “As I stated heretics and schismatics can be to the far right as well as the far left.”
Either you love Christ, His Church, obedient to the Papacy and are devoted to the Blessed Mother or you are not and practicing heresy. It’s not a left or right position within the Catholic Church.
I have no reason to ask questions of C.C. von Schönborn. There are enough credible sources for me to evaluate that he and I aren’t in the same church.
Anne, Can you explain what is the icon on the cover of the CCC?
Agree with you Joe, AND PURSUING ALL AND LOOKING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD US.
Don, there is no precedence in what you are asking or expecting.
Jim, the only weapon the People of God have got is money, and the withholding of it. The next is obedience to ALL God’s Commandments, sacrifice and pray the Rosary daily as Our Blessed Mother asked of us. There are no short cuts.
Jim, it’s starts from the top to teach, guide, guard and protect the Total Deposit of Faith. I suspect C.C. Schönborn is a possible candidate for the next conciliar pope.
His Bishop should call a press conference (inviting the NY Times and everyone else) and state that it is with deep regret he must announce that Gov. Cuomo is being cast out of God’s house for his stubborn refusal to adhere to Church teaching, that of course he would be welcome back if he authentically repents and cofesses, but that step is necessary because his conduct is causing great scandal to the Church and it must be made known to all Catholics that the positions he advocates are evil and supporting them and remain an member in good standing of the Catholic Church. Sadly, it is obvious at this point that the Bishops of NY will do nothing concrete. I don’t mean to be uncharitable, but the only conclusion one can reach is that they are afraid of the consequences.
Joe, I have never met Cardinal Schoenborn. I told you if you want to know the true acts or reasons of any individual Cardinal or Bishop you will have to ask him directly if you are interested in the truth.
In addition where did you get the false idea that I have any authority at any Catholic University?
Stick to the topics and stop attacking posters with non-related topics that you pull out of thin air.
Whether you like it or not, if you are Catholic you must adhere to the CCC in entirety.
As I stated heretics and schismatics can be to the far right as well as the far left.
“ The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved ... and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. “ – Pope John Paul II. (CCC pg 5)
Joe
You are correct that there are numerous example of stupid, lazy, corrupted, inept and plain evil clergy actions that certainly have a role in contributing to an embarrassingly weak and shameful effort to counter, dissuade, or lead the respective Catholic flock to a better place.
But NONE of this justifies the actions of these “Catholic” leaders—- if our Bishops won’t condemn these individuals actions perhaps we need to as the People of God.
Anne, you didn’t bat an eyelash that Christoph Cardinal Schönborn, ecclesiastical advisor for Ave Maria University who has given a Pontifical award to pro abort politicians twice. I’ve paid for a few bricks in the building of that school, therefore, I have complained about this man’s character. There have been no apologies; no interdict, no excommunication, no explanations to date. Your additional explanations are highly doubtful. Ask Tim Drake from the N C R who has written about students graduating from ‘catholic’ universities and colleges with less faith than when they entered. Then of course how much faith did they have when their minds were centered upon the sexualized catechetics in the parochial schools as is proven in the “Growing In Love” curriculum?
@ etal
Pope St. Felix III stated clearly what we must do: “Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
Saint John Fisher said that “He who goes about to take the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from the Church plots no less a calamity than if he tried to snatch the sun from the universe.”
Clementius….Everything you said is spot on! regarding the Cuomo, Biden,
Pelosi, Sibilious Catholic in Name Only Crowd of Politicians. Now we do
know that they are NOT Catholics in good standing and we mean by that they have publically gone against the basic teachings of the Church on abortion, homosexuality, same-sex marriage, all the hot button issues
in politics for what it would seem to be glory and gain here, in place of glory hereafter. That really is not to difficult to understand albeit I grant you most do not know they have excommunicated themselves by these actions. Perhaps their bishop(s)have pointed this out privately to them but we cannot be sure of that since it is not publically acknowledged by either *side*. Instead we have Catholics perpetuating their careers and enabling these immoral activities ( the Catholic vote) because few are not being chastized by the hierarchy for their immorality. Why we must ask is this happening or rather NOT happening. It can only be for one or more of the following reasons: (1) the Bishops as a group will this to be so (2) The Bishops are driven more by political agenda than their religious vows (3) the Bishops naively think this will in time all straighten itself out (4) for nefarious reasons do not want to get involved. Whether any or all of these are true completely, I surmise some come into play here. As to why Rome does not “do something”? As long as the money from here crosses the pond they back off. If the money shrinks or disappears some may take notice. Many think the prevailing European sentiment is that the American church is and always has been a “problem” and not much can be done. If we wait for Rome to act, we know things will get worse before they improve. The wheels of justice grind slowly everywhere and most especially in the Church of Rome. Someone has commented here that Cuomo has been told not to
present himself for Communion and that he has abided by that. Again, I don’t know that and have no way of knowing that UNLESS someone like a Bishop publically states that as was done in Rhode Island by Patrick Kennedy’s bishop where it became a free for all battle in the press between those two. Perhaps this is what Cardinal Dolan et al are trying
to avoid as surely the secular press would have a field day with the
excommunication of all or any one of these pols. But again, that is my
quess but who knows? All I can see from my limited place in the overall scheme of things is that the Bishops will be damned if they do (excommunicate)of damned if they don’t(excommunicate) by the laity and the world at large. That being said, it would seem that after meditating and praying ( has there been ample time for that: YES! it would seem)some sort of public action is now required in order for this scandal be put to bed and the truly faithful reassured on these matters so they are clear where the Church truly stands and why their actions matter regarding their eternal souls. Sometimes I think the secular world has a better grasp of that ( not that they agree) than the average Catholic in the pew who seems to be in a perpetual state of confusion on these issues which are NEVER addressed in most parishes. Again, I can only turn to the Lord in prayer and beg His mercy be upon us. It is such a mystery to me in this day of instant communication with high tech devices almost universal, that Catholics remain in large numbers improperly chatechized and generally misinformed about the faith. Since the Bishops have been charged by our High Priest, Jesus Christ, with instructing the faithful and proclaiming the truth, we have to ask where are they, why is this…and what is being done to rectify this most unholy mess?
From what I can see the answer can only be a resoundingly depressing,NOTHING!!!meaningful by most of those in charge!
Clementius, you are correct that Cuomo has excommunicated himself (latae sententias (automatic), but since the US Cardinals, Bishops, and most Priests do NOT teach about automatic excommunication - the vast majority of Catholics do not understand or know how one excommunicates himself, or if it is even possible. Most have never heard of this.
In order to be excommunicated, one must know and understand. Therefore there are many who have no clue they have committed an excommunicatable offense.
In addition, since most Catholics and non-Catholics are never taught about latea sententias, nor do the Bishops and Priests call these politicians -‘Catholic heretics’ or ‘Catholic schismatics’ - the public SCANDALS continue without correction.
For example: Cardinal Dolan publically said he was glad that Catholics Paul Ryan and Joe Biden were running for office. Cardinal Dolan did not say Catholic Paul Ryan and Catholic ‘Schismatic’ Joe Biden in the public media. Thus the confusion and relativism continues.
The grave SCANDALS by those who profess to be Catholic have gotten so wide-spread in the USA due to neglect that the Bishops must excommunicate ab-homine (publically) - to teach the offender, and to teach and stop the confusion amongst not only Catholics but non-Catholics as well. Scandal and Relativism within the Church must be stopped.
An excommunicated Catholic can be reinstated provided he repents, and makes public reparation for his scandal.
For all who are interested on the net search: ” Catholic Encyclopedia Excommunication “.
For a quote from St. Paul regarding excommunication see: 1 Cor 5:11-13.
Attn:Gov Cuomo, Any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly obtains a procured abortion commits a mortal sin and is also automatically excommunicated, under canon 1398.
Under the laws of secular society, if one person commits a crime, then anyone who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for that person to commit that crime is called an accessory to that crime and is also subject to the penalties of law. Similarly, any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for any woman to procure an abortion also commits a mortal sin and also incurs the same sentence of excommunication.
Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
New York State is by itself leading to its own destruction.. Is this how they define victory? It is PERDITION actually. I just have to wait and see..evil is prowling at them seeking their ruin! They find no sense in the very life that they themselves are endowed with by the Creator,Himself.
Indeed,God bless them with His Spirit of love, wisdom and holy fear of The Lord,
Anybody who is attending the March for Life March on Friday, January 25, 2013 should watch afterwards how the mainstream media avoids any coverage of it or how they will talk about it in a negative way with very minimal coverage no matter how many thousands of people attended that march.
It is disgusting and shameful that the mainstream media is so biased in not presenting and reporting other points of view that do not agree with their left wing liberal agenda especially when it comes to the people who are against abortion and against same sex marriage.
Is a formal interdict or decree of excommunication necessary to impose on Cuomo? No. By his own decree he has already excommunicated himself ipso facto, latae sententias (automatic). Though perhaps, his bishop should issue the interdict in formal so everybody will see the stigma he carries.
Posted by clementius on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 4:17 AM (EDT):
In Coumo’s case, as well as for all who advocate abortion and homosxuality, regardless whether explicit or not, incurs excommunication ipso facto, latae sententiae (automatic). There is no need for a formal interdict or decree, though that is desirable to give notice and make people aware of the excommunication.
A public excommunication would be much more effective because non-Catholics do not understand ipso facto, latae sententiae. They see self proclaimed Catholics supporting the culture of death with no repercussions! It sets a very bad example to the rest and leads many to believe that “it must be OK”. That is why we have to suffer another 4 years with this abomination. And it may be the end of our country as we know it. Remember all the the sinful societies that have bit the dust! Pray we are not next. God bless you!
Father Michael Dolan, I bought the Kindle edition of Where Have all the Catholics Gone last night and stayed up very late reading it. Where are all the priests like you? Most are very holy men but why are they afraid to speak up?!? We are in dire need of some public excommunications for some very public sin! Your book is right on! Every traditional Catholic’s dream.
Our parish was assigned a progressive priest last Fall. It has been very difficult watching him break the rules, crystal and pottery for the Eucharist, blue vestments for Advent, music during the Eucharistic prayer, modifications to the Eucharistic prayer, Mary was an unwed mother sermons, etc. It appears that he is acting in the “spirit of Vatican II”. I pray he sees the light or retires soon. He is 65, praise GOD. As for me I will be in DC on Friday for the March For Life. Pray for a large turn out and a safe journey for all. Please keep up the good work! God bless you!
Shamrock, we can do nothing without God. You are right that prayer is critical.
Regarding action/deed of those Baptised and Confirmed - - CCC: “1285 ......... Hence they are, as true witnesses of Christ, more strictly obliged to spread and defend the faith by word and deed. “
Joe, you mentioned AVE MARIA UNIVERSITY near Naples, FL.
There are no Cardinals on the Board of Trustees. Bishop Frank Dewane (his Diocese), and Bishop David M. O’Connell are Trustees. A famous name you may recognize is Fr. Mitch Pacwa, also a Trustee.
Regarding the “mandatum” required by Code of Canon Law - all Ave Maria faculty members teaching in the area of theology, as well as those in campus ministry, formally take the Profession of Faith and Oath of Fidelity, as prescribed by the Church.
There is 24 hour Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament in the Chapel.
I am with Anne. We can only complain about it to the degree we are willing to do SOMETHING about it.
Write Cuomo’s Bishop, write the USCCB, write the Papal Nuncio—- report this. demand a public response from our Church to the public “Catholic” enablers of this genocide.
Maybe even MORE importantly—PRAY—- for God’s help, for the lives being destroyed, the mothers who are caught in the “fog” of our times, our society, and an indifferentism or ignorance of a better way or of the love, support and assistance they can get withing their Church community, and through their faith and love in God.
And then DO SOMETHING—donation, go to a rally, go to a Mass, say a rosary, air your POV, whatever—but DO SMETHING that helps proclaim that you are AGAINST this horrible genocide.
Thanks!
Anne…I agree with everything you say because it is stated in compliance with the Church’s teachings. However, there is one thing I take issue
with and that is this: God demands our actions as well” referring to
prayer as something other than sufficient? Since when is prayer less
effective a means of participation and/or petition?
As Tennyson reminded the world, “More things are wrought
by prayer than this world dreams of…”! We, the laity, can March for Life,evangelize our separated brethren, proclaim the gospel to the nations, but none of these thing will succeed unless they are supported by prayer. In my mind and I believe in the mind of the Church, each is dependent upon the other and neither is superior to the other. Perhaps you have been led to believe otherwisebecause we read in Paul’s letter that works without faith are dead.And visa versa.However this doesn’t mean that one is better than the other. If I have misunderstood your post to Father DolanI apologize but that is what it seemed to say. Also
“when the faithful stand up in large numbers, change in behavior will
take place”...is another somewhat ambiguous statement. Might does not make right nor is does the USCCB make decisions based upon poll numbers.
You might want to clarify these points.
Joe, if you want to know why any Bishop or Cardinal does something, you will have to ask him yourself. You will rarely get complete and accurate answers in the media.
Personal actions of any individuals have zero to do with the accuracy of the CCC - which has been approved by two POPES and the MAGISTERIUM of the Church. In fact, it is heresy or schism to reject any teachings in the CCC, and the CCC must be taken in entirety - no picking or choosing.
As long as people have the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” “revised in accordance with the official Latin text promulgated by Pope John Paul II” there are no translation errors.
“ The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved ... and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. “ – Pope John Paul II. (CCC pg 5)
YOUCAT has always been accurate except for the few translation errors in the Italian version and was corrected within a few weeks of originally being printed. There have never been any translation errors in the English version.
Now, Joe there is no debate about the CCC. If you have concerns that you do not believe in, contact your parish Priest, your Diocese Bishop, or the Vatican. You know that heretics and schismatics are not only the far left, but the far right as well.
Fr. Mike Dolan, if anyone knows why someone should be excommunicated for obstinate and public and grave violations of Church teaching - they should write to the Diocese Bishop where the politician/or public offender lives.
If that does not work, they should write (with documentation of the obstinate offense) to the US Papal Nuncio in Washington DC, and to the Vatican.
They should always provide documentation, and which articles of the CCC and/or Code of Canon Law which has been violated.
Code of Canon Law is on the Vatican web site.
Yes, we should pray, but God demands our action as well.
When the Faithful stand up in large numbers, change of behavior will take place.
There is only division when people do not know their Faith, or do not stand up for the teachings of their Church as stated in the CCC.
Joe - your attempt to defame the CCC which has been approved by two Popes and the Magisterium will not work.
Re: YOUCAT (for teens) it only had a few translation errors in the Italian version which has been fixed, NEVER in the English version. It has the approval and introduction by Pope Benedict, himself.
Re: CCC, yes Cardinal Schoenborn and Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict) were heavily involved in writing the CCC. The approval of the contents by Pope John Paul II and the MAGISTERIUM is what counts. Catholics who do not adhere to the CCC are heretics or schismatics.
As long as people have the “CATECHISM of the CATHOLIC CHURCH, Second Edition” “revised in accordance with the official Latin text promulgated by Pope John Paul II” there are no English translation errors.
If you want to know about the personal actions of any Cardinal or Bishop, you will have to ask him yourself, because that has NOTHING to do with the truth in the CCC.
“ The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved ... and the publication of which I today order by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith and thus a valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion. “ – Pope John Paul II. (CCC pg 5)
@ clementius on Tuesday, Jan 22, 2013 Can you reason your position by Traditonal Magisterial Teachings with susan d: See - Posted by susan d on Sunday, Jan 20, 2013 3:52 PM (EDT)????
She said, “I am a pro-life non-Catholic Christian and I am refusing to stand next to Catholics in the movement anymore…..”
How many people are turned off by so-called claimed Catholics who do not live a life of contradiction? How many people are saying all we need to do is pray, or pray more? Even that alone is not what the Catholic Church teaches. Of course pray! That is a given before action.
Who appoints these bishops who refuse to make corrections of those causing scandal? Our youth are watching how grownups haven’t the fortitude to defend Christ and His teachings.
@ Fr. Mike Dolan, MA, MD, MDiv on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 who said, “The prevailing thought is that “common gound” must be sought no matter that the issues are non-negotiable from a Catholic standpoint.”
Please show us in Sacred Tradition/Magisterial Teachings where Catholics are to find “common ground” with heretics.
Why is moderator slow to allow discussions that are respectful?
In Coumo’s case, as well as for all who advocate abortion and homosxuality, regardless whether explicit or not, incurs excommunication ipso facto, latae sententiae (automatic). There is no need for a formal interdict or decree, though that is desirable to give notice and make people aware of the excommunication.
Abortion P.Parenthood, the Govt and the Church. Listen on You Tube http://WWW.MOSTHOLYFAMILYMONASTERY.COM
susan d - You and I are on the same page except for one major difference. I’m a Roman Catholic. The charges you have are against the post – Vatican II new-formed religion claimed Catholic but surely it is not. Read the 16 documents. Catholics did not vote Obama in as president. It’s the conciliarists who want their cake and eat it too. The world suffers with their tolerance for errors and always trying to make ambiguities sound Catholic.
was posted by ANNE on Monday, Jan 21, 2013 1:45 PM (EDT):
———-“In this day and age with links to the Vatican web site, and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” we have a wealth of TRUTH at our fingertips.”
T his catechism that you hold so highly, let me state a few facts about the editor of it:
The general editor of the CCC is Christoph Cardinal Schönborn and also he is the author of YouCat. As you know YouCat has been recalled because of errors.
C.C. von Schönborn is the current ecclesiastical advisor at Ave Marie University, Naples, Florida. Why does he hold this position when he has TWICE given the Pontifical Order of St. Gregory the Great Award to PRO- abort politicians?
http://catholiccitizens.org/press/pressview.asp?c=47112
Von Schönborn is also known for his balloon masses and calls the Buddhist, Dalai Lama, Holiness
\Card_ Schönborn Invites the Dalai Lama to Pentecost Mass by Marian Horvat.htm
Facts are stubborn things.
My name is Fr. Mike Dolan.What we are seeing is a long standing position on the part a large percentage of the hierarchy to distance themselves from any definitive action in response to scandalous behavior on the part of “Catholic” politicians especially if they are democrats.The prevailing thought is that “common gound” must be sought no matter that the issues are non-negotiable from a Catholic standpoint. A couple of years ago I wrote a book, We Are A House Divided (iUniverse Publicers), which dealt with the very issues that we are experiencing today. Last year I revised it under the title, Where Have All the Catholics Gone. It was sent to a number of prominent Catholics both clerical and laic. Aside from one supportive bishop the overall sentiment was dismissive. Prayer for the resolution of the current issues or at least an explanation for the inaction seems to be all that is left for us.
Hey Jim – In regards to excommunications. Go to the canon lawyers at The St. Joseph’s Foundation in Texas and ask what leverage families have against those bishops who allow 90% of their teachers who believe that birth controlling is perfectly normal and acceptable to teach in their schools. I was shocked that there is no recourse against these teachers. They are protected by the new code of canon laws. In the ‘20s Cardinal Hayes called abortion evil and the practice of birth controlling satanic. The new code of canon laws is not a defense for our youth who are being used as fodder to destroy Catholicism.
For those calling for excommunication of these dissidents calling themselves Catholic, it is not as easily done as suggested here. The
Bishop must follow canon law and all commenting here would do well
to go read canon law on excommunication. Simply put, as disgusting
and demonic as Cuomo’s proposals are, he cannot be excommunicated for this, as the canon reads now. His actions have not met the requirements as the law stands now. For the particulars go see Edward Peter’s website on the canon law ivolving excommunication. He explains this in detail and he is a canon lawyer so should know of what he speaks. He also explains why these laws need to be rewritten and brought up to date
in order to be of use to the Bishop. Not as aimple as just making that
call…Now the one about refusing the sacrament of Holy Eucharist is
much more easily applied and is being used instead in many cases such
as pointed out here in the Cuomo case. But get informed about the rule
of excommunication before accusing the Bishops of being *soft* on its
use.
If there is any Charity (including the Al Smith Dinner Foundation), that does not EVANGELIZE, then it is no longer valid, and can not be hosted by Church Hierarchy.
Go to the Vatican web site, and read: “ON THE SERVICE OF CHARITY” which went into force on Dec.10, 2012.
- - - - - ” Nevertheless, to the extent that such activities are promoted by the Hierarchy itself, or are explicitly supported by the authority of the Church’s Pastors, there is a need to ensure that they are managed in conformity with the demands of the Church’s teaching and the intentions of the faithful, and that they likewise respect the legitimate norms laid down by civil authorities.”
- - - - - “ The Church’s deepest nature is expressed in her three-fold responsibility: of proclaiming the word of God (kerygma-martyria),
celebrating the sacraments (leitourgia) and exercising the ministry of charity (diakonia).
These duties presuppose each other and are inseparable” (Deus Caritas Est, 25). “
- - - - - ” The Church’s charitable activity at all levels must avoid the risk of becoming just another form of organized social assistance (cf. ibid., 31).”
Patricia .......Thank you for your post and thank GOD for Father Mooradd! I wish the bishops would put this letter in every newspaper in the country! Their are too many progressive priests who send mixed messages. Woe to them if they don’t amend their ways. And woe to those Catholics who should know better! God bless you!
Right on Anne! The Church can absolutely excommunicate. he Bishops need to intensify their language and most importantly intensify their preaching.
These politicians who think the can get away with one way posing or double talk need to be dropped both from the Catholic rolls as well as these inside-out disingenuous bull sheet sessions. It’s time to hold them absolutely accountable on what they stand for.
D
It would be a wonderful thing in my opinion if Cardinal Dolan no longer held the Al Smith dinners. I don’t see how the Cardinal could possibly laugh and joke around with politicians who are passing laws that are very offensive to God and laws against the Christian Faith. Money is raised from the Al Smith dinners but is it really worth it when Cardinal Dolan does not express his opposition to same sex marriage and abortion at these dinners whereby it almost looks like he is accepting these laws? He also has nothing negative to say about the politicians who help enact those laws because he does not want to offend any politician? Why?
I know this comment will be rather long, but It is worth reading. This was on the back of our Church bulletin the week before election. It was preceded by many excellent homilies on voting and morality. Just to let you know that all our priests are not cowards.
CATHOLICS CANNOT BE DEMOCRATS
By Fr. Paul Mooradd
Up until the very last hours of 2012 when the Democrats and only the Democrats, passed into law the Affordable Healthcare Act, better known as Obama Care, you could be both a Catholic by faith and a member of the Democratic Party in politics. Now those are two mutually exclusive beliefs. For the Catholic Church believes and righfully requies all of its members to believe, that to deliverately abort a pregnancy is to murder an innocent child. Democratshowever, have just informed Americans, regardless of their religious beliefs, which would force them to participate directly in the murder of innocent children by paying for a mother to abort her own pregnancy. For Catholics, it is no diferent than the Nazi Party forcing every German to participate in and support the Holocaust. The argument offered by both political partics, Nazi and Democrat is the same. It will improve the health of the nation. Democrats are forcing Catholics to pay for abortions and thereby participate in these murders against their religious beliefs. Therefore you can no longer be a faithful Catholic and a registered member of the Democratic Party.
Furthermore, in the election to be held November 6, 2012 a faithful Catholic may not vote for a Democfat as President or even for Congress in either House or Senate, because Democrats at their recent convention pledged themselves to press for full enactment of Obamacare in 2014. If you are a Catholic and you can not bring yourself to vote for any of the other candidates for these offices who are pledged to repeal Obamacare, then you should not vote at all. Up to now the matter of abortion has been decided for you; but now in this election, because Obamacare has not yet taken effect and one candidate wants it wile the other would repeal it, the question of abortion has been put directly to you. You can no longer say that you personally do not believe in abortion, if you by your vote willingly agree to fund abortions and force other against their conscience and their faith to do so also.
No other issue in this election is relevant. A faithful Catholic cannot say I want better treatment for immigrants; therefore I will vote for the Democrat and thereby willingly fund the murder of millions of innocent children. A Faithful Catholic cannot vote for the Democrat hoping they will bring Word Peace, while also knowing that such a vote will sponsor the murder of millions of innocent children. Likewise a faithful Catholic may not vote to selfishly benefit from economic issues, if it will give millions of others the money they want to abort their own pregnancy and murder their own child.
For true Catholics this election is not about politics. It is about our Faith. It is about Life-Life as a right not given to us by democratic governments, but by Almighty God.
Susan: The Catholic Church started the pro-life movement the minute Roe v. Wade was written into law. Protestant faiths went along with it for years and saw nothing wrong with aborting children. You seem to hold a special hatred for the Catholic Church. Practicing Catholics do not vote for liberal democrats that believe in abortion. I suggest you use some of that venom you like to spew for the 95% of black PROTESTANTS, who attend Church each and every Sunday, who voted for brother Barry. In the meantime I suggest you look into the Catholic Church. Afterall it’s the only faith I can recall that has stood the test of time for over 2,000 years and it’s doctrine never changes because it comes from the Holy Bible, not a show of hands like PROTESTants. Have a great day.
When people say something that does not sound right (even if it is a Priest or Bishop), we have an obligation to ask to see the documentation from the Vatican.
In this day and age with links to the Vatican web site, and the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” we have a wealth of TRUTH at our fingertips.
- - - - - Regarding EXCOMMUNICATION - yes the Church allows for excommunication.
Excommunication has never been outlawed within the Church.
Vatican II never did away with the teaching of St. Paul - 1 Cor 5:11-13.
- - - - - Also Canon ‘915’ has been and is continued in the revised Code of Canon Law of 1983.
“Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion. ”
- - - - - In addition, you may find that Canon Lawyer, CARDINAL RAYMOND BURKE’s: “The Discipline Regarding the Denial of Holy Communion to Those Obstinately Persevering in Manifest Grave Sin” to be most interesting.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/holycom/denial.htm
- - - - - For those who are interested in the details of excommunication: http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=4487 - Catholic Encyclopedia ‘Excommunication’.
Please mark these sites as favorites and share with others in helping to spread the truth.
DT——give us a break—- so you stand by abortion because the Bishops aren’t doing enough? Save us the drama on Concilium/Communio dynamics of VII…...its time to take a stand—are you pro-life or pro-choice? Then the real question comes forward what are you doing about it?
Posted by Dan Trachl on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 12:04 PM (EDT):
“The Cardinal needs to excommunicate Cuomo.”
The cardinals do not oppose sexualized catehetics taught in the parochial schools. Sex education secures abortion. Conciliarists need to stop financially supporting the post Vatican II religion claimed Catholic. That’s the major cause that keeps abortion legal.
There is not one major pro-life group that will combat the atrocity of pornographic materials placed before the eyes of youth in parochial schools preparing them for a life enslaved to lower passions and the need for abortions.
It is pathetic what one will do to advance in the political arena. Wonder what his dad, Mario Cuomo, a graduate of St. John’s University, must think of his son’s newly discovered beliefs that are in direct opposition to the Roman Catholic doctrines we espoused. What a disgrace. Wake up Andrew…this may all backfire on you.
Kathleen: No democrat is pro-life. They don’t exist. No way a democrat can say he/she is pro-life and continue to support a president and party that believes in abortion on demand, right up through 9 months. Voting for a democrat can never be justified in my opinion and any one that calls themselves a Catholic and votes for a democrat in this day and age is woefully ignorant of their faith. Cuomo is a monster, as is Obama. And every time these pro-abort, homosexual “marriage” advocates are referred to as Catholics I want to throw a brick through my TV. Dolan should publically rebuke Cuomo for causing great scandal and harm to the Church, but I am not holding my breath.
Where did you ever get the idea that the Church cannot excommunicate? They most certainly can and what you allege about post-Vatican II is simply not true.
If the hospitals must stop doing business in NY then I hope they take every single piece of equipment, from CAT Scans down to the last paper clip and move them out of state to another hospital. Leave empty shells of buildings so the abortionists cannot just walk in and take over the use the buildings. This is a sad day for our world.
This article literally made me sick to my stomach. My husband and I lost our son at 26 weeks gestation this past September and were devestated. For the past 4 months we’ve been actively trying to concieve with no luck but we have faith that God will allow us to conceive when the time is right. Each day is a struggle and I mourn for the life my son would have had and reading about how heartless human beings can be has deeply saddened me. I tried everything within my power to save my son but ultimately God had different plans. I am so sick and tired of hearing about people purposefully killing innocent children, especially when I fought so hard to save mine.
Instead of using justified murder (abortion) as a way to handle and unwanted pregnancy, how about we teach our pre-teens and teens the truth about sex. No sugar-coating or hand-holding needed. Sex is an act that should be used between a man and a woman within their marriage for the purpose of bringing new life into the world. This is what sex is for! We owe the birth control indusrty for taking the “love” and “faithfulness” out of the act of sex and reduced it to something 2 people do to pass the time. Sex has very real consequences and it is unfair to bring children into the world as a result of carelessness. If pregnancy is NOT the desired outcome DO NOT HAVE SEX!
Perhaps some “good cardinals” need to call the bluff—and excommunicate—“Catholic” Democrats (and not only) who provide aid, cover, and support to abortion. We were told 40 years ago that a judge cannot be excommunicated for voting for abortion—even though Bill Brennan’s vote helped give us 40 years of the abortion disaster we now face. While “Catholics” like Pete Rodino, Tip O’Neill, et al. did nothing to stop abortion, “Catholics” like Ted Kennedy, Pat Leahy, Barbara Mikulski and Joe Biden promoted abortion, and “Catholics” like Governor Cuomo’s daddy sought to provide intellectual cover for their defenses of murder, Catholic bishops have temporized about what to do with these “Catholic” leaders. They have backpedaled from excommunicating them to even debating whether refusing them Communion is appropriate. It’s time for a demonstration of episcopal spine!
The few Catholics left are aligned with the Truth. Most Holy Family Monastery out of New York is still right on target.
This is fantastic! There is nothing I respect more than someone standing up for a vulnerable segment of people. Andrew Cuomo is one of the great leaders of our time. I have never been more proud to be a New Yorker. The only thing I can’t figure out about this article is the term gay marriage with the word “marriage” in quotes, maybe I stumbled into an article written by someone thinking some marriages are more valid than others. Weird. Other than that, a fantastic piece!!
Cuomo, who is Catholic? yea right Just like Obama is a christian.
Here is the Catholic Commandment #5.. You shall not kill.
You are not Catholic, protestant, baptist, Jew or and other religion.
You serve the prince of this world… Satan.
Again the National Catholic Register puts an article like this online and glorifies it with a title, “Cuomos’ BRAVE new Roe”? Whose side are you on? Doesn’t sound like Christ’s side! Cuomo is no different than many of our brothers and sisters. They don’t believe anymore. They were raised in the faith but probably never really learned what God can and does do in a life of those who seek to love Him. That grace is a gift and it comes at different ages and times. Obviously they didn’t see the Catholic faith’s beauty in their life. Perhaps they saw its failure to heal in their life. Or its failure to protect. Its failure to live up to Christ. Or perhaps they believed the secular message that they should be happy and get what they want every day and they didn’t want any sacrifice in their life. Certainly their faith was attacked. Cuomo’s failure is our failure as a Church to pass on the faith. He has complied with not going to communion, so he recognizes he is not a Catholic in good standing. It is the National Catholic Register that is calling him a Catholic to his detriment. He knows he is not living up to the faith. Sadly, according to the article, seventy percent of New Yorkers like his actions. He is realizing his glory on earth. It would be better for his soul for the National Catholic Register not to encourage his descent by labelling him Catholic. As someone who walked away from the Church and was converted when I wasn’t even trying to be converted, I pray Governor Cuomo has an encounter with God that brings him back to faith and respect for God’s hand in every pregnancy.
I am a pro-life non-Catholic Christian and I am refusing to stand next to Catholics in the movement anymore.
Why? Constant sabotage by the Catholic Church against the pro-life movement.
For 40 years, the Catholic church, supposedly pro-life,has been constanting honoring pro-abortion Democrats with honorary PHDs from the highest Catholic universities and other celebratory goodies. Imagine Hitler getting a PHD from the leading German Catholic university because he lowered unemplyment-ridiculous, isn’t it? Good little Germans tolerated the Holocaust because Hitler brought good economics. Do good little Catholics Democrats tolerate the Holocaust of abortion because of social justice?
I keep hearing about canon law, etc. If it is not applied, why have it? The Cuomos, Pelosis, Kennedys, Daleys, and the rest wipe their liberal rumps with canon law.
We all go into an election and pray that the pro-life movement will succeed. It does not, mainly because 25% of pro-life Catholics vote for every Democrat they meet in the name of social Justice. I would rather have a bucket of overcooked noodles as an ally instead of a Catholic because they are so consistantly unreliable and untrustworthy.
The comments previous to mine show that many Catholics are extremely disturbed with the Church leaders and the constant double standard of behavior for Catholics. They have 2 choices with the Church-clean it or leave it.
He needs to be excommunicated and others like him, otherwise the church will have to do away with excommunication allowing itself to become more victimized. The battle just plays on getting worse as any situation does when one burys head in sand. atrocities are being played out in our own back yards. At least stand up and announce a public excommunication that God may find some measure of love in this. These are the times written about, The Blessed Mother says we now must choose the correct path and God will be there for us.
If its true that the Gov wants to allow the death of more babies, my next vote will not be for him. I think he should witness an abortion and then tell me he thinks its ok to tear a baby apart and pull it from its mother (I use the term mother loosely).
It doesn’t matter what your religious beliefs are (I am Catholic), abortion, at any stage is just wrong and it is taking of a life. It needs to be stopped. I am surprised at governor cuomo who is a Catholic, which I now question, for his heartless decision to want to implement such a thing. Praying that he is stopped from doing this.
Excommunicate all of them and then slap Peter Jesser Smith and his editor in the face for describing Dolan’s letter as “forceful”. What a joke. Add the NCR to the list of why 50% of “Catholics” voted for Obama.
Please keep in mind Cardinal Dolan is NOT Cuomo’s bishop, as Cuomo does not reside in the Archdiocese of New York. Dolan only has the bully pulpit available to him. The bishop of Albany, on the other hand, is the one who needs to be hearing from people…
Let us all pray, to again be strong as a church. Many have died for the true faith. but as I see it at almost 69yrs old the church has been watered down with liberial thinking as in we don’t want to offend any body or else they will leave the church, well look good people our churches are not full any more our young have fallen away because I think we have lost our holliness.Our young men are not answering the call for what ever reason,so let us pray that the catholics, will be catholic in word and deed and if it’s necessary they need to be called out and if they really work against faith and morals of the catholic church then they have no need to be catholic and should be Xcommunicated a so the good catholics can see there is a price to pay,They need to be called out on there stand against the church. May God Bless All The Faithfull of the true church.
Those “professing” Catholics will all face their maker one day and atone. Don’t hate the sinner, hate the sin…Pray for the sinner. God himself will judge accordingly. That’s what we were taught. God is watching intently while the devil is working overtime. People in this country have pushed God out of everything. So how’s that working? Not very well, not very well at all. Keep your Faith in God…He is with us.
I only have one request DEAR GOD, PLEASE RE-BLESS AMERICA! SOON.
The Cardinal needs to excommunicate Cuomo. Christians don’t kill babies.
2Chronicles 7:14 “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” God is talking to us. We have work to do!
It amazes me that he is not excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
He is living with a women without being married, he was responsible for the same sex marriage law in NY and now he is promoting the slaughter of even more unborn children through laws.
God will judge all of us for allowing this to happen meaning the same sex marriage laws and abortion.
More people need to speak up about this right now.
Read this and let other people know:
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/messages/latest-messages/
Dolan was last seen sitting next to the wolf in sheep’s clothing at the Al Smith dinner. You don’t court or compromise with evil and that’s what he’s doing in my opinion. He hasn’t stepped up criticism with the current regime and their healthcare mandate.
For the first time in my life I am totally embarrassed by the direction our country is taking on almost every front! And what is worse, aside from prayer and a lot of penance, traditional Catholics don’t stand a chance! The takers far out number the makers. And by takers, I do not mean the poor and indigent, but all those looking for a free ride without doing their fair share based on ability. Takers are those who get grants to do nothing; parties in posh resorts on the tax payers dime; nine million dollar vacations in Hawaii on the taxpayers dime; mothers who get government paid child care but do not work; those who get paid not to farm and don’t own a farm; those who collect unemployment when there are open jobs. What happened to the American pride in accomplishment. It has been replaced by how can I get free money from the nanny state! Unless GOD hears our prayers and takes pity on us, the Democratic Socialist party will win every year from here on out!
And those so called Catholics will have a lot to answer for in the next life. Our priests and bishops are not doing them any favors by not excommunicating them. And why would our priests and bishops put their own salvation at risk by not excommunicating them?!? It is a mystery that will be revealed to all of us at some point. For me, I intend to pray, especially for the clergy, vote, set a good example for my children, work just as hard as I have always worked, give more, and remain faithful to the Body of Christ (Catholic Church). If you want to meet a whole lot of people who want to change the direction of this country, go to the March for Life in DC next week! GOD bless you all!
william richter - Which church are you talking about? The conciliar, post Vatican II Church has abolished excommunications. There is no precedence for excommunications of this sort.
Evil is afoot upon our land. Its going to be bleak for a long time.
I REALLY hate to say this… It is time for the Catholic Church to say: “Screw it… We are shutting down all medical facilities in New York State.” They wouldn’t be selling them… Just shutting the doors. The Pope needs to exercise his power and excommunicate these people. This country is growing farther and farther apart…. You can only stretch something so much before it tears. I think we are just starting to see those tears now. I’ll go with Texas I guess.
I wonder whether Gov. Coumo justifies himself as a “good Catholic” by feeling that he simply acts in the “Spirit of Vatican II,” a feeling very popular among “good liberal Catholics.” I wonder whether this is the same justification used by the 50% of Catholics who voted for Barack Obama this past November. I wonder what our Lord thinks about the “Spirit of Vatican II”. I wonder when our bishops are going to crack down on some of these “good liberal Catholic” politicians!
Please do not do it, Mr. Cuomo! “We” all will suffer in some way, shape or form from such a decision to give credence to something intrinsically evil. Remember, Truth is Truth is noone believes it and a lie is a lie if everyone believes it.
Hey Dr. Michael P.Johnson,You said and I quote “....all done without the the public’s input or approval”. The public gave their approval when they
voted him as govenor. The public knew what he stood for. He’s A liberal
and we all know their moral stance on issues.Morality and God do not figure in any of their deliberations or decisions.Their hung up on giveaways,goodies and entitlements without counting the cost and all done
with the idea of gaining our votes in order to CONTROL US.Rember this-what
the devil failed to conquer us by communism, he’s know trying with liberalism and he’s suceeding beyond his wildest dreams all with the cooperation of the people and especially Catholics.Want proof-all seven states that make up the Northeast always vote democrat-liberal an most of the electorate are “Catholic”.
I have never been able to finish a debate with a liberal about abortion. They refuse to answer my questions and walk away, or change the subject…. The main question is simple:
If a fetus has it’s own independent heartbeat at around 10-11 weeks, begins voluntary movements such as grasping with their fingers or sucking their thumb around 14 weeks, and can respond to noises outside the womb at around 18 weeks, when exactly is the baby a human being?
When they inevitably tell me, “well, it’s when they are born”, I tell them about the baby recently born premature at 21 weeks, who not only survived, but is 100% healthy and completely developed. This baby was born before the third trimester even began. I then ask: If the baby is able to survive birth, is it then alive inside the mother, or does it magically gain life during the birthing process?
That is where my debate always ends for some reason.
Look up Garabandal/communism and what our Lady said what was coming to the world…those times are upon us.It is bad and will get worse.It has been coming in the church since Vatican Two…and in the U.S since President John F.Kennedy was killed….a general down hill slide.Sister Lucy of Fatima called it a “diabolical disorientation”..I believe.Akita talks of it too and what will happen if the world stays as it is.All one can do is the best they honestly can in all things…and pray.What our so called leaders in the church fail to grasp is by not acting they do indeed….act.They have much to answer for and by God they will answer for it..eventually.Those whose favor they court will turn on them and devour them whole. God is perfect..and His Justice is also.There is no escape.Both political parties are the same.None are good..let alone Godly.Society is bent…is it not surprising they are also.In all a recipe for disaster..one many have cooked up themselves..and we all are in the middle.God help us… and God help those who will answer to Him…in time.
This man needs to be ex-comunicated from the RC Catholic Church, he is an Old Italian Catholic, his parents and grandparents must be turning in their graves at the abomination this man is proposing..we must do all we can to stop this atrocity..no matter what happens on earth Coumo, you will stand before the Lord of Lords to be judged for your actions..woe to you and this scandal you are trying to cause…Shame on you, you need to be impeached!! I never voted for him so my hands do not have blood on them…+
Excommunicate them all,,Pelosi,Biden,Kerry,Sebelius,Coumo,and all the political heretics. If this is done we wuold have a flood of young people come back to the church.
Excommunicate!!! Pelosi,Kerry,Sebrious,and all of them.
Valerie, the post conciliarist church does not excommunicate. You’ve got things confused.
Valerie, these people are in the post conciliar Church. They have renounced their faith by their actions. They use the claimed Catholic platform for their dastardly deeds.
@Joe…Was not suggesting to remain silent ( “support your grass roots organizations"and vote in every election) but PRAY! “.. MORE things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of” is NOT an empty phrase.(Tennyson, MORTE D’ARTUR) All the saints believe that including our dear St Monica, mother of Augustine.
What I did suggest was it is futile to think we of the pews are going to
influence the Bishops to excommunicate the dissident Democratic pols, like Biden, Pelosi, Sibilious, Cuomo, etc. The Congressional body is made up 1/3rd Catholic; the Supreme Court majority is Catholic! Yet never in our history have more laws and decisions been made to denigrate and deny our religious rights! Catholics as a group helped to elect TWICE this meglomaniac in the White House. If ever the USCCB had reason to speak out AND act against the actions of Catholic politicians it is now, but all we hear are useless platitudes and ineffective scoldings from most.
If you see another way out of the current mess, fine! May God be with you but I see no way to either change things or delay God’s mighty wrath against this country’s evil ways except by storming Heaven with our prayers and acts of penance. You sound like the IRA with calls for combat!
Combat against whom? The Bishops? Forget it , they are *in the bag* with the Democrats. Why else would they not excommunicate these dissident pols?
Why else would Cardinal!Dolan not cancel the annual Al Smith dinner?
THEY ARE ALL DEMOCRATS JOE!! The USCCB does not listen to the Pope for heavens sake. You think they are going to listen to the laity? PRAY! PRAY!
PRAY! With the saints and martyrs who have gone before us. The power of prayer is greater than all the militancy of all the armies of the earth.
Rabid child-hater, Governor Cumo, wages WAR on God. If mothers don’t want their children, they can offer up their little gifts from God for adoption.
The new law will make New York City the late-term abortion capital of the world. The law will bring down God’s severe judgment on New York City. New York City will become “Babylon”, the city referred to in Revelation in the Bible, that suffers terrifying judgments from God.
Why are these people still in the Catholic church? Why have they NOT been Excommunicated? Cuomo, Pelosi, Kerry, Biden the entire lot is pro abortion and what does the Church do? It complains, but takes no action to rid itself of these fake Catholics.
To leave our prayers when we are called to do battle against errors is leaving Christ for Christ.
Many hide behind praying. Sincere praying leads to action.
Men need to combat men! “Christians are, moreover, made for combat….To recoil before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised against truth . . . is insulting to God, and both are incompatible with the salvation of mankind.” ‘SAPIENTIAE CHRISTIANAE’
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sapie.htm
I’m afraid Governor Cuomo is an all-too-typical American Catholic. Whatever faith and morals he has, he compartmentalizes it - separating it into “private” and “public” spheres. Unfortunately, some priests have enabled politicians to do such things because they did it themselves. Remember Father Drinan from Massachusetts? He served as a U.S. Representative and had a record for pro-abortion votes.
More DemoMarxist “doing it for the children” Satanism.
A *rant-box*here allows you to let the steam out but it is beating your head against the wall. Your Bishop does not take orders from the flock.They see you as the old pay, pray and obey crowd. Most Bishops are Democrats(no criticism from USCCB of their agenda until they got hit in the checkbook with HHS mandate)Most of the these dissident pols
also nominal Catholics so they are *protected* against repercusions.Turn your rants here into a authentic and active prayer life. It is our only real and effective act. Your Bishop is not likely the guy in the white hat and is deaf to your appeal. Save your zeal for the kneeler and the voting booth. We cannot vote out the Bishop but you can encourage
others to help us vote these political pukes out of office. From the highest to the lowest seats in office. Throw the bums out! Negate the freebies votes that never will deny office to their sugar daddies. The Bishops are totally impotant as civil politicians. The day of the Spellmans, etc are over. To think otherwise is like this rant-box here. Not going to change a thing. Pray! Pray! and support your grass roots
organization against the coming tyranny! Don’t waste your efforts trying to appeal to your Bishop. He choses not to hear you and sees you only at
the cash box. I am not being cynical but rather realistic. Whenever you
live under false assumptions about reality, you will live in fruitless anguish.
I no longer live in New York, but two of my siblings do, and I still own the family house there. I am so deeply ashamed of what is happening. I hear cries to “stand up,” but we need concrete examples to follow. A convert friend said he stopped going to mass. As a partial reason, he cited this year’s effort to pass out information about candidates before elections. His wife cited the “separation of Church and State” which is, of course, spin to cover up banishment of church from state. These enemies of Christ are not stupid—except that they seem to believe there is no account to pay after this life. Bishops—and I say this with love full assent to their office—help us know what to do.
Cardinals and Bishops must have principles to live and teach by - the principles of the Catholic Church.
When our leaders refuse to teach and discipline by public excommunication (ab homine) when necessary, their in-actions cause grave confusion and relativism.
Evil people get elected and re-elected when the Bishops merely give lip service to evil acts but take no action within our own Church, since it appears to be a wink and nod that the politician is not really so bad.
Plz read: 1 Cor 5:11-13.
The response is real simple to these laws that violate our consccience and our teachings: I will not comply.
My stance is one of absolute and provocative resistance. I will not comply.
Can we count on our Church leaders to do the same?
Mr.Damrau
QUOTE - - - CCC: ” 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow.
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.” - - - UNQUOTE
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights. The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess and carry firearms.
The right of all law abiding persons to self defense has nothing to do with the murder and torture of innocent babies.
The murder and torture of the innocent as promoted by the Obama Administration and Cuomo is evil.
Self defense is not evil.
Re:“But Cuomo has included the act as part of his 10-point “women’s equality” agenda, which includes a raise in the minimum wage, tougher anti-housing discrimination laws and measures against domestic violence and sex-trafficking.”
All this is moot, of course, when you have the child murdered en utero.
Cuomo and Obama, malevolent, murderous, misfits.
Listen, there are many laws that State and Federal government has created that are against Christian Catholic teaching. This new proposal is abhorrent to be sure but its up to church members (NOT the leadership and NOT the secular government) to set an example to people in general to reject their participation in these legal laws. We have to lead people away from destroying themselves and others in all forms. The problem with making laws to make your Catholic point is that there is always an exception, a loophole, or a blatant disregard of the spirit of the law. That is what Jesus came to tell us. The law cannot save us only Jesus can. The government will continue to make laws in contradiction to the Catholic principle. How will you respond?
Cheers, Martin
The Catholic Church needs to have some kind of dignity and excommunicate this evil piece of garbage as soon as possible. There is no forgiveness for him or rehabilitation. We need to hope the people of NY can extricate their heads from their anus in the future and vote for better candidates!
He has that “Adam Lanza” look in his eyes….............
Our Lady of Garabandal,Spain on June 16, 1965, “Many cardinals, many bishops and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them”.
Can more be said about those in authority, especially when it comes to apeasing politians?
This is one evil SOB. There will be a special place in hell for this man. One day I believe people will wake up to the slaughter of the unborn, and they will ask our generation HOW they could have let this killing occur.
The country of my youth no longer exists. The murder of our unborn in the name of “freedom” or “women’s health” is the greatest lie ever told. Prenancy and giving birth are inconvenient, especially to the sexually promiscuous, who consider their actions and subsequent consequences to be easily remedied through abortion.
Our nation and its leaders, such as Cuomo, are being judged and found guilty of serving Molech. Cry the beloved country.
This makes me sick!The church is uner attack. Calling this man a catholic is insane, he is catholic in name only. He couldn’t possibly attend mass and receive the Lord in good standing. How does he sleep at night?
We all understand the politics of appeasement that the bishops have adopted. “We no longer use excommunication as a tool of correction.” and “He has already excommunicated himself by his actions, but we will still give him Holy Communinion so as to err on the side of Charity.” Hmmm. I wonder if a bishop would explicitly excommunicate a public figure who endorsed the killing of bishops…
New York, be careful what you wish for. If you force all of your Catholic Hospitals and clinics to close, if you chase all of these obstetricians to leave New York to practice elsewhere who will provide your health care?
These hospitals and clinics serve more than you realize including those many unable to get care any where else (those for profit facilities that expect to be paid).
I have never met or heard of a man in possession of such murderous conscience, and a Catholic at that! No need to judge him, he is already been judged.
“The road to hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, with bishops as their signposts.” St. John Chrysostom (Homily III on Acts 1:12)
“The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.”
St. Athanasius, Council of Nicaea, AD 325
If this is so, how much more will be found of the skulls of laymen found there?
CUOMO IS A HYPOCRITE A DICTATOR AND A DISGRACE TO US ITALIANS GOD HELP US! HES NO GOOD !!!! HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE OR LETS SAY ABORTED TASTE OF HIS OWN MEDICINE
The pro-choice mentality is the same as that which underlies the gun violence which is such a curse. Someone states “It is my decision who lives or dies!” Independent Panel Advisory Boards or Columbine, abortion or Sandy Hook… they are all the same because someone makes a decision for the living if they will continue to live… or not. My advice is that guns should only be sold to pro-life people who believe life is precious and sacred. They would only use a gun for to protect and preserve life. Along with the loss of rights to free speech and association goes the right to bear arms. Sadly, the right to life (as in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) has been gone since ‘73.
Forcing Catholic hospitals to close down because they don’t kill babies is NOT Catholic—it’s Moloch worship.
he needs to be excommunicated by the catholic church.
What could be more both “radical” and “dangerous” than to lead our youth towards enslavements to passions rather than to teach them virtues that will combat vices? But that is exactly what is going on with sexualized catechetics taught in the U S bishops schools. Sex education has been condemned by Pontiffs, yet the “Growing In Love” curriculum with an imprimatur makes a mockery of these infallible Magisterial teachings. See what is taught in all parochial schools without exception:
http://www.motherswatch.net/content/view/12/6/ - Part 1
http://www.motherswatch.net/content/view/15/6/ - Part 2
Our Lord Jesus said, that a tree is known by its fruit the good man out of his treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil. On the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.America needs to rediscover the basic religious and Christian morals and values obeying the commandments that God has given us, to know, love and serve God. Through Gods grace, we can help to restore our national soul.
Simply put, the message to our Bishops from all of us within the Mystical Body Of Christ, the People Of God who are praying for resolution and put all our hope into God:
RISE UP!! SPEAK UP !!!!! PROCLAIM THE TRUTH AND BEAUTY WITHIN CHRIST’S CHURCH !!!!!
Remove this defiant, obsessed, rabid secularist from this Body——PLEASE LEAD US, DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THE TRUTH.
Pray for their courage, their decisiveness and their rapid ACTIONS!!!!
@Jim..SPEAK UP !!! THIS MAN IS NOT CATHOLIC!!! This isn’t about money, or govt. funding, or lack of teaching, or any or whiny cop-out “issue” from the BISHOPS. SPEAK UP BISHOPS—- ANDREW CUOMO IS NOT A CATHOLIC!
DITTO! My thoughts exactly!
The governor seems to be out of conrol. I think he sees himself as president in the future. He won handily in his promotion of same sex marriage in his conflict with Cardinal Dolan. The Cardinal chose easy negotiation with the governor and lost the battle. The Cardinal seems to lack the ability to fight successfully with enemies of the Church over enforcing Catholic teachings. If he follows the same formular on abortion he will lose even bigger. I believe he is a holy man who is not prudent in negotiating with government. Instead of excommunicating enemies of the Church he appears to be tolerating them. He rejects canon 914. I respect him fully but reserve the option to call his actions as inappropriate for the situation. I hope the Holy Father will step in and save us from a full capitulation of the Church to state and federal influence.
I agree with Alice S. I think this terrible excuse of a Catholic should be excommunicated. What a terrible, terrible man. God please have mercy on this power sick man. We need bishops who will stand up regardless of cost. This man is spiritually ill and full of the evil one.
Bishops should be willing to die for members of their flock. This is the reason for the red on their garments. As their flock is being destroyed by a person who claims to be a member, why would the Cardinal refuse to excommuniate the one who loudly proclaims his attention to futher destroy more of his flock. A shepard can love wolfs but his sheep must come first.
As far as I’m concerned a vocal, catholic, pro-life antagonist is the best example for people outside of the Church to use as a proponent for abortion. Catholic politicians like Cuomo and the others in congress are truly deplorable.
If Cuomo called himself a tree, would he be a tree? Why even refer to him as a Catholic?
REMINDS ME OF A GREAT QUOTE “america is in a state of rapid decline as it sinks in its own ocean of moral decay: ABORTION, DIVORCE, CONTRACEPTION, GAY RIGHTS, & PORNOGRAPHY…the titanic superpower suffers the fate of the titanic…”
I remember Mother Theresa’s words: “The downfall of America will be abortion.”
Dear Alice…..I agree 100 percent with you. I am tired of Pro-Choice Catholic Government Officials mocking the teachings of the church. These officials have got a chip on the shoulders that needs to be knocked off.
Cuomo like Obama is digging himself a very large hole with his maker.
Woe to those in power who abuse it
My home state of birth continues to be evermore stupid,bigoted and backward.
I use to think California could never be topped as the capitol of moral corruption.
May God give wisdom and strenth to the bishops to rightly discipline these not only ignorant, but arrogant government leaders. What a terrible scandal to the Faith. Our Lord’s Precious Body and Blood in the Eucharist should not be given until this abortion attrocity is repented of. Recieving Communion is not a right. It is a privelige. It is also a sacrilege to recive It in a state of Mortal Sin, which abortion or its support is indeed!
What an abomination - making killing unborn babies a FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT. How far we have degenerated. Cuomo should be excommunicated by the Church for his anti-Catholic and anti-moral public comments. Otherwise, the Church acts as if it condones such actions. And, while their at it, they should ban from Communion other so-called “Catholics” who desecrate the Catholic faith with their public pronouncements - like VP Biden and Senator Durbin (IL).
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON HIS SOUL…..
THIS IS TOTAL AGAINST THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH….THE GREATEST OFFENSE TO JESUS. APPARENTLY CUOMO DOES NOT KNOW HIS BIBLE…I SUGGEST TO READ WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT ABORTION AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE….OLD TEST.: DEUTERONOMY CHAP 30 VS19 “CHOOSE LIFE THAT YOU AND YOUR DESCENDANTS MAY LIVE”
THIS COUNTRY WILL RECEIVE A PUNISHMENT WORST THAN SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
LEVITICUS CHAP 18 VS 22: YOU SHALL NOT LIE WITH A MAM AS WITH A WOMAN; SUCH A THIS IN AN ABOMINATION.
WHAT IS IT THAT CUOMO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND?????? Is he doing it for his rating so that he will be re-elected? ABORTION IS MURDER…...
GOD BLESS
> I think Cardinal Dolan is in a no-win situation
Nonsense. He could win a crown.
t
Just another example of pushing the envelope, and Catholic clergy DOING NOTHING! If the Church really wants to clean house, then let’s start with telling these “catholics” that they are now officially banned from all sacraments. Publicly denounce your pro-abortion stances, and you can fully participate once again.
This is JUST the beginning of very dark days indeed!
The Bishops should look to our Underground Catholic Chinese brethren and the brethren who have died in the ME and Africa holding true to the Faith. This assault on Dogma cannot continue. The “Little Ones” of the Faith are terribly scandalized.
Unless and until the Bishops affirm life by affirming the Dogma of the Faith and addressing scandal, this assault on the Culture of Life will continue without pause.
Ignatius, Cardinal Kung Pen Mei pray for us!
One cannot be excommunicated for being a sinner! If that were so then there would be no Church, hierarchy or laity for we all fall short!
However, when a public or prominent Catholic, publically and continuously
dfies Church teaching(s)and there is little or ineffective action on the part of the church authorities, much scandal results and more souls are confused and lost. There seems to be need for public action taken by church authorities that is equally public,persuasive and consequential. Not as an eye for an eye (Old Testament)but as part of the teaching authority held by the good Shepherds of the Church. Either that or wait until Doomsday when it all shakes out. Do we have that much patiance?
@ Mary N…Pray your prayers, but this political animal named Andrew Cuomo knows exactly what he is doing and more to the point, why and how!!
He has knowingly sold his sold for a mess of pottage! His ambition started
with his marriage to Robert and Ethel Kennedy’s dtr and continues on track today, despite his divorce. He is fulfilling the dreams denied to his father, just like the meglomaniac in the current White House.
I think Cardinal Dolan is in a no-win situation. He will be criticized for what he does and doesn’t do.
I think the bigger issue is why the Catholic Church has become so weak in New York state. Perhaps the “glory days” weren’t as great as they seem to be. The hierarchy seemed more interested in temporal authority - rubbing shoulders with political bigwigs - than with spritual authority - witnessing to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Also, a lot of priests and nuns were unfit for the vocation - being sexual predators at worst - and the hierarchy enabled them. The legacy is a lot of Catholics whose faith is shallow at best. The opposition to the Church is both top down and bottom up.
How can Cardinal Dolan or any other bishop in New York begin the process of reclaiming moral authority?
, “.....he has already pushed through controversial same-sex “marriage” legislation and the most restrictive gun-control law in the nation.”
What does gun control have to do with this issue? Please don’t combine issues that are unrelated. Reminds me of pork barrel politics.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/andrew-cuomos-brave-new-roe/#ixzz2IGyejIOz
Archbishop Chaput and Cardinal Burke excommunicate Gov. Cuomo? I find myself doubthing that. Bishop Bruskewitz possibly. Fellay, definately.
I suppose the leaders of the Church probably think that the average Catholic is sophisticated enough to know that Cuomo is defying the Church. If that’s the case, I am afraid they are wrong. They are both enabling him in doing Satan’s work and endangering many Catholic souls by failing to take decisive and public action. They need to let every Catholic in America know, in no uncertain terms, that the Governor’s conduct is wicked and murderous; that he is not Catholic in good standing; that they, too separate themselves from God’s Church and risk eternal damnation if they support him and his agenda; and that we should all pray for him to have a conversion of heart so that he can be accepted back into the flock.
I will be the first to admit that I am a sinner in need of redemption but I at least TRY to conform my life to the teachings of the Church. I am not a public figure (politician, entertainer) or educator (leading the faithful into error) personally trying to enact grave moral evil or blatantly encouraging millions to engage in it. Innocent unborn children are being slaughtered and scandal is being wrought upon the Church because our bishops are afraid - yes, I said it - afraid - to publicly cast Cuomo, Pelosi, et al out of God’s house for their obstinate, unrepentant wickedness. Do they realize the Christian foundation of Western Civilization is being washed away in a tsumami of secularism and moral relativism? Do they understand the gravity of the moment? Now is not a time for platitudes and fluffy letters. Wake up!
At least Cardinal Dolan should tell Cuomo not to receive Holy Communion - you don’t have to be formally excummunicated for that. I’ve also read that he lives with a woman (not his wife) and yet receives Holy Communion. So glad I don’t live in New York. I don’t understand how the good sane people can stand it.
Governor Cuomo:
Your soul is hardened by satan and encrusted in blackness. Please turn to the Lord Jesus and ask His forgiveness.
To the lady who owns a religious items shop; you should tell those soft-headed people that are on a diet of soft words instead of the truth…Obama doesn’t take care of the poor; he created them first! Sounds good that h e is taking care of them when his antics caused the impoverishment in the first place. Social justice people in the church should realize by now the lion’s share of moneys collected goes to fund abortion. That will never justify a few wells being dug here and there. Those wells are dug with blood money.
andrew cuomo is more evil then his father, God have mercy on his soul!!
Cuomo has probably been promised some nice role when the Chinese come to “collect” their debt. (They own America, just a matter of time til they get here,) After all, that’s one of the few places where non-doctors routinely do abortions.
Some of the shepherds ARE the wolves; why do we not see that? They aren’t just enabling the wolves, they are the infiltrators, the wolves…
Cardinal Dolan may need to dust off the Excommunication Process against
Andrew Cuomo. The Cardinal will need this card on the bottom of all his
other cards he needs to play. Among the first cards are prayers from the
Cardinal and from all members of his church. Other cards include lobbying, conjolling, arm-twisting, campaigning, educating,...,etc.
We need to stay in communication with all our elected officials (fed,
state, local)...And encourage them to accept the fact (as the US Supreme
Court has taught us in Roe 1973) that pre-borns are human persons. Our
Officials need to penn that fact into law. And we all need to recognize
that all women have full rights and simultaineously the pre-born also
have full rights and both must be honored. We need to recognize that
in a women’s prenacy state that there is in fact two people/persons are
occupying the “same space at the some time”. This is in accordance with
nature’s laws.
Yes, Mr. Leith, public excommunication can be used for medicinal purposes in that occasionally and hopefully it may jar the sinner into repentance and reparation and bring him/her back into communion with the Church. However, history proves that this is not always the case.
I suggestion you read the statement of St. Paul - 1 Cor 5:11-13.
LaSallete! The world was warned. Every word of Our Lady has come to fruition! What comes next is the promised “great shake”. If one is so inclined, take a look at the regional USGS shake maps for the USA. Chastisement comes! Pray for mitigation.
Andrew Cuomo should be excommunicated and Cardinal Dolan is skirting his responsibilities, in my mind, by not doing so.
Too bad Philadephia Archbishop Chaput is not bishop of NY. He would have excummunicated Monkey-face Cuomo within 6 months after entering office. Unlike Dolan, who is more worried about politics than anything else. Cardinal Raymond Burke would have also sent the creepy Cuomo packing.
Lord have mercy on him, he knows not what he does.
Ms. Anne, you are begging the question. Most impressively, what with all that copy-and-pasted text, but excommunication remains a medicinal penalty, not an ejection. This isn’t about Donatism.
t
PS: The URLs that should have been in my post—
Report on Robert George’s talk in St. Louis:
http://credostlouis.org/2012/12/03/robert-george-the-time-of-the-comfortable-catholic-is-over/
What is Catholic Action?:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/99798/Catholic-Action
These ‘Catholic’ pro-aborts should be PUBLICLY EXCOMMUNICATED. if not, it is a sad day when shepherds continue to allow ravening wolves to remain in the flock just the belief that ANY of these ‘Catholic’ liberals have changed their radical, Culture of Death commitment is delusional, IMHO.
As long as Bishops do not FORMALLY / PUBLICALLY excommunicate (ab homine), then we can expect that many Catholics will not know the politician is obstinately evil.
Therefore these politicians will continue to get re-elected, and elected to higher office.
If there is no formal excommunication, it’s a wink and a nod from the Cardinal or Bishop that it’s OK to vote for these people. In other words - its ok to vote for him/her because he/she is not all that bad after all.
If a Catholic politician was all that bad, the Bishop would have excommunicated him/her.
Actions speak louder than words. - These are the true messages sent by our Bishops.
Can I copy this page to my email list Pro Life K of C Our Lady of Quadalupe
It appears that all Blue States are in competition to become Baby Murder ( Abortion ) Capitols of the World. The Marxist Democrat Party can’t kill enough babies. It’s sad that we are saddled with anemic Bishops who have no desire to stand up to the murderers in public. I guess we should be happy the Dolan wrote a letter.
This does not bode well for a cut in funding to Planned Parenthood, nor a Supreme Court victory on the religious freedom exclusion. Cuomo has truly revealed his agenda here: he will climb up to the White House over the corpses of murdered infants, dancing all the way to the music of the Pied Piper of playing house. He is quite literally mad with power. I can’t help but wonder what his parents really think of this. Cardinal Dolan knows how the game is played and he is tough enough to play it. I imagine he will not lay all his cards on the table this early in the game. As for Miller,it would be helpful if she were reminded that “participating fully in society” without benefit of abortion never seemed to be a problem for Queen Elizabeth, Indira Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meier, and many others. I imagine it depends on the kind of “participation” one is seeking. And just to be picky, “my body, my choice” does not recognize the DNA of the father of the infant, without which the child would not exist unless it were cloned in a petri dish. It seems as if Cuomo and his ilk will not be content until abortion clinics are as numerous as fast-food restaurants across the state. Was there ever a time when men and women cherished their children as much if not more than their so-called “rights”? Are shame and sin still in the dictionary? They have disappeared from our vocabulary.
I lost all faith in Cardinal Dolan when he invited President Obama to the Al Smith Dinner and offered a prayer at the Democratic National Convention.
He and other bishops, by their ambiguity, gave Catholics the idea that it would be morally permisable to vote for Obama.
I am sorry to say that I now have to believe that Catholics are divided into two groups. Pro-life Catholics and Social Justice Catholics. I own a Religious shop and so many of my customers thought it would be just fine to vote democratic because Obama was going to take care of the poor.
It is not the Governments duty to take care of the poor. It is our duty and obligation to help those less fortunate.
Andrew Como plans to run for President in 2016. I wonder if any of our freedoms, especially our freedom of religious will be left by than.
I pray God we can do penace, repent and make reparation for our Bishops and bring Gods grace on America once more.
Mr. Leith, you are correct that once Baptized, always Baptized.
But the Church does allow for public excommunication - which cuts those excommunicated off from the Church and the Faithful.
Excommunication or proclaiming someone “anathema” is the Church’s legal means by which a person is excluded from unity with the Church. Jesus gave the Apostles the authority to excommunicate members of the Church who, for whatever reason, rebel against legitimate authority, deny any dogma(s) of the faith or who give scandal by immoral conduct (Matt 16:18; 18:18 and John 20:23) .
One can be excommunicated automatically or formally.
St. Paul was the first Apostle to use excommunication in order to correct an errant member of the Corinthian Catholic community who gave scandal (1 Corinthians 5:1-13). This same man was re-communicated to the Church after he repented of his sin.
There are TWO types of excommunication FORMAL (AB HOMINE), imposed publicly upon a person by legitimate authority;
and INFORMAL (A JURE), imposed by the laws of the Church automatically once the law has been violated.
It is important to note that the only cases where formal excommunication has been used in recent history are by those Bishops who have had the courage to stand up and do something to stop the confusion in the Church at least within their own diocese.
Excommunication ferendæ sententiæ can be PUBLIC ONLY, as it must be the object of a declaratory sentence pronounced by a judge (Bishop);
but excommunication latæ sententiæ may be either public or occult.
It is public through the publicity of the law when it is imposed and published by ecclesiastical authority; it is public through notoriety of fact when the offence that has incurred it is known to the majority in the locality.
On the contrary, excommunication is occult(private) when the offence entailing it is known to no one or almost no one.
Sad : ( - if he wants to help women… educate them, instead of killing their children! Since when did having an abortion make a woman able to “participate fully in society.”???? So every mother is not a full particpate in society unless she first had the right to kill her unborn child!? WTH is he saying!
The Newton atrocity that sparked the NYS gun control law is mocked by this proposal, and the number of lives potentially saved by it will be dwarfed by the number of lives this law helps to extinguish. May the governor watch the following powerful prolife video through its ending and be moved by its powerful message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu4TUlGi1_s
” For where your treasure is, there also will be your heart”.Matthew 6:21
It is obvious to most where the “heart” of Andrew Cuomo lies…sadly it is
not in the teachings of the Catholic Church. He has swapped his soul for a “mess of pottage”! Pray for him and pray for our Church hierarchy that they will speak out strongly,loudly and consistently for Christ and make clear those who have sided with the antiChrists are not worthy to claim their place within His Mystical Body. How they do that is up to them but they MUST make that clear to all those who are scandalized by those who would make themselves Catholic when in fact they are anything but. The Catholic in name only label must be called out before that confusion will be reigned in. Pray for the Holy Spirit to shine in their hearts and give them the gift of courage to speak out unanimously for the benefit of the souls of all. A return to humility and obedience is the narrow path being spurned by all who in their hubris are redefining the faith for their own
personal agenda.
It is time that Bishops and Cardinals stop using such benign, gentle language in their responses to heretical Catholic politicians who consistently defile the Catholic faith with their political actions and agendas. Blame for a dwindling presence in church and few practicing Catholics is owned solely by Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests for not defending the faith and for allowing high profile Catholics to continue to call themselves Catholics and receive the Sacraments, while rejecting Catholic doctrine. Instead, these heretics should be labelled such and excommunicated, PUBLICLY, until they are ready to remain true to Catholic doctrine and stop making political excuses for their anti-Catholic positions and heresies. Cardinal Dolan’s letter to Governor Cuomo is timid and will prove ineffective. I am sure Governor Cuomo feels little threat of losing his Catholic identity and has dismissed Cardinal Dolan’s letter as though he was forfeiting the free small order of french fries he could receive for ordering two or more Happy Meals at any participating McDonald’s. If Catholic officials continue to respond so weakly to the anti-Catholic actions of their own laity, the Catholic Church will surely disappear.
Someone needs to show Cuomo the correlation between “domestic violence and sex-trafficking” and abortion. What a sad situation for New Yorkers. Where has the church failed? Why do we have such aggressively pro-choice Catholics?
Posted by silverlady on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 11:34 AM (EDT):
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Paraphrasing Scripture out of context is akin to playing the race card. It’s a convenient crutch when your position sits on a weak foundation. I suggest you reflect on the following, which you most likely have never read.
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.” 2 Thessalonians 3:6
Andrew Cuomo is a Catholic. So are many of the people on his staff working on this. So are some of the legislators favoring it.
If Dolan and the bishops of New York are serious about this, it’s time to prepare excommunications.
I, too, am outraged like all of you. Where are the “manly” men? We need more Bishops like Nicholas, who were willing to “clean the clocks” of the heretics rather than appease them.
BUT ........ remember, God will not be mocked, and He is still in charge. Ultimately, He will take care of us. Pray, fast and give alms and leave it in His hands. He will take care of us, even if His Bishops won’t.
We have ourselves to thank for this abomination. Many “catholics” vote people like Cuomo and Obama into office. They think they’re doing something good and helping the “little guy”. Well, they’re not helping the littlest guy of all, the one in the womb. Even with all the news in our local church bulletin about the HHS mandate, there were still a few Obama 2012 bumper stickers in the church parking lot. I ask my self, “How ignorant are these people? They’re voting for a guy who is sticking it to the Catholic Church!”
I heard the Cardinal Archbishop of Guadalajara, Mexico, (where I live) mention forcefully from the pulpit during Mass last year that he would excommunicate any Catholic in his diocese for supporting abortion in any way whatsoever - including legislators - and we have no doubt that he’d do that. It seems some “men” wearing the “red” forget to put their pants on each day in the States! God help them to live up to their calling.
Andrew Cuomo may have been baptized Catholic, but his actions have proven he has not remained a Catholic in heart or theology. One who REJECTS all of the teachings of the Catholic Church yet calls himself a “Catholic” is insane! He has already excommunicated himself.
This makes me sick to my stomach. So much evil, so protected.
I think he has lost his mind. If there are any Catholics close to the man, I suggest that you lead him to the nearest faithful priest because he is in danger of losing his soul. Never did I believe that I would see the day when such wickedness would be promoted!
“If you, Lord mark our sins, Lord, who can stand? But with you is forgiveness and so you are revered.” Psalm 130.3-4
If there was ever a time for Jesus to make His second appearance it’s now.
How in the world can Cuomo ever call himself a Christian Catholic, and support the death of innocents. He is no better then Herod who ordered the death of those babies hoping to kill the Christ Child. Or the king of Egypt in the old testiment who ordered the death of innocents to rid himself of Moses.
He is the devil’s advocate. God help him.
Any father who would take his impressionable teen-aged daughters to a
Gay Pride parade in New York City has lost his moral conscience…to say nothing of his Catholic faith. Cuomo, like his dad, Andrew, is a political animal! With the emphasis on *animal*. Glad he is not my children’s father! He is working 24/7 on the here and now, namely, the
race to the White House which was denied to his dad. Another Obama, fulfilling the dreams of the father.
It is not surprising that God is sending the blessed mother to places all over the world, to ask for prayer for ALL humanity to convert and turn back to God. These priests, bishops and cardinals need to ask people to convert and turn back to God themselves and then pray for deprived souls like Andrew Cuomo. Only God can save this sick world.
The reason the Register calls Mr. Cuomo a Catholic is because he we baptized and educated as a Catholic—heretics and excommunicated Catholics are still Catholics—we don’t kick people out of the Church.
Robert George gave a talk this past November in St. Louis having the theme “The Time of Comfortable Catholicism is Over” <a >Click Here</a> for a short report. The talk was recorded by St. Joseph Radio, and the story tells you how you can order a copy. Professor George predicted every bit of this, including the bit about professional organizations like ACOG.
Before I was born, there was a thing, evidently pretty big, called <a >Catholic Action</a>. It is time to revive the idea: every ecclesiastical province should have several “formal” Catholic Action groups, and apparently should start with the medical professions. But it shouldn’t end there.
Governor Cuomo, is otherwise known as the Abortion Governor of the state w/ the highest abortion rate at 38% of pregnancies. Cuomo in his 2yrs as Gov. has presided over the violent killing of more than 300,000 babies or 600 every regular work day. He says NYS can&must; do better by passing the RHA. Yes, NYS is the abortion capital of the nation and our Abortion Gov. is determined to keep it so. Gov. Cuomo the Abortion Gov. is clearly following in the extreme pro-abortion footsteps of President Obama our Abortion President.. They are truly waging a tyrannical war on the right to life of the unborn. The people of NYS need speak out and act to defeat the RHA.
He should be ex-communicated, but I’m not going to hold my breath. Just disgusting.
Dolan needs to explicitly and clearly state EVERY Catholic hospital and charity will be shuttered within 24 hours after this bill passes—and be prepared to DO IT. The time for the gentle “pastoral” approach is over, it isn’t working in case that hasn’t become clear. Stand firm and explain to the politicians you will raze every building to the ground and sow the site with salt before you allow the least sin to be committed within it. Trust me, they can’t run the health care system without the heavy lifting the Catholic church provides in terms of providing for the poor. Explain very clearly all that will go away if the NY legislature passes this abomination, and the politicians will back down.
Well, this man can do all he wants to affirm his death stance. The Lord God has the power and the timing to bring us all to our knees. 40 is the number of completion and judgment for good or for evil. So this 40th year God is going to allow the weather to punish this country for allowing the murder of innocent children.
People will scream “global warming” while the temperatures plunge and snow falls everywhere. Then they will yell “global cooling” until the heat rises and the crops dry up and blow away. Then when they cry “global climate change” the earthquakes will begin…
And none of this will stop until we all repent and decide to stop murdering kids. Many of you might laugh when you read this. But remember what you read and when Billy Graham spends his next birthday calling this sinful country to repentance in November of 2013, urge everyone to listen to the message of salvation and STOP OFFENDING GOD WHO IS ALREADY TOO MUCH OFFENDED.
Agree with all again.
Contact your Diocese—- ask the Bishop’s office why is this being tolerated? Ask your priest, tell him you are writing letters to the Diocese, and the Vatican. Tweet this to Pope Benedict. There are many,many ways to amplify our discord with this non-acton. We have seen this complacency before with our Bishops.
But we can all speak up and communicate our expectation. It is OUR CHURCH and we are blessed to have this POPE as our “rock”. And we MUST speak up—- we must speak up. For we will be judged as well—Our Lord “where we you when these horrors occurred?”—We all know “whatsoever you do…..you did it to me”.
We can not tolerate this any further——I am with Mike—Cuomo must be “sanctioned”, clearly, publically, and as nationally as we can make it. As well it strikes me he should be excommunicated—- either way he should not be allowed to confuse and defy our Faith——in many ways I pray that this action may be enough for Andrew Cuomo to come to his senses and look to save his own soul too—- we should reach out to many of our brothers and sisters in other faiths as well that share these feelings!
But every minute that we do not take this step——a whole group of new life is eradicated—-unfairly, unjustly, and in direct defiance to God.
Governor Cuomo, otherwise known as the Abortion Governor of the state with the highest abortion rate at 38% of pregnancies, double the nat’l avg., far in excess of No. 2 Calif. at 28%. Cuomo in his 2yrs as Gov. has presided over the violent killing of more than 300,000 babies, 600 every regular work day or 1 killed every 48 seconds. The Abortion Gov. says w/ the RHA NYS can do better. He says NYS must do better because, “It is her own body”. The Gov. is denying reams of scientific proof that from conception onward pregnancy involves 2 or more bodies.
Gov. Cuomo is clearly following in the extreme pro-abortion footsteps of President Obama, our Abortion President. They are truly waging a tyrannical war on the right to life of the unborn.
Thomas Jefferson says, “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” The people of NYS need to speak out and act to defeat the RHA.
This man is NOT A CATHOLIC. When will the media quit calling this anti-God leftist a “Catholic”. No one that believes in baby murder on demand, sodomite “marriage” and taking your guns away is a Catholic. The man even shacks up with his girlfriend. Cardinal Dolan should show some courage and publically excommunicate this character from the Catholic Church. He is causing great harm and scandal to the church by openly mocking our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As long as blowhard politicians are allowed to get by with sticking their middle finger up to the Church, there will be less and less converts to the faith. Bishops need to lead. They are the ones that are supposed to be taking care of their flock. Time for Dolan to show the door to this creepy Cuomo who keeps calling himself a Catholic. He’s no more of a Catholic than Saddam Hussein was.
Actually, according to canon lawyer Ed Peters. Cuomo was asked to refrain from communion, and he is complying. See: https://stjosephcanonlaw.com/article/participation-in-holy-communion-by-unworthy-catholics
And this man received Holy Communion?
God have mercy on the soul of this governer for his dispictable laws without even the say of the public who voted him into office He is another
New York will be punished again for this law against the most vulnerable, our unborn children in the “SAFETY” of them mothers womb. When I march for life in Washington next week, I will pray for him to have a change of heart and soul
First, Cuomo may have been baptized Catholic, may have even received sacraments when he was younger; but I cannot believe he’s now allowed to receive Communion at this point with his very visible and outward support of abortion, not to mention the gay marriage thing too. Wasn’t some other politicians who supported abortion openly denied Communion too? Such as Pelosi and at one time, supposedly Biden, but I’m not certain about him. If not, time these folks be denied. That is what I hope our Church leaders have conveyed to the likes of Cuomo. If I’m not mistaken, believe back in the ‘80s, early ‘90s, the Walters, the gov of Oklahoma, ran smack into the same problem..he was in our parish at that time and was denied, if I’m not mistaken, Communion as a result of his support.
My heart hurts and aches for all the babies who will suffer an unjust execution thanks to this man, who is the poster boy for how NOT to be a Catholic. They are on death row through no fault of their own.
It is really sad and heart breaking to read all of these comments. I must agree with them all. then we wonder why people are not respecting the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and the Priest. Not all the a percentage of them are do upholding what our Lord Jesus commanded of us. they need to stand up to the devils that are destroying this country and through the world, even if it means there death. We are not standing up to these people as true Christians, as followers of our Lord Jesus Christ. The people of this world, comdemm the Mother for the sins of the children. How long will it be before God will send his son Jesus Christ, back to this world to judge us for our sins. Dear Lord Jesus, have mercy on us poor sinners.
Agree with all of the comments and I am not name calling. I am demanding (yes, we can do toour Bishops) that an IMMEDIATE AND CLEAR ACTION be taken against Andrew Cuomo. Because what he is doing, enabling, and advancing is in absolute defiance and to the detriment of the Faith.
It matters not whether the Church will get smaller, it matters not whether hospitals and schools will close, it even matters not whether the Bishops get rounded up and thrown in prison. What matters is the TRUTH, namely, that Jesus Christ is LORD, that declared his Kingdom and CHURCH on this earth, that he bestowed the keys to this KINGDOM to Peter and the subsequent Apostolic succession on earth. That this Church has painstakingly safeguarded the “deposit of Faith”, and has unpacked its meaning for 2000 years. You are either in Communion with this teaching and our Lord or you are not. For the TRUTH to renew, to become restored, to unite all of us, the TRUTH must be asserted.
This not name calling, this is demanding the BISHOPS to assert this TRUTH—not host fundraisers, not build committees, not “negotiate”, this is asking (and praying) for the Bishops to rise up, look to their Lord, and ask for the courage and the strength of the HOLY SPIRIT and CLEARLY annunciate and announce that ANDREW CUOMO IS NOT CATHOLIC> Not in any way shape or form.
Pope Benedict should not tolerate this action (or better still—this inaction) for one minute.
Jesus said that what we do to others we do to Him. We can just hear Jesus saying to Gov. Cuomo on abortion:
ET TU, ANDREW?!!!
Jim D. Dooher
K. Theresa Dooher
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He must be the same kind of “Catholic” that Sebilius, Pelosi, and Biden (to name a few in our so-called “government”. The kind that will regret all they did during this lifetime when they face our Lord….We need to pray for their souls as they are not Catholic at all. I don’t know what they are, but I don’t think any REAL Christian of any denomination can approve of these evils.
Cuomo is the product of Catholic education. He went to Saint Gerard’s School, Archbishop Molloy High School and Fordham University which describes itself as “The Jesuit University of New York”. What more can you say?? So much for supporting “Catholic education”.
Shutting down hospitals and all catholic charities entities is an abomination. The fault goes even to the top! Italy is now going to tax the vatican for all it’s non-religious entities - commercial bldgs., homes, etc. The money you give in your envelope, goes-some to your parish, some to the diocese and some to Rome. And instead of using the money to fund schools, parishes and charities, they buy non religious properties to bring in more money??!!!!
My advice to all in the pew - keep your money at home. Don’t give in your envelope. Our parish is not giving much to the Bishop’s appeal and we have more people to inform!! Why should we after the scandal of giving 7ML to ACORN. Give to where you know it’s going to be spent!
There is a saying “money is the root of all evil”. I believe it. Cuomo is pleasing his constituents to keep his cushy job. AND you probably won’t see him in heaven!!
The letter to the Governor from the Cardinal is rather fluffy. The tone does not seem to match the level of the crime against humanity. I think a little more grit is required, to say the least.
Venom and name calling against the princes of the Church is no more christian and Catholic than his sins. Let us pray for our brother who has lost his way and pray for those who abuse the Church. God knows what He is doing through the present hierarchy. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
The thing is it no longer matters what the bishops say or do. They could excommunicate Cuomo but nobody who’s not already a devout Catholic will care. A forceful rebuke by Dolan would underline the Church’s irrelevency in this secular age. The time for the bishops to have done something is long gone. The time to do something was when Andrew’s “personally opposed” father Mario was yapping his gums at Notre Dame. Sorry bishops this is what you have wrought.
The best way to deal with this is to organize a campaign of mass prayer and fasting to remove this baby killing monster from power. God will follow through.
Picketing and complaining is worthless. These satanic psychopaths laugh in your face.
The Governor is NOT a Catholic. Not in any way shape or form. I don’t care about his parents, I don’t care about his schools, I don’t even care what Sacraments he has received. The truth of this is that this Governor is a HERETIC.
You don’t get the right to self-identify as a Catholic and then proceed to trample on all of its beliefs. You don’t declare yourself a Catholic and then proceed to demonstrate that not only do you spurn all of its core doctrines and traditions but even worse , through your power you condone and enable policies that defies its most sacred beliefs.
IF HE IS A CATHOLIC, what Parish is he registered in? What Diocese does he belong to, and WHO IS HIS BISHOP? WHERE IS HIS BISHOP? The sheep is not only lost but has become a wolf! ANDREW CUOMO MUST BE EXCOMMUNICATED! HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO IDENTIFY AS A CATHOLIC!
SPEAK UP !!! THIS MAN IS NOT CATHOLIC!!! This isn’t about money, or govt. funding, or lack of teaching, or any or whiny cop-out “issue” from the BISHOPS. SPEAK UP BISHOPS—- ANDREW CUOMO IS NOT A CATHOLIC!
Cuomo’s proposals, like Roe v. Wade itself, are built on nothing but ancient ignorance. The intellectual elite are class A hypocrites if they don’t vociferously oppose such preposterous laws.
Just wondering if our bishops and priest will have the courage to deny Holy Communion to this Catholic in name only? If they do not, it scandalizes all Catholics everywhere.
Although NY Cardinal Dolan is not willing to do his job by excommunicating ab homine (publically), several posters are correct.
In all Catholic publications and all of our postings, Gov. Cuomo, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Carolyn Kennedy, and others like them should be truthfully called: “Catholic HERETICS” and “Catholic SCHISMATICS” only.
They should not be called “Catholics”, because then we assist the Cardinal in causing confusion and their sacrilege of receiving Holy Communion while in the state of Mortal Sin.
QUOTE - - - CCC: ” 2089
INCREDULITY is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.
HERESY is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same.
APOSTACY is the total repudiation of the Christian faith.
SCHISM is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. ” - - - UNQUOTE
Get used to this.
If Roe Vs. Wade is ever overturned there will be states like NY where you will be able to murder your child up to and perhaps during birth. There will be others where you will not be able to perform an abortion for nearly any reason what so ever. If RvW is not overturned we will see our culture go the way of the Romans with ever more overt immorality becoming the norm.
Granted, the Bishops of NY should be doing more. But, how about the Catholic voters in NY? Why have you been sleeping? Enforcing canon law will not remove Cuomo from office- only the voters can do that.
Governor Cuomomo is a Catholic in name only. People need to stop giving him the title “Catholic.” He is allowed to continue in this manner, since there is no hierarchy in the church willing to stop him.
The NY state’s gov. Cuomo can’t be catholic pushing the agenda he has set forth. We do not have the ‘right’ to take any life from conception to natural death. Only God has that right!! God have mercy on Gov. Cuomo who is severely misguided, God have mercy on the state of NY, God have mercy on our country. We are worse than Sodom and Gomorrah!!
What can you expect from a Catholic Governor who publicly lives in sin with his girl friend? His own parents, Mario and Matilda, should be ashamed of and embarrassed for him.
We reap what is sown. The Church gave complicit Democrats like Dolan and so the result will be more late term abortions. Does anyone still wonder why Bishops as a group are no longer respected?
I sing this song to the abortion advocate Cuomo family”
“ALL WE ARE SAYING IS…...LET THE CHILD LIVE”
I wave my hands and clap while singing
This is the most serious of times we are living and as Catholics we must stand up against the evil of our society any time and everywhere we can! Our souls are hanging in the balance and we will be accountable before God! Jesus said clearly that if you love me you will keep my commands! Thou Shall Not Kill! We can all make excuses that abortion is not murder but if it is not then what is it? We must stand up and expose evil for what it is. My parents had nine children to be born and four miscarriages. The last baby died shortly after child birth and was baptized before leaving this world. I know we have 5 saints in heaven! What right do we have to say who is to be born and who will be murdered at the hands of a doctor? We will be held accountable to Jesus for this crime if we go along with abortion! Pope John Paul stated clearly that a society will not stand who kills its own! Well look at our country! Should we be surprised? Pray Pray Pray and love each other by telling the truth and exposing evil for what it truly is! I have a brother who once asked my mother about why she had so many kids? She said if she stopped having them He would not be here! She named Him Jude because he almost died of meningitis and Saint Jude worked a miracle and he lived. Each baby is so precious that we should be passing laws to protect them instead of passing laws to kill them! May God have mercy on our nation!!!!!
Little Baby Jesus stood upon His Mother’s Lap at Medjurgorje around His birthday time and announced to the world to “live His Commandments”...doesn’t that include “Thou Shalt NOT kill”? Cuomo and all who side with him will taste God’s Judgement sooner or later. But taste it they will! Didn’t Jesus, when He walked upon this earth say, “Suffer the little children to come unto Me! And Woe to anyone who hurts these, for it would be better for them if a millstone were hung around their necks and they were thrown into the sea!” People…that says it all—stop playing “God” for ONLY He gives Life and ONLY He can take it away!
Will the NCR stop calling these pro-abortion, heretic politicians like Cuomo Catholic? They are not Catholic. They are Catholic in Name Only who need to be excommunicated. They are heretics who seek to try destroy human life and morals as taught by the church. They are part of Satan’s Smoke that Pope Leo had a vision of. When are the bishops in this country going to stand up for the Truth forcefully? I am becoming more and more disappointed in Cardinal Dolan. Inviting this heretic to the Al Smith Dinner along with his murderous boss Obama was disgraceful. Now he offers this weak response to this Cuomo abortion proposal yet Cardinal Dolan praises what he has accomplished in his first two years as governor? There is nothing to praise this man for. He needs to be called out publicly to recant his position or face excommunication.
When is the Cardinal going to publically excommunicate Gov. Cuomo ab homine?
When is the Cardinal (and other NY Bishops) going to enforce Canon 915?
The lack of appropriately handling the mortal sin of public SCANDAL in the USA is part of the cause of continuing sin and promotion of relatisim in the USA. This also makes evangelism all the more difficult, not to mention the critical issue of the loss of Souls.
Actions speak louder than words my dear Cardinals and Bishops. Please do your job.
1 Cor 5:11-13
This guy is totally out of control - can he be removedfrom office by a recall? There must be some measure in NYS that allows citizens to remove individuals like Cuomo who are loose cannons.
How long do we have to wait for Cardinal Dolan to excommunicate this secularized homicidal maniac from the Church?
Gay Marriage and now aggressive Abortion activism: all done without the public’s input or approval. Does the word “excommunication” ring any bells anymore?
New York kills more black children in a year than the KKK ever did. Abortion has always been about the rich paying corrupt doctors to murder the children of the poor, then they have parties, drink, and laugh.
If we “cannot participate fully in society” without killing our own children, some of us would easily prefer not to participate in society!
Canon 915, cardinal? Perhaps writing another letter might help? Invite him over for another dinner when the president is in attendance? When is enough, enough? If you can’t do the job, step aside. Maybe there is a bishop out there who can do the job. But wait, aren’t most post-VII priests - never mind, keep causing scandal-the laity are used to it.
The article states that the Governor is Catholic. I wonder when is the last time he read his bible or catechism. The teaching of the Church is very simple and has not changed in 2000 years. If one is homosexual or gay one must abstain from same having sex with some one of the same gender. As for abortion, it is murder. I hope and pray the the Holy Spirit will come and change the Governor’s position but I don’t think the Governor is open to that. God help the State of new York and the country.
In regard to the the Cardinals letter to Gov. Cuomo:
“Do you know why the Church persevered, grew exponentially, and eventually conquered the Roman empire in the first four centuries? It is because the bishops of the day, by the grace of God, were MEN; not simpering, politicking, heretical, faithless, effete little pantywaist perfumed princes as we are cursed with today. These bishops today are themselves God’s punishment and chastisement upon all of us. They need to be told that. All day, every day. EXCELLENCIES, YOU ARE A PUNISHMENT AND SCOURGE UPON THE BODY OF CHRIST.”
I followed the link to the good Cardinal’s letter, and his, um, forceful denouncement of Gov. Cuomo’s actions/intentions regarding abortion.
I find myself wondering what Pope Peter (or even St. Paul) would have thought (or is indeed even thinking) about the Cardinal’s letter.
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