It just bugs and discourages me that people like Bloomberg, who has far more money than I and most of my friends will ever see, are throwing their support AND money behind Planned Parenthood.  He’s promised to MATCH dollars given to PP right now.  Ugh.

Where’s the like button when I need it?  I agree with every word of this piece.

Let me guess, because NAMBLA (aka the Catholic Church) already had enough funds?

I plan to donate as well. It’s incredible how upset the PP supporters are - it seems they truly believe that PP is the only place on the planet where a poor woman can get mammogram referral.

I dunno, this is just firing up the left. I think PP will make more money off this in the end than they lost from Komen, ten times over.

I can’t believe the outrage over this, how big and how loud. It’s kind of scaring me to be honest. It feels like a mob.

Dear Ann, if you want to see a mob, go to a random abortion clinic and observe the appalling behavior of your fellow pro-lifers - screaming and shouting obscenities at terrified teenagers, accosting individuals for no reason, threatening staff and clients, and occasionally bombing and/or committing acts of vandalism.

Dear JoAnna, don’t listen to PP supporters, listen to what the Khomeini foundation said less than one year ago:

“And while Komen Affiliates provide funds to pay for screening, education and treatment programs in dozens of communities, in some areas, the only place that poor, uninsured or under-insured women can receive these services are through programs run by Planned Parenthood.

These facilities serve rural women, poor women, Native American women, women of color, and the un- and under-insured. As part of our financial arrangements, we monitor our grantees twice a year to be sure they are spending the money in line with our agreements, and we are assured that Planned Parenthood uses these funds only for breast health education, screening and treatment programs.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20110426022542/http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content/AboutUs/MediaCenter-2/planned_parenthood_winer_2010.pdf

You know, PP wouldn’t be necessary if all women of limited means had access to real healthcare.  As a young adult, the only place I could go where I could afford a pap smear was PP.  I wish the pro-life movement would realize this and become activists for universal coverage.  They could make PP quietly disappear.

Congratulations.  You just funded lobbying efforts to enforce the HHS contraception mandate.  Smart move, toots.  You go, girl.

Maybe your husband should confiscate your checkbook.

I love this Ryan Ellis guy. Confiscate your wife’s checkbook? ROFL. Thank you for showing people how disgusting Catholic/Christian extremists are.

I bet you are envious of how the Taliban treats women.

When the inevitable YAY PLANNED PARENTHOOD I STAND WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD FOR WOMEN’S HEALTH I AM ON THE RIGHTEOUS SIDE posts started flooding my Facebook news feed, I started gently commenting with a link to the CDC’s Breast and Cervical Cancer Early Detection Program, which funds screenings for low-income women through Medicaid.  I’m sure they would be happy to take donations.  I also gently point out that contrary to popular belief, Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms.

Maybe some of my friends and some of their friends are open-minded enough to consider information differing from what they “know” to be true.

It was found last year that PP does very few mammograms.  They offer standard breast exams of the kind you get at any Gyn checkup, and give referrals to other providers. 
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/planned-parenthood-president-falsely-claimed-their-clinics-provide-mammograms_556015.html

Not even PP claims they offer mammograms at all their clinics anymore.  If you go to your website you can READ about mammograms but you can NOT get a list of which PP centers provide them.  You would have to call each one individually and find out.

According to Komen in this story from this morning, that fact is a major part of the reason they are withdrawing donations for now.  The other part is due to the fact that PP is being investigated for breaking the law and Komen has a corporate policy against giving funds to an organization in that circumstance.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-komen-backlash-20120203,0,693195.story

And if anyone has any doubt about the death grip that Planned Parenthood has on the “liberal” psyche then look at the backlash happening right now against Komen and the screams of politics, etc.  Not that I would care if they decided to disassociate themselves entirely from the abortion racket (Does abortion increase breast cancer risk or not?  It’s still not conclusive) but sheesh.  Komen seems to have legitimate corporate reasons for doing it, yet they are going to get stabbed in the heart anyway for turning their gaze away from that gleaming, stinking sacred cow.

People, don’t forget to NOT feed the trolls!

Yes, Simcha! 
Now, if SGK is truly interested in reducing breast cancer rates, than they will see the ABC link. Keep praying!
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/The_Link.htm

Dear kk(k), keep spreading misinformation, it will show you to be the lunatic you are. Thanks.

Additionally, I’m donating because I’m hopeful my money will now go to ACTUAL MAMMOGRAMS:

“Brinker said there was broad consensus from Komen’s board over the new policies. Additionally, she said the charity was trying to refocus grants on providers that are able to perform mammography services rather than just breast screenings. Planned Parenthood does not have mammography equipment and refers women to providers for the service.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72390.html#ixzz1lHFX6QcS

Dear JoAnna, if you are hoping for a cure, you are better off donating to other organizations, as only 20% of its proceeds go to finding a cure. On the other hand, its founder and head pays herself 450,000 dollars a year.

I haven’t thought about things in this light, but there is something to it. Where one’s money goes when donating to charity is a complex issue. But as you say, it might be worth it in this instance to use your dollar as a vote, in a sense, and let the organization know they are more likely to get support from pro-lifers if they pare down their ties with the abortion industry. A side note: if anyone wants to help those with breast cancer you can see if your local hospital has grant programs for its cancer patients—such a grant helped my mother out tremendously when she underwent treatment.

Khomeini Foundation on Friday, Feb 3, 2012 7:29 AM (EST):

“Let me guess, because NAMBLA (aka the Catholic Church) already had enough funds?”

Shame on you. 

Secondly, regarding “if you want to see a mob, go to a random abortion clinic and observe the appalling behavior of your fellow pro-lifers - screaming and shouting obscenities at terrified teenagers, accosting individuals for no reason, threatening staff and clients, and occasionally bombing and/or committing acts of vandalism.”

I have been involved in pro-life work and prayed at abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood clinics in WI, AK, FL, MA, and NH, and I have never seen this kind of behavior.  I have, however, cried more than once watching broken, hurting women being led out of the building after an abortion, exuding shame and grief, weeping over the child they left behind, because deep down they know that even if they were unable to keep and care for their child, it would’ve been worth it to put on hold, for 9 months, their education, a regular paycheck, whatever-the-case-may-be, to have given their child life instead of death and the unholy burial shroud of a biohazard waste box.

Women and children are too precious -they are not and should never be treated as dollar signs- to wound and discard.

There’s a bird, please don’t feed the troll.

Dear Bird, perhaps you should pay more attention, because this sort of behavior is extremely common. In some places, decent people actually volunteer to protect women against anti-abortion sociopaths who exhibit the kind of behavior I described.

You say that it would have taken only 9 months more. You are obviously a man, because otherwise, you’d know that women are very unlikely to give up actual children for adoption. Moreover, let’s say that they did. Imagine 1.4 million babies being added to the abortion rolls, what would that do? Anti-abortion people are of no help, as I don’t see you adopting anyone even today, you prefer to rant and rave about abortion.

You claim to regard women as precious, but we know that anti-abortionists favor victimizing rape victims for a second time. It’s disgusting, and that is why people will fight you to the death, because death is preferable to seeing religious fanatics get their disordered way.

I agree with Ann.  PP is going to make so much more money off of this.  One of my facebook friends has made it their mission to get PP donations.  Too bad for her she hasn’t had to many people agreeing with her.  I’m also am disappointed in SGK because I also feel that breast cancer awareness is another marketing ploy by businesses to make more money.  There is no money in finding a cure.

Wow! This post has almost as many fights as the ones about pants vs. skirts. I am vastly amused.

I’ve seen the same thing among my Facebook friends.  I don’t generally engage in debate on FB, but I did have to counter the ridiculous “augh!  they’re taking cancer screenings away from poor women!” hyperbole that was rampant on Wednesday.  You make a good point about making a small donation now just to send a message but I’m reserving judgement on them for now.  Plus, I’m still annoyed over the time last fall when I inadvertently bought a dozen eggs with the stupid pink ribbon on the carton.  I didn’t notice it until I was putting my groceries away—then, in an insult added to injury, I discovered the next morning that EACH INDIVIDUAL EGG had the stupid pink ribbon imprint.  Bah.

Some of these comments are troubling. There is no monster here. The reason PP does abortions and provides abortive birth control is they do not recognize the sanctity of human life. How could they? They do not have God in their lives. If you want to stop abortion, show them God in their lives. Which means stop being rude, demeaning and down right nasty.

I understand your point, Simcha, but Komen won’t get a dime of my money until they quit denying the link between abortion and breast cancer. The Breast Cancer Prevention Institute (http://www.bcpinstitute.org/) has enough epidemiological studies to sink a battleship on this, and yet Komen plays dumb. They do not care about women’s health.

Your comment: “It’s disgusting, and that is why people will fight you to the death, because death is preferable to seeing religious fanatics get their disordered way.”  is typical rhetoric of the herd of liberal minded who claim to be supportors of womens rightrs by encouraging them to commit murder. 
Whose death are you offering?  Your own? No!  You offer up the life of the child yet unborn!  You are participating in the most evil of evils!

Yeah, providing healthcare for people who can’t afford it is so /slimy/.
 
Yeah, “the diseased one, the junkie, the liar, the one with no shame, the one who cannot be trusted with your money” gives affordable or free PAP smears, cancer screenings, prenatal care, STD treatment…horrendous. How dare they.
 
http://plannedparenthoodsavedme.tumblr.com/post/16969668927/thanks-to-planned-parenthood-i-have-3-kids-in-college

Short term, PP will make more money.  Long term, Komen is better off without them.

Komen was having problems raising money among churches because of their association with PP. In the long run, there is far more money in the churches than there is from outraged lefties and sympathetic politicians.

Dear Jim, PP is a non-profit. Its purpose is not making money, but helping people.

Dear Walter, if you want to see the most evil of evils, look at the history of your Church, or perhaps how it has dealt with children over the past 30 years. If you want to see evil, read your Bible, your God enjoys nothing more than slaughtering innocent firstborns.
I am also not a liberal. Not everyone who is not a religious fascist is a liberal, buddy.

I hear that the Komen Foundation refuses to pay for prostrate cancer screenings.  Obviously they hate men too.

What else do they not use their unlimited funds for?  I think we are just seeing the tip of Komen’s iceberg of hate.

To the commenter who asked about adoptions . . . My husband and I are parents of two biological sons, one adopted daughter, and are waiting to adopt another 2-year-old daughter. There are at least 25 other families at our church who have adopted children, some because of infertility, and some who just can’t stand the thought of children not having a permanent, loving family.  Maybe among your circle of friends, no one is adopting, but for many of us who call ourselves pro-life, it’s just one more way of caring for children and loving them they way every child deserves to be loved.  There are about 125,000 children in the US available for adoption at any given time.  Most of them are older, since they can only become available after multiple placements in foster care waiting for their biological parents’ rights to be terminated.  So if there were suddenly more infants available for adoption, you can bet that couples struggling with infertility would jump at the chance to have the privilege of parenting a newborn.  Adoption can be such a beautiful, life-affirming thing, but finding an infant to adopt is so rare, partly because of abortion.  If you talk to more pro-life people, you’ll find many links to adoption among us.

@Tim. Well played, sir.

Dear Khomeini Foundation,

Who are you? And why on earth is your handle “Khomeini Foundation?” What is your intention in commenting on this blog? I’m finding it difficult to figure you out.

Khomeini,

You should read Unplanned by Abby Johnson.  I wonder what you would think of Planned Parenthood?  A real thinker can read both sides of the argument and then make their conclusions.  Please read and then tell us what you think!

Thank you,
L. W.

It’s interesting that this Komen decision has been such a touchstone. If you think about it, for an organization that gets hundreds of millions of tax dollars, the grant monies from Komen represent a drop in the bucket and can’t possibly affect PP’s operating budget all that much.

I think the real issue here is that what is considered to be a “good” organization (in nearly everyone’s mind, as evinced by the yogurt lids, rallies, collections at the office, etc.) is finally breaking ties with PP, and people are being forced to look in the mirror and being asked to evaluate their own consciences in light of that. If we Americans hate anything, it’s our consciences (we have a right to privacy, but no right to a conscience anymore). In some rare cases, this self-examination (no pun intended) seems to be causing a kind of minor psychotic break, as appears to be the case here with our resident troll.

I have to second Judy’s comments below.  I’m really pleased Komen has broken with PP for now, but I’m troubled that they continue to ignore consistent, growing research showing that both contraceptives (some) and abortion are linked to breast cancer.  Maybe severing ties with PP will allow them to publicize this link more openly…

Love your posts, though, Simcha!

Posted by Judy Bettinger on Friday, Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM (EST):

I understand your point, Simcha, but Komen won’t get a dime of my money until they quit denying the link between abortion and breast cancer. The Breast Cancer Prevention Institute (http://www.bcpinstitute.org/) has enough epidemiological studies to sink a battleship on this, and yet Komen plays dumb. They do not care about women’s health

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/simcha-fisher/we-are-here-we-are-here-we-are-here#ixzz1lKy47Iso

Too bad you can’t get your money back, Simcha. SGK has caved to PP’s bullying.
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http://a-star-of-hope.blogspot.com/2012/02/susan-g-komen-has-caved-to-planned.html
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I plan to send my donation to the National Breast Cancer Foundation (http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/) instead.

I donated $20 yesterday and ordered a car magnet too. I want everyone to know I support them. I also shared them on my Facebook page. No they’re not perfect but neither am I. The way things are now in the world so many of our choices seem to be between the lesser of two evils.  Insisting upon donating to (or voting for) only the utterly perfect hurts only us. It is infantile to sulk and pout and we lose our voice and our influence if we take ourselves out of the game. Think of it this way: it like with our kids… the key is to catch them being good and praise even the small steps in the right direction. If we want to see more steps in the pro-life direction then we must praise and reward Komen.

I hope you didn’t donate yet. They’ve reversed their decision.w

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/03/komen-foundation-reverses-decision-to-end-planned-parenthood-grants/

Moot point.  Can you get your $10 back Simcha?

Moot point

Komen foundation reverses decision to end Planned Parenthood grants

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/03/komen-foundation-reverses-decision-to-end-planned-parenthood-grants/#ixzz1lL1tWm8Y

Sadly, it looks like Komen already caved.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/susan-g-komen-planned-parenthood_n_1252651.html
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How mightily brave of them to stand for two whole days!
That’s why, when I emailed to thank them for cutting funding to PP, I made the caveat that my donation would have to wait until I saw that it was a permanent separation…  They’ll be waiting for my money for a long time.
Besides, I really hate pink.

Well Simcha, sadly it appears that SGK WAS politically motivated:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/03/komen-reverses-planned-parenthood-decision/

And the decision has been reversed!  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/susan-g-komen-apologizes-for-cutting-off-planned-parenthood-funding/

If nothing else, hopefully this story solidifies for pro-lifers why they should not be participating in fundraising of any kind for Susan G. Komen. Despite what Planned Parenthood says the money is going toward, any funds toward Planned Parenthood helps to free up other funds to be used for abortion.

Oh, well.  I agree with you, Simcha: Protection racket is a good comparison.  Aaaaannnd this will last in the collective memory of the culture for approximately—wait? —What were we talking about again?

I can now go back to refusing to donate to Komen for all the reasons I used to, only one of which had to do with Planned Parenthood.

thinkbeforeyoupink.org

Well-played, Simcha. Too bad they did cave. I agree that Planned Parenthood does act like a heavy-fisted mobster (albeit in pink). But then, when you deal out death you learn to desensitize yourself, don’t you?

Didn’t take long for Tomeo to prove her point.

I just called and canceled my donation. Here is the number: 877-395-6636

Interesting take on this

http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/decoding-komens-supposed-cave

If you look at the press release, they’re not actually renewing the funding. They’re just giving them the rest of what they already promised PP (which they had already planned on doing) and then preserving PP’s eligibility to apply for future grants.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26022

Oh, the golden, sacred calf.  How dare you blaspheme it’s demand for human blood?  I’m so sick of otherwise rational people averting their eyes from the studies. YES THE PILL AND ABORTION CAUSE CANCER! And what about the fact that the makers of ANY bc pill show in their OWN findings that one in an alarmingly low number will die of a fatal blood clot.  Health care, huh?  Yay for big Pharma! Yay for the billions of dollars they make!  Yay for the sex cult that has altars in every Planned Parenthood in America and abroad.  Yay for sea and river life being altered by tons of fake estrogen being flushed down millions of toilets.  Yay for a new study which dramatically shows that the more sex partners a woman has, the more clinically depressed she will be.  (What?  You mean women don’t LIKE the way it feels to be USED and tossed aside?)  Yay for the combatant Planned Parenthood “escorts” who I witnessed tearing up packets of information directing girls to a pro life clinic.  These girls had the packets snatched from their hands.  They sneered at me and called me “The virgin Mary” because the Mexican girls accepted rosaries. They became enraged when a girl was turned away. “Yay” for the Planned Parenthood doctor who was a deacon in his church, and who actually came out in his white coat and screamed at me (a skinny 21-year-old holding an infant) when I quietly and respectfully talked a young Mexican couple (they had three kids!) out of a vasectomy.  THAT is the real face of Planned Parenthood.  Stand in front of one.  You will literally feel oppressed.

No guy in his right mind would try to suck up to his date by tucking money into the spangly bra of a diseased stripper. Let’s let corporations know that that’s what Planned Parenthood is—the diseased one, the junkie, the liar, the one with no shame, the one who cannot be trusted with your money—and above all, the one corporations can’t afford to be associated with.

I suppose you think corporations are people? Do you honestly think they can be Catholic—baptized and obedient to the faith? Corporations don’t have any other morals but to stay in business. If you want them to ban Planned Parenthood and other birth control/abortion providers, they will loose the productivity of women workers (who get paid less than men). It is more cost-effective for business to support these providers.

Thanks, Simcha. Your writing is one of the highlights of my day :)

Dear Nancy, wonderful. Please tell me where you live, so I can make a delivery of 1.4 million babies per annum, which as you state, is more than 10 times the number currently available for adoption. Don’t blame government restrictions. Remember the New York/Florida woman? So adoption is not going to work.

Dear John, I am a simple pro-choicer who is disgusted that people would sacrifice breast cancer counseling, just because the organization doing the counseling is also performing abortions. As for my name, it’s a parody of Komen (as you no doubt know), I combined it with the name of an Iranian religious fanatic. I am here to give people another point of view, and I am surprised that I haven’t been banned yet.

Dear Leroy, I avoid advocacy works by either side, and I especially strive to avoid lining the pockets of people I disagree with. I prefer objective non-fiction. I gather my own facts and then make my conclusion.

Dear Anna Lisa, please get a grip.

I am saddened to see that Simcha considers people with a different opinion to be “thugs”. But I guess everyone shows the light of Jesus Christ in his or her own way.

All these huge organizations that handle huge amounts of money have similar behavior patterns. They support liberal social causes in hopes of distracting liberals from their offshore investments, their moving jobs overseas, their attempts to castrate the EPA and their sponsorship of loopholes in the tax code that take them and their CEOs far below their true tax bracket. In the case of SGK, it’s probably to distract from the slim percentage of donations that go toward actually helping women.

Then the organizations purchase politicians of all stripes who give lip service to the voters about traditional values, the freedom to die from being uninsured or a woman’s right to choice—whatever serves—in their districts while focusing like lasers on maintaining corporate domination of the economy.

What saddens me most about this whole issue is how basic health care in America is so politicised and really just a profit-grabbing tool of big business.  I am always shocked to read about what you folk have to go through to get pap smears, mammograms, testing, treatment, emergency care, or even just simple everyday care. The cost, both financial and emotional, seems huge. This latest mess surrounding PP speaks yet again to the bewilderment in my heart. I of course agree with women being able to get free or low cost testing - and yet I am pro-life. So I want to support both sides! I’m amazed if it’s really true that free services are only available at PP. I can’t imagine what it must be like to actually live with this dilemna. Maybe if I did, I too would be reduced to calling other people nasty names because they had a different opinion to me.

Dear anna lisa, Please Get A Grip! 

How dare you offer your own personal experience with nasty hatemongers instead of respecting the hyperbolic rumors mongered by an anonymous troll who has nothing better to do today?!

And I Thought You Were Nice.

Sarah: Free services are NOT only available at PP.  In fact, I’ve heard that PP doesn’t even offer mammograms but have to send women elsewhere to get them.  There are Catholic charities that do for poor or disadvantaged women.  Yet no one ever hears about them.

Khitomer Foundation (do you see what I did there? I took the thing you did, and then I switched it up a bit to reference a famous massacre in Klingon history. Hoo, boy—ain’t I clever!):

“Thugs” refers not to the opinions of Komen, PP, or their supporters, but their tactics—which are undeniably thuggish. Let’s review: Komen didn’t announce they were not renewing PP’s grants a year from now. PP let the news “leak” to their friends in the Media, who then stoked an angry mob (yourself included) who then took to Facebook, (metaphorical) torches and rakes in hand, blasting Komen with vitriol and hate until they backed down. If that is not thuggish, I don’t know what is.

@cowalker, not to mention the fact that Planned Parenthood is the non-religious liberal’s version of the ancient Jewish scapegoat and the Sacrament of Confession rolled into one:  If you give $$ and lip service to PP then you can place all of your guilt over the wrongs of the world into the hands of that organization, allowing it to do the Hard Work of helping people instead of you. 

Of course, Planned Parenthood is like a goat that takes all your sins and then cashes them in for chips in Las Vegas, making sure to leave extra big tips for the legal hookers and strippers there in order to help them to feed their families.

@ Khomeini
see, and we’re surprised that you might take offense if someone asked you to kill, say… your youngest child… because, what’s the big deal - you have one left - or you can just have more. 
Or maybe hey, would you like an ice pick in your mother’s skull, or your father’s skull?  You pick. And whichever one you don’t pick… we’ll provide free healthcare for the rest of their life.  Now, that’s a pretty good trade off.  Considering they’re old anyway, and their lives aren’t worth much.  We’ll even start an organization to pay for the funeral service… but we’ll give 20% of the fundraising to a child sex trafficker so he can by condoms for the 10 year old girls he allows dirty old men to rape. You know, in the name of helping the poor.

Can’t understand why you’d have a problem with any of that.
Are you going to argue that the lives of the people you love are precious?

@Khomeini (heh), since you consider shredding little human beings as the logical solution to a “problem”...  What will you say when you are bent over, drooling, watching your favorite show, and the “quality of life thugs” come for you?... Goodness knows that by the time your “arbeit macht frei” existence is considered no longer “viable”, and your baby boomer behind is being supported by a dwindling number of taxpayers, whether or not you’re willing to go will NOT be questioned…. I know, I know, I broke the troll rule.

Have you spontaneously combusted yet, Khomeini?

Dear Victor, if you want to talk about Klingon history, you’re in the right place, with all your fellow pro-lifers, cause I don’t know what the hell it is. You seem to have a strange conception of hate. One is not hateful because one does not want far-right Republicans to divert funds from PP facilities that aid hundreds of thousands of women, just because of anti-abortion ideology. 
Dear TRS, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Dear Anna Lisa, it does not sound like you have managed to get a grip, like I advised you. The reference to the motto of Auschwitz is especially puzzling.

anna lisa, You are Still Not Gripping Me.  I mean Yourself.  In fact, one might say you are being “hysterical”!  I have no argument against you but I will resort to a subtle sneer against the slightest bit of emotion I can detect in your post! 

See I Am Smart(tm) and You Are Not; please overlook the fact that I do not even know what Klingons are or why you would reference Nazis.  I DO know that it is So Wrong to take money from soebody who wants to help people, except when we are talking about a racist government or a Planned Parenthood-crossing charity or something.

Let this be a lesson to you.  (I have my crooked finger pointed and I. am. shaking. it. OMINOUSLY.)

BTW, I just heard a voice clip of a PP spokesperson on NPR, she was purring about how she trusts Komen at their word and “confident that this is allll behind us now.”

Not a thug, right?

Dear Corita, it is unclear what you are trying to say. Try being more coherent, that will help. Also, it might help to know what a thug is. Taking someone at their word does not a thug make. On the other hand, hiding child molesters and transferring them to parishes where they can continue their godly practices…

O, SNAP!!!!  OMG U R so rite the Church and chld mlstrs!!!!  Sry i 4got U WIN!!!!!!

I have never cared for the pink/cure/ribbon thing, either.  I had breast cancer, I had surgery, chemo, and 5 years of adjuvent misery, but I just don’t want to be labeled “cancer survivor”.  It makes me sound pitiful.  It makes me feel like a trophy to the pink gods.

@Corita lol you brightened my day despite the toxic subject matter.  They called them “untermenschen” before they gassed them at Auschwitz.  But our culture is faaaaaar too enlightened to systematically kill “undesirables” or to dehumanize anyone.  I too have seen the light!  Thank you, superenlightened Planned Parenthood supporting illuminati!

Lol @Corita,you brighten my day while I’m being elevated to a higher level by Planned-Parenthood-supporting-illuminati.  Fetuses are untermenschen.

Thank you Simcha, I do think I’m a rather hot item if I do say so myself.
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I donated, doing the B.F. Skinner thing and heaping rewards on them for the smallest step in the right direction.  It wasn’t a lot of money but it was a lot for me at this time of year, with my work being at its seasonal low point.
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I am not intending to feed the troll, but I do want to make it clear to anybody else out there reading that I have never, EVER seen THIS:
“Dear Ann, if you want to see a mob, go to a random abortion clinic and observe the appalling behavior of your fellow pro-lifers - screaming and shouting obscenities at terrified teenagers, accosting individuals for no reason, threatening staff and clients, and occasionally bombing and/or committing acts of vandalism.”  On the contrary, when I was out there, WE were the ones that had people yell and curse at us and get in our faces.  One of them called me a retard because he didn’t like my choice to stand in a public place and hold a sign.  Others had been spat at during past campaigns.  And that’s just MY experience.  The clinic didn’t really treat the girls all that well—the security escort just kind of dumps them at the sidewalk, where they often wait for a long time looking ill.  We provided a chair for one who looked on the verge of passing out.

oops, Finding myself redundant while I cook pasta, look for movie listings and bake a cake for my sweet fourth-born, Blaise, whose feast day is today!  Blessings on all.  Peace and good will even to the trolls.

These comments are all so… well poopy.

Hope you put a stop payment on the check!!!

This is God’s money, not yours, so to give it to an organization such as Komen’s knowing that they support birth control and our of ignorance, supports abortion is a sin. As for as KHOMEINI & the dangerous nonsense (garbage) that they are spouting about “pp” actually helping the poor women, is a BIG LIE. If they do help, it is either by accident, too make themselves look good, new personnel that wasn’t broken in by the “pp” staff into their standard of murder, etc. or a promotional scheme to get more women to buy their over-priced “services”. It is amazing how people such as Khominietc. that bows down to false gods can be so filled with hate; I bet that she has a picture of Hitler, Sanger & Obama pasted on her windshield of her car. When she mentioned the mobs, she was so excited because it was her hatemongers that were causing all of the noise.  ANNA LISA, way to go girl, keep up with the truth as we all know that those who spread lies will not get into Heaven, but, will spend eternity with ALL of those that are attacking God, His Church & killing His children. +JMJ+

Corita on Friday, Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM (EST):
“@cowalker, not to mention the fact that Planned Parenthood is the non-religious liberal’s version of the ancient Jewish scapegoat and the Sacrament of Confession rolled into one:  If you give $$ and lip service to PP then you can place all of your guilt over the wrongs of the world into the hands of that organization, allowing it to do the Hard Work of helping people instead of you.”

I am confused by your comment, since my post on Friday, Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM (EST)described what I see as a pattern of corporate behavior, and said nothing about PP. I said that I see a corporate strategy of siding publicly with liberal social causes in order to distract liberals from noticing how corporations are defeating liberals in the military, economic and environmental arenas. Behind the scenes corporations pursue their real agenda by buying both conservative and liberal politicians who say whatever the voters in their respective districts want to hear about social issues, but whose main focus is to work together (see TARP, income tax loopholes, tax incentives to locate businesses, etc.) to preserve corporate power and wealth. That is why so many fat cats say they would be comfortable with either Obama or Romney, because neither will meddle with the economic status quo. In fact, I don’t think any of the candidates would meddle with the economic status quo, but I think Romney will do the most for corporations.

Meanwhile corporations will throw some support to PP and same-sex marriage campaigns, because they hope to get some traction with lefties who would otherwise have to revile them on every count. The strategy seems to be working quite well.

anna lisa, Glad to oblige for the laff; I think I was juvenile but I guess there is something about seeing that completely unthoughful, unexamined kind of sophomoric trolling here on Simcha’s blog that brought out the obnoxious Internet Kid in me.

Untermenschen indeed.  What is less worthwhile, what is lower, than that which we cannot interact with and use to entertain us?  What could be worse than that which demands that we respond to it or it will die?  Worse than sickness and death are the ones who by their weakness, by their neediness and dependence, by their demand that we surrender some of our autonomy, even if temporarily!

Dear Anna Lisa, this may not be obvious to you, but your reference to Arbeit made no sense whatsoever. You are forgiven for being ignorant. Fetuses are not humans to be sub-humans. On the other hand, the many people who have been victimized by the Catholic Church are absolutely, certifiably human.
Dear Enness, you may not have observed this behavior personally, but you can be assured that it happens rather frequently. The mere fact that women who are entering a health clinic needed an escort when you and your confederates were present there, speaks volumes. Be proud of yourself.
Dear JMJ, Hitler was pro-life, he outlawed abortion in Germany. He was also very anti-gay. In other words, he had far more in common with you, than with me. Be proud.

Khomeini, you’ll be happy to know that we hope to keep on adopting until we’re declared too old.  Have you adopted a child yet?  You can be part of caring for the 125,000 children too . . .

Khomeini—I’ll explain it. 1) Ends do not justify means.  (do you need someone to explain THAT to you?  2) I intended to offer an analogy you might understand… that you might defend against the unnecessary, violent deaths of people YOU consider valuable, find it unconscionable, and not be placated by someone making up for it with one or two good actions, or throwing money at undesirable efforts.
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Trying to make you understand that we value ALL life.  Just because you’ve been hoodwinked into believing babies in the womb are not human, does not make it so. Study some science. Look at an ultrasound photo. It’s quite obvious.

Simcha, you hit the nail on the head here…even w/out all the PP slime, SGK is ANNOYING.  I can’t speak for anyone with breast cancer at all, but I can only imagine that I’d be even more annoyed if I had cancer.  I’m so done with all these charities…all my money is just going to my parish from now on!

The majority of people who support Planned Parenthood and abortion are those who have had abortions or those who have coerced or assisted others in obtaining an abortion. They know, deep within, that murdering your own child before it is born, is not human. It is a depravity. Now, they have to scream to the world that abortion is a choice and must be lauded and available, because to do otherwise would force them to admit that they have murdered their own child. They want others to join their club, yet, you never hear them talking about what a wonderful experience it was or how great it is to kill your unborn. Then, they want others to fund it. One at a time, women wake up, they seek help or they don’t. They wallow in their drug or alchohol use, they up their anti-depressant dosage, they go from one shallow meaningless relationship after another. They scream if you try to take their “choice” from them. They have to. They have to drown out the scream of their unborn child or children. They have to make sure abortion remains legal because it is their only way to pretend that legal makes it right.  I pray for the deliverance for all of them from the hell that is their lives. So many are not even aware of where their pain comes from.  Planned parenthood has nothing to do with parenthood, only death. They don’t care about women, only money.

@Khomeini, you call yourself by that name, say Hitler is “pro-life” and you want to be taken seriously?  Seriously?? Anything else you need to express to vent some steam? Okay. You can call me all the names you want, but I’ll still fight for your rights when they want to *off* you.  You know—when you are alone, your partners move on to greener pastures, you can’t WORK anymore…Your worth isn’t dependent upon your “wantedness”—or your material value in the world’s eyes.  Seriously. You don’t have to earn it sister. I got your back.
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Speaking of that, I just came back from a Hookah bar with my two oldest sons and my husband. We had an incredible time. You should try out the “pro-life” outlook… you might just find out that being open to life puts you in the company of some of the most lovely people in the world.  They grow up in a heartbeat.
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All the best…. um Khomeini (my Iranian friends would find that sort of funny).

Dear Nancy, I’m glad to hear that. I hope your home is big enough to receive 1.4 million babies a year, since you say that if abortion is outlawed, they can “just be adopted”.
Dear TRS, the problem was that you were being incoherent. I thought you were off your meds. No, buddy, like people who actually understand science, I understand that fertilized eggs are not babies or children. Of course, you only have these bizarre beliefs because you follow the Catholic Church, regardless of how absurd what they tell you to believe is. I don’t have this handicap.
Dear Deb, take your bizarre fantasies elsewhere. Oh, and PP cares only about money? It’s a non-profit. And it’s a respectable non-profit, unlike certain institutions that spend decades protecting child molesters.
Dear Anna Lisa, Hitler WAS pro-life - the way you define it. He was very anti-abortion, he outlawed abortion and one of his lieutenants even established a Reichsoffice for Combating Homosexuality and Abortion. Stalin also opposed and outlawed abortion, just like Islamic fundamentalists do. You’re in good company, hating abortion and gay people.

Khomeini, did you know that abortion is not a religious issue, but rather a human rights issue? Please see http://secularprolife.org for more info.
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Also, are you willing to take feed, clothe, educate, and support every single victim of domestic violence? If not, I can only assume that you are in favor of domestic violence. Given that, your opinions don’t hold much weight (and it makes your username especially apropos).

anna lisa, I know of an astrophysicist who denies the holocaust happened.  Obviously astrophysics are called into question.  If you believe in astrophysics you ought to be ashamed.  Also Ted Bundy was pro-choice.  That means if you are pro-choice you are just a Bundy lover.  Wait.  What was I saying?

Oh- yeah—: Anyway, I Who Reeks of the authoritative internet voice of the loser 20-something male, have decided to Forgive You.  You, out of all the people on here, are NOT malicious, but just ignorant.  Do not ask me to explain;  I get all of my moral judgements from my gut, not my head, so it would impossible. 
For being Ignorant, I have decided that You Are For-GIV-in!  ...You are forgiven!  Forgiven!  Forgiven!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I9NqR-7s7E

Dear JoAnna, I don’t favor policies that will lead to a(n at least)  tenfold increase in the incidence of domestic violence. If I did, I can only hope that you would want me to have a plan to do something about it. I am still waiting for what abortion-haters propose we do with the 1.4 million babies that will be put up for adoption if they get their wish. * Abortion is a human rights issue. Forced pregnancy is a violation of human rights, one only condoned by totalitarians. Opposition to abortion is a religious issue, which is demonstrated by the fact that it’s religious people (and not just ordinary religious people, but true psychopaths) who are most vocal against abortion, and any eccentric non-religious person who is against abortion is on the extreme margins.
Dear Corita, you may want to read the thread, before starting to rant. Your abortion-hating friends were comparing those who are pro-choice to Hitler, when pro-lifer Hitler pretty explicitly agreed with them on the issue of abortion.

Khomeini, I’m sorry, but by your own logic it is impossible for you to oppose domestic violence unless you, personally, are willing to feed, clothe, house, and educate every single victim of domestic violence. Therefore, I can only conclude that if you are not willing to do so, you must therefore support and condone domestic violence. 
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Given that between 1 and 2 million couples are currently waiting to adopt in the United States alone, placing 1.4 million children shouldn’t be a problem since many couples are willing to take in more than one child.
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Opposition to abortion is not a religious issue, as you can clearly see by the existence of groups such as Secular Pro-Lifers (http://secularprolife.org). There are also Atheists and Agnostic Pro-Lifers and Pagan Pro-Lifers (see their respective groups on Facebook). Please provide evidence that these pro-lifers are “on the extreme margins.”

Stop the check!!

JoAnna said:
“Given that between 1 and 2 million couples are currently waiting to adopt in the United States alone, placing 1.4 million children shouldn’t be a problem since many couples are willing to take in more than one child.”

Exactly! I’m one of them, I’ll take 10 :)

I, like Dickens, am always suspicious of people who parrot the ‘overpopulation’ line. Can you tell me *who* these extra people might be? And, if not, how do you know you aren’t one of them?

If there is an issue, it’s lifestyle, not family size. I know many large families who are lighter on the land, and have a smaller carbon footprint, than my husband and I do.

...Thank you God for your Holy Church which is a font of knowledge and sacramental health.  Thank you for loving sinners and saints and every human being between these two points.  Thank you for giving hope to those who feel worthless and lost.  Thank you for teaching us that each human being, of every color and ethnicity, male or female, rich or poor,employed or unemployed, gay or straight, Christian,Jew, Muslim, Hindu, atheist…, newly conceived or decrepit…has INFINITE WORTH, is WORTHY of REDEMPTION and is ETERNALLY LOVED…
Yes. Choice. God forces no one.  We have the power, to choose *love* or *hate*, *life* or *death*, and yes, spiritual *health*, or *disease*.  We are all wounded with original sin. We can succumb to the accompanying ills of this, or struggle against it. We must *make war against ourselves*.
Yes.  We are ALL connected to the same umbilical cord and placenta, in this womb called Earth.
As blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta teaches, it is how we treat the weakest, the most marginalized, and the voiceless, that we can be judged.
Heaven or Hell.  It’s our choice.

When comments start becoming “ad Hitlarium” exercises in “logic”, isn’t it time to close the combox?
Oremus:
Lest internet thugs be eternally tormented by all the fiends of hell, convert them, O Lord.
Lest the innocent be harmed by the sins of thugs, convert them, O Lord.
Lest the innocent yield to thugs in weakness, convert them, O Lord.
From thread-dominating combox trolls, spare us, O Lord.
From wasting our time, Lord save us.
From our own stupidity, Lord save us.
Let us pray.
Almighty and merciful God,
who according to Thy ineffable plan
hast called us into existence to do Thy will
amid the vicissitudes and contagion of this world
grant, we beseech Thee,
both protection for Thy servants who use the tools of this digital age
and confusion for evil-doers who abuse their neighbors and Thy gifts.
Through Christ our Lord.  Amen.
(Paraphrased from Fr. Z’s Litany (private use only))

We’ll, its official now. No more donating to these toadie organizations that betray all moral principle rather than having to deal with the 800 pound hungry bully - and by the way the bully just gained 200 pounds. Sort of suspected it before, and was right. Oh, and by the way, there are other toadie organizations out there that have been suspected of doing the same thing. Be careful what you give your hard-earned money to.

By the way, folks, Hitler outlawed abortion for Aryans only.  Abortion was practiced forcibly as a matter of course for those whose populations he did NOT wish to expand.

Conclusion, in case anyone at all in the entire world is dumb enough to believe that line of logic put out above by a person naming himself after a DIFFERENT bloodthirsty dictator:  If you believe abortion is ok for undesirables but not ok for the Deserving, you are NOT prolife.

I’m pretty sure that I would understand that life begins at conception even if I had not been fortunate enough to be raised in the Catholic faith.

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ask any child you meet, age 5 and under… and explain to him or her, in completely neutral language what abortion is… and gauge their reaction.  They KNOW it’s wrong.
WE know it’s wrong. 
The problem is, it’s really inconvenient and troublesome to the right thing when the wrong thing is so easy.

We all know you value unborn babies more than their mothers, and women in general. A pregnant woman with breast cancer is not a moral dilemma for you, even if the mother would die before the baby could survive.

At least you got a sample about how the majority of the population cares about women’s health.

Hi, Frank W.  Let’s review:
A pro-lifer contributes to a breast cancer fund. 
Planned Parenthood rages against a breast cancer fund. 
Frank W. concludes that pro-lifers don’t care about women. 
Can you explain how you came to your conclusion? 

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As for your “moral dilemma” comment, you seem to be implying that the Church requires women to turn down treatment of cancer, if treatment might harm her unborn child.  This is not so.  I suppose you mean that the Church teaches that a mother should not kill her child if she starts to undergo treatment for cancer.

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Well, science and ethics dovetail nicely here:  it’s much, much safer than widely believed to receive treatment for cancer while pregnant—not only safer for the baby, but for the mother as well:

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http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/8968/Hope-for-pregnant-women-with-breast-cancer.aspx

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Here’s an interesting quote from the article:  “The doctor told us that research had actually shown that women who kept their babies had a better prognosis than those who aborted or weren’t pregnant.” 

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Got that?  Carrying the pregnancy is SAFER for womenn with cancer than aborting.  Is this another example of how pro-lifers don’t care about women?

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Pregnant women are being told to abort their babies before starting treatment NOT because treatment would harm the child or because being pregnant is dangerous for a woman with cancer, but because oncologists want to avoid liability.  Pro-lifers care about the mother and the child.  The abortion industry cares about money.

Don’t you people get it?  The issue here is NOT about abortion but about breast cancer.  That’s what all the uproar was about.  Less than 3% of Planned Parenthood’s funds go to abortion and NO PUBLIC MONEY IS INVOLVED.

As a breast cancer survivor I will never support Susan G. Komen foundation again.  They were willing to let thousands of women loose the opportunity to get cancer screenings because they bowed to the religious right and that is unspeakable.

Cathy - I care a great deal about breast cancer, but I would prefer that my donations go to organizations that don’t also kill children, and who do actual mammograms.

“While Planned Parenthood officials claim that abortions constitute only 3% percent of their services, this figure is misleading. Out of the 10.5 million individual services they provided in 2006, 289,750  were abortions—roughly 3%. But this figure fails to account for the fact that a woman visiting Planned Parenthood for an abortion will receive several services—from a pregnancy test to some manner of counseling to the abortion itself—each of which is counted separately.  A closer look at Planned Parenthood’s client and income numbers shows that the abortion figure is actually three times what they claim.  Of 3.1 million Planned Parenthood clients in 2006, 9% got abortions.  Moreover, abortion accounts for at least a third of Planned Parenthood’s total income from clinic services.”

Source: Planned Parenthood Federation of America.  Planned Parenthood Federation of America 2006-2007 Annual Report. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf.

Obama should mandate the banning of all premarital and extra-marital sex. It is his responsibility to lead people back to Catholic faith and morality. He should stop encouraging the health care for U.S. citizens that enable fornication without consequences.

That’s very cute, Winston.  I’ll let you know if I hear any actual Catholics saying any such thing. 

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In the mean time, I would be happy if the Obama administration would stop interfering with our faith.

Hello! you DO all realize the SGK-PP feasco was a SCAM! Honestly! They declair they will not support PP, and a flood of Pro-Life funds flow in. Meanwhile, PP whines and a flood of brand new Pro-Choice people panic: “Oh, no! The biggist mass mur.dering institution in the nation is gonna run out of money!” So THEY dotate to PP. After a few days, they say “Oops! we don’t care if they may be frauds! After all, it is only people who care about fraud and stuff like that who are calling for this investigation!” and they join back up. And ALL THE MONEY from Pro-Life sukers like us goes RIGHT TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD. It is an admirable display of wit and intellegence, I would applaud them if I wasn’t so disgusted with thier evil.

I had hoped, and this was pretty naive of me I think, that many of these organizations and corporations were giving to Planned Parenthood because they were unaware of what they actually are and do.  They somehow got this reputation of being for women’s health and doing good things for women, when really that is about 1/100th of what they are really about, and they make enormous profits off of abortion.  They don’t need money.  They can take some of their own blood money and fund good programs, but they don’t!!  Instead they suppor their own and democratic candidates, and give millions to depopulation organizations who are probably the most racist entities on the planet.  But when I was about 9 and drove past my first planned parenthood, I assumed it was a place where babies were born.  I thought the name sounded nice.  It even had a sign out with a picture of a small family.  It makes me shudder now.