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Is the World Getting Worse?

Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:00 AM Comments (80)

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Well, it’s definitely pretty bad.  Turn on the news, and any halfway decent citizen will quickly run out of adjectives to describe what goes on in research labs, classrooms, courtrooms and battlefields alike.  And even in the shelter of our homes, several generations are growing up plugged in, tuned out, increasingly deaf and cold to the calls of the human heart.  Evil surrounds us; we’re drowning in it.  Horrors abound, and no one is even outraged—we’ve even gotten to the point where the worst actions are lauded as progress or enlightenment.  No doubt about it:  the world is getting worse.  The end must be near, because, God help us, we’ve never sunk this low.

Or have we?

This probably points to some sort of personality disorder, but I actually cheer up when I realize that things have been bad before.  This bad, or worse. My grasp of history is feeble at best, so you scholars can correct me.  But I seem to recall that the world used to look like this:

People used to pierce the ankles of unwanted babies and leave them on a hillside to die.  This wasn’t just some backward peasant behavior or something done with shame in secret—royal families did it, too, with ceremony.

Gladiatorial games:  men fighting to the death purely for the entertainment of others—the gorier, the better.  This was an utterly acceptable pastime among the most cultivated classes for at least a few hundred years.

Crucifixion was a common punishment.  And the guillotine used to be very busy, and it was considered mere justice to chop off hands or throw people in debtor’s prison.

Slavery flourished on every continent, and was tolerated or embraced by intellectuals and humanitarians alike.  Ditto for the most blatant racism of every kind.

Child labor was commonplace.  Illiteracy was commonplace.  Treating women as property was commonplace.

There were such evil popes.  Hoo hoo!  If you want to see the Church in a shambles, don’t look at your bulletin—look in a history book.  Whining about Benedict?  Dissatisfied with John Paul II?  Perhaps you’d rather have Alexander VI or Urban VI as your papa.

Whole civilizations, which considered themselves urbane and progressive, lived knee-deep in the blood of the poor, the insane, the helpless.  I know what you’re thinking:  it’s just like today!  We allow millions of abortions, millions of women treated like so much meat, millions of children abused and neglected.  I know.  I’m just saying, there’s nothing new under the sun.  Things have been this bad before.  Original sin didn’t take several millennia to really get going. 

Think this century is the worst ever?  Think about this:  people didn’t used to know about the Trinity, or the Immaculate Conception.  The Eucharist used to be reserved for special occasions—likewise confession.  Some people were born before the Incarnation!  Talk about unlucky!

Overall, mankind may very well be breaking even in its achievement of evil, if you take the long view.  I think that evil comes and goes like a tide, cutting new channels here, eroding the land there, but drying up in other spots, and maybe sometimes even receding radically, to leave fertile land in its wake.

I don’t think that the world is getting better.  But is it worse than it ever was?  I don’t think that’s true, either.

Kristen Johnson recently shared this quote from St. Francis de Sales: 

Do not fear what may happen to you tomorrow.  The same Father who cares for you today, will care for you tomorrow and every other day.  Either he will shield you from suffering or he will give you unfailing strength to bear it.  Be at peace, then, and put aside all anxious thoughts and imaginings.

Sometimes, we can be so overwhelmed by the abundant evil of our times that our lives seem unbearable.  And that’s the truth:  evil is unbearable.  But we’re not asked to bear it—not all of it, anyway.  We’re never asked to face all the evil in the world, or even all the evil in our own lives, all on our own.  That’s something to think about during Lent, as we contemplate the poor, suffering Christ as He carries His cross:  He did it.  We can’t. 

So step back, marvel at how lucky you are to be living in this century, and let God worry about the long view.

 

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“Think this century is the worst ever?  Think about this:  people didn’t used to know about the Trinity, or the Immaculate Conception.  The Eucharist used to be reserved for special occasions—likewise confession.  Some people were born before the Incarnation!  Talk about unlucky!”

This particular paragraph struck me as odd. The reason I find it odd is because we do know about the Holy Trinity, we do know about the Immaculate Conception, etc. and yet more people were butchered around the world in the 20th century than any other. We have the two “great” wars that killed more people than previously though possible. Abortion has killed as many children as the entire death toll of WWII. We have the Holocaust, which wasn’t even that bad compared to the Ukrainian “Death by Hunger” orchestrated by Stalin (don’t mistake what I said for “the Holocast wasn’t bad,” it just wasn’t the worst). The rise of Socialism in all it’s many forms (communism, fascism, distrubutism, etc.) has killed more people than any plague or war. All this AFTER Our Lord came and died for us. All this after knowing the Holy Trinity, Immaculate Conception, etc. Quite a bit of the things you mentioned are still going on to this day and several have just changed names. Gladiatorial games? What do you think most wars are? Ceremonially killing children? Abortion obviously. Slavory still flourishes here in the U.S. (the the support of the USCCB I might add) in the form of illegal immigration. Formal slavory can still be found in at least half the world. Women are still treated like meat in every muslim country and family around the world.

You said “I’m just saying, there’s nothing new under the sun.  Things have been this bad before.” Theres plenty “new under the sun” and it’s foolish to say that is has been this bad before. And the really frightening thing is, this is just the beginning. Our only hope is in Our Lord and Lady and knowing that the battle is won, but lets not dilude ourselves into thinking the darkest of night has already passed or will never come.

I don’t think it’s useful to say that higher numbers of deaths = more evil in the world.  A dead baby is a dead baby (and a slave is a slave, an abused woman is an abused woman, etc. etc.), and the suffering of each one is the same, no matter how many others suffer their fate.
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My point is not, as I said, that things are any better now, or that the world will go on forever (God forbid)—just that the hideous things we see are not an innovation.  The +means+ by which people hurt each other are new, but the intention is the same as it has been since Cain. 
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The reason I think it’s an important point to make is because I see so many people drowning in despair, because everywhere they turn, they see evil.  I just want them to know that it has always been this way.  There is no golden past, no innocent time when things were fresh and unstained—not since Eden.  I see people pining and mourning for a past that never was, and it keeps them from seeing the good in the present world.  It’s called despair, and it’s a mortal sin.
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I didn’t say that knowledge of the Trinity made people behave better! I just said that I’m glad to have that knowledge.  Aren’t you?

Way to cheer us up, Simcha. :(

Oh well, at least now women can wear pants.

Argh.  I hate the “20th century was bloodiest [worst] because more people were killed than ever before.”  Part of that is because more people were alive than ever before.

When Cain killed Abel, he obliterated 75% of the worlds’ population—talk about genocide.  And yet, we still perservered by God’s grace.

Thank you so much, I really needed this right now.

Chris L.
With respect, I think there are several parts of your post that you need to review carefully.  In particular, distributism is not considered a form of socialism; and it has been proposed by such Catholic thinkers as Chesterton and Belloc based on principles originally laid down in Rerum Novarum.

Further, as we try to compare the evils of the 20th century with the evils of the past, we have to keep in mind that the population of the world was much larger in the 20th century than it had been in similarly troubled periods in the past. If we look at deaths by war, you might be surprised to learn that there are a number of wars that killed a higher percentage of the world’s population than either WWI and WWII, and that even if we look at absolute numbers, WWI is not in the top 5!

Finally I would point out that the Resurrection never was meant to single the end to death and suffering in the world.  We know that only comes when Jesus comes again.  We just need to be careful about finding our own times so extraordinary bad in world history (they are not) that we jump to the conclusion that the second coming is near.  It might be… but there is no way for us to know it.

Nice thoughts. It’s true that things have been very bleak in the past. But I still think that man has refined cruelty to a horrifying extent this last century, but you’re right that this has always been man’s baser nature, even if he hasn’t always found the means to express it before, and if perhaps some regard for His Maker prevented him from this unholy descent. I would only add that even if things are so bad today, we were warned, weren’t we, that before the end comes, many shall depart from the Faith. In the blackest of times, the light of truth shines the brightest. And the night is darkest just before the dawn.

When I am confronted (as I am often living as a Catholic in the Bible Belt) with “the end times are here” talk, I have one response, “You know not the hour or the day. Neither do I. So, let’s live the best life we can, enjoy what we can of this life now and look forward to the next.” Doomsday prophets have a tendency to be…depressing. I don’t think God intended us to be depressed in our waiting. Being that where I live was a hot-bed of American slavery in the Civil War (oxymoron much) I tend to remind people who are saying the end times are near (based upon what a crappy world we live in that is only getting worse because Obama is president, Catholics worship Mary, or take your pick of the other terrible things going on in the world)that God wept when their ancestors kept other humans as property and yet, allowed us to go on. Why was that time better than now? Wailing and gnashing of teeth does very little to improve the situation. Living a life of faith, love and morality does quite a bit more.

Agreed entirely, Simcha, I remind myself of the same things when I feel despaired, but what bothers me is the increasing difficulty of raising children with solid values in our increasingly secularized, me-first, hedonistic, materialistic society.  I know that the immediate people you choose to surround your family with are the ones that matter—but, and I don’t mean this in a snooty or elitist way—people who have values other than money, toys, ‘n’ fun are increasingly hard to find, at least in my neck of the woods.

@Simcha You seem to be confusing two similar words and their meanings.I didn’t say a “higher numbers of deaths = more evil in the world.” I said more people were butchered, not usually a term simply meaning died but murdered. More murder = more evil.

@Patrick You have some few more months before Talk like a Pirate Day comes around again. Let me see if I understand something. As long as the number of people murdered in proportion to the population as a percentage doesn’t change over time as long as there are equal increases or decreases to both then all is fine and dandy? I’m sorry but are you kidding? Who cares what the population is, more people were murdered in the last century than ever before! Also, back away from the biblical literalism before someone loses an eye. If there were only two other people on the whole planet, why would Cain be afraid that “anyone may kill me at sight?” Almost immediately after “Cain had relations with his wife.” That could only be his sister or his mother if you read it literally.

@MarylandBill We do not live in a socio-economic vacuum. There is not some void where we can just create a new economic and state structure. We have to deal with what we already have and do what we can with it. By its nature, distributism must invoke the power of the state, a dangerous move that ultimately undermines its own objectives. It must create a highly centralized state in order to achieve what it longs for. Thankfully, economists such as Tom Woods have debunked distributism pretty thoroughly. Mr. Woods has to excellent books that deal with it entitled The Church and the Market and Beyond Distributism.

This whole percentage of the worlds murdered compared to the total population thing is getting a bit old and is frankly disturbing that anyone cares. More people were murdered period. How is that so hard to understand.

I never said any such thing about our Lord’s Resurrection. I only said that we commit even worse crimes on even greater scales knowing that such Things are real and did happen. I am open to being corrected about a time as bad as ours. Even our Holy Father has warned that western civilization is on the brink. Mohammadenism is rising again, just as Belloc predicted. The Church is in shambles with every realistic person knowing it’s just going to get worse as society turns more against God almost daily. Socialism already rules over half the world while the other half is trying to keep from simply sprinting there. Does this mean that the Second Coming is tomorrow? No, but who am I to say it isn’t. And yes, the Second Coming is nearer that it was yesterday. We live in linear time. Time moves forward unlike eternity. Today is closer to the Second Coming than yesterday. The crucial point to understand is that we don’t know when the finish line will suddenly appear but since we keep moving forward, we can rest assured that it is closer.

Or as people say in this part of the country, “God is good. All the time.” Simcha, also recall that several of the Holy Fathers issued edicts against slavery. In at least one instance, governors of Spanish colonies forbade the edict being read at Mass. Though there have sometimes been grievous sinners leading the Church,we’ve often failed to follow the good.

I love this! I grew up hearing that the world has been getting progressively worse and worse, and that in the last 100 years we have seent he most decline. I think that no matter what century we are in, there were major moral challenges. I have a half finished post on this topic, maybe I should write it. :)

But we just did our taxes and we owe the gov’t money - so, really, I think things really are worse than they ever were before… oh, but for all of humanity? Yeah, you’re probably right.

Chris - how is illegal immigration like slavery?  People wouldn’t come here if they were better off in their home country and no one forces them to come…

Are you, by any chance, half-empty kinda guy?

@JH How is illegal immigration like slavory? Really? Let take a look shall we? Slaves worked for next to nothing, if anything. Illegal immigrants work for next to nothing, if anything. Slaves worked in horrible conditions with brutal treatment. Illegal Immigrants work in horrible conditions with next with brutal treatment. Both are subject to human trafficking. Both are denied any protection under the law (for completely different reason which will completely derail the current subject). Both are treated as sub-human by those who “employ” them. Gee, how are they alike? I don’t see any similarity, do you? Am I half-empty? Do you mean a glas half empty kinda guy? No, I simply refuse to allow naivete and ignorance to control my perception of the world, aka. one of our three enemies.

I really liked this.

“People look upon the Church and say, ‘She is about to die. Soon her very name will disappear. There will be no more Christians; they have had their day.’” - St. Augustine, 1600 years ago

We have more these days. Of everything; the good and the bad. We have more abortion, murder, crime, yes…. but we have things like EWTN for instance, and blogs like this that people like me in Northern Ireland can read daily (big fan!). We have the capability to reach more people than ever before and we have to try and be better at remembering that.

We have more comforts but more distractions.

Great point about people born before the Incarnation. As a history grad student, this is one of my pet peeves. People could be just as sinful or depraved in past centuries; they just might not have been as public about it. Dig up old police reports, smutty poetry (the Earl of Rochester), political tracts (Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason), etc, and you’ll see. The point for Christians is not to yearn for some 1950s uptopia where women didn’t wear pants or a medieval ideal where everyone just did what their priests told them. Instead we have to address and sanctify the world as it is today.

@Sarah “The point for Christians is not to yearn for some 1950s uptopia where women didn’t wear pants or a medieval ideal where everyone just did what their priests told them.” What was the point of thrwoing that in there. Did anyone even hint at something like that and I missed it?

One of the worst things Protestantism robbed from believers (apart from the Blessed Sacrament and the Sacrament of Confession) is the concept of redemptive suffering. 
With no notion of offering up all of our pain and agony at the effects of sin, the sense the life being beautiful because it came from He Who Is Beauty is lost and despair quickly rushes in to fill the vacuum.

I’ve noticed that non-religious, secular people respond to evil by ignoring it or twisting it into something good.  Protestants don’t know what to do with it, so they either ignore it, or focus on the Rapture.  I have only a vague sense of how non-Christian religions answer the question of “why evil, God?”, so I can’t comment on their response, but I know that I’m so thankful I get to throw my lot in with the Church that answers that question and then gives us tools to keep hope alive in the face of that answer.

An elderly visitor at church came up to me in tears at coffee hour, stating how awful it was that she came all the way to America (from the old country)for safety when Japanese radiation is just going to get to us all.- as I like to say (it is harder to internalize) FEAR NOT- and turn off the internets!!! There is enough bad stuff happening right in our own back yard- do we REALLY need to be 24/7 informed on all the world’s troubles? makes for a lot of anxiety….

@Cari Well said.

@ChrisL-
  The big difference between slavery and illegal immigration is that the illegal immigrants are choosing to come here and to work for next to nothing because it’s still better than where they came from.  The slaves were forced, taken, kidnapped and not free… hence the term “slavery.”

I’m in the “it’s definitely worse” column and here’s why. Of course there has been great evil throughout the history of the world. Wars have been fought, atrocities committed. The sexual immorality of the 20th Century can be found in every century since the beginning of time. However, rarely if ever has their been an age where these things were called good like they are today. Obviously homosexuality is not new, Soddom and Gomorrah were destroyed long ago, but then again we didn’t have a push to sanction it as an “alternative lifestyle.” We certainly didn’t have representatives of the Church sanction it like Marquette University just did with their providing “domestic partner benefits” to “committed couples” in the words of the Jesuit president of the school. There was heated, often violent, debate in the Universities of the Middle Ages. But I don’t think there would have been any disagreement that hosting the “V-Monologues” would be reprehensible and has nothing to do with academic freedom. People were sinners then like now, except now they don’t think they are sinners. Couples used various means available to contracept but still knew they weren’t supposed to do it. Now they don’t believe there is anything wrong with it and could care less what the Church thinks. The idea of freedom of conscience is so distorted that people believe themselves to be “their own god” in determining right from wrong. Archbishop Dolan said a priest told him his greatest fear was dying in the confessional because nobody would find him for weeks. Whether this means the “end of the world is near” I don’t know. I do think it inevitably means we will experience an unprecedented level of evil.

@Sarah2 Before issuing some knee-jerk reaction, try reading the entire post first. If you had you would have seen this “Both are denied any protection under the law (for completely different reason which will completely derail the current subject).” Thank your for derailing. Another similarity. Slavery and illegal immigration are both immoral and illegal although don’t tell a majority of our bishops though. Thus ending the derailment.

As my kids get older and I’m constantly reminded that I’m responsible for their well-being (darn conscience and such), I get more and more scared of and overwhelmed with all the evil in all its forms that surrounds them (and all of us).  “...evil is unbearable.  But we’re not asked to bear it—not all of it, anyway.”  Thank you for the reminder!  It really does give me piece of mind!
It doesn’t really matter if this is the worst time or not.  We live now and are asked to do our best with what we have, who we are and what we know NOW.

OH NO! CHRIS L. IS RIGHT! THE WORLD IS GETTING WORSE, AND IT’S ALL THE CHURCH’S FAULT! AAAAIIIIEEEEEEE!

I do think the world is getting worse overall because I read history. Our culture has sunk to pretty low depths: widespred contraception use; abortion; high divorce rates; perverse sexual practices (sodomy, oral sex) accepted as normal; high exposure to pornography; excessive materialism; I could go on. Sure, these have been around for ages, but it was not as pervasive and “normal” as it is now. Ask yourself this question: Do you think your grandmother feared for her children’s future, for their spiritual safety the way you do now? Don’t get me wrong, I still place all my trust in God and rely on his mercy for the welfare of my children, but I do have to be more vigilant in ways my ancestors never would have considered. Ultimately, I think the “is the world getting worse” question is pointless. The anti-Christ will come one day and Christ will return in triumph. It might be in my time, it might not. But I still have to live as if it were tomorrow.

@Gary The Alligator I don’t ever recall saying it was the Church’s fault but at least we know you scream like a girl in comboxs.

Oh, come on, now, don’t be silly.  Gary is not a girl, he’s an alligator.

@Simcha He’s something.

@Chris - the last I heard, it is still illegal to hire an illegal immigrant.  It is also illegal to deny them healthcare and an education.  In fact, my state and some neighboring states are considering offering illegal immigrants in-state tuition.  That would be, illegal immigrants from other countries not other states.  It is also illegal to steal from illegal immigrants, beat them, rape them and murder them.  Those are some pretty serious protections… under the law.  I worked “illegally” one summer and it was true that I was paid less than other nannies and had four times as many children to care of. While I perhaps (or not) was treated “unfairly”, I wasn’t enslaved.  To say so, is to diminish the true crime and inhumanity of slavery.

“To say so, is to diminish the true crime and inhumanity of slavery.”
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Right, JH.  The same is true when we say, “Well, women are still treated unfairly, and children are still abused,” etc.  They are, but it’s not codified into law and society like it used to be:  it used to be utterly acceptable to torture and abuse women who were your “property.”  It disgust me when people compare the glass ceiling, or whatever, to the sufferings of past generations:  as you said, it diminishes the depth of their suffering, and it’s not right.
  This is what I meant by evil ebbing and flowing:  some things are getting better (treatment of women and children, living conditions worldwide, overall; health and life expectancy, and so on.  And some things are getting worse:  notably, the way sexual deviance of every kind is mainstreamed and acceptable.  But I’m not even sure that we’re at our lowest point in that area, either:  Caligula comes to mind.
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I certainly agree with the point that it really doesn’t matter whether the world is getting better or worse.

Oh for goodness’ sake!  Stop picking apart every little statement Simcha makes here.  It’s not a research paper, it’s a general article of interest to make one think.  To make one feel encouraged.  To challenge.  I appreciate your thoughts and am glad you have this forum to “put them to paper” ~ you always make me think and many times I “shout-read” (I made that word up!) your pieces to my husband as he does the dishes or some other job of mine while I read here at the computer!
I’m making my bigger boys read this and calling it “historical current events”  (I made that phrase up, too!) . . .
Have a great day, Simcha,
Allison

HEY, IS “SLAVORY” THE PRACTICE OF KEEPING TASTY SLAVES?

I gave that quote from Francis de Sales when she got married 16 yrs ago & she says she’s been glad she had it over the years!!
  I guess I’d agree with you, Simcha, like I usually do except for abortion. That fact, to me, is the scale-tipper. I know we usually don’t leave kids to die outside on their own (although my niece adopted a baby boy from Nigeria 4 yrs ago who was found on the roadside there) as well as all the other stuff you mentioned but, when I think about the kazillion kids that have been killed before birth in the last 40 years, I’m afraid I have to say you’re wrong on this one.

Did you know that homosexuality was widely condoned and practiced by many in Greece…the word “Lesbian” as applied to female homosexuals comes from Sappho, a Greek writer born in the 600’s B.C., who wrote extensively on her homosexual attractions. Did you know that B.C. Egyptian fertility rites, which involved parades through the streets, were…indecent to say the least, to an extent I won’t go into here? And I’m not even a history major.

@ Melissa,
Thanks.  I was hoping someone would bring that into the conversation.

“Treating women as property was commonplace.”

What are you implying? Wait…are you saying women aren’t property? :-p

So, perhaps the world is really falling to pieces around us. 

And yet, here you are.

Reading a Catholic blog.  A thriving Catholic blog with vibrant authors that would have been unthinkable twenty years ago.

No one is going to come into your house and throw your children into an arena full of lions.  No one is going to fiddle while your city burns down.  You don’t have to celebrate Mass in sewers and your priests don’t have to hide in chimneys.

Are the evils bad right now?  Of course.  There’s always something bad. My take on that is this:  Here is your homework.  This world, this moment you were born into, this is your assignment.  These evils were assigned to you, because you are the one that can fix them.  You are here, in this time, for a reason.

So, yes, children have access to some pretty horrible information and have their faith shaken daily.  That is why you are a parent now, because you can inform yourself and be a good parent.

Yes, your relative may have an internet porn addiction.  It is your prayers and help he needs. 

Yes, abortion is the horrible evil of our times.  So, fight the evil in whatever way you can (everyone can pray).  You’re fighting alongside Lila Rose and a generation of survivors who are taking the battle very seriously. 

Is the world a bad place? Maybe.  Be the change you want to see in the world.

If it came to it, I might sell my soul to keep indoor plumbing.

Just sayin’.

“Despair is disappointed hedonism.”
-Abp Fulton Sheen.

I find it helpful to measure my fears against that nugget of truth.

A lot of the negative aspects of the “world” mentioned here are really Western-specific. But I think it’s interesting that the Church is spreading like wild fire in parts of the world that really are a lot like some of horrific scenarios Simcha mentioned. In 2010, the number of priests ordained declined in North America and Europe… BUT it rose in Africa, Asia and South America, in fact, there was a net increase worldwide. Yes, the West is decaying, but that doesn’t mean the world is!

@Gary
Slavory, ROFL.  Wordplay + snarky spelling critiques?  I’d like you if you weren’t so shouty!
@Simcha, do you keep track of/place bets on the percentage of commenters who miss the point of your post entirely? 
Also, you are my favorite.

I’m rather stunned at the ferocity with which @Chris L. defends our era’s claim to evil times.  If we’re looking to oppose evil, critique the culture there’s no doubt there’s plenty of challenges to go around. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.

@Tiffany, you’ve got it right:“It doesn’t really matter if this is the worst time or not.  We live now and are asked to do our best with what we have, who we are and what we know NOW.”

Chris, you remind me of a family member who is not content to demur from my conclusion but must obliterate my reasoning.  In the end, we are actually on the same side of the argument - following Christ - but I’m rather alienated.  I hope you are easier to talk to in person than you are in com boxes.

I TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I HAVE TINY EARS!

I wonder, is the world getting worse AND better, at the same time? In Jesus’s parable, the wheat and the weeds grow together until the harvest. As our power over the natural world and our awareness of our dignity as persons grows, so grows the range of our capacity for good OR for evil. I am speaking of course of its social manifestation on a wide scale; not about the goodness or evil of this or than individual human being. An example from my own experience might help illustrate what I mean. We had a premature baby who spent seven months in the neonatal intensive care unit of a large urban hospital. Our baby’s life was saved and preserved by the application of human knowledge and resources and the dedication of highly trained and deeply concerned people, who were doing the same thing for hundreds of babies who had greater issues and whose lives were even more precarious than ours. The cost was immense, but beyond insurance there was a special government provision for child health care that paid every penny. I saw at work here a marvelous human goodness that was undeniable and a human capacity unimaginable in any previous era of history. But in another part of that very same large urban hospital, abortions were performed, every single day. The same government that pays millions of dollars to insure that rich and poor babies alike can receive this amazing level of care also approves and permits babies of the same age and condition to be killed. Great good and great evil, growing side by side. Ultimately only God can measure the depths of the human condition, and the merit or the guilt of human hearts. This indeed He has already done, once for all time, on the Cross. But looking at “the world” in the only way we can, I think we shall see what we have always seen in human history: ambivalence. And the dramatic increase of human power in our times means an increase in the capacity to do wonderfully good things and in the capacity to perpetrate atrocities. The wheat and the weeds grow together.

With the noteable exception of a few comments, this has been a helpful discussion for me. Esp John Church & John Janaro, I liked Arbshp Sheen & I liked the Weeds & the Wheat. Even though I still think the prevalence of abortion/contraception is the scale-tipper of the argument, I totally agree that the Lord knew & planned on us living during this period of time in order flourish…which we are, blessed be God!

How many of you people drive big gas guzzling cars?  What size homes do you live in?  How hot do you keep those homes in the winter and how cool in the summer? How many of you people understand the connection between your lifestyles and that of the health of God’s creation for all the unborn babies you claim to worry about so much? You all talk as if you lives pure lives.  I know too many “christians” who drive around in the biggest gas guzzling vehicles and who live in homes twice the size they need who never question the numbers of lives they sacrifice in so doing. Climate change IS the source of much death and destruction in the world today already. Drought, desertification leads to a scarcity of resources for which people fight over.  This is the case in Darfur and Niger and many other places across Africa.  In addition our appetite for oil for many places across the globe underlies some of the most atrocious wars. It would be interesting to crunch some numbers on where the greatest suffering is caused by all OUR evil. If I was God I’d be angriest at the hypocrites, like all of you here on this page,  who expend more energy judging others, while choosing not to recognize how many aspects of your lifestyles are killing way many more of his living flock. The facts are,  most war, death and evil is caused by the holier than thou ......very unwell…... very unchristian people of this planet, of which you lot are a perfect example.  That is why orthodox religions are dying out.  And all I can say is THANK GOD FOR THAT.

So Minnie

Do you know all of us personally?  I drive a Kia Rondo (I’m disabled, but walk where I can).  I live, with four other members of my family, in an 800 sq ft house.  Temp during the winter doesn’t go above 19C.  At night, 16C.

So might my opinion now count?  What else do you want to know?  I’ve never been on the Pill or any other form of ABC…I go to Mass every Sunday (or do you really care?).  I haven’t tripped a Protestant in a long time.  Oh, I do use cloth grocery bags.  Some of them are older than my 16yo daughter.  I suppose now I’m a hypocrite because I’m bragging?  But hey, you figured you knew me.

So can I now tell you that while the climate may be changing, I don’t think that I or anyone else has much of anything to do with it?  The climate changed before.  Did the dinosaurs guzzle gas too?  Or just produce it?  Did THEY recycle?  I suppose they did because we now used their remnants to heat our homes…

Where sin abounds, grace abounds even more.

Minnie,
I read your comment to my 6 kids and husband.  After cleaning up the various drinks that we laughed out our noses, we picked apart your statements and made sure that the children could see the fallacies, half-truths, and outright lies. 
We had a great time ; thanks for the fodder.

@Minnie, wow you’ve really been brainwashed.  Just another distraction to keep you from building a relationship with God.  As JP so eloquently stated, climate change has been happening since God created earth, do some research on the other side.

In the West at least, pedophilia is now considered a crime.  But in ancient Greece, in the very golden age of philosophy, it was perfectly respectable for an older man to have a sexual relationship with a pubescent or teenage boy.

How about this 1: THE TRINITY IS A PAGAN BELIEF!!! Look it up, do your research on what you talk about before you speak! THE TRINITY was adopted into the Christian religion by the Roman Emperor Constantine, who he himself was also a PAGAN, in order to convert non-believers into “Christians…” Why dont you people know this stuff??? Thats crazy smh… Maybe thats the reason why the world is getting worse, you think? How about closing your Bible, tuning out your preachers and ministers, picking up a history book, and search for the truth yourself.

“Get At Me”

hi world.

my name is Raoul and i like to dance . dis world is getting rely bad becaz of meh ;)

i like to eat cheese and dance in the nude ;)

the world sucks because i don’t have food right now . :’(

i love cats and i love to run

the world=bad

i love spamming .

Raoul is back from a long vacation .

how come the world hates me ?

Ey tink dat da wohrld es vehry bahd.

i have to go take care of my 69 children now and i will eat cheese and dance in the nude as i care for them .

Raoul es my behst frand.

i relly tink dat da titis and da pecpec es yummaaay ;)

I TINK DIZ WORLD BE VURRY BAHD BCUZ WE DUHNT TAELK TO EACH OTHUR IN PERSON NOW WE HAB DA IPOOOD AND DAH IPHOON THAT YUH TALK DE TALHK ON AND YUH NO IT BE BAD.

Yoou guuuys are sooo verrryybahd now

heeeeeeeeeeeeere we aaaaaaaare, our academy. heeeeeeeeeeeeeere we areeeeeeeeee in self discovery. strooooooooooooong we are, our academy.

you guys love me dont you?

who wants to have da party?

i want to party!!

HAI HAMIES . I LYKE KETCHUUUP!

i like salty bagels.

HAI HAMIES . TIT BE KETCHUP . DCHIP YAH ? IT BE ME HAMMY , I BE SEEING A LOT OF POSTES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE HATE DIS’ WORLD YENO . I LIKE DIS WORLD BCUZ I EAT DA O’MEAL . YOU KNOW ? AND I HAB A NICE HOUSE IN A GLASS BOX IN KAITYS LIVING ROOM .

i rely lyke da vay dat yoo grind

I like the cats .

partaaay time.

Hallo, eye lab yuuh all

apels.

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Simcha Fisher writes for several publications. She lives in New Hampshire with her husband and nine children. Without supernatural aid, she would hardly be a human being.