Thanks Jimmy. I found this very informative and pray that any one that could be easily taken by nothing other then false prophecy read your article.

this gal sounds a lot like the protestant fundamentalists of recent memory, who spend all sorts of contortions to fit the book of revelation into current history.

in addition this reminds me of the gal who followed paul and silas around and proclaimed after them, “these men speak for God!” Sounds really pious, but Paul’s response was to cast a demon out of her! (acts 16:17-18)

Mr. Akin, I disagree entirely. Your blinders are on tight. Thankfully, Time will reveal all truths.

So you just basically said she guessed that Benedict would leave, well he did. Do you know the insides of the Vatican? No, you don’t. You don’t know if Benedict was truthful or not. You don’t know. To make my point again, you don’t know! The second point you made was that she’s only making money off her books because her career is a businesswoman. But you want us to sign up to your supersecretclub. I know your newsletter is free… and so is Maria’s website. Completely free. And lastly, you mocked that God would send his last prophet and use the internet as a shield for anonymity. Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn’t… how would you know? Protip: You don’t know!! Enjoy your day Mr. Akin.

How sad for those who easily succumb to charlatans.  We must pray for the conversion of poor sinners and those who lead them astray.

Not only Irish but from Dublin though I can’t be certain of which side of the city, North or South.  I’d guess South but not middle class - probably working class background but with education.  That’s how I hear it.  Complete hogwash otherwise.  I don’t know of any legitimate visionary who did not live a life of holiness prior to their encounter with Christ.  To turn from indifference to faith and then be a visionary?  Like I said hogwash.

Thank you for posting this. Very informative and stated simply, without attempting to coerce or cajole. “Perfect Love casts out all fear”.
Thank you, Jimmy.

So, would “Maria’s” apologists please explain where Mr. Akin said anything factually incorrect? I am not familiar with “Maria’s” work, so if you all could be more precise in your accusations and defense of her work?

Thanks Jimmy for this fine article. I remember long ago another so-called visionary, Vasula Ryden, used to pretty much say the same thing except she used John Paul II as her example. I am guilty of having followed and believed them once. As I prayed more and grew in my faith, I lost interest in these visionaries and realized my faith lies in Christ and His Church and all she teaches us in order to grow in faith.
May all those who are devoted to such “visionaries” find their way back to the truth so as not to be lost or confused in their faith walk.
Thanks again, Jimmy!

There were several postings on her web site related to the Masonic infiltration in the Vatican that was attacking Pope Benedict. Go to the website yourself and read the posts. They are listed on the home page. Also, wasn’t there an article today in the news that talked about a “hidden” group that was attacking the Holy Father?  Check the dates of her messages and Do your research. Let’s just say, I was not surprised by the Pope’s retirement. Why? I follow the messages. In fact, I told my friends that it is time to put on your seat belts because we are all going for a ride of a lifetime.  Jesus doesn’t want Maria Divine Mercy to interpret or defend his messages. He wants her to proclaim his messages so that we repent of our sins, pray for the conversion of lukewarm souls and hardened sinners and open our hearts to God’s love so that we can all go to heaven and live in peace and joy.  Finally, there have been some recent messages that also warn about the attacks on Maria Divine Mercy and that people should pray for the grace of discernment about the truth of the messages. We are warned that some of the worst attacks will come from fellow believers that will unknowingly follow the Beast, thinking that they are following Jesus.  The website has some great prayers of conversion that will help all of us in this time of need.

Using my real name, ;) I will say kudos and much respect for Mr. Akin stooping to answer this for those subject to such deception. Prayers for those without ears to hear the truth he speaks. It is indeed “a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it.” Matt 16:4
“But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.” Matt 24:36

I have been following Maria DM since almost the beginning.  I have been also a follower of Garabandal, Medjugorje and especially Fatima.  I think that Mary’s words at Fatima - “in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph,” will be fulfilled in our lifetime, but first we will undergo much more persecution and tribulation.  I believe there will be a Warning from God as foretold by Garabandal and St. Faustina.  I think it is going to be soon.  It makes sense to me that the Lord God would use every modern means and work through modern day prophets, just as he did in the olden days.  The fact that this messenger is a woman and a web designer also makes sense.  If I was Jesus and wanted to get my final plea to a world plunging into darkness at a frightening speed - I would do this too - it is all HE CAN do without revealing this himself to us directly, which He will do at the Second Coming.  I do not discount these messages, nor to I wholeheartedly believe them, but I am praying my rosary and DM chaplet and asking for wisdom and discernment - and so should we all.  These are VERY unusual times we are living in - read the signs of the times - something has to happen soon.  PRAY.

This was a poorly written article. You provided absolutely no proof that MDM is false. Did Jimmy pray for discernment before he posted this article NO becaise if he did he would have said that in his article.  Did he read every message NO. This is private revelation and he has no right to tell someone what to believe. This has been evaluated by many theologians, priests, and many wise souls. Under no circumstance no one can impose their own views or interpret. Pray with a pure heart without arrogance, pride, or preconceived views and I promise God will anwser you in regards to her legitamcy.

Thanks for this additional enlightenment Jimmy. Keep it up! You’re a great service to the Church.

Now, if those dates on the website of the so-called prophecies are correct, the “prediction” of Benedict stepping down was on Feb 11, 2012…exactly a year to the day…now that’s weird…

Thanks Jimmy. Wasn’t aware of this.How’s the eyes?
God Bless you and your important work.

Thanks Mr. Akin for your research into this alleged visionary. As the webmaster for the “Mystics of the Church” website (mysticsofthechurch.com), I have spent a good number of years studying the lives of visionaries and mystics throughout the world and there are key elements or ‘hallmarks’ that one will always find with *authentic* (read: Church approved) mystics and visionaries.

The first and foremost indicator of authenticity is obedience to the legitimate authority of the Church. On her website it is stated “At present Maria is receiving spiritual guidance from the Catholic Church.” Problem is, not only does “Maria Divine Mercy” not identify herself and state who she is, but neither has the alleged person of whom she is receiving spiritual guidance from come forth openly to assert who he (presumably a priest?)is. This anonymity on the part of both Maria Divine Mercy and her alleged spiritual director is very much a red flag. Scripture tells us that the demon always prefers to work in in the darkness, in a hidden manner, while God always works openly, in the light.

All alleged private revelations should always be submitted first to the Church through a representative of the Church (read: priest), and it is up to the priest to determine whether each of the alleged messages on an individual basis are to be disseminated, or not. And because those involved are anonymous, it is very questionable and unclear whether this process is occurring in regards to the messages of Maria Divine Mercy.

In researching the lives of the Mystics of the church for the website, thusfar I have never come across a single case in the history of the Church where God told a mystic/visionary to remain anonymous. All of the prophets in the Old Testament always identified themselves, and likewise has the Mystic-Saints throughout the history of the Church.

There are other red flags in regards to discernement of this alleged visionary, but I believe your article has sufficiently pointed out enough concerns which should be enough to caution anyone who is interested in these alleged messages.

In the end, it is only the local Bishop who has the authority to judge the authenticity of this visionary and her alleged messages—the question then is, given that she has chosen to remain anonymous, and likewise her spiritual director, it is highly questionable whether her bishop is even aware of who she is, and her alleged mission as the “7th Angel” or “7th messenger”. Thus while it cannot be formally stated that the messages of Maria Divine Mercy are not authentic, one can be very aware that there is sufficient cause for concern in regards to the prophesies of Maria Divine Mercy, and that Catholics should be very, very cautious and prudent in discerning these alleged messages.

Glenn Dallaire
-webmaster of mysticsofthechurch.com

Thanks Mr. Akin for your research into this alleged visionary. As the webmaster for the “Mystics of the Church” website I have spent a good number of years studying the lives of visionaries and mystics throughout the world and there are key elements or ‘hallmarks’ that one will always find with *authentic* (read: Church approved) mystics and visionaries.

The first and foremost indicator of authenticity is obedience to the legitimate authority of the Church. On her website it is stated “At present Maria is receiving spiritual guidance from the Catholic Church.” Problem is, not only does “Maria Divine Mercy” not identify herself and state who she is, but neither has the alleged person of whom she is receiving spiritual guidance from come forth openly to assert who he (presumably a priest?)is. This anonymity on the part of both Maria Divine Mercy and her alleged spiritual director is very much a red flag. Scripture tells us that the demon always prefers to work in in the darkness, in a hidden manner, while God always works openly, in the light.

All alleged private revelations should always be submitted first to the Church through a representative of the Church (read: priest), and it is up to the priest to determine whether each of the alleged messages on an individual basis are to be disseminated, or not. And because those involved are anonymous, it is very questionable and unclear whether this process is occurring in regards to the messages of Maria Divine Mercy.

In researching the lives of the Mystics of the church for the website, thusfar I have never come across a single case in the history of the Church where God told a mystic/visionary to remain anonymous. All of the prophets in the Old Testament always identified themselves, and likewise has the Mystic-Saints throughout the history of the Church.

There are other red flags in regards to discernement of this alleged visionary, but I believe your article has sufficiently pointed out enough concerns which should be enough to caution anyone who is interested in these alleged messages.

In the end, it is only the local Bishop who has the authority to judge the authenticity of this visionary and her alleged messages—the question then is, given that she has chosen to remain anonymous, and likewise her spiritual director, it is highly questionable whether her bishop is even aware of who she is, and her alleged mission as the “7th Angel” or “7th messenger”. Thus while it cannot be formally stated that the messages of Maria Divine Mercy are not authentic, one can be very aware that there is sufficient cause for concern in regards to the prophesies of Maria Divine Mercy, and that Catholics should be very, very cautious and prudent in discerning these alleged messages.

Glenn Dallaire
-webmaster of mysticsofthechurch(dot)com

Jimmy,
What you have forgotten to mention or intentionally left out was the daily call for intercessory prayers via the Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, The Crusade Prayers and Litany prayers for conversion of sinners and for the mitigation of evil and punishments due to the sins of the world.  There are over 100 plus Crusade prayers given to us by Jesus through “Maria Divine Mercy”. Have you read the prayers??  Do the focus of the prayers go against church teaching?? NO.  They are very much in line.  I find it extremely hard to believe that this “work” is not of God.  The devil would certainly never recommend us to pray the Holy Rosary or the Divine Mercy Chaplet.  “Maria” has not said anything against Scripture.  The antichrist, the false prophet, etc are all in Scripture.  They will happen at some point in time.  “Maria” just happens to be saying that the Lord is telling her that it is NOW in our lifetimes.

^^^  Very well stated Frank. thewarningsecondcoming.com
I encourage all of you to read all the messages and pray for discernment. I promise God will anwser your call.

Even Jesus during His earthly life was accused of Blasphemy by the High Priest, pharisees.  It is indeed happening again now. When God wants to reveal to us in details the meaning of what is in the book of revelation, His very own people rejected the message and persecutes the messenger.

But God’s true sheeps really recognize very well their Shepherd’s voice calling for repentance, penance and more prayers.  Same message of old, repeating, reminding and giving warning. For how can a Father bear to see His children walking in the wrong path that would lead His children to destruction?  He would always intervene because of His great Love.

Maybe the writer of this blog is a member of that brotherhood mentioned in the prophecy that we should be aware of. 

I follow the messages, and everything is not against the teachings of Christ. In fact, people are being reminded of Jesus’ teachings and giving us all the gift of divine warning for us to prepare for the second coming of Christ.

Maranatha.  Come Lord Jesus Come.

I would have to agree with Alan on this one. Math 16 and 24 - seems nothing has changed since Jesus walked the earth. We are looking for signs - reminds me also of the fig tree. These prophesies may be the tree which will be chopped down!
What ever, we have to be like the wise virgins - with oil in our lamps because He may come for me or you before dinner tonight! I have great hope and trust in Jesus words to Peter “I give you the KEYS to the KINGDOM. ......the gates of hell will not hold out against it (church). How consoling - Jesus knew our weakness and knew we would still be wanting signs even in2013 so He gives us the words of everlasting Life. Don,t waste time reading these prophecies but go to Sacred Scripture and read the history of salvation safely deposited in the Catholic Church. Pope Benediction has removed himself through sickness and weariness of old age to hand the keys to a fitter healthier man but he is not resting - he has left the world to higher grace - to pray for the Church. He has left us with some incredible catechesis. Read them and you will find the realMercy of God

“I encourage all of you to read all the messages and pray for discernment. I promise God will anwser your call.” No need for the Church to evaluate these “visions”, eh?  If I read them, perhaps I’ll feel a “burning in the breast”—what the Mormons cite as “proof” of the inspired nature of their books?  Who is her bishop?  Has she complied with canon law (Can. 826) to obtain his permission to publish a collection of new prayers, or are we to believe that God is no longer working through the Church but through this profit-making private web site?

Mr Akin, you are the messenger of Satan. I call upon all God’s children to pray for you.

not mentioned is that in her radio broadcast that is recorded and available on line she claims to have seen the face of God the Father and he has a brown beard.

Hogwash is too kind of a critique .

How can St. Peter the Apostle, who was a Jew, be the same as Peter the Roman?

Prayer to be able to see that these messages are of Divine Origin
Monday, August 15th, 2011 @ 12:00 am

Jesus if this is really you please flood my soul with the sign of your love so that I can recognise you for who
you are. Do not let me be deceived by lies. Show me instead your mercy by opening my eyes to the truth and
the path to your new Paradise on earth.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/help-me-save-all-young-people-the-most-vulnerable-in-your-society/

Crusade of Prayer (11) Stop hatred of visionaries
Wednesday, November 30th, 2011 @ 08:00 pm
“O Sacred Heart of Jesus, please stop the hatred and jealousy, which exists amongst Your followers, towards Your true visionaries in these times.

I pray that You will hear my prayer to give Your visionaries the strength they need to proclaim Your Most Holy Word to a disbelieving world.  Amen.”

I try not to interpret prophecies. Our instructions are clear-repent and spread the Gospel in word and deed. If we do that we have no need to fear any prophecy, or even the end times.

Look no further than this comment section to see the fruits of placing too much trust in private revelation: rash judgement, insults, accusations of demonic alignment and secret society conspiracy against Mr. Akin. Ridiculous and scandalous.

I personally believe in some private revelations (Fatima for one), but God deliver us from using them as an excuse to forgo charity.

At the risk of starting a vicious cycle, take the logs out of your own eyes before pointing out the speck in Jimmy’s.

I agree with Frank as he stated so well; I also had questions and prayed for discernment. When I saw events happen and I truly trusted Him I received my answer…these messages have so much love and a certain ‘divine’ feeling. This I am certain in one of the messages He stated ’ why wouldnt I speak to you this way?’ Trust Him 100% as He ask in the Divine Mercy Chaplet. 11/28/12 He is not happy with those who doubt and has said all $$ to go for printing the book…to the world. The interview is on YouTube of Maria Divine Mercy…God bless us all, time to pray for all mankind.

I’d think that something so “obviously true” would be seamless enough not to have stuff written in it that contradicts correct quotes by Christ in the gospels, such as that we will see our children grow up and get married in heaven…no, we won’t, because Christ himself said in heaven we neither marry nor are given in marriage.  I’m no super scholar but even I can notice glaringly obvious mistakes like that.  I had just read a few out of curiosity, but after that I stopped.

Why are we all so caught up in Revelations, Eschatology and End Time yada yada?? Seriously? Ask yourself this question, how much time have each of you reading this walked out your door lately and done something that has made someone’s life better? Called someone out of the blue and see how they are, stopped to help someone along your way to work in need? How much wasted time have you spent navel gazing on mysteries that will happen in God’s time and His alone? Revelations is an ‘internal memo’ for Christians just to remind them that in the end JESUS TRIUMPHS…HE has it all under control everyone. Spend more time on Matthew, Mark, Luke and John..throw in a bit of Romans..and that should keep us all busy enough humbly living to be His hands and feet and shining light in the world until we leave this existence and into the next. God’s gift to us is TODAY…that’s why its called ‘the Present’ :). Be present to God..but more importantly be present to others today and let God shine through you. Let us not bombard other’w with a war of scripture and cleaver rebuttle..but be a living testimony of the life changing power of the Gospel and the simplicity of Jesus message..to be like a child….every trusting, every faithful, knowing that as long as God is with me all will be well. Pax Et Bonum.

Why are we all so caught up in Revelations, Eschatology and End Time yadda yadda?? Seriously? Ask yourself this question, how much time have each of you reading this walked out your door lately and done something that has made someone’s life better? Called someone out of the blue and see how they are, stopped to help someone along your way to work in need? How much wasted time have you spent navel gazing on mysteries that will happen in God’s time and His alone? Revelations is an ‘internal memo’ for Christians just to remind them that in the end JESUS TRIUMPHS…HE has it all under control everyone. Spend more time on Matthew, Mark, Luke and John..throw in a bit of Romans..and that should keep us all busy enough humbly living to be His hands and feet and shining light in the world until we leave this existence and into the next. God’s gift to us is TODAY…that’s why its called ‘the Present’ :). Be present to God..but more importantly be present to others today and let God shine through you. Let us not bombard other’s with a war of scripture and cleaver rebuttle..otherwise we have become no better than the petulent,argumentative Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus used to shake His head about because they…just..missed..the whole..point! We all need to be a living testimony of the life changing power of the Gospel and the simplicity of Jesus message..to be like a child….every trusting, every faithful, knowing that as long as God is with me all will be well.  Pax Et Bonum.

What I d say is fro us all to read the messages and pray very well for discernment.Has the MDM woman taken a dime from me ,NO.Has she led me astray No,rather by reading the messages I get encouraged to pray more everyday.Is she really hidden.No ,bcos their are people who know her incliding priests.Did the messages say run from the church or don’t obey the Pope,No,I think it only says watch out for the New things to be introduced and Modernism which will destroy the very foundation of agelong Catholic teachings.My brother Jimmy Akin   thinks to protect the Church,I think we should just pray fervently for him.I have cases of people who hit out against these messages but after some prayers begin to believe.What of if these are truely Christs words,perhaps we discover so soon,we may have been guilty of casting aspersion at His words.Best is to pray,take that which is good from the messages,watch and wait while living holy lives so we be not like the people of Ninive who never believed and were shocked too late.Resignation may be thru coercion,and often u will never state u resign unde duress especially from such a high up person as the Pope and coming at a time the church is undergoing some crisis of confidence.I will obey the new pope,untill I hear him support gay marriage and other obnoxious teachings.

I’m just curious… Does Maria specifically condemn people who don’t take her on faith, or is the uncharitable characterization seen in this combox simply the work of her followers with no prompting from Maria? Also, does she address the Biblical passage about “not knowing the day or the hour” of the second Coming?

Just for the record, I am not saying that Maria is possessed or a demon, or even any of the things her disciples are calling Mr. Akin. I think she is a smart woman who was raised Catholic (hence the correct use of her calls to prayers) and who has enough sense to protect her family (children, perhaps) from internet notoriety. She clearly has a strong and vivid imagination, a great gift.

But I have yet to see how her prophecies line up with Catholic Scripture and Tradition and her disciples are too busy slinging mud at and calling Mr. Akin to prayer to enlighten me on those salient points.

Maria disciples, if you are looking for converts, you should see this as an opportunity: without impugning Mr. Akin’s prayer life or character, can you tell me why I should believe this woman trust what she has to say?

I live in Ireland six months out of the year or less, and she is very popular there. More people follow her than what is indicated on line.

I have been trying to steer people away from her. It is hard, as these types of nonsensical things are popular in Ireland and England. She also has followers from other European countries.

Now, with my other ammo, I can use your article. Thanks so much.

Thanks so much for explaining this spurious “prophet”. 
She sounds a little like “Anne the Lay Apostle” a little bit like interpreters of St. Malchy, a little bit like Medjugorje flavored with a good dose of Bayside. 

I’m not sure if the “new age rosary” is affiliated with her.  In any case, don’t know if you’ve done any hunting around regarding it’s etiology.

The two seem to be connected.

Anyway,  thank you for keeping us focused on our Faith.

Jimmy, you mentioned that to follow Maria would put us in the position of schism.  I believe this to be true about Medjugorje followers as well since they do not obey the bishop in charge who says it is false.  Even other bishops and priest went against bishop Zanic or his successor.  I still can’t believe so many people thought that was okay to do.  I had a brother very devoted to our lady of Medjugorje and made many trips there and his answer when I asked about the bishop was “well, he is a bad bishop”.  In his view, we do not need to obey a bad bishop if that is their judgement.  Talk about schism.  It boggles the mind.

I first heard about this woman, two weeks ago, from a young man, who supposedly was educated at Steubenville, and attended lectures given by Dr. Scott Hahn. His background, his present belief and promotion of this woman, simply don’t make sense.  I spoke to him a day or two after Pope Benedict had offered his resignation; he had INSIDE information that Pope Benedict has been forced out!!!  Wow!!!  I now view this young man with new eyes. You did mention that Maria remains anonymous; perhaps this young man is operating the website?  She sell books, I imagine???

John 8, 31-32:  Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” Jesus himself left us his “text book” (the bible), and “teachers” (the apostles and their successors, ie: magisterium). He promised, “The gates of hell will not prevail against it”. So far, so good—1,980 years is a pretty good track record; my bet is on the Church Jesus founded! Thank you Jimmy for always reaffirming her, and keeping the flock from distractions and confusion. Blessings

For anyone who is interested in looking at this issue with a practical and logical perspective…

I have personally spoken with two very trustworthy sources about “Maria of Divine Mercy” and her “messages” who have both confirmed they are full of doctrinal errors and should not be trusted.

Source 1) His Eminence Bishop Robert J. Hermann of St. Louis (who is considered a great spiritual leader in the Archdiocese of St. Louis.)

Source 2) Fr. Roch A. Kereszty, professor of theology at the University of Dallas and Cistercian Abbey in Dallas. Fr. Kereszty is an internationally renowned theologian who has been awarded one of the same scholarship awards as His Holiness Benedict XVI himself.

To those who are attacking Mr. Akin, you should not let your pride blind you into thinking that your own private discernment is more authoritative that the Church’s theologians and defenders. Mr. Akin is backed by more than subjective interpretation.

If the False Prophet does take the Chair of Peter, the gates of Hell have not prevailed.  The reason being the Church is the Body of Christ and is incorruptable.  Was not Jerusalem sacked twice???  Yet salavation still comes from the Jews…

@Philip Mustacchio

It depends what you expect a False Prophet to do as Pope.  If he were to formally teach errors about Faith and Morals, it would mean that Catholic dogma is a lie, and you might as well become a Buddhist or a Rastafarian or an atheist.  Of course, if you’re really entertaining that idea it is the sin of doubt.  On the other hand, if you expect the False Prophet to do harmful things without formally teaching errors, I’d say that there is historical precedent for that already.  It is always shameful and obviously scandalous, but again, we’ve already been through this.

Would rather not have my comments posted if you don’t mind. My one of many issues would be is that she does not seem to be under anyones “authority”...no one is mentioned as her “Spiritual Director” which by itself can cause a lot of confusion.
God bless and thanks for your effort in this regard

Thanks for the article Jimmy. I know people who believe this stuff, and I hope that this summary might be more effective than my own attempts to explain to them why this so-called seer is dangerous.

Time will tell if these prophecies are true.  You should not critize them but remain silent concerning your personal opinions.  The Internet is an excellent way for Jesus to get messages across to the world in an instant. Pray for discernment about the messages.  Jesus said to do just that.  You do not know of God’s plan to salvage the souls of humanity.

\\You do not know of God’s plan to salvage the souls of humanity.\\

Yes, we do, too, HadEnough. God’s plan to save souls is revealed in the Holy Gospels and the teaching of the Church, not in a “magisterium of mystics and visionaries.”

The messages are from God. Would Satan tell us to pray the Rosary, the Divine Mercy Chaplet, go to Confession, Mass to receive the Eucharist, and to pray for hardened souls in our families and friends? No, he wouldn’t.

“Would Satan tell us to pray the Rosary, the Divine Mercy Chaplet, go to Confession, Mass to receive the Eucharist, and to pray for hardened souls in our families and friends?”  Sure, if it’s the fastest route to take you to Hell.  Don’t think that’s impossible!  “Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.”  “And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.”  And more to the point:  Do you really need these alleged messages to know to do these good things?  If the Church investigates the messages and finds them NOT to be of God—and it is the discernment of the CHURCH that matters here, not your private opinion—would you stop saying the Rosary, etc.?

So an anonymous businesswoman from Dublin is one day told by the Holy Trinity that she is the 7th Angel chosen to reveal to the entire world the contents of the Seals in the Book of Revelation.  Sounds awful Hollywood-inspired to me.

I believe you’re right, Jimmy in saying when she sets a certain date, on ANYTHING, she’ll be wrong.  The main thing I believe Jesus said is to be prepared for His coming—whether through death or being alive at His Second Coming and that there will be many false prophets; St. Paul says in Thessalonians that those who would not believe and accept the truth (the Gospel of Christ) would be sent a strong delusion from God Himself to believe the lie in accepting the Anti-Christ.  We all need to keep our souls for God in Christ and to do His will.  I know the Catechism says the Church will have to go through one more fiery trial on earth—before the Second Coming—and right now, we’re seeing some of the start of this, I think,  at least we’re seeing such hatred toward the Catholic Church in the press and in human secularism and relativism.  The devil is ramping it up because he hates humanity so much and especially believers in Christ Jesus.  Pray for discernment and keep close to Jesus and His Catholic Church.  God bless you, Jimmy and your work.  I too, am a Protestant convert to the Catholic Faith and have been hearing end times, and last days preached about since 1972.  God will make a way for His Church to survive through the Tribulation until Jesus comes again.

Advice given by Fr. Zuhlsdorf, with regards to omens, portents and signs.

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/omens-and-portents-and-signs-oh-my/

This seems to be the best advice, I’ve seen so far:

1) Go to confession
2) Do penance
3) Perform works of mercy
4) Pray
5) Love God and neighbor
6) Use sacramentals prudently and often
7) Receive the Sacraments properly

Do all the above and you’ll be prepared - no matter what happens - whenever! And as Bl. John Paul II, said - “Be not afraid!”

Mark Shea wrote about crazy prophesies over a year ago on the Register: http://tinyurl.com/cmp2ep3.

“The itch to have the “inside track” on what is going on behind the curtain of this world is immensely powerful and a certain percentage of people are always trying to make an end run around the public revelation of the gospel in order to figure out the Hidden History of our Time.  It’s an impulse as old as gnosticism—because it is gnosticism.”

Mr. Akin,

    Another anonymous visionary, Mariamante, has already given her messages, published in a book “The Apostolate of Holy Motherhood” which was published by Mark Miravalle (sp?) of Steubenville—with Imprimatur.

    Pray the prayer to read before the messages; and pray the prayer of discernment.  Pray to the Holy Spirit before you read the messages.

Dick Mueller

Maria Divine Mercy-false prophetess.

Yes, I have read her stuff.

If I may post again, this is neo-Gnosticism. Some people think they are holier if they have an inside track to God which others do not.

To believe in anything not approved by the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church is to endanger one’s immortal soul. BTW, there have been statements from some clergy and bishops against Anne the Apostle. She is goofy as is Vasula Ryden, whose movment the CDF has warned against. There are too many of these ladies…I have about 25 posts on my blog against private revelations.

Sorry, Jimmy, that you have to take the heat here.

You are wrong about Maria.
She must remain anonymous as she will be killed otherwise.
Her role as an end-time prophet is different then prophets of years past in that her predictions are unfolding within a very short time of her writing them.
She makes no profit from her books sales. ALL money goes back into printing more books so her urgent messages to the world can be spread quickly.
Do not be quick to judge for your judgement against her will be used against you.
The Warning is valid and has been proclaimed since Sister Faustina wrote about it years ago.
She asks for nothing for herself, only prayers for others. She asked us to go to confession, to fast, to pray and to prepare ourselves spiritually and physically.
The scriptures ask us to do that so we would not be caught without oil for our lamps when the bridegroom comes for us.
You are foolish not to listen and foolish not to prepare.
I pray that you will read all of her messages and ask God for guidance and wisdom.
She does not lead a double life. She has had to give up working. She does not sit comfortably in her living room typing out lies that come into her head.
If she is wrong we have harmed no one with our prayers and preparations. BUT if she is right (and thousands and thousands believe she is)....woe to those who have not prepared. You will see the state of your soul and your criticism against Maria will strike many marks against you.
Be very very careful who you judge. God does not take this lightly.

Mr Akin still writes with the arrogance of a former protestant with no proof that MDM is false.
Pray with the humility of Our Blessed Mother for true discernment.
It’s articles like this that will stop all subscriptions to nc register.

Yes Joseph, I believe satan would tell us to pray the rosary etc. if at the end of it all he managed to cause a schism in the church. Divide and conquer.

These kinds of testimonials are always “iffy”. The only thing we can do is tread carefully. I commended Mr. Akin, for informing many of us who aren’t aware of Maria Divine Mercy, and for presenting his arguments, which are helpful because they keep us on our toes. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I’m very happy that I don’t put a lot of faith in private revelations.  I do think about and pray about them, but then I remember the passage from Mark’s Gospel: For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Too many of these visionaries tear down the leaders of the Church and put themselves and their visions and messages as the only truth.  Long ago, I decided that no matter what, I would follow the Pope.  And I plan to do just that.

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Those who don’t believe have not prayed nor have read every message. Don’t you guys see whats going on in the world. Jimmy makes the mistake of not praying before he came to his conclusion because if he did pray, he would have mentioned it in his poorly wriiten article. And he imposes his own views and interpretations. I have read every message minimum twice and prayed for discernment and believe 110% MDM is REAL. I encourage you all to make spare time and read every message and you’ll know where I am coming from..

“Those who don’t believe have not prayed nor have read every message.”  I think something similar is said about the Koran.  I know it is said about the Book of Mormon.  Great company for MDM.

Anybody that says that they are receiving messages form Mary that says she now wants to be known by a new title like, “the mother of salvation”, sends up red flags for me and I won’t read another word of theirs.
Ida Peerdeman in
Amsterdam said she had visions of Mary a few years back, who told the seer that she wanted from now on to be known, not any longer as Mary, but our lady of all nations.  Hogwash.

Our Blessed Mother has a name given her by God that she is known and loved and no one can change that, not even Satan himself. It is remarkable that these seers repeat the visions of Fatima and Lourdes, they never say anything new.  So why do we listen?
I read somewhere that God allows the devils to know about some future events, but mostly, they can be identified because they only predict disasters and terrible or negative events, they will never offer hope.  When a real prediction from God happens, it is always followed up with some form of hope, always.  That’s the difference.

Then afterward
  I will pour out my spirit on all flesh;
your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
  your old men shall dream dreams,
  and your young men shall see visions.
29 Even on the male and female slaves,
  in those days, I will pour out my spirit.
(Joel 2 v 28)

I started reading MDM’s “messages” in 2011 and the more I read the more concerned I became. Over here in Europe many follow MDM and think she is authentic. I don’t. In my opinion her “ministry” is very human, not divine. She probably means good, but what good is it to lead Catholics to believe their next pope was “the false prophet” and not obey him? She prepares her followers for her “remnant church” and tells them (in the name of God) that the sacraments won’t be valid in future unless they go to the “remnant church”. She claims the cardinals will elect the wrong man to be the next pope - so the Holy Spirit will be “on holidays”? And what about MDM’s claims in the name of Jesus to store seeds, buy gold, silver, candles etc. for the trial times? It contradicts the Lord’s authentic words from Scriptures (Matthew 6:25-28) not to worry about food, clothing etc. And for those who believe in anonymous letters (= MDM’s “messages”), if they do store food etc and if any catastrophy comes, they are to SHARE all their gold, food, seeds etc. If they don’t they oppose authentic teaching of Christ (Matthew 25,36-43) who says what we have done/not done to the least of our brothers we did it to Him. If any day of need comes, however, their stocks will soon be depleted, so what’s the use of storing gold etc? If only people wouldn’t go after MDM’s conspiration theories so much and treasure the true gifts of the Church: the sacraments, the teaching. 101 “crusade prayers” by MDM are nothing compared to the Eucharist. In fact, MDM is about to set up her own “church” by taking people from the Roman Catholic Church as she says the “false prophet” and the “antichrist” will take over. Sounds very similar to something a man said almost 500 years ago when he left the Catholic Church to found his own “church” - Martin Luther.

I add that St. Faustina, who did received visions and a warning from Jesus in the 1930’s, said that His Mercy is for now, in these end times and that after this will come a time of His Divine Justice, when there will be no more Mercy. 

That’s the most frightful prophesy of modern times since Fatima and perhaps equal to St. Padre Pio in his vision of a world wide chastisement, that darkness will last for 3 days and 2/3 of the worlds population will perish in before unheard of tidal waves, hurricanes, floods, volcanoes, and the whole of nature convulsing, before a time of renewal and peace will come.  A new heaven and a new earth will come.  The enemies of God will be destroyed, there will be many once bad Catholics who will return and there will be a rebirth and regeneration of the Holy Church.

It’s in older prophesies as well, the very same thing. Since some Catholics don’t know that only approved apparitions are worthy of belief, they can be led astray by unapproved visionaries.

Accept my apologies for the length.

Here’s the prayer to pray before reading the messages, if it’s not already posted above: “Jesus if this is really You, please flood my soul with the sign of Your love, so that I can recognise You for Who You are.  Do not let me be deceived by lies.  Show me instead Your mercy by opening my eyes to the truth and the path to Your New Paradise on earth.”  [8/15/11]

Also the prayers for discernment (see prayers #44 and #74 at the prayers link).

Consider the message of Gamaliel in Acts 5:34 ff., especially . . . “you may find yourselves fighting against God.”

God has revealed what we must do: pray for the souls who may die during the Warning.  The specific actions He reveals are 1.  Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet daily, at three o’clock and often.  2.  Pray the full Rosary daily ideally all (Joyful, Luminous, Sorrowful and Glorious) of the mysteries.  3.  Spend some quiet time with God every day, and read the Bible.  4.  Say the Litanies daily, ideally during Adoration of the Eucharist; and pray as many of the Crusade prayers as you can.  5.  Prepare yourself for the war against evil:—Go to Mass and Confession weekly;—Consecrate yourself to the Immaculate Heart of Mary;—Get your Seal of the Living God blessed by a priest and display it at home with a St. Benedict’s Cross;  Say this prayer daily;—Wear your scapular and display a cross;—Get some holy water and bless yourself from your holy water font at home;  Bless your home with holy water; —Say the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel.  6.  Tell people about God’s love for sinners and give them the Seal of God, the three Litanies of the Prayer Crusade, the Indulgence Prayer, and the Crusade Prayer for those in mortal sin.  Also give them the Divine Mercy chaplet and instructions for the Rosary, if you have them.  Call to Jesus your intentions at least one day a week.  7.  Pray aloud together in Jesus-to-Mankind prayer groups for the conversion of souls; have a priest sponsor your group; keep Holy Water and a Crucifix nearby.  Pray Prayer 96 before and after group prayer.

Sounds pretty Catholic to me.

chris awo
Please READ THE PASSAGE YOU JUST QUOTED. Note that it DOES NOT SAY, “Then afterward I will pour out my spirit on seven prophets; These seven prophets shall prophesy, and the last of them shall dream dreams.”  This passage cannot be the basis for the claim of a single, unique, most-important prophet, be that Maria Divine Mercy of Mohammed.

I would not rule her out entirely. I would think it would be ok to keep an eye out and see what happens. She could be referring to him being later ousted from Vatican City from where he is living in private, silent contemplation for some unforeseen reason? Keep him in your prayers.

To the defenders of this false-prophetess:
Mr. Akin makes it perfectly clear why listening to this woman is dangerous to one’s soul, in question number nine, above. If you believe the next Supreme Pontiff is the “False Prophet” mentioned in Saint John’s Apocalypse (16:13), you are in schism and have automatically excommunicated yourself.
Please, pray for this poor woman’s soul.
And, remember, the details mentioned in Christ’s prophecy in Matthew 24 (The Little Apocalypse) and John’s book of Revelation were about the complete destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (the harlot) in A.D. 70, for the most part.
Trying to figure out who is the antichrist, or, who are the two beasts, is a waste of time.
God Bless!

She also appears guilty of the Church condemned “millinarianism”...that Christ will reign upon earth for the 1000 years after this “second coming”.  Rather the Church believes that this coming era will be a Eucharistic era….with great/true devotion to Christ truly present in the Eucharist. 

How a Pope will lead the faithful remnant during the tribulation and at the same time be an anti-Pope is beyond me.  This “Maria” had better take a course in basic logic.  If there is a false “religious” leader attempting to “ape” as leader of an apostate church he will be acting for the new world “religion” and will be obvious to all true believers….esp. since he and his puppeteer will be persecuting them!

Get a life Jimmy, who are you to pass judgment on this women.

If there is one lie/deceit/discrepancy in any message from any seer, it is false.  Period.  And one will find plenty of discrepancies in the messages of MDM which go against the teachings of the Catholic Church.  God does not, nor will He ever lie.  Yet, satan will tell you 1000 truths, so he can slip in one lie.  By the time folks have read the messages and get hooked on them, the lies don’t seem to bother them much.  Also, isn’t there something in Canon Law which says that any writings like these need to be submitted to the local bishop for his approval before publishing?  Yet, messages are being published daily.  And when people who follow her refer to “unbelievers,” do you mean those who aren’t Catholic, or those who do not believe the “messages”?  The Catholic Faith is what is to be believed.  We are not bound to believe in any private apparition.  If one is praying and discerning, these things should be taken under consideration.

Jimmy—
Isn’t the Church protected from all errors in faith and morals, even when a false pope teaches from the Chair of Peter?  That teaching alone would render her messages totally false.

I have problems with these messages. First of all, Authentic messages never have the tone these do when it comes to believing them or not. Jesus knows His Church must authenticate, so that’s a biggie. Also obedience to one’s superiors, spiritual advisors.

Second is the “angel” claim. Humans are clearly not angels.

Third, the recent “message” regarding donations and such. Please…. Unheard of.

And yes, If they are from Satan, he often has included requests for the rosary to be prayed. If, indeed, the next Pope is NOT a bad one, he will have accomplished his will via installing pride and disobedience.

I have been reading the mssages of Maria Divine Mercy and believe they are truely from our Lord to prepare our souls for His Second Coming. She is NOT the only one speaking of this great event but MDM’s messages from Heaven go into the greatest detail. I have never been impressed with the Orthrodoxy of the National Catholic Reporter. When I think of the lousy Catholic education that the Diocese of Newark, NJ gave to their Catholic High Schools I realise that the Faith has been grossly watered down because of Apostasy within it. If the Catholic vote which is partialy responsible for the reelection of Obama, 4,000 babies every day being aborted and all the other nonsense going on doesn’t make you sit up in your chair and say God has to step in, then I bet a bolt from Heaven wouldn’t do it either and btw, that did happen on the Day of the Pope’s resignation.

The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ in English) founder in the Philippines, Felix Manalo, also claimed to be the 7th and final messenger. He DIED on April 12, 1963 and yet many follow this man-made church who teach half-truths and falsehoods on the Bible and constantly attacks the Catholic church today (current leader is grandson). False profits abound this age and I see it a perfectly good tactic of the evil one to use truth mixed with lie to create confusion. Using prayers to gain credibility? Yeah, I can see him doing that ... even to his own detriment. In the end, we all know who will triumph –– he does, too. Only thing is, he wants to take as many with him.

I say, stick with the Holy Church, stay with the approved practice, be obedient to Him and His representatives (as he calls His priests in The Divine Mercy in My Soul Diary by St. Faustina) in the sacraments and Trust in the Lord.

“I have never been impressed with the Orthrodoxy of the National Catholic Reporter.”  I agree, and Jimmy Akin probably would, too.  See http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/canon-lawyer-bishop-has-warned-national-catholic-reporter/.  However, THIS site is operated by the National Catholic REGISTER.  They are not the same.

Hi Dick, I think that the difference here IS the actual Imprimature. To my knowledge, this alleged seer has none. Anonymity doesn’t bode well for me, but that is not the clincher. I’ve lived in the buckle of the “Bible Belt” most of my life. Her “prophesies” sound much like Protestant interpretations of End Times. Those are very much out of step with the Cathecism, and teachings of the Magesterium. I am no foe to mysticism/prophesy. I believe that both are very real, and worthy of belief ONLY when approved by the Church. The Church is very slow on these matters for a reason. They must be judged through the lense of time to properly discern their validity and fruits. And to those who think Satan wouldn’t suggest that you pray, please think again. He twists the truth for his own end. The fact that she is alleging that a “false prophet” will hold the papacy is a RED FLAG. Christ promised to be with HIS Church. We are ALL sinners, after all, and in need of God’s mercy. Even bad popes have not been allowed to give false teachings/encyclicals. I would tread very carefully here. God’s blessings to you all.

Yes, the papal office would produce the false prophet, this is contained in the prophesy given to Daniel, ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. The evil one would stand in the holy place!

Thank you for this Jimmy!  I was just recently approached by someone pushing her site and I was wary.  I’m very glad to be forewarned!  God bless you.

There will be some real proof of the pudding shortly based on those prophecies. If the next man in the Vatican starts declaring heresies, such as support of women priests or approving of the homosexual lifestyles (etc), then what will you do? Any Catholic who is not aware of the great apostasy of the end times in which we live now is just like the Jew who didn’t accept the Messiah at the First Coming. That’s why Jesus said that He will return like a thief in the night. Stop snoozing.

Dear Jimmy, I disagree with you on many points about maria Divine Mercy. Just because you say it does not make it so. Allow me to relate why I believe she is the real McCoy.
AND if you are guilty of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit then you’ll regret this. Your article exudes self importance, I doubt you have one ounce of humility.

You stated:

1. Who is “Maria Divine Mercy”?

We don’t know.

God commanded his prophet Elijah: 1 Kings
2 And the word of the Lord came to him, saying: 3 Get thee hence, and go towards the east and hide thyself by the torrent of Carith, which is over against the Jordan, 4 And there thou shalt drink of the torrent: and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there. 5 So he went, and did according to the word of the Lord: and going, he dwelt by the torrent Carith, which is over against the Jordan. 6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening, and he drank of tile torrent. The Lord instructed his chosen prophet to hide himself.

2. What does she say about her own role in God’s plan?

She claims a rather startling role:

Maria says the messages are also being given to help prepare the world for the Second Coming of Christ which will follow The Warning. . . . Jimmy it takes God given faith to believe. Just because you do not recognize Maria does not give you the right to play a modern day Pharisees. Our Lord Jesus said; Matthew 23: 27 Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men’s bones, and of all filthiness. 28 So you also outwardly indeed appear to men just; but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
3. How Popular is Maria Divine Mercy?

Her FaceBook page—Jesus to Mankind—presently has more than 17,000 “Likes,” which is quite a substantial number.

She also promotes her message through a web site—www.TheWarningSecondComing.com—and she sells copies of her revelations in the form of books titled The Book of Truth (vol.s I & II).

Jimmy even the Holy Bible costs money to print and distribute. By faith alone I believe in God’s chosen prophet. These are Jesus’s words, his book.
4. What has Maria Divine Mercy said about Pope Benedict?

Maria hasn’t said anything Jimmy. She has told us: ‘I may be the writer but the words are his, our Lord AND Savior Jesus Christ.
5. What has she said about the next pope?

Same answer as 4 above Jimmy.
6. What does she claim about the future?

Maria makes no claims Jimmy, see answer 4.
7. What should we make of all this?

You should in all humbleness and humility get on your knees and pray to God AND thank him for giving us his holy word. You can also pray for discernment. Jeremiah 36:26 And the king commanded Jeremiel the son of Amelech, and Saraias the son of Ezriel, and Selemias the son of Abdeel, to take up Baruch the scribe, and Jeremias the prophet: but the Lord hid them. Jimmy many of God’s chosen prophets had to go into hiding…..you need to study your bible more. Maria Divine Mercy is obeying God’s word.
8. Are her prophecies reliable?
No. Jimmy AGAIN, just because you say it does not make it so. Many believe Maria Divine Mercy is God’s chosen prophet. You don’t have to believe, but when you go out of your way to bad mouth her and discredit her thats wrong.
9. Should Catholics give credence to Maria Divine Mercy?

Many different faiths AND Catholics alike believe in these messages of hope. To have a small minded, pompous, self important, faithless little man such as yourself attack these messages proves to me that Satan is alive and well on planet earth. Because he will do anything to stop God’s word from delivering his Children out of the bondage of sin.

It’s hard to know what to make of her. On one hand, the Pope’s resignation is a pretty dramatic event and she at least alluded to it if not predicted it. On the other hand, a number of the messages essentially deal with copyright issues and are quite self-serving. I can’t imagine God worrying about that—I’d think He’d want His message disseminated as widely as possible. 

There are a few possibilities: 1) She’s the real deal and we should know pretty soon as she makes some very specific predictions. 2) She’s a fraud out for self-gain and again, we’ll know soon enough if none of her predictions come to pass. 3) She’s out to intentionally undermine the Catholic Church by trying to create a schism within the Church by convincing everyone the next Pope is the anti-pope. 4) She’s mentally ill in which case the predictions will become wilder and wilder.

Sounds like God needs to confer with her on these matters—what a lively imagination. In school she must have made good grades in “creative writing class”.

Thank you Jimmy for calling this fraudulent prophetess out in some depth.  It might be in order to recall to “Catholic” readers that anyone who is voluntarily not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church, and not subject to the Holy Father will not be saved—this is dogma which has been solemnly defined three separate times now. 
From what I can make out, Maria Devine Mercy is calling on her followers to go into schism when the next pope is elected (because she knows in advance that he will be a false pope, or an anti-pope), and to follow her instead.  This is schism, pure and simple, and she will undoubtedly lead many poorly-catechized persons straight into Hell. 
Please remember, readers, that no private revelation is part of the deposit of faith of the Catholic church (the things which one must believe and follow and live by in order to be saved).  This woman is apparently acting on her own, is not submissive to her local ordinary (the bishop, archbishop or cardinal of her home diocese, wherever that might be), and is running a highly lucrative business, what with her on-line prophecies and books, etc.  Every legitimate prophet (or prophetess) whose private revelations have been Church-approved has been completely, 100% obedient and submissive to the direction of his/her spiritual director AND bishop.  They have ALL been well content to live in poverty, humility, obscurity and contempt (just like the Blessed Virgin Mary) for their entire lives. 
Frankly, I’m getting a little tired of these money-making traveling dog-and-pony shows.  I will remain in full communion with the Roman Catholic church, and the Holy Father, for the rest of my life, and all of these private prophets can go jump in the lake.

Hi Jimmy, I find it bewildering that a person with an obvious agenda of slander chooses only to focus upon a single date in their effort to disprove the messages? May 2016… The fact that very soon so much is predicted once the next pope arises didn’t come into question for you? Jimmy if you reject these messages you will also reject the coming financial crisis. You will reject the role of Freemasonry within our society which Popes as early as 1738 have been warning us about within their encyclicals. You would also reject the many Approved Marian Apparitions contained within a publication called “To My Priests, Our Lady’s Beloved Sons”.  You would also reject Our Lady of Fatima. You would also reject Lourdes… Jimmy, I can assure you, your wrong to assume you’ll have to wait till May 2016 to see if these messages are false! What will soon appear upon the seat of Peter is someone that the Secular world will love! The media will love him. Combine this with the downfall of economies, the start of immense wars and signs from Heaven, The Warning will level all deeply within the Truth of these messages :-)

A number of years ago, an elderly priest (since gone to his reward) gave a humorous definition of “Mysticism”.  It begins in “Mist”, centers on “I” and ends in “Schism”.
Jimmy, are the so-called seers of Medjugorge still claiming to have visions and locutions from the Blessed Virgin Mary?
Just asking.
TeaPot562

Poor God!  No one comes to mass anymore so He has to get everybody’s attention through the Internet!  Practically the whole world is addicted to Internet pornography, and no one at church is stating that is a mortal sin and that most souls go to hell because of sexual sins. I believe Our Blessed Mother told the children at Fatima that “souls fall into hell like SNOWFLAKES because of sexual sins.”  I would say, out of the Catholics that do attend mass, probably half of them voted for Obama.  Now that is one big mortal sin and no one seems to talk about the importance of that or, for that matter, even cares.  God is desperate to wake up souls, but no one reads the Bible.  It’s not “politically correct” to speak about God at school or in the workplace or town or anywhere else for that matter.  My friends that went to Catholic school won’t let their children go into a Catholic Church because they think a priest is going to molest them.  The Church is in and has been in a serious crisis and good Catholics need to stand their ground.  I have prayed many novenas concerning these messages and God keeps pointing to them as truthful.  I am a good Catholic and I follow Jesus but these messages just enhance what Jesus has already taught us, plus alerts us to the end times.  The Catholic Church will never be defeated because people are the Church, not the buildings.  There will always be practicing Catholics in the world no matter if we have a bad pope or not.  And there will always be prophets in the world….and you better believe that some are authentic.  Our world just can’t keep on moving with so much evil and sins that are constantly justified.

Please take a look at Maria Devine Mercy’s posting for Feb. 23, 2013 and you will see that she directly contradicts the gospel.  Apparently what she is promoting is a sort of uber-Gospel and Jesus has confided the entire revelation to her sole discretion?!
That’s another major problem with these bogus private revelations—they tend to take on a life of their own, to becomeo a sort of parallel Gospel, and then to supersede the true Gospel and the true Catholic faith.  This seems to be very much the case here—readers beware!

And yes of course as SCO Bishop has stated, there is so much scripture that one can reference to awaken the senses to what times in which we live in.  God’s word must come to pass, for His Word is perfect!  Private Revelation when use with Scripture is only to serve in support of it. MDM’s messages bring much prayer, much reparation. It calls to pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet Daily.  Do you pray these two prayers daily? The site denounces the greatest evil sources on the planet! Freemasonry.  Do you really think such a person could be in the public eye? Or even should be?  To those in prayer, to those who seek the truth, to those that see humanity on the brink of disaster, like no other generation that has gone before us in the level of sin and corruption, to these people, it is easy to recognise the voice of God when it is spoken.  Likewise, for these same people, it is easy to acknowledge the voice our Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God! :-) And the voice of God the Father! :-)  So Jimmy, you can either assess the tensions around the world, in governments, in Currency Wars, in religious circles, in arms trade, in underhanded “democratic” manoeuvres that have plagued the middle east and the West? Or you can await in ignorance on where all this is going and has been planned to go for over 100 years! Reference, Vision of Pope Leo XIII of 1884 which produced the St Michael the Archangel prayer.

Catherine, you have mis-quoted and mis-directed the purpose, intent and true meaning of that message.
And TeaPot562, which Priest? What faithful Catholic Priest would say that? Certainly a Protestant Minister would say that I’m certain, but not a Catholic one.
Ever heard of St. Hildegard of Bingen? She was made a Doctor of the Church by Pope Benedict XVI last year in September from memory. The truth is the Church is full of Mystics! :-)  So many to mention! Perhaps research Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, Blessed Catherine Anne Emmerich, Blessed Elena Aiello, St Faustina, Luisa Piccarreta of Corato, St Gemma Galgani, Blessed Alexandrina da Costa, St Padre Pio, St John Bocso, Fatima Children etc etc… So many to read about.
If a Baptised Catholic isn’t interested in reading about the above, you are denying yourself of what is to come! When read with Scripture and seeking the Warnings from our Beloved Mother Mary, you will be left in now doubt of the age we now live it!

I believe the messages given to MDM are truly from God Our Father, Jesus His Son, The Holy Spirit and Our Blessed Mother Mary.  One is free to follow messages of seers and visionaries in our Catholic faith.  One is free to not follow them as well.  I always cringe when I hear someone mock the messages.  Please ask yourself, what if YOU are wrong?  WHO are you mocking?  Be careful in your judgement, prayerfully discern before commenting.  Sometimes God doesn’t fit into the box you build.  If the New Testament taught us nothing else than how easily know-it-all people of faith can be blind to God’s truth, should cause us all to walk our faith walk with caution and watchful eyes.  It would be entirely wrong if Maria were calling herself these titles, she is not, God assigned them.  Believe or not, your choice.  Like I said, be careful with your public judgments.  Peace, Love and Joy of Christ be with you all.

Mr. Jimmy Akin,
May I just ask if you read all the messages from MDM, or you just did selective reading in order to push your agenda of going against this seer.Have you read the Crusade Prayers that God the Father, Jesus or Mama Mary has been giving us so that we can change for the better. Tell me, Sir,have you read the other messages of Mama Mary, such as Fatima,(church Approved), Garabandal or Medjugore? If you did, have you also considered this messages coming from a deceiver or from the evil side. but if you don’t then why do you try to brand MDM as one, when the same messages of conversion, prayer, Daily Mass, daily communion, go to weekly confession, pray the Rosary, not only 1 mystery but if possible ALL, pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet, Pray the Most Precious Blood, do the Way of the Cross, the Crusade Prayers for the conversion of all & for the reparations of sin. Encouraging to always be attune to the DIVINEWILL, if you think Mr. Akin that she is a false prophet that deceives people to do ALL these, then I’d rather be deceived, since because of all her messages , I have CHANGED,I know for a FACT, that I have been a changed Man, who has given priority to love my Saviour, Jesus CHRIST, Mama Mary more than I can ever imagine and AVOID SIN! THIS EFFECT of reading MDM’s , thewarningsecondcoming.com , and also Jesus said that these things like what your are doing will happen & guess what, We are praying for you, the REAL deceivers of the Catholic Faith!! FIAT VOLUNTAS TUA! PAX et BONUM!!

No prophet or divine person will remain anonymous or hidden from people. The pity is there are some who are gullible and they will believe all these. Setting date for the end itself is most incredible and worth rejection. All these false prophets in “my name” will misguide many.

There have been prophets all throughout history.  And you better believe that in this evil culture, we need them more than ever!  Don’t dismiss all the current prophets!  Pray for discernment!  Not all are authentic but some are.  Everyone thinks satan is trying to divide the Church through MDM.  Well, in case you all haven’t noticed, the Church is already divided.  I sit next to Catholics in the pews who have openly voted for Obama.  Most Catholics practice artifical birth control.  Many think women should become priests.  Many don’t care one way or the other if homosexuals marry.  Teenagers are Eucharistic Ministers.  Many Catholics receive Communion and then immediately leave the Church without a good reason.  People, not buildings and cathedrals, are the Church.  Perhaps, a much smaller Church of devout Catholics is best.

Dear Jimmy,
“Be on your guard, stand firm in the faith, be courageous, be strong. Your every act should be done with love.” 1 Corinthians 16:13-14
You have reported everything clearly and concisely and in charity and in truth.

The evil one whispers sweet words of “knowledge” to those who desire to be gods. Sadly, many who claim to be followers of this newest novelty in the line of endless “prophets” have fallen hard and will not listen to reason. One cannot have faith without reason nor reason without faith. I find no charity in the way some of these folks have addressed you when all you are doing is pointing out the facts.

Where she truly one sent from the Lord, she would be under a spiritual director in order to avoid error and confusion, two keys ploys of the devil. Putting oneself under spiritual direction requires humility, I wonder. Why hide? None of the approved visionaries did. If anything the first thing they did was go to Church and tell Father.

I am with you Jimmy, I will not abandon my faith nor what she teaches for the latest fad. The barque of Peter will not sink but will swim against the tide of false prophets and if the end is to come, rejoice all who believe, since our vindication is near! Be ready and stand firm as St. Peter and St. Paul would have us do!

I can’t believe how little it takes to center a religious cult around someone. I suppose L. Ron Hubbard is not a statistical anomaly, after all.

Can nobody see what she’s doing? She’s already calling the results of the papal conclave before it even began. No matter who is chosen, be it the holiest Cardinal in Rome, the “true believers” will know that he’s just a rotten Freemason ready to spring his devil trap on us all.

This is insane.

Are you ready to ditch the beloved Pope Benedict, who obviously prayed over his decision tremendously, and made a decision that he believed would be the best for the Church? If this supposed seer is right, then Benedict was just a useful tool for “preparing the stage” for the “false prophet”... and his pledge of obedience to the future pope is nothing but a future act of apostasy then?

Please think about the implications of what this woman is saying. They are *inherently* self-contradictory. Jesus *CANNOT* be saying those things to her, because if he was, then he’s not Jesus. Jesus (the Son of God) cannot both promise us that the gates of hell will not prevail, and then turn around and tell someone that they will. If he did, then he was never really Jesus. He could be anything else; maybe a clever space-alien telepathically channeling thoughts into her head, sure… but not the Divine Son of God and Savior of the World.

So does it really make sense to throw 2000 years of Catholic Tradition down the drain, to call Christ from the Gospels a liar, and to effectively consider Benedict XVI as either tragically stupid or hideously evil enough to have given up his position to the “false prophet”? And for what? What does this woman offer? Some inspiring words, and an innocent call to prayer and conversion? Is that sugar worth swallowing the entire poison?

For God’s sake (literally), do you not know that Satan comes as an angel of light? Did St. Paul just make that up for no reason, or did he understand something about mysticism after all? The same spirit is VERY capable to preach militant atheism, New Age baloney, as well as pious pseduo-Catholic babble. There’s no contradiction here at all, and all of you that are so sure that this woman is the “sure thing” would do well to aquatint yourselves with history of private revelations, and how many times they were not of God despite some very convincing (at the time) reasons to think they were.

My Holy Eucharist must still be received by you. You must not stop your daily Sacrifice, as it will not be you who will be forced to make this decision
Wednesday, February 27th, 2013 @ 03:30 pm

My dearly beloved daughter, the daily Masses will continue for some time and I urge all My followers to continue to attend them, as before.

My Holy Eucharist must still be received by you.  You must not stop your daily Sacrifice, as it will not be you who will be forced to make this decision. It will be declared to become a different kind of sacrifice to God and you will know, instantly, when it will happen, for the practice of the Holy Mass will be stopped by the false prophet. In the place of the Holy Mass will be a one-world pagan ritual and you, My beloved followers, blessed with the Gift of the Holy Spirit will recognized it, for what it will be.

You must never ever abandon the Church I gave to the world, which is based upon My Teachings, and the Sacrifice of My death on the Cross, presented to you with the most Sacred Gifts.

You, My beloved followers, are My Church. My beloved priests and clergy, blessed with the Gift of the Holy Spirit, will never forsake Me. Nor, will they forsake you.  And so, My Church will live on, as it can never die. The Church is My Body on earth, and therefore, can never be destroyed. Yet it will be crushed, tormented and discarded and then left in the wilderness to die. While every attempt to destroy every last morsel of life will be made by My enemies, My Church will rise again. But remember, it will never die, although it might appear this way.

My Church on earth will be reduced in size and will become, through no fault of its own, the remnant army.

My True Vicar, discarded, will fight to lead God’s children to the best of his ability. It will be I, Jesus Christ, who will guide you, lift you and deliver you from the evil, which will be forced upon you; an evil, which will come to an abrupt and terrible end, for all those who side with the antichrist and his slaves.

Your Jesus

God bless you People of God i hope in time God will reveal all his hidden mysteries!
Just be prepared for the changes ahead, be wise! God loves his Church and so all his children. He won’t abandon us.
I believe MDM and because of Jesus’ words i came back to church running and at this point, on the steps of Knowing God and his Church more(thanks to this messages). Because of this messages i came back to God and not just me but my family. It change me and it teaches me trust to Church and most especially to God. Test the spirit if it do Good on You so be it, but if destroys you walk away from it. But i guess it depends on our discernment so please pray before you judge. AS for me and my family we believe this messenger.

It is any wonder that the Church is in the mess it is in? Never heard of MDM but not surprised. Even though Jesus himself said that only the Father knew the date and time of the end times, the rapture/end times/second coming/ con(s)still continue. History is replete with them. Folks waste valuable time and hard earned money on false prophets but refuse to read any of the major Church documents, he authentic Catholic Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the History of the RCC and a wealth of other solid information. Reason? They don’t have time. Go figure. We should not be surprised in the least. After all don’t like your church, pastor, priest, Pope or religion? Not to worry! Just start your own and join the other 35,000+ denominations before you. By what or whose authority you say? Minor detail! Answer? Your Own Authority. What a country!  And it’s all tax deductible and not for profit. And to think people complain about the tax code. They just don’t know how to use it. 5 will get you 10 MDM knows it well.

I thank God for people like you Jimmy, who bring out the truth. I did have my doubts too. We are with you Jimmy, u will always be in our prayers. God Bless You.

I think I’ll go to bed now. I’m tired. Now I lay me down to sleep. I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take. Good night Jimmy and good night Mrs Calabash, where ever you are.

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Jimmy, I really love reading your articles.  It makes me reaffirm: Jesus I trust in YOU.  I remember our Lord saying, (paraphrasing) that only the Father knows the day and the hour.  So it is always best to go to Reconciliation.  To receive Holy Communion.  To reflect and turn to God.  And to try not to take too literally these National-Enquirer-like headlines zipping wildly through chain email or on facebook. 

It is Tuesday; time for the Sorrowful Mysteries on our Rosary.  Pray for our next Holy Father. 
May God bless our Holy Catholic Church. 

MDM is not an authentic prophet.. if she is really true, she should have the courage and faith to expose all these messages to the Catholic faithfuls in public. What she is doing is of personal gain and has never exemplified a true character of an apostle. Anonymity just for safety reason can never be a teaching coming from God as Christ has died just to proclaim the truth. As St. Escriva has stressed out: “Don’t be afraid of the truth, even though the truth may mean your death.”

So, her disciples can defend her work in no other way than by impugning Mr. Akin’s faith, prayer life and intentions. Nothing he said was mocking or flip, yet it has been repeatedly characterized as such by those with no other rational defense of their “prophet”.

Do you know what I see? A lonely housewife who created an internet identity for herself to feel important. She’s probably lonely and feels insignificant, so she created for herself a world in which she is the “seventh angel”. She probably meant well to begin with, and is clearly trying to adhere in some small way to her faith of origin. Creating this kind of character has literary precedent (the industry term is “Mary Sue”- creating a fictional version of yourself where you are better, prettier, smarter, more powerul, etc.) But it doesn’t make her writing any more true than that of other “Mary Sue” characters like Bella Swan.

To those of you following her religiously, remeber that your faith needs a firm grounding in reason, as well. No one on this board has defended her by appealing to reason, just blind faith. Try formulating a reasonable defense of your idol before foisting her on the Church at large.

Bless you all.

If we say the Church is not in serious crisis, now, we are deceiving ourselves. Nobody needs a prophet to know the enormous nature of the task facing the soon to be elected pope. The vatileaks scandal on its own is enough prophecy.
Every catholic who loves the church should be in serious prayer mode so that the Lord Jesus may intervene in the conclave. Failing this dont be surprised if a gay and sexually active Pope is elected. Dont be surprised if seriously embarrasssing materials turns up on youtube.
Woe betide us if such a day should ever dawn.
Prophecy or no prophecy the important thing is to pray

I don’t need a prophet to tell me doom is coming upon the world…1.  40 years of tens of millions of aborted babies and catholic women freely taking birth control..2.  the moral depravity of same-sex abomination being spread throughout the world as a right an a equal to marriage between a man and a women..3. divorce being freely accepted worldwide.. I SURE DON’T NEED A REVELATION TO KNOW THAT SINCE THE MINDS OF THE WORLD FULL AND BLINDED BY SIN WILL NOT BE CHANGED BY REASON, THEN GOD HIMSELF WILL DIRECTLY INTERVENE AND BRING SO MUCH PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION UPON THE WORLD TO BRING US BACK TO HIS COMMANDMENTS…as someone mentioned above, in St. Faustinas diary…Gods Mercy is now then comes Gods JUSTICE. Its coming people, first to the Church and then to the entire world

Jimmy,

Couple comments on your quick dismissive. Some if not all have been made
1) Were the Angels in Sodom made known as Angels of God right away?
2) Regarding Malachy are not all Popes technically “Peter the Roman” as they sit in the Chair of Peter?
3)Is not Pope Benedict accused by many of covering up the sex abuse cases?
4)A plot to force out does not necessarily mean an overt action. Subtle psychological warfare may all that is need. The old bug in the ear comes to mine. How many times does a 85 year old man need to hear things like, “this is a job for a younger man?” or “you should take it easy and let some one else do this or that?” until it becomes natural and part of their being. Remeber Satan’s lies are subtle.
5)Prophets are never appreciated at home?
6)As for millenarian points you maybe on to something but we do not know the time and the place.

I will not be so quick to dismiss, or accept. LarryW2LJ has the best post pointing to Fr. Z’s blog http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/03/omens-and-portents-and-signs-oh-my/

Peace and All Good

Thanks Mr. Akin for your research into this alleged visionary. As the webmaster for the “Mystics of the Church” website (mysticsofthechurch.com), I have spent a good number of years studying the lives of visionaries and mystics throughout the world and there are key elements or ‘hallmarks’ that one will always find with *authentic* (read: Church approved) mystics and visionaries. The first and foremost indicator of authenticity is obedience to the legitimate authority of the Church. On her website it is stated “At present Maria is receiving spiritual guidance from the Catholic Church.” Problem is, not only does “Maria Divine Mercy” not identify herself and state who she is, but neither has the alleged person of whom she is receiving spiritual guidance from come forth openly to assert who he (presumably a priest?)is. This anonymity on the part of both Maria Divine Mercy and her alleged spiritual director is very much a red flag. Scripture tells us that the demon always prefers to work in in the darkness, in a hidden manner, while God always works openly, in the light.
All alleged private revelations should always be submitted first to the Church through a representative of the Church (read: priest), and it is up to the prieast to determine whether each of the alleged messages on an individual basis are to be disseminated, or not. And because those involved are anonymous, it is very questionable and unclear whether this process is occurring in regards to the messages of Maria Divine Mercy.
In researching the lives of the Mystics of the church for the website, thusfar I have never come across a single case in the history of the Church where God told a mystic/visionary to remain anonymous. All of the prophets in the Old Testament always identified themselves, and likewise has the Mystic-Saints throughout the history of the Church.
There are other red flags in regards to discernement of this alleged visionary, but I believe your article has sufficiently pointed out enough concerns which should be enough to caution anyone who is interested in these alleged messages.
In the end, it is only the local Bishop who has the authority to judge the authenticity of this visionary and her alleged messages—the question then is, given that she has chosen to remain anonymous, and likewise her spiritual director, it is highly questionable whether her bishop is even aware of who she is, and her alleged mission as the “7th Angel” or “7th messenger”. Thus while it cannot be formally stated that the messages of Maria Divine Mercy are not authentic, one can be very aware that there is sufficient cause for concern in regards to the prophesies of Maria Divine Mercy, and that Catholics should be very, very cautious and prudent in discerning these alleged messages.
Glenn Dallaire from www.mysticsofthechurch.com

I like how people seem so defensive of their precious, unproven, private revelations. It only takes one slither of untruth to make it not of God, just one. The devil can tell you to pray the rosary, go to daily Mass, fast 90% of the year, and pray to end to abortion. He can tell you to do all of that, and he will, if he can get you to accept just ONE small lie against the Church. One. With human beings, I can accept a degree of error. Nobody is perfect. But if somebody is claiming to be a visionary, their messages need to be 100% in line with Church teaching. There is no room for error. Teaching that the pope can preach heresy is against Catholic teaching. Setting end dates for the world is against Catholic teaching. And certainly creating distrust of a validly elected pope is very much against Church teaching. People want Mr. Akin to read all of MDM’s messages. Here’s the problem with that. If I read just ONE message and find just ONE error, I know she is not a true prophet. Burying errors in stuff we should already know doesn’t make the errors untrue. I find it troubling how people are so quick to defend unproven “visionaries” and act like it’s okay to have some errors because the visionary says some true things. God hasn’t the slightest trace of untruth in his messages. If there’s even one little thing that goes against the Church, it is not of God. And MDM is well past her limit. I don’t need to read it all, because if she was truly a legitimate visionary from God, there wouldn’t be even the slightest error in anything she says.

RE: chris awo on Tuesday, Mar 5, 2013 8:12 AM (EST):

INSIGHTFUL :
Afterall the Cardinal from Scotland could have been elected the next Pope !!!!!

If we say the Church is not in serious crisis, now, we are deceiving ourselves. Nobody needs a prophet to know the enormous nature of the task facing the soon to be elected pope. The vatileaks scandal on its own is enough prophecy.
Every catholic who loves the church should be in serious prayer mode so that the Lord Jesus may intervene in the conclave. Failing this dont be surprised if a gay and sexually active Pope is elected. Dont be surprised if seriously embarrasssing materials turns up on youtube.
Woe betide us if such a day should ever dawn.
Prophecy or no prophecy the important thing is to pray

RE: chris awo on Tuesday, Mar 5, 2013 8:12 AM (EST):

INSIGHTFUL : Afterall the Cardinal from Scotland could have been elected the next Pope.

If we say the Church is not in serious crisis, now, we are deceiving ourselves. Nobody needs a prophet to know the enormous nature of the task facing the soon to be elected pope. The vatileaks scandal on its own is enough prophecy.
Every catholic who loves the church should be in serious prayer mode so that the Lord Jesus may intervene in the conclave. Failing this dont be surprised if a gay and sexually active Pope is elected. Dont be surprised if seriously embarrasssing materials turns up on youtube.
Woe betide us if such a day should ever dawn.
Prophecy or no prophecy the important thing is to pray

I have noticed that anytime one questions a “seer” they are attacked for disbelief.To accuse them of being false—seems to be fighting words and out come the avengers.  HOWEVER—we do not have to believe in “seers”—at all—nor for that matter even Fatima, Lourdes, etc. Our Lord was the fulfillment of prophesies, plus we have the Bible, and our Catholic religion that has given us all we need to gain our salvation—isn’t that what it is all about?
“Seers” are not going to aid in this quest.  So give it a rest people and turn to your Mass, confession, the Eucharist and rosary. End of story!

@JJ: “It only takes one slither of untruth to make it not of God, just one.”  Actually, that going a bit too far.  See an excellent chapter on this subject by Fr. Most (http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getchap.cfm?WorkNum=213&ChapNum=23), particularly the following: “Thus we see that the Church does not give us an absolute guarantee of the divine origin of any private revelation. Even in those approved by the Church, some error (non-heretical) may have crept in because the visionary misunderstood or misinterpreted it or even, unconsciously, embroidered the facts.”  However, when we have an anonymous personality on the Internet telling people to neither respect nor obey the next Pope, and people who call themselves Catholic falling for this hook, line, and sinker, going so far as to say that anyone who ignores this Internet personality is making an error comparable to a 1st-century Jew not recognizing the Messiah—then it is clear we are NOT dealing with anything from God.

@Howard: All the more reason to not get too wrapped up in private revelation, then. It seems today, so many seem to make the private revelation their religion. It’s a scary trap that many Catholics seem to be falling for.

@JJ:  Private revelation has its place.  Right now I’m wearing both a brown scapular and a miraculous medal, and both of those come from approved private revelations.  But private revelation is not new public revelation.  If any would-be prophet claims that his or her messages supersede Luke 10:16, in which Jesus said to the Apostles (and their successors), “He who hears you hears Me,” it is a false message that will never be approved.

I am not anti-private revelation at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. I agree. It does have it’s place. I just feel that lately, many people are making the actual private revelation their religion over Catholicism. These seers are being treated as if their claims overrides long-standing Church teachings. Not only that, but they seem to get very upset when they are questioned on it. (look at what Jimmy Akin has been called here) I believe in the approved private revelations. So I am not at all anti-private revelation. I just feel we need to keep it in it’s proper place. With several apparitions lately, it’s feeling more and more like it’s creating new protestant sects (ie Bayside, thewarning) that still masquerade as Catholic. It’s scary that this seer has already set up this next pope to not be trusted by all of her followers. I think the very fact that people have said that they follow “her” is a red flag right there. It’s truly troubling. Private revelation is a great thing to draw us closer to the faith, but it seems like some people want to try and use it to make us doubt it.

To the surprising amount of commenters on here who believe in these revelations, I have this for you to ponder.  If you truly believe the words of this “Maria Divine Mercy,” you believe that the next pope will be the “anti-pope.”  This means that no matter how saintly, conservative, and JPII/Benedict may seems you are obligated to to dislike him and refuse to follow his teachings, if only on principle.  Are you up to challenge?

Try reading the messages yourself.  See if they cause you to love God more and to help you to live life without sin.

If in the end the messages are proven as not coming from God, but you have changed your life as a result of them you will not be penalized for reading them.

As for Benedict being the last Pope, you need to pray for God to give you an understanding on whether that is the case.  You should also watch for potential signs and watch the fruits of the new pontificate (if there is one…) Changes to watch for would be the change to how the sacraments are presented.

Mr Aikin should be careful about making hasty judgments.

God Bless You All!

Perhaps the most preposterous part of this false prophetess’ website is that she has a section entitled “False Prophets”.
Physician, heal thyself.

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Jesus; I call on humanity to prepare for My Great Mercy. Those of you with a humble heart and a purity of soul, I call upon you to pray for the souls of those who will die during The Warning.

How they need your prayers.

I will pray for all of you who insult Maria Divine Mercy. When you speak negatively against her, you have all spoken against our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. “Forgive them Father for they no not what they do” No human could write these messages. Jesus speaks to her, they are His words not hers. Ask for forgivness, pray and fast. Especially you Jimmy. Why do people place all thier trust on humans and not in God? Why? Look at the Church today, What a farce. Vatican II has corrupted the church The Body of Christ. The only true church is the Traditional Catholic Mass (The Latin Rite FSSP) The way it was meant. But most people today have probably never entered its doors. Educate yourselves, again especially you Jimmy. Most prophets were insulted in thier days. Look at the apostles. John was the only one that stayed with Jesus to the end, caring for our Blessed Mother. All the other apostles abandoned Him. This is how I see all of you who are abandoning Him now with your words and scorn. You may love Him, but you are abandoning Him. As God has said “Wipe the cobwebs off your eyes” Wake up and look at all the signs around you. Prepare the way for the Lord, repent before it is too late, rejoice for He is near.

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THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION and the Office of the Holy Father the Pope

INTRODUCTION

The phrase, ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION is not yet common among Christians and not a regular word among Catholics. It appears in the apocalyptic writings of Daniel and Revelations and to point out its importance and prominence in the events leading up to the Second Coming, Christ makes reference to it in the Gospels. While this term may not be a familiar one to the modern day Christian, it made good impression to the Jewish audience who were accustomed to reading the Torah. This opacity can leave the modern reader troubled when they read what it says about the abomination of desolation: Matthew 24:15-16 — ‘So when you see the abomination of desolation… then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.’ These urgent survival instructions Jesus gave for end time believers are of course difficult to follow when you have no concept of what you’re supposed to be watching for! Naturally, this ignorance makes it easy for Christians to entertain very diverse theories for what the abomination is; based in either the past or future. For example, one historical theory is that the abomination of desolation is the Dome of the Rock finished on the Temple Mount in 691 AD. Preterists believe the abomination happened when the Roman general Pompey conquered the city and entered the Holy of Holies (where only the Aaronic high priest was allowed) before they destroyed the temple in 70 AD. Others think Antiochus IV Epiphanes completely fulfilled the abomination after he violated the temple in 167 BC in the time of the Maccabees. Of course, there is also the “futurist” perspective that the abomination relates to the work of the end time Beast or “Antichrist.”

Fortunately, there are several clues in Scripture about the abomination of desolation. When you look at them all together, it becomes possible to an average reader to understand the whole phenomena. More specifically in the Bible it speaks about the coming Abomination of Desolation in the books of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation.

Daniel 11:31-32: His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will be strong and take action.————————————————————————————————————————————————————————Matthew 24:14 And this gospel (message) of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whose readeth, let him understand:) 24:16 Then let him which be in Judea flee into the mountains

————————————————————————————————————————————————————————Revelation 13:11-15: Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12: He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13: And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14: Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15: He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

This Abomination of Desolation ‘stands in the holy place.’ ’ The rest of the passage is urging people to run to safety quickly because a time of great tribulation and affliction is about to begin, something so bad, something the world has never experienced before and after this time, would never experience again. . Here are some clues from the scripture which would help us discern what the “abomination of desolation” is all about. LOCATION OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION Where does the abomination occur? Matthew 24:15-16 — ‘So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE… The account of the Book of Daniel as quoted by Christ in the Gospel of Mathew suggests that the location where the abomination of desolation occurs would be a holy place; a Temple, perhaps a Church. The term “holy place” might also suggest a religious denomination or followership. Wherever it is, it would be a “holy place,” a place where an abomination “ought not occur”. Mark confirms this: Mark 13:14 — But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. As mentioned above, there are rules specified in Moses’ Law about what is allowed in the temple. Unless something is a holy object (like the ark of the covenant) or a holy person (like a priest), it “ought not be” in the temple

Now notice the admonishment in verse 24:15 (whose readeth, let him understand). In other words, if the holy place were ‘the Jewish temple’ then why the admonishment? Everyone would know that’s what the passage is referring to, but the real meaning is hidden, that’s why it admonishes the reader to ‘understand’ what is meant by ‘holy place’ because it’s not the “Jewish temple.”

NATURE OF THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION

We are told that the “abomination of desolation” would STAND in the holy place or where it not ought to stand. What we can infer from the above verses from the Gospels is that whatever the abomination is, it is something that is visible or something people will “see” and also something that can be said to be “standing.” Since seeing it is a sign, the implication is that the abomination becomes visible suddenly. It would not be a secret affair, it would not be hidden but would happen under the full glare of all; it would be official.

WHAT WOULD THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION RESULT TO? Daniel 11:31-32: His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will be strong and take action. Desecration of the Temple The abomination first of all would result to desecration of the “temple fortress.” When something or someone that is not holy enters a holy place, e.g., a sanctuary, it results to desecration. Also, when an abominable act occurs in the temple, it results to desecration. Such abominable act as Idol worship, murder or fornication when perpetrated in the Holy place desecrates it and renders it desolate. Although we are still trying to arrive at what abomination of desolation is, it is clear from what we have learnt so far that it will be an unprecedented event. To help with that, let us find out what “abomination” mean to the people of the Old Testament. The word translated ‘abomination’ in Hebrew is shiqqus. It is heavily associated with idolatrous practices as the Theological Workbook of the Old Testament explains: shiqqus. Detestable thing, idol. This noun is always used in connection with idolatrous practices, either referring to the idols themselves as being abhorrent and detestable in God’s sight, or to something associated with the idolatrous ritual. Idols generally are referred to as an abomination (Jeremiah 16:18; Ezekiel 5:11; Ezekiel 7:20; 2 Chron. 15:8, etc). Not only are the idols an abomination, but they that worship them ‘become detestable like that which they love’ (Hosea 9:10), for they identify themselves with the idols. Idol Worship in the “Holy Place” As it happens, there is an idol of worship featured prominently in Revelation in connection with the Antichrist. However, you may not have ever recognized it as such due to the slightly different terminology used: Revelation 13:14-15 — 14 He [the “False Prophet”] deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that he is permitted to perform on behalf of the beast [the “Antichrist”], telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who had the sword wound and yet lived. An image is a likeness or representation of something. When it comes to false gods like Zeus, Baal or the Antichrist, it typically refers to a statue. But this is more than a statue. The “image” of the Antichrist made by the False Prophet for all to worship has a “spirit” with or in it that enables it to speak!: Revelation 13:15 — He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Corrupting Those Who Act Wickedly Towards the Covenant What is the covenant? There are several covenants throughout the Bible, so how do we know which one this is? Throughout chapter 11 of the Book of Daniel it speaks of his hatred of the ‘holy covenant.” This isn’t some political treaty between Israel and the Jews as portrayed by some school of thoughts, the Bible doesn’t say anything about it being a political treaty or legislation that is referred to in fact it makes clear that it is a religious covenant by describing it as sacred and holy. The Eucharist is the Covenant! In his First Epistle to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 11:23-25) Paul the Apostle gives the earliest recorded description of Jesus’ Last Supper: “The Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, ‘This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me’.” The synoptic gospels, Mark 14:22-25, Matthew 26:26-29, Luke 22:13-20, depict Jesus as presiding over the Last Supper. References to Jesus’ body and blood foreshadow his crucifixion, and he identifies them as a new covenant. Pay close attention to the word of consecration of the Eucharist, the words of Jesus Himself: “…and as they were eating, Jesus took bread and blessed it, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, Take, eat, this is my body. And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, Drink you all of it: For this is My Blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sin. (Mathew 26: 26-28) Satan hates the “holy covenant” and in particular the people of the covenant. The term “holy” means sacred, covenant means divine ordinance with signs or pledges. It is God’s covenant with man that this ‘beast’ hates, and especially the people who are under it. Daniel 11:32 With flattery he will corrupt those who act wickedly toward the covenant… This passage tells us that those who participate in the abuse of the covenant (Eucharist) would be deceived (corrupted) with earthly goods: wealth, power, ability to do miracles, special privileges, etc. This would serve as an incentive and may encourage others to join in the act. Verses 34 tells us that “many would cleave to their flattery” (join in the abuse so as to enjoy the privileges attached to it) Abolition of the Daily Sacrifice What is the Daily Sacrifice? Before the coming of Christ, sacrifices of animals were offered to God as sin offerings for the remission of sin. Thought inadequate and sometimes not pleasing to God, this practice was common among the people of Israel. In the New Testament however, Christ became the sacrificial lamb which was offered once and for all, a wholesome sacrifice. With this notion of Christ sacrificing Himself once and for all, other denominations order than the Catholic Church misunderstood the concept while maintaining that sacrifice is no longer needed, thereby neglecting the exhortation of Christ who commanded that we celebrate a memorial of His sacrifice on the cross; the memorial in itself being a re-enactment of the same sacrifice on Calvary and as such a sacrifice in itself. Matthew 26:26-30 - While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you,for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you in the kingdom of my Father.” Then, after singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. The perpetuity of the sacrifice is expressed in Malachi 1:11 - “For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations; And everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering; For great is my name among the nations, says the LORD of hosts.” This is a prophecy of a pure offering that will be offered in every place from the rising of the sun to its setting. Thus, there will be only one sacrifice, but it will be offered in many places around the world. This prophecy is fulfilled only by the Catholic Church in the celebration of Masses around the world, where the sacrifice of Christ which is “in act” is offered for our salvation. The Catholic Church has always maintained that the Holy Mass is a sacrifice and not mere service, a position which has been at variance with other Christian denominations that believe that sacrifices are no longer required because Christ died once and for all. The Holy Mass is not different from the Sacrifice at Calvary, it is a memorial and as such, a re-enactment of Christ’s supreme sacrifice at Calvary. Thus, the daily sacrifice that would be abolished is non-other than the Sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist which is celebrated daily in most Catholic Churches and Chapels around the world. Now that we have established that the “daily sacrifice” which would be abolished in indeed the sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist, we move to the next point: Who does the abolition? We have been told that he who would abolish the daily sacrifice would not do it from outside but from within. He would “stand at the holy place,” a place he “ought not to stand” in the first place. The antagonist who is known as the “False Prophet” would be in a position of authority, and would have the administrative power to determine the trend of worship of the people. The book of Revelation makes it clear that the future Antichrist will be aided by this individual known as the False Prophet. He is the man who helps to convince the world that the Antichrist is worthy and deserving of worship, and ultimately it is he who enforces this worship on penalty of death. The bible also makes the provocative implication that the False Prophet may actually claim to be Jesus of Nazareth, and the prophet Daniel tells us that this powerful spiritual leader will come from Rome Let’s look at the Book of Revelation Revelation 13:11-15: Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

The False Prophet’s description in Revelation 13:11 is described as having two horns “like a lamb…” What does it mean to be like a lamb? The metaphor of a “Lamb” is used twenty-eight times throughout the book of Revelation. It is used almost exclusively, twenty-seven of these times in fact, as a reference to the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. The single instance where the term “Lamb” is not used in connection with Jesus Christ is here in Revelation 13 in reference to the False Prophet. The False Prophet appears like a lamb, yet he speaks like a dragon. When the term “lamb” is used to describe a person, it means that the individual is holy; Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God. Also, “lamb” or “sheep” is used to describe priests and pastors of souls. When the Bible makes reference to wolves in sheep’s clothing it speaks about those who claim to be true prophets and puts up false appearance but inwardly, they are full of evil and deceit. Thus, if the False Prophet is described as having two horns like a lamb who exercised some authority it could mean that he may be a Bishop or even the Pope. Another point is that by referring to him as the “false” prophet the bible is telling us that the most important characteristic is that he is, through and through, FALSE. This would be especially true were he to make the stupendous claim to actually be Jesus of Nazareth. His career would be most profoundly characterized by it’s falsity. Conclusion From this little write-up, we now understand the nature of the “Abomination of Desolation.” Firstly, we learn that it would be within the “Holy Place” which translates to a church. Whatever it is, be it an event, a person or an act, it would be within the “Holy Place.” Secondly, it would result in the abolition of the daily sacrifice: stoppage of the Holy Mass. Thirdly, it would bring about deception or corruption of those who abuse (act wickedly against) the covenant (Eucharist). Following from the deduction that the “Abomination of Desolation would occur within (not outside) the “Holy Place” and it would result among other things, the abolition of the daily sacrifice which we understand to be the daily masses celebrated around the world, then, the question is: who has power within the church to “abolish,” “stop” or “alter” the daily sacrifice (Holy Mass)? From available information on Vatican II, Pope Paul VI sanctioned the “reformation” of the Holy Mass, some things which were previously allowed in the Old Mass were “abolished” and new things were introduced. Upon the completion of the reformation, the Pope approved the new Mass in place of the Old. From the foregoing, there is no doubt that the Pope possesses the power and authority to “alter” or “abolish” the Holy Sacrifice or at least, some aspect of it. Abolition of the daily sacrifice does not exactly mean the abolition of the entire Mass. What qualifies the Mass as a sacrifice is the Liturgy of the Eucharist and if that is tampered with, the Holy Mass becomes an ordinary service which may become displeasing to God. For consecration to be valid, three conditions must be met: 1. There must be a validly ordained priest 2. Form (word of the consecration, exact word of Christ during the last supper) 3. Matter (Host and altar wine) It follows that anybody other than a validly ordained priest cannot offer up the sacrifice of the Eucharist. A Pentecostal Pastor or a woman cannot offer up the sacrifice of the Eucharist, it would be an abomination to do so. The word spoken during consecration are the exact words spoken by our Lord Jesus Christ during the Last Supper, the celebrating priest MUST use those words for transubstantiation to occur. Alteration of the word of consecration would result in an invalid consecration on the part of the priest. This is because, it is Christ Himself who does the consecration and as such it is His words that make the consecration valid and not that of the priest. Furthermore, only the approved host and wine would be valid for the celebration of the Holy Eucharist. This means that fruit juice, table wine or beer would not become the blood of Christ even if a validly ordained priest consecrates them. The wine MUST be an altar wine from the fruit of the vine. Also, if any other bread is used other than the unleavened bread (host), the consecration would be invalid. Thus, the said “abolition” of the daily sacrifice may be subtle and may escape the notice of an average catholic, this is because tampering with the form or matter of the Eucharistic consecration may not be a huge alteration but it would be enough to render the
whole celebration of the Mass invalid, thereby accomplishing the decide of the abolition of the daily sacrifice.

This work is not a product of research or intellect, rather, of an infused knowledge from the Holy Spirit, thus, I claim no credit . I hope it would help the reader understand the mysteries of the end time and the prophesy that a “Pope” would become the “False Prophet”—- SCO BISHOP

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I AM A CATHOLIC CONVERT, FORMER WALL STREETER.

99% OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS BOARD ARE FRIGHTENING TO ME; SO MANY SOULS WHO APPEAR TO HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA WHAT’S GOING ON NOW, OR DIVINE INSPIRATION.

GLOBAL FINANCIAL MARKETS ARE IN HOPELESS SHAPE, AND ARE ABOUT TO COLLAPSE.

FORGET ABOUT YOUR MONEY AND PRIDE PEOPLE, IT WILL ALL BE WORTHLESS SOON.

THE MDM MESSAGES ARE 100% TRUE.  PERIOD.  ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS IN GRAVE DANGER OF UNFORGIVABLE MORTAL SIN, BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

THE WOMAN IN IRELAND WHO IS SIMPLY POSTING MESSAGES IS NOT CAPABLE OF WRITING THESE WORDS ON HER OWN, NOR IS ANY HUMAN BEING.  I’VE READ OVER 15,000 PAGES OF MESSAGES RECEIVED BY CHURCH APPROVED SAINTS AND THE LIKE, ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW THE TRINITY SPEAKS WILL RECOGNIZE THEIR VOICE.  IF YOU DON’T RECOGNIZE THE VOICE OF JESUS AND THE OTHERS, BE SILENT, FOR YOUR SAKE.

Said it before; and I’ll say it again.
I don’t know if these revelations are true or not. In the end, it really doesn’t matter IF you’re a true practising Catholic.  Do what Father Z says - Go to Mass, go to Confession, receive the Sacraments worthily and often, love God and neighbor, use sacramentals, perform works of Mercy, say the Rosary and pray A LOT.  Trust in the Lord and you’re covered!

SCO bishop…..I believe the abomination of desolation is when the Catholic Church will be forced to marry same-sex sodomites due to laws that will be passed by the government as time goes on. When this depravity is done in the sanctuary of the Catholic Church…this abomination of desolation…I believe God will strike society for this filth in His Church when this is done

I follow these messages and know that they are true. No message that promotes prayer esp. the Rosary, and Mercy Chaplet, that says to frequent the sacraments, Holy Mass, confession could be false. But when these events DO HAPPEN you then will believe and be grateful for having been informed. The fact that you and soo many others spend so much time trying to disprove them in itself proves these to be true, for if they weren’t you’d ignore them and they would disappear on there own. our Lord has already said, these weren’t going to be excepted even condemned but then so were st Faustina and the Divine Mercy messages for a long time.
For those reading this, try reading the messages for yourself and make up your own mind instead of hearing what anyone else has to say. First pray to the Holy Spirit and ask for enlightenment as to the truth behind these messages.

Back in the 1970’s, I knew folks in an SSPX-type group who thought Pope Paul had been abducted & an imposter put in his place.They had recent photos of him which supposedly showed the pope-switch.In one photo, his earlobes hung down lower than in a previous likeness.When I pointed out that was a normal effect of aging, they ignored my comment.
What was really annoying was that they went about visiting Catholics in the local nursing home, spreading this baloney to a captive audience.

You said the fact that a date was given proves them false, sorry but your misinformed. No dates are given, before December 22 the only thing we were told was that the tribulation would begin at the end of the year, AFTER December 22 we were told that it had started on that date. But NO other dates are ever given. If you read these messages you’d know our Lord tells us not to ask Him for dates and times, He can’t tell us those things. 
For example :  “Be careful, My daughter, when referring to dates of the prophecies given to you. If I say months that could be anytime within a year. Never confuse human interpretation with those of the timelines given to you by Me. I have not given you any specific dates for events only guidelines. These prophecies will take place but only by the hand of My Eternal Father.” also
“Do not publish dates. Do not ask how the future will turn out for people who make demands of you. Fortune telling does not come from Me. The only future I reveal is connected with the spiritual welfare of My children.

Thanks Jimmy, SPOT ON!

God bless her she’s not the first and certainly won’t be the last.

They say there’s one born every minute, but here in Ireland I think it’s more like ten.

SCO Bishop,
Your historical source is flawed, I’m afraid. Pompey entered the Temple in 63 B.C. Titus destroyed the Temple in A.D. 70, 133 years later. The two events are not connected.
Whatever the “abomination of desolation” that Christ prophesied in Matthew 24 was, is not clear. There are several candidates. What we do know, thanks to Josephus, is that many signs were seen in the run-up to the Jewish rebellion. We also know that the Christians of that time recognized the abomination, because it caused them to flee to Pella (Eusebius III, 5, 3).
Anyway, the point is that the abomination of desolation happened at the Temple in Jerusalem sometime between A.D. 66 - 70.
This is proven by the words of Christ, again from chapter 24 of the Gospel According to Saint Matthew, verse 34:
BELIEVE ME, THIS GENERATION WILL NOT HAVE PASSED, BEFORE ALL THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED.
A generation, to the Hebrew mind, was 40 years.
People who are looking for “wars and rumors of wars” and “earthquakes” and “famines” and the “abomination of desolation” are looking in the wrong time. All these prophecies came to pass some 1,943 years ago.
God Bless!

The proof is in the pudding.  You must just read the messages and decide for yourself whether they are true.  You must be able to decide between right and wrong.  If someone preaches the Word of God to you and you decide not to accept it, that’s your free will, which God gave you.  Read all of the messages, not just some.  If God is talking to you, don’t miss what He is saying because of someone else’s opinion.  You are saved or not by your own choice, not others’.  God bless you.  rjm

Nick from Detroit, so you are a preterist? Meaning that you think everything is over and done with in 70AD. The great tribulation was only back then for Israel. Mr. Akin, are you a preterist too? In any case, Scripture can have multiple parallel meanings at the same time. Read your Catechism. The whole history of the destruction of the Jewish Temple is a model for what is about to come upon us. The Catholic Church is the New Israel, and just as the old Israel generally did not recognize the First Coming, likewise the New Israel generally fails to see the Second Coming - for the same reason - human nature does not change. Just as the sacrifice of animals ceased in 70AD for the Jews, their version of the Abomination of Desolation, so too will the New Israel’s Holy Sacrifice cease soon in Catholic times - the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - a long forgotten term replaced usually with ‘liturgy.’ Remember since God is the Eternal Now, EVERY generation is THIS generation to Him. But it is no surprise that so few recognize the signs of the times, just as Jesus said - when I come will I find any faith on earth? Isn’t the great apostasy obvious? Only 5% of Catholics go to Mass in Europe now. In the USA its maybe 20%. 90% practice contraception. Loss of vocations of 60-75% in religious and clergy. Ex-Catholics are the largest “denomination.” He who has eyes to see should see the obvious.

This is a good article telling why MDM could be false:  http://miraculousrosary.blogspot.com/2013/02/maria-divine-mercy-deception-of-satan.html

Bruce,
No, I do not believe everything was “over and done with in” A.D. 70. I’m a Catholic, after all. I believe in the Final Judgement and the Resurrection.
But, I believe that all the specific prophecies that Christ made in Matthew 24 were for that generation of Hebrews, because He said, “This generation will not have passed, until [ALL THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED].”
Was Christ wrong? Of course not.
The same goes for Saint John’s Apocalypse. There will be no beasts, no 7 plagues, no harlot. This was all coded language for those living under the reign of Nero and the Herodians. The harlot was Jerusalem. The plagues happened between the Crucifixion & the destruction of the Temple.
This is also made clear with John’s own words, in the first line of the Apocalypse:
“This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God has allowed him to make known to his servants, of things which [MUST SOON] find their due [ACCOMPLISHED]. And he has sent his angel to disclose the pattern of it to his servant John [...]”.
And, at the very end, in the words of Jesus Christ:
“And he who gives this warning says, Indeed [I AM COMING SOON].”
Also, the word “antichrist” is not found in the book of Revelation.
Yes, the Temple was a model of the cosmos, and its total destruction is a portent of what will happen to the universe at the end of time. Which can be a scary thought.
But, it is foolish to think that one can figure out when the “end times” will happen. And it is a waste of time to attempt to make the prophecies of Matthew 24 and the Apocalypse fit into world events of today. Leave that to Jack Van Impe.
People have been crying, “The end is near”, for centuries, and have always been wrong.
If you are able, Bruce, listen to Dr. Scott Hahn’s series The End”, a 12 CD set that goes through the whole book of Revelation. He makes the Sacred Scriptures come alive.
God Bless!

I think the most insulting part of her whole enterprise—and it’s an enterprise; it’s designed to sell books—is that she trades on the name “Divine Mercy” as if she’s got some connection to St. Faustina. That ALONE made me pretty much despise everything she had to say.

And before you jump down my throat—as I know you “true believers” will—I did actually go and read the so-called prophecies. They have an amazing resemblance to all kinds of noise out there, be it the rapture, the “three days of darkness,” or a dozen more. But what they DON’T have is an honest-to-God woman who’s ready to identify herself and her spiritual advisor/bishop, and that ALONE should lead any thinking person to distrust them. It’s kind of like that humorous commercial where the woman says, “They can’t put anything on the Internet unless it’s true.” Only this isn’t humorous. This isn’t funny. This is heresy, and schism, and the work of hysteria, and no amount of pious recitation of “Crusade prayers” changes that.

To those who say, “She can’t reveal her identity—she’ll be killed,” I have only one thing to say. “So what?” Flippant? Not really. It shows an amazing amount of arrogance on her part to keep her identity a secret for her own convenience and comfort, when all other legitimate prophets put themselves on the line and made no bones about who they were and Whom they stood for. If you won’t even give us your name, and the name of the spiritual authority under which you are subject—and no, “Your Jesus” doesn’t count in this case—then there’s absolutely NO reason why anyone should give you more than a few minutes’ reading before dismissing you as the opportunist you are. If, on the other hand, you’re willing to be public in your statements, you’re willing to submit to Church authority, and you’re willing to be obedient…then, and only then, should ANYONE give you the time of day or spend any attention on you. If you’re then killed for your “prophecies,” you’re a martyr—which many mystics welcomed the chance to be. The fact that she’s willing to do NONE of these things—and tries to ride on the coattails of a legitimate mystic and saint in the process—makes this more than mere error or well-meaning but misguided. It brings it into the place of evil…period.

This lady has the eschatological time line wrong.

The Era of Peace (lasting 1000 years) in Revelations comes before the Second Coming. For that reason alone I suggest extreme caution.

I agree with you Jimmy! Let’ focus on bringing one more soul to God

YESTERDAY I TRIED TO POST THE MDM MESSAGE FROM JESUS, WHICH WARNS AGAINST PUBLIC DENIAL OF HIS WORD.  THIS MESSAGE WAS INTERCEPTED BY THE EDITORS AND NOT POSTED APPARENTLY, IT’S BEEN ABOUT 24 HOURS AND THERE’S NO SIGN OF IT. SOMEONE POSTED A MESSAGE YESTERDAY SAYING THERE WAS A BIBLICAL INACCURACY IN THE MDM MESSAGES.  ME BEING A BASICALLY IGNORANT (UNWORTHY) SINNER, I HAD TO LOOK IT UP TO SEE WHAT THIS PERSON WAS TALKING ABOUT.  LO AND BEHOLD THE MDM MESSAGE IS 100% ACCURATE, THE PERSON WHO SAYS IT IS BIBLICALLY INCORRECT IS 100% WRONG. JESUS SAYS NOT TO INTERACT WITH ANYONE WHO TRIES TO GET INTO THESE SORTS OF DISCUSSIONS, SO I WON’T.  BUT LET ME SAY IT AGAIN, BE SILENT, FOR YOUR OWN SAKE. I’M THREE YEARS A CATHOLIC AS OF APRIL.  WHAT I’VE SEEN HERE LOCALLY WOULD SHOCK THE DAYLIGHT OUT OF ANY ORTHODOX CATHOLIC.  IF I TELL YOU WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE CHURCH, THIS PUBLICATION WOULD PROBABLY BLOCK ME AGAIN.  THE SAME ORGANIZATION THAT BROUGHT US THE LIKES OF FATHER GROESCHEL AND FATHER CORAPI WITH THEIR SEAL OF APPROVAL FOR HOW MANY YEARS? GIVE ME A BREAK.  PEOPLE LIKE ME START SPEAKING UP WITH THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON AND ALL HELL REALLY WILL BREAK LOOSE, TRIBULATION OR NOT.

Peace to all. One has to be carefull in making jugdement against private revelations specially it is against the Will of the Holy Spirit because it is unforgivable. Imitating the Vatican’s proclaimation in which she is carefull and do not haste their answers to prove authenticity on this matter. It is not evil if many souls will be converted and be drawn near to God in obeying the messages and prayers of this visionary. These beautiful messages and prayers are impossible to be Satan’s origen. Praying to God to save everybody’s soul, to recite the mysteries of the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Mother of Christ and to pray the chaplet of the Divine Mercy st least daily in a correct way as mentioned by the visionary is very pleasing to God. To avoid danger to commit sin against the Holy Spirit, one has be silent and wait for the judgment time.God’s plan is always different to men. He chooses his prophets and apostles to teach us to accept humility, always.The Book of Revelation has its purpose to mankind.

Jack
Your interpretation of the unforgivable sin is to say the least a little off. See CCC 1864
Public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle. We are and never will be bound to believe anything that comes to us from any private revelation. See CCC 67. We are warned against following anything when it conflicts in any way from the churches interpretation of Holy Scripture. These messages deviate in several fundamental ways, but feed the temptation in many people to know the divine plan before everyone else, in other words its modern day Gnosticism.

2 Timothy 4:3. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:  And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.

God Bless.

Bruce,
No, I do not believe everything was “over and done with in” A.D. 70. I’m a Catholic, after all. I believe in the Final Judgement and the Resurrection.
But, I believe that all the specific prophecies that Christ made in Matthew 24 were for that generation of Hebrews, because He said, “This generation will not have passed, until [ALL THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED].”
Was Christ wrong? Of course not.
The same goes for Saint John’s Apocalypse. There will be no beasts, no 7 plagues, no harlot. This was all coded language for those living under the reign of Nero and the Herodians. The harlot was Jerusalem. The plagues happened between the Crucifixion & the destruction of the Temple.
This is also made clear with John’s own words, in the first line of the Apocalypse:
“This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God has allowed him to make known to his servants, of things which [MUST SOON] find their due [ACCOMPLISHMENT]. And he has sent his angel to disclose the pattern of it to his servant John [...]”.
And, at the very end, in the words of Jesus Christ:
“And he who gives this warning says, Indeed [I AM COMING SOON].”
Also, the word “antichrist” is not found in the book of Revelation.
Yes, the Temple was a model of the cosmos, and its total destruction is a portent of what will happen to the universe at the end of time. Which can be a scary thought.
But, it is foolish to think that one can figure out when the “end times” will happen. And it is a waste of time to attempt to make the prophecies of Matthew 24 and the Apocalypse fit into world events of today. Leave that to Jack Van Impe. He’s been saying that we are in the “end times” for over 30 years.
People have been doing this for centuries, and have always been wrong.
If you are able, Bruce, listen to Dr. Scott Hahn’s series The End”, a 12 CD set that goes through the whole book of Revelation. He makes the Sacred Scriptures come alive.
God Bless!

To begin with, angels do not have a husband and a family.

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To those who interpret the angel as literal (wrongly), you should read your Bible. People are called angels too. Here are a few verses.  “Matthew 11:[9] But what went you out to see? a prophet? yea I tell you, and more than a prophet. [10] For this is he of whom it is written: Behold I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.” Refers to St. John the Baptist. See also Mark 1:2. St. Paul said this “Galatians 4:14 You despised not, nor rejected: but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.” How about in the Apocalypse when St. John is to write to the bishops. “Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:1
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write:” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:8 And to the angel of the church of Smyrna write:” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:12 And to the angel of the church of Pergamus write:” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 2:18 And to the angel of the church of Thyatira write:” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 3:1 And to the angel of the church of Sardis,” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 3:7 And to the angel of the church of Philadelphia, write:” “Apocalypse (Revelation) 3:14 And to the angel of the church of Laodicea, write:” Do you think that St. John was told to write to literal angels? Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.

Please read Revelations regarding the seven angels.

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There’s an easy way to remedy this, for both sides. Read the bible. That is the only TRUE word of God. Period. Everything else is false doctrine and/or idolatry. If anyone wishes to argue with that, then you’re arguing against God’s word.

I haven’t come to a decision about Maria DM yet, but unfortunatly I believe there is evil influences set up in the Vatican and locally. Me and my wife are Catholic and we love the Church, but for people to not “see” what is going on is beyond me. I believe Pope Benedict left for a reason and it wasn’t because of his health. Jesus would use the internet to communicate, as most are now addicted to technology and social networks or have our heads in the sand. Maria’s prayers all seem inspired to me and most of what she is saying makes sense, but there are some points that seem strange or even a tad bizarre. Remember though, some of the things that resulted from Vatican 2 could be described as strange and bizarre but they are now considered normal, and I won’t go through the list, we all know them. Remember, Noah was considered a “freak” by everyone but his own family but then what! Mankinds biggest downfall is pride as we all know. From Kings all the way down to the lowest class, we all suffer from it in different degrees. With this knowledge we should be carefull making public claims again people who “may” be called by God to enlighten, remind or prepare us. Remember, all the education in the world has not solved our problems as they mount daily.  In fact it HAS contributed to our pride, just as the Great Saint Francis was worried about. Let us be carefull not to put on blinders when it comes to hearing or seeing signs that God may be trying to tell us. Most Catholics have been dumbed down over the the past 50 years or so when it comes to prophecy and end times or real preaching about hell thanks to the devil and those he’s corrupted. Everything is “watered” down, especially here in Canada now and many Holy Priests are helpless to change it or suffer the consequences with the MEDIA being one of the most powerfull tools of the devil. Even if Maria DM is a hoax, she made you think about the state of the world didn’t she. She may have got you to get on you knees and pray? She may have inspired you to change your life or go to confession or Mass. If she did this, she did more than certain people with a fancy title and three degrees who feels they can explain the Trinity, and will be more than happy to spend hours showing us how “full of the Holy Spirit they are”. More like full of pride, and it’s become nauseating to me. All of these degrees in Theology and Religion but no real truth being preached anymore. Let us go back to basics. Jesus and the Gospels simple and true. And remember what He said about signs of the times or end times. It’s time to get rid of our distractions and our egos, humble ourselves, and turn back to God.

\\I believe Pope Benedict left for a reason and it wasn’t because of his health. \\

In other words, Peter A, you believed that Pope Benedict is a liar.

The !@#$% is a fraud she is nothing to GOD, THE GOD of Israel. She will not make it. She’s been denied heaven

\\The !@#$% is a fraud she is nothing to GOD, THE GOD of Israel. She will not make it. She’s been denied heaven\\

Charity (a misleading screen name if ever there was one) by your saying this, and presuming to say who is saved and who is lost, you have placed yourself in the same category as Maria Divine Mercy, whom you are condemning. I think you need to repent.

I am not Catholic but I would not be so quick to condemn her. Can you imagine the terrible things and threats her family would endure if her true identity was known. Time will tell if she is a true mouthpiece for God. Remember, it was Jesus’ own people that crucified him. I will say that she is doing nothing but encouraging people to Christ through love and compassion which should not be readily ridiculed by Christians. Sometimes, the “church” is its own worst enemy. We know there is a reformation movement in the Catholic Church that wants the church to become more secular. The next Pope will determine the direction of the church so be careful for what we wish. All professors of the Christian faith should wake up and pay attention

All I can say is wow. Thanks for trying to warn people. Reading the hateful responses reminds me of the reaction of much if the world towards the Church. Also, these “messages” are very similar to the disparaging claims against Catholicism for hundreds of years but especially in the last century. Perhaps MDM is related to Jack Chic? +++

“...when all religions will become one Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church.”
That’s all you need to know to know that she is a false prophet.

This does not change the fact that we should Pray that all persons will respect the Sanctity of Human Life and The Sanctity of Marriage and The Family, and include this Prayer at every Mass.

I see that, as usual, not everyone on the internet is crazy, but all the crazies are on the internet.

Well done, Jimmy.  Your warning and debunking of these errors is a work of mercy.

I remember a saint (I think it was St. Theresa of Avila, but I may be wrong)mentioning something that if during the course of these apparitions or locutions, the alleged seer was called some special name or otherwise is referred to as better than the rest of humanity, watch out. Anonymity may well be for privacy’s sake - or it could be a screen to dodge attention from the diocese or to cover up a suspicious private life. Mangled theology like this really sounds like the “Left Behind” series with a few Catholic phrases thrown in, and I know the Church isn’t millenialist.

” He wasn’t “ousted” due to a plot. He freely resigned due to health reasons. Here’s what Pope Benedict actually said:”

But don’t you realize that denial is proof?

Since failure to deny is also proof, it is only necessary to make an allegation to “prove” it.

“Can you imagine the terrible things and threats her family would endure if her true identity was known.”

Er,no.

Nick from Detroit, It is not foolish to be aware about the End Times, since Jesus told us to be aware of the season, and that season is now, to those who use their eyes to see. Your refusal to apply Matthew 24 to today is effectively preterist since you say it cannot apply now also. Scripture clearly indicates the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelation 13). So the word antichrist is not in the Book of Revelation? Big deal. Trinity is not in the Bible either. Check your Early Church Fathers and learn something. Although Jack van Impe is wrong about many doctrinal things, e.g. the “pre-trib rapture”, Protestants like that, who have partial truth, are similar to Samaritans of Jesus’ day. Most of the Old Israel (Jews) failed to see the arrival of the Messiah at the First Coming. In just the same way, and for the same spiritual reason, most of the New Israel (Catholics) fail to see the Messiah about to arrive for His Second Coming. God still does use prophets (Amos 3:7), or do you think that office expired in 70AD also? And if anyone cannot see the great apostasy, it is because they are part of it, sleeping at the switch whether through immorality (neo-pagans) or pride (neo-pharisees). Just like many Samaritans were open to Jesus’ First Coming, many Protestants are open to Jesus’ Second Coming. The last will be first and the first will be last.

False “prophets” have come and gone through all ages—but in our age they have mass communication, Facebook and the internet to spread their poison. All true prophets of God have not been “secret” prophets unwilling to reveal their identities.  After all salvation history why would this change???

No evidence that this woman is anything more than any other person looking for some personal gratification and attention by claiming to be in closer touch with God than the rest of us.

Reading all those titillating and juicy bits of religious “gossip” is far more exciting and interesting than reading the Bible and Catechism, and helping the poor and needy.  That’s why so many people are attracted to scam artists like “MDM”.  They feel like they’re “in the know”, and have information that us suckers who are just reading the Bible and Catechism don’t have.

And really, what harm could come from getting spiritual direction from an anonymous person on the internet, who is being advised by an anonymous priest, and approved of by an anonymous bishop?  What could go wrong?

A couple questions for all the suckers who buy this stuff - are you honestly naive enough to believe that both the leaders and followers of all other religions will suddenly throw away their centuries of beliefs to follow some mish-mash made-up religion?  Conversions between beliefs happen all the time, of course, but they are comparatively rare, and most of us have experienced first-hand how hard it can be to convince someone of a flaw in their religion, and how they need to convert.  But billions will do it in a very short time?  I’m not saying it’s impossible (with God all things are possible), but definitely unlikely.

Second question, to those saying that reading her “messages” made them pray more, go to Mass, etc. - Popes Benedict and John Paul, among many other great teachers, have been saying those same things for decades, and apparently you ignored them.  So they weren’t worth listening to, and “MDM” is, because she throws in some exciting prophecies as well?  Is that the level of your faith, of your spiritual development?  You ignore two of the greatest teachers the Church has produced, but you’ll listen to some anonymous “prophet” because she says the end is nigh?

Bruce,
Whoa! What’s with all the negative waves?
I’m only discussing the Good News of Christ Jesus, not trying to overturn your world view.

“It is not foolish to be aware about the End Times, since Jesus told us to be aware of the season, and that season is now, to those who use their eyes to see.”

That isn’t what I wrote. I stated that it is foolish for one to think he can figure out the “End Times” like some eschatological detective piecing together the clues that God left us in Scripture. We have been in the “Last Days” since the first century, A.D. Every age of the Church and generation has had its antichrists and false prophets. Today is no different.

“Your refusal to apply Matthew 24 to today is effectively preterist since you say it cannot apply now also.”

Again, I wrote no such thing. In fact, I asserted the exact opposite. Try reading it again.

“Scripture clearly indicates the Antichrist and False Prophet (Revelation 13). So the word antichrist is not in the Book of Revelation? Big deal.”

No, that is an interpretation held by you, and many others. If it was “clear,” as you claim, there wouldn’t be any disagreement, would there? Again, there is no reason to believe that there will only be one Antichrist & False Prophet. Every generation has to deal with them.

“Check your Early Church Fathers and learn something.”

Again, with the negative waves!
I try to learn something new every day. I’m currently reading Eusebius’ Church History & Benedict’s Jesus of Nazareth. Did you have a particular Early Church Father in mind? I’ll be glad to look it up.

“God still does use prophets (Amos 3:7), or do you think that office expired in 70AD [sic] also?”

Of course not. I believe in the visions at Fatima, the Divine Mercy and Saint Faustina, and Saint Padre Pio of Pietrelcina, among others. I don’t believe the so-called “prophecy” of St. Malachy or this false prophetess, Maria Divine Mercy. Prophets have to be 100% correct, or, what they say did not come from Almighty God.

I notice that you didn’t deal with Matthew 24:34, when Christ said that that the present generation would NOT pass before ALL of His predictions came true. He actually said this twice that day. The first time was after “Woes” to the Pharisees, cf. 23: 31-36. Did Christ get it wrong? How do you interpret Christ’s words?
God Bless!

I first heard of this woman through an email from a Catholic site called Totus Tuus Maria (or something like that).  Anyway, I, like many here, got caught up in her messages too, until I came here and read some of the things she has said in her messages that I haven’t seen.  That’s because I don’t frequent her site very often.  The one thing that did catch my eye and caused reason for pause was her belief that Jesus will come back (Second Coming) and rule over the earth for 1,000 years and that evil will not exist for that period of time.  That sure isn’t Catholic teaching by a long shot!  That is Protestant teaching!  Christ will only come back ONCE!  Not twice, as this lady is saying.  The other meassage I read on this board that I have not seen on her site because I have not been to her site in awhile, were pertaining to marriages taking place in heaven…..THIS IS BALONEY!  As Catholics we know this is an out and out LIE.  There will be no marriages in heaven, period.  However, some of the things she says I tend to believe because of the state of our country and world.  With Obama at the helm, all hell is going to break loose very soon.  With all this being said, I will monitor the next Pope.  If we as Catholics know our faith, we will have eyes to see and ears to hear falcities coming from the Chair of Peter….or not!  Just stay awake and don’t get sucked in to messages from false seers. There will be many more of them popping up to deceive us.  Follow the Cathechism and Magesterium.  The Pope Cannot lie tous about faith and morals.  This is God’s promise.  Stay awake!!!

This makes no sense; correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t it say in the Bible that even Jesus himself knows not the day, nor the hour? And this pathetic woman claims to have had revelations from not only Jesus, but Mary also! Like someone else said, she is obviously, blatantly attempting to interpret the book of Revelation, which we have been warned in the Bible time and time again to not do. Simply the fact that she is declaring these things proves her a fraud. Prayers for all of you who would believe this kind of thing.

Vicki,
Jesus will rule the earth after the second coming but He will not walk in the new paradise when heaven and earth merge.  It will be a Eucharistic Reign.  You have not been following the messages and then you read negative comments from other people who have not been reading the messages.  Therefore, there will be marriages and babies and all will adore our Eucharistic Lord.  I believe at the end of the Eucharistic Reign, will be the general judgement.  The second coming is where the Lord will judge the living and the dead, but it is NOT the general judgement where our Lord will announce to all (everyone that is living in the Eucharistic Paradise and those in hell) their particular judgement and the reasons for it.

Thank you for this post, Jimmy. I am wondering also about Anne the Lay Apostle. I have a number of friends who are wrapped up in her messages. While I have not seem that same theological alarm bells in what I have read of her writings, I do find it odd that she also uses a pseudonym to protect her family. Any thoughts?

CL, I took the liberty, after reading your last post to me, and scrolled up and read your other two posts.  I am with you on what you said in your first two posts, however, this last post was waaay off the mark for such a devout Catholic, as you seem to be.  Please allow me to expound on a few things you mentioned in your last post to me.  The particular judgement is the judgement made immediately after death in accordance with each person’s faith and works.  You are either destined for heaven, purgatory, or hell immediately after death.  The general judgement or the “Last Judgement” is God’s triumph over the revolt of evil, after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.  Preceeded by the resurrection of the dead, it will COINCIDE WITH THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST in glory at the end of time, disclose good and evil, and reveal the meaning of salvation history and the providence of God by which justice has triumphed over evil.

This is directly quoted out of the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.  Do you own one, CL?  If you don’t have one, go online or order one and look up “judgement” in the back of the book.  By what you believe and have posted, you are going against Catholc teaching.

Also, there is no way that we will marry and have children in heaven, CL.  After the Last Judgement, if we are in heaven, we will have our mortal but glorified bodies (and if i may be so bold, this means we will be without genitals), and there will be no need to pro-create/have sex in heaven.  This is what we are here on earth to do…marry and pro-create, not in heaven. 

what about the visionary madeleine in the village of Dozulé france normandy .She had many visions for a very long time, see the french book “l’avenir avant l’an 2000” author Jean Stiegler second title “Le secret de l’église enfin dévoilé” editions du Rocher….and what about Medjugorje?....the world is not only english….

This will be my last comment as I did have a follow up to my first one March 11 that didn’t get posted?? The second was meant to clarify the first posting and I don’t feel like anything in it was hurtful or wrong. If you feel it must be edited for any reason please do! All I stated is that I feel the Holy Father might make decisons like step down for the greater good, and he might not be able to spell it all out for reasons unknown to us. Pope Benedict is not a liar but a great leader who has to consider all things for the Church’s greater good. It hurt that I’ve been accused of calling him a liar, and if it sounded that way may God and all of you forgive me. I love the Lord,  sinfull as I am, and serve him as best I can but we always fall short. I love the Church, the Holy Father, and the Curia and priests who run it. I can’t deny my feelings about evil influences in all things. It’s mentioned and we’re warned about it constantly in the Bible afterall. God allows us to be tested in all things and at all levels. Even the Church and some of it’s leaders. Other than for light reading, peoples claims of prophecy knowledge should NEVER affect our future decisions about how we live our lives if it’s not geared toward God’s greater glory. Common sense here right!! Like I said review everything keep the good discard the bad. I didn’t coin this phrase. Most of the postings “against” possible prophetic claims seem to be from people who pride themselves on their abilty to disern “all things”, and everyone else who has an opinion or wishes people would think for themselves are labeled as misguided, weak or almost anti-christian. To the people who post that are against, tell me do you feel proud that you have all the answers? I think the best thing we can all do is probably keep our opinions to ourselves either way and when we question things resort to our bibles and serve God and our Church in a more productive way. I know I need to go to confession after writing any of these comments simply because any of us who claim to have the answers to this topic in general need a clean soul and communion to have ANY chances of knowing what God wants from us at this time.  God Bless you all and I will never again leave a comment as it festers more bad than good, which shows the evil side of the internet.  PA

peter a..thank you for your last post….I myself am deeply troubled by Pope Benedicts stepping down. Here we have a great leader, who knows Scripture inside out, knows Christs own words,“MY STRENGTH IS SUFFICIENT”..“I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU MORE THAN YOU CAN HANDLE”...AND YET THE Holy Father says he cannot go on. The doctors say he cannot travel, well then just stay in Rome and lets the worlds Cardinals take care of their districts. It just doesn’t fit well..Pope Benedict knows Christ completely and to just step aside, as I say something is not right. I pray for Pope Benedict and wish his retirement full of happiness. But I think Gods hand of Justice is arriving in the Church and on the world

Peter A, it is not a matter of having all the answers. We aren’t supposed to have all the answers. We were warned by Christ about seeking only after signs and wonders.  Everything we need for our salvation is already revealed for us I. The deposit of faith. Even Church approved apparitions are not required belief and are seen by the Chirch as secondary to that deposit of faith. Why are we even looking for such messages? Not only do I feel that I should center myself more on Scripture and Traditiom and the teachings of the magisterium, I feel it is simply spiritually dangerous not to employ a skeptical mindset when approaching such messages. While an authentic one may serve as a reminder, that which I need for salvation has already been given me through the Church. However, inauthentic prophecies and messages present great spiritual danger and have the potential to lead many down the wrong path. So, I carefully compare everything to scripture and Catholoc teaching. If some part of it contradicts that, the whole is suspect. If it is suspect, there is no need to concern myself further with it. If it turns out to have been legitimate for the most part, I have deprived myself of very little. If on the other hand, it is inauthentic, I can save myself much confusion, disillusion, and potential sin and error. You thin it proud? I think it merely prudent and cautious. I am humble enough to know I could be easily led astray.

As someone who used to be involved with the New Age Movement, it sounds suspiciously like “channeling.”  Where someone will claim to be receiving messages from some disembodied entity.  And then the messages are distributed via email or posted on website.  Similar to what is going on with Medjugorje.

Nick from Detroit, you said But, I believe that all the specific prophecies that Christ made in Matthew 24 were for that generation of Hebrews, because He said, “This generation will not have passed, until [ALL THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED].” Was Christ wrong? Of course not. Therefore that is the preterist position, which is an opinion of some and not a teaching of the Church. Perhaps you can provide specific doctrinal proof otherwise? You fail to understand at very many levels. First of all, you obviously don’t know how the Biblical Word of God can apply MULTIPLE TIMES and also in multiple ways for any given text. Read your CCC 115-119. To limit Matthew 24 to one historical event fails to follow how the Church looks at Scripture. Second, read the Early Church Fathers about the times of the Antichrist and the False Prophet. There is a great deal there but you’ll have to work on it. They also talk about a time of peace, which is not to be confused with chilaism or millienarianism. Read the book the Splendor of Creation by Fr. Joseph Iannuzzi for details on how the Church does NOT reject a 1000 year (symbolic) period of peace, and explains in great detail how that fits in, along with many mystics that (most likely) you wouldn’t reject who have other revelations on the Eucharistic Reign of Christ in that time - the Kingdom of the Divine Will. There is no time with God - He lives the Eternal Now. Every generation is this generation to Him. One of the signs for the final “this generation” is Israel becoming a nation again. Finally, I am not negative at all - I cannot wait for Jesus to come and clean up this corrupt place and give us the period of peace promised at Fatima. Anyone who thinks that peace prophesied at Fatima has already come has no idea what peace really is.

You couldn’t be more wrong Jimmy. Remember Jesus is the author of these messages, Maria Divine Mercy is just the writer. All these messages are from Jesus, not her. You surely need to take a look inside yourself and pray for discernment. You have no right to say she’s untrustworthy just because she posts these messages online. Uh hello, Jesus is using modern technology to earn us. Your warning experience should be particularly interesting. God have mercy on the doubting Thomas’ of today’s corrupt world. Why don’t you just wait until the False Pope is elected and the antichrist comes. I get these messages are going to look mighty nice then.

You couldn’t be more wrong, Liz.  Jesus is NOT the author of those messages.  They are NOT from Him, they are the fevered imaginings of a scam artist and heretic.  She’s not untrustworthy because she posts messages online; she’s untrustworthy because the messages contradict the Faith.  You surely need to take a look inside yourself and pray for discernment, and stop chasing after salacious prophecies.  The Bible and the Catechism may not be as exciting as her doomsday prophecies, but at least they can be trusted.

Bruce,
Oh, man. Don’t hit me with those negative waves on the day that Pope Francis has been elected. Ha-ha!

I apologize, for not being more clear in my statements. Although, I did also state that the destruction of the Temple was a foreshadowing of the end of the world, remember?

But, I will state emphatically that I am not a preterist. I don’t believe that the prophecies contained in the Little Apocalypse (Mt. 24) and John’s Apocalypse have ONLY a first century fulfillment. I believe that the SPECIFIC prophecies that they contain were PRIMARILY fulfilled by A.D. 70.

I agree that the Sacred Scriptures often have multiple meanings. We have been in “Last Days”, or, the Age to Come since the end of the Old Covenant Age, which ended with the destruction of God’s Temple. This was the end of the world to the Jews of that time. It points to the end of this world, and the coming of the “new heaven, and [the] new earth” (Rev. 21:1). But, every generation since the founding of the Catholic Church has dealt with antichrists and false prophets. And we still are, to this very day. (By the way, to the Pharisees and disciples that Christ was addressing in Mt. 23 & 24, generation would have meant 40 years, just as in Exodus.)

Again, my main point was that it is pointless attempting to make current events fit into the prophecies recorded in Mt. 24 & the Apocalypse. The wars, earthquakes, famines, plagues, beasts (Nero & Herod), 7 trumpets, coming on clouds, etc., were historic events that occurred from the Crucifixion to Jerusalem’s demise.
I hope this makes my views more comprehensible.

Also, I’m unaware of any official Church teaching on the Apocalypse, or, Mt. 24. As far as I know, these are subjects which are up for discussion, amongst scholars (which I am not). Plus, do you have a specific Early Church Father in mind? Dr. Hahn quotes from many Fathers in his audio series The End, East & West.

Yours in Christ,
Nick

Wow. 180 comments. It must be Lent.

We can all read and believe what we wish.  However, I have read Pope Francis bio and he seems to be a man devoted to the church and all his life and frankly I am finding it hard to find an anti Christ there.  Also Catholic teaching tells us that the Pope is chosen by God.

on her march 9th message…the “Divine Enlightenment” will happen by Good Friday…we shall see then

Are you sure that Benedict XVI really abdicated becouse of his health issues? Maybe he was forced to giving this reason officialy. Didn’t you think this way?

“Also Catholic teaching tells us that the Pope is chosen by God.”

I don’t think so. Have you ever heard about Saeculum obscurum period? Popes were chosen by one women.

I’m not sure if this comment has been made, however if one were to read “Maria’s” message, she purports to have been given a prayer in which not only will those who recite receive a plenary indulgence (which only the Holy Pontiff has the authority to grant, as given to him by Jesus), but also the remission of their sins. Again, this is something reserved for the sacraments (typically).

I would be interested to see if there is any evidence that other “prophets” or “mystics” have ever made such claims and been found to be authentic.

Mr. Akin—-any insights?

Bruce,
After re-reading my reply again, I feel the need to clarify further.
I am not a strict preterist, in that, I don’t believe the prophecies have ONLY a first century fulfillment. I guess you could say that I am, like Dr. Hahn (I believe?), part preterist, part historicist, part futurist, and part idealist.
I disagree with those who believe that the Apocalypse has ONLY a future fulfillment. Are you a futurist, Bruce?

My comments continue to be blocked by the spam-filter. So, I hope that you see this. I also hope that this fully explains my position.
God Bless!

Great, now I have to add to my list of prayers all this people who believe this woman and may separate themselves of the true Church… People please, you know for a fact that Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, you don’t know for sure that Jesus talks to this woman. Don’t trust her above Jesus and His Church!

Just pray to god for guidance! If what she says is true we will know soon enough. Ambiguity is rife!! No one knows truly what pleases or displeases God. If there is a warning then wait for that! Honestly we are all doubting Thomas’s and God will give us clarity. If we deny him after certainty then we are damned ! He has great mercy and wants us to come back to him. I have read her books and have fealt enormous fear. Fear of the wrath of God. Maybe I’m confusing fear with guilt! Guilt that I have faltered along the way. But we are human and fallible! He knows that. I was having a conversation today with friends about the new pope and I was shot dead with most saying that they don’t have time or care about that. Evidence that people don’t need god. I’ve often fell away from his teachings. But when I speak to him trough prayer I feel his love.  Its hard though in ths day and age because we are so independent and most of us don’t need God. But I think pride is aso our biggest downfall. I challenge all of you to try to pray. You never know you may feel very different after. When you like in bed hold your hand out in the dark!!!!!!!! He will hold it!!!!!!! Any one who wants to chat me conork2@yahoo.co.uk

Everybody should spread the word about the Secondcoming Warnings on all social media to as many people as possible and let people read all the messages for themselves rather than believe anybody trying to discourage you from reading or believing those messages. First read each and every message posted there.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/messages/latest-messages/#

I’m surprised this thread is still going. Yet all those supporting MDM haven’t given this much thought, it would seem.
                                               
The new pope admonishes us to carry our crosses and conform our lives to Jesus, and MVM proclaims *protestant* milleniarianism and rejects the Vicar of Christ. Seeing which is opposed to the faith takes a little discernment but maybe more humility.
                                             
Wake up, people, you’re placing blind faith an anonymous charlatan who is calling Christ a liar and the pope a servant of evil.

we are indeed living in tumultuous times spiritually speaking, however the bottom line is this: SIN is the great evil to watch out for and to shun. At present, the pope has done nothing to throw suspicion upon him as being a false prophet, yet to accuse him of such, presently, and to refuse to be obedient to him and recognize him as pope, IS sin. uNTIL AND unless he begins to promote sin in any form as acceptable, we as catholics must accept him with all our hearts and bless him and pray for him as the Vicar of Christ.

We are living in tumultuous times due to the objectification of the human person. In February, our Holy Father, Pope Benedict stated, that “to deny God, is to deny the inherent Dignity of the human person”, who from the moment of conception, has been created in the Image and Likeness of God, equal in Dignity, while being complementary as male and female. Those who deny that every son or daughter of a human person is a human person, and that only a man and woman can exist in relationship as husband and wife, in essence, are denying the inherent personal and relational Dignity of the human person, and thus are denying God, which is apostasy. Who is the anti Christ? Those who no longer clothed with The Word of God, are naked because they believe, they can create God, and thus The Truth of Love, in their own image. There Is only One Spirit of Love between The Father and The Son, Who Was In The Beginning, Is Now, and Forever Will Be. Thank you, Holy Father for not being afraid to speak The Truth In Love. We will know soon enough if Pope Francis desires to end The Great Apostasy for The Glory of God and Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Do not let your hearts be hardened, stay awake!

Is there any way to shut this lady down?  That seems to be the prime reason she’s anonymous.  There’s no names at all - no name of a spiritual director, no name of the Bishop whose jurisdiction she’s under.  Little wonder she can glob together millennialism and bits and pieces from other unapproved apparitions and call them her own.

How dare she insult Francis with her latest “message”.  Someone (I would if I could) needs to find out who this lady is, hold her accountable for her nonsense, and shut down her page.

Hopefully, Pope Francis will be the one to end the dissension in Christ’s Church, since there can be no division in Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, The Body Of Christ.

Thank you, Jimmy. I have a friend who believes in these “prophecies”. I have been praying for clarity & how to address this issue with her. There were far too many “red flags” for me to believe in the authenticity of these “revelations”. I hope the information you provided will be enough to bring her back to her senses. Peace to you.

“Do not quench the Spirit. Do not treat prophecies with contempt, but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil.” 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22

By their fruits you shall know them. I have only seen good fruits of prayer and more devotion to the sacraments from those who follow Maria’s messages.

SCO Bishop, there is only ONE Holy Place because there is only ONE True God.

While there may be elements of truth in other religions, There is only ONE, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. There is no Salvation outside of Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church thus the purpose of evangilization and ecumenism, is conversion to The Body of Christ, as there will be many who, like The Good Thief, will come late to The Fold.

The Sacrifice of The Cross, Is The Sacrifice of The Most Holy and undivided Blessed Trinity, “for God so Loved us that He sent His only Son…”, thus The Eucharist Is The Source and Summit of our Catholic Faith.

By encouraging many Catholic devotions, practices and prayers this alleged prophet is sadly robbing the Church of many devout, traditional Catholics!  Division is never the answer!  As Jesus prayed, “May they all be one….” and “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and he gates of hell shall not prevail against it”.  The test of a prophet is not whether their prophecies come true (fortune tellers can do that!) but whether their prophesies stand in unity with Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.  Do not fall prey to the enemy who wishes to divide and weaken the Church!!!

Don’t you see what is going on with these messages… it is very subtle but, should you follow the seers instructions and believe that Pope Francis is the false prophet, you would be doing what Satan (the angel of light) did when he was thrown down from heaven into hell for these very same reasons.. pride and disobedience….you would be acting out of pride believing “that your own private discernment is more authoritative that the Church’s theologians and defenders” and disobedience to the head of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Had the author of this article taken the time to really read and reflect on the messages of Maria Divine Mercy instead of focusing on ephemerals, perhaps he would have reached a different conclusion that the one he did.  Without a doubt, if the Messages from Maria Divine Mercy are not of Divine origin, then they must come from Satan.  But pay attention to the Crusade Prayers, the admonition to pray regularly the Holy Rosary and The Divine Mercy Chaplet, to seek the Sacrament of Reconciliation frequently, to attend Holy Mass frequently, and to receive Holy Communion frequently, etc.  My friends, a house divided against itself cannot stand.  If the devil is asking us through this woman to do these things, then he must not want to win this war with God because we know he is almost rendered powerless by them.  But we know better.  The writer, moreover, fails to state which Catholic doctrine any of the messages is antithetical with.  My friends, just read the messages carefully.  Visit Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and ask him for discernment.  In my humble opinion, I have no doubt that Maria Divine Mercy’s Messages are of Divine origin.

Additionally, I know some of the things from Maria Divine Mercy are hard to take, especially those prophecies that relate to the current occupant of the Chair of Peter.  But ask yourself, how could she not deliver the messages if they are coming from God?  And when has Christ’s words been easy to swallow?  Read the Bible.  Never.  Wouldn’t it be better for those who do not believe the messages, instead of throwing stones at Maria Divine Mercy, to pray for discernment and wait for the prophecies to either come true or not.  If they do not come true, then you can criticise her.  But if the warning comes true, how can you take back some of these hard stuff thrown at her?

@Fidelis Agbaps,
               
The devil can quote scripture to his advantage. MVM leavens her/his promotion of protestant milleniarianism and disobedience of the pope with mentions of the Rosary and other devotions. Would you swallow poison because it smells nice or is presented in a golden chalice?
                       
Saint Pio always faithfully, clearly submitted to the authority of his bishop. In contrast, we don’t even know who MVM’s bishop is because MVM is unknown, yet she/he is in clear disobedience of both the bishop and the pope with these anti-pope attacks. Placing oneself over the authority of one’s bishop and the Pope is not of God.
                       
The fruits of MVM are not increased devotion (a mere facade), but rejection of the papacy and denial of Christ’s promise that “the gates of Hell will not prevail” against the Church. This is swallowing camels while straining at gnats.

Beautifully put, David B.
God Bless!

You are absolutely right, David, that the devil can quote the scripture to his advantage, as in the temptation of Jesus in Matthew chapter 4.  But how is the devil helping himself in this case by asking MDM to tell us to pray the Holy Rosary, to pray The Divine Mercy Chaplet, to go to confessions, to go to mass, to receive holy communion, etc. It is like Iran informing the U.S. and Israel of where Iran’s nuclear installations are, and removing all their soldiers from such installations so they can be bombed and destroyed.  It appears highly unlikely that the devil would do such a thing to himself.

Your piece also demonstrates that you have not fully or carefully read the Messages.  MDM said Jesus asked her to remain anonymous so she does not become a distraction from the Messages.  The need and the importance of focusing on the Messages alone are further underscored by the fact that she is not allowed to interprete the Messages or substitue her own words in the Messages, but to transmit them as delivered.  Simply put, Jesus is the Author.  She is the writer. David, clearly you would agree that in this age of celebrity, this makes a lot of sense. 

“Placing oneself over the authority of one’s bishop and the Pope is not of God.”  This also shows that you have not read the Messages and are not fully aware of what is happening with MDM.  According to MDM, none of her words is involved in the Messages.  All the words and Messages are Jesus’ verbatim.  If indeed the words and the Messages are all Jesus’ and she is simply the transmitter, then she is not placing herself above her bishop and the Pope.  Jesus is.  The Church is the Body of Christ and Christ could be the One placing Himself above His Church, which makes sense.

Her local bishop and parish priests, moreover, clearly know who she is; they are clearly hiding her identity to respect Jesus’ wish that she remain anonymous so people can focus on the Messages. This is infuriating to people in the popular culture who want to see her, interview her, study and assess her family, etc.  But they have not demonstrated that Jesus’ reason for wanting her to remain hidden is invalid.

One of her Messages say that about 100 years ago, men entered seminaries not to become priests and serve Christ, but were sent by the devil to infiltrate the Church and destroy it.  Most of these men, the Messages say, were responsible for introducing odious practices in the Church during the Second Vatican Council, including removing prayers to St. Michael The Archangel in the Liturgy and receiving Holy Communion in the hands, which Christ says agonize His Sacred Heart a lot.  The Messages explained that God The Father held them back for decades until now, when He has decided to allow them to infiltrate the Church so that through their ascendency, He would finally root out the rot in the Church.  This is called permissive will of God, as in God The Father allowing Jesus to be tortured and crucified for our salvation, or allowing the murder of the innocent children by Herod.  The Messages go on to emphasize that the Church would be tormented by this group but would not be destroyed.  Accordingly, Christ’s promise that “the gates of hell shall not prevail” against His Church still holds. 

Instead of demonizing MDM, I would suggest that you be patient and adopt the prudent position of Gamaliel in similar situation in the Acts of the Apostles.  MDM has given prophecies, including The Warning, that will happen soon.  The occurence or non-occurence of such a huge event will either validate or invalidate her prophecies.  If her prophecies are of human or satanic origin, it will break up of its own accord very soon.  But if it is of divine origin, it will be validated soon with The Warning.  My fear in this whole thing is people offending the Holy Spirit in trashing this woman.  Instead of saying things about MDM that you will later regret, I advise you in the words of the sage, Gamaliel, to “take care not to find yourself fighting against God.” Acts: 5:39. 

About two years ago, I questioned maria divine mercy about a message that Jesus gave to her. She changed the message! I knew at that point she was false. She tried to get me delisted from facebook by having a bunch of her facebook cult followers lodge complaints against me. I was taken off of facebook for about a month. She is as false as a false prophet gets.

Now that she is saying that this Pope is a false pope and being that maria got messages shortly after visiting medjugorje, this is really going to cause some flak being that medjugorje is getting certain approval (not total approval) but certain approval from Pope Francis and medjugorje does not claim that his pontificate is false in the messages. I do not medjugorje either, but this is going to get interesting.

I do follow Fatima, Akita and I interested in the outcome of Garabandal, but in no way do I advocate Garabandal’s approval. I pray as much as I can, I go to confession 3 or 4 times a week during this time and go to Mass everyday to see Jesus.

All I can is, “you people following this false prophet maria divine mercy”, you are all going to get caught with wool over your eyes and it is not going to be sheep’s wool. Get out while you can and go to confession for the sin of those you coerced into following maria. You are going to be responsible for their damnation if they are not smart enough to discern the devil’s plot in maria’s messages.

Once you do all this, pray for her, because she is going to need prayer for the gravity of her sin.

I have prayed for her many a day and she continues to deceive all of you.

May GOD’S Divine Will through HIS Son Jesus Christ be done, AMEN

In her site it says that she is not to change any message that Jesus gives to her, even the mistakes must remain.

Well, in one of her messages when it first came out, I questioned it and she changed it because I was right. It did not make sense at all. Well, after she changed it, I started telling everybody on facebook what she had done.

Maria got a bunch of her followers to lodge a complaint against me to facebook and I got a taken off facebook for a month. They said I was threatening them which is an outright lie. It wasn’t the case at all, I was warning them of what Maria had just done, and she knew that I had her. I still have the email correspondence that went back and forth between maria and I. She is going to be held accountable big time for what she is doing. I can only pray for her and I have so I am done when it comes to her soul. GOD knows that I am telling the truth and HE knows who she is, A False Prophet.

I reached out to Maria from Jesus to Mankind” because the Oct. 19, 2011 message sent by GOD The Father was very confusing.

The message read: His mercy is so great that no sin, no matter how grievous, cannot be forgiven if true remorse is shown.”

I argued and told her that this is not mercy.

Look at the message now and it reads: His mercy is so great that sin, no matter how grievous, can be forgiven if true remorse is shown.

Why did maria change it? Did GOD make a mistake? No, GOD didn’t make a mistake, maria made a mistake.

May GOD strike me down dead if I am not telling the truth, AMEN

What a waste of time arguing if Maria divine Mercys messages are true or not . If reading her messages which she claims comes from up above ,brings you into peaceful conversion .if because of these ,you have been going to church ,do adoration ,pray the rosary and chaplet each day ,then you have nothing to lose . After all ,that’s what Maria has been repeatedly channeling to us per Gods request . We are better-off to spend our days believing her so not to lose sight of what God is seriously warning us these days . If Maria is not true ,she is accountable to God not to anybody . She had help me come so close to God and the fact that I do not fear anything of what has to happened ,tells me that she is real . Let the Holy Spirit guide you and help you discern . Amen

@Fidelis Agbaps

If the Devil can cause Catholics to deny the Pope, Rosarys and Confessions are a small price for it. The aim is getting souls to accept MVM’s version of the truth while rejecting the Church’s authority. There is no middle ground.

All visionaries the Church has accepted submitted to the authority of their local bishop. St. Pio abhorred publicity, yet he was open and honest in a way that MVM is not. Her anonymity prevents scrutiny.
                 
Moreover, how do you know that her bishop “clearly know[s] who she is” and is “clearly hiding her identity”? Do you have evidence, or is this an unwarranted assumption?
                         
If MVM really is receiving messages from a supernatural source, then her uncritical spreading of them is reckless and wrong. Her messages contain heretical teachings, the 1000 year reign being only one (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c2a7.htm#676). The source, then, is not Christ. Have *you* read her messages?

when it affects souls that were redeemed at a very high price, that of the Precious Blood of the Son of God…it is not a waste of time to try and be clear about what is going on here. If you follow the messages and hold the Holy Father as the false prophet you will automatically excommunicate yourself from the Catholic Church… and you will not be able to do some of the things that are suggested by the seer ( like receiving the sacraments )without incurring more serious sin… Of what use would the messages be then…

Nobody has the right to judge anybody ,only God can .

I think she has a great imagination that is being used as a tool for false info… sad…
Thanks, I had seen a falsehood in a message someone shared with me… your info only confirms what I saw with even more info…

The writers here who defend “Maria” sound like they didn’t read this whole article.  Please do so.
You really think someone claiming to be “Jesus” is telling us to deny the reality of the Pope?  Every genuine visionary, such as St. Faustina, St. Margaret Mary, Padre Pio was told to obey lawful human authority even if it opposed what the vision told them.  Where is the evidence that Pope Francis is not real?
You also accuse Pope Benedict of lying - is this the word of Jesus? Well, it doesn’t give me a peaceful feeling!
We sorely need principles of discernment and a holy director, because distinguishing a holy and an unholy spirit is not a job for amateurs!  See the real wise ones, like Ignatius and John of the Cross.
Our feelings are no source of authority in a spiritual conflict.  And yes, we are accountable for leading others astray.
A last word: claiming to have the approval or a priest or even a bishop, sadly doesn’t mean much today.  They can be found who will tell you almost anything, as we know from the news, if not from life.
Come, Lord Jesus with your spirit of truth. (Those who feel called may want to take part in some deliverance prayer, by the side of our Mother Mary and St. Michael.)
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.  May God rebuke him, we humbly pray.  Amen.

Pope Francis has been duly elected. He is the defacto and dejure head of the Catholic church as of today.
Therefore as true catholics we are obliged to pray every day earnestly for him that the Lord Jesus may be with him everyday. Whether we like him or not it is our duty to pray for him.
Even if you think he is the false prophet it is it compulsory to pray for him. Afterall even the idolatous King Ahab repented when confronted by the wrath of God (1 Kings 21v29). Afterall Prophet Moses pleaded on the behalf of the people of Israel when God threatened to wipe them out (Exodus 32v9-14).
The everlasting lake of fire is not meant for human beings. It is meant for satan and his cohorts because they would not (and they will not) repent.
May the good Lord make our Pope holy and protect him. Amen

Why do some people look to a fellow creature and then blindly put so much faith in THEM????  It really makes NO SENSE. We already have the means of saving our souls WITHOUT a supposed “seer”. Use COMMON SENSE (if you have it) but MAINLY the holy sacraments provided by Christ and stop looking for signs and wonders that do not add to the sacraments. Try adoration—Christ is present right there on the altar, and remember He is the author of life—even that of “Maria Divine Mercy”, and does He really need HER to speak for Him? I think not.

The writers here who defend “Maria” sound like they didn’t read this whole article.  Please do so.
You really think someone claiming to be “Jesus” is telling us to deny the reality of the Pope?  Every genuine visionary, such as St. Faustina, St. Margaret Mary, St. Padre Pio, was told to obey lawful human authority even if it opposed what the vision told them.  Where is the evidence that Pope Francis is not real?  You also accuse Pope Benedict of lying - is this the word of Jesus? Well, it doesn’t give me a peaceful feeling!  We sorely need principles of discernment and a holy director, because distinguishing a holy and an unholy spirit is not a job for amateurs!  See the real wise ones, like Ignatius and John of the Cross.  Our feelings are no source of authority in a spiritual conflict.  And yes, we are accountable for leading others astray.  A last word: claiming to have the approval or a priest or even a bishop, sadly doesn’t mean much today.  They can be found who will tell you almost anything, as we know from many sources.  Come, Lord Jesus with your spirit of truth. (Those who feel called may want to take part in some deliverance prayer, by the side of our Mother Mary and St. Michael.)  St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.  May God rebuke him, we humbly pray.  Amen

Chris Awo,

“The everlasting lake of fire is not meant for human beings.”

If you are trying to say that men do not end up Gehenna (i.e., the hell of damnation), you are contradicting 2,000 years of Catholic teaching (see CCC, p. 1033-1037). According to approved apparitions, like Fatima, there are many souls in hell, unfortunately.
If I have misunderstood what you meant to say, I apologize.
God Bless!

I disagree with you Mr. Akin. If Maria Divine Mercy’s messages are not from God, you’re telling then that they came from Satan. Satan hates Mama Mary so much. Satan hates Mama Mary because She is the opposite of him. Satan is full of pride while Mama Mary is full of humility. That is why Satan also hates the Rosary! We could defeat Satan by praying the Holy Rosary! Why would Satan allow people to pray hard especially praying the Holy Rosary??

Remember the teaching about God and Beelzebul. “Knowing their thoughts, He said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand; and if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the Kingdom of God has come upon you.” (Matthew 12:22-28 RSV)

\\I disagree with you Mr. Akin. If Maria Divine Mercy’s messages are not from
God, you’re telling then that they came from Satan. \\

There’s a third alternative which you did not mention. These messages could be merely the product of the visionary’s own imagination.

Hey all

As I have written (if you read up) we can not say for sure that she is real!!! But there is nothing that we can say for a matter of fact, that is real when it comes to FAITH! Yes! To all who have posted this… The devils works under so many guises! Lying waiting to claim victory of you over greatness!  Because we doubt!  And that is human nature!!  How wonderful would it be if she is right!?  God making himself known to us so we can return to his immaculate heart and above all his MERCY! I am very reluctant to cast Pope Francis to the side because of what I have read! I will give him a chance. But if he deviates from the teachings of the church then we will know! I know the church needs to grow and it needs to change. But if you feel that what he says or teaches goes against your basic foundation of what you believe then you will know! Stay strong! Don’t spend time debating! I think the fact you are debating means it has hit some sort of chord! People often look for the easy way out. is dismissal the best way ?
PRAY PRAY PRAY!
You will find answers!!

I’m not necessarily a “true believer” in MDM, but most of what she says sounds plausible to me. “7th angel” aside, I don’t see her contradicting church doctrine. Everything has to do with the near future, so we can just wait and see. In the meantime, the emphasis on prayer, sacraments, etc., will certainly not get anyone in trouble.

Btw, MDM nowhere tells anyone, priests or laity, to disobey church authority. On the contrary! Its fuzzy logic to say that if she says we have a false Pope, she must be telling us to disobey. She hasn’t done so. (Read the messages.) The critical juncture will/would come if and when Church doctrine is overturned and the Mass is seriously altered. Believe MDM or not, we will all have a lot of thinking to do if this happens.

The anti-MDM objections here, including the particular arguments and “proofs”, are the same ones that have been argued against all the apparitions that are now accepted by the Church. One particularly illogical one is “we don’t need apparitions!”. Then why have they happened? Jesus and Mary appear just to amuse themselves?! No, because they have something important to say to us. If this is the case, it’s irresponsible of us to ignore or be indifferent to such manifestations.

What separates our faith from a bunch of magical tricks?

*Only* our surrender to the will and mercy of Our Lord. He has the power, not we.  Nothing and nobody else—not visionaries, not the rosary, not sacramentals—should be above that.

The rosary is not a magic trick; if Satan can get hordes of people praying the rosary like a desperate, fearful INCANTATION instead of as a prayerful, thoughtful MEDITATION then I think he would call that a win.  The first kind of “prayer” locates “power” in us.  The second recognizes that prayer is fundamentally an act of communication that is for *our* inner change.

That said, I think the likelihood that mental illness is involved is high. Don’t think Satan can’t use that to his benefit, either.

Just based upon the large number of responses/comments here, MDM’s messages, whether one likes it or not, strikes a chord in people’s hearts.  My response is—PRAY!! And ask the Holy Spirit for guidance.  Why condemn? Remember that Jesus was Himself rejected, scorned, challenged for his lack of authority by those who believed they had all the authority vested upon them through their rank…and ultimately murdered!  The CCC recommends prayerful discernment for all private revelations.  Heaven forbid—if we condemn and they turn out to be true prophets for our times!!

Thank you for your wonderful article on this individual and her dangerous claims.  The fact that she does this without any attempt to place herself and her visions to the authority and discernment of the Church is proof right there that she is not to be heeded.

Since, obviously, there is no Nihil Obstat in the page with the copyright, ISBN, and publishing information, the best thing to do with the book is to open up the woodstove, toss it in, and close the door.  Better yet, don’t buy it at all.

There have been many comments here along the line of my thinking. God speaks to the heart. I too believe in Fatima Lourdes Garabandal Medugorje Sr Faustina’s massages and many other prophets/visionaries who incidentally say the same things as Maria Divine Mercy…uncanny ? yes. For my part I am watching these messages with intrigue and in my heart I believe them. I attend daily 7am mass, rosaries, divine mercies, stations etc and God is saying to me “this is My last effort to save hardened sinners before it’s too late” and that’s beautiful. Imagine millions and billions of souls coming to/back to God. Sure these messages will split many catholic in their thinking but remember the souls that were ‘for Christ’ and then stood by as Jesus carried the cross and they spat at him. Pray,pray, pray and all will be well even if you never view anything about any prophet/visionary.

Thanks, Paul, for your comments.  They remind me of what happened to the Apostles after the resurrection of Christ, when they were together in a boat and St. John saw Jesus from afar and, recognizing him, shouted to the others: “It is the Lord.”  St. Peter was not sure, and he asked Jesus to bid him come to Him on the water if it was indeed Him they were seeing, and the Lord told him to come, etc.  The point I am trying to make is that only the Apostle John, the one closest to Jesus, recognized Him.  Even St. Peter did not, and needed a proof.  Accordingly, one needs a close relationship with Christ like St. John in order to recognize Him and hear His voice when He speaks.  Paul’s daily attendance of mass, the rosaries and the divine mercy chaplet he prays combined are probably opening his eyes as to the authenticity or lack thereof of these messages.  We know as Catholics that these and fasting are the best methods to really get close to Christ and hear Him speak to us.  In my humble opinion, Paul’s approach appears to be the best course of action instead of criticizing and rejecting these messages altogether.  You may pray and feel differently than Paul…but that’s okay as long as you pray first before criticizing.

Maria is saying there will be a wicked gesture during Holy Week. Watching for that.  I only believe in church approved apparitions but it’s interesting to read these websites.  In Lucens, Pope Francis is a Mary’s pope so all we can do is pray.

I’ll struggle to get my head through the doorway today after your gracious comments about me Fidelis, thanks. Actually I am doing that fast during monday of holy week until 3:30 on Good Friday and it’s going well. I haven’t fasted for more than a day previously and I know I’ll make it ‘for Jesus’ :-) I keep remembering that ‘man does not live on bread alone…’  I’ve enjoyed reading many of the comments because we can understand how difficult it must have been for Christ to convince people e.g. at Bethany that He was ‘who He was’ and about ‘your faith has healed you, go and sin no more’.  We all see through different eyes but the most beautiful life is when we see through the eyes of Jesus. I’ve prayed for years about the ‘immorality of the world’ in particular and yet things are becoming steadily worse. I’ve often thought that one day God will need to step in. I pray for you all that you focus on the Holy Trinity and Our Lady and all will be well.

Have I missed something or has nobody mentioned “the end of times prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi”  It seems that more and more coincidence keeps appearing in my novice research. Would someone please read and comment on this.

Pray for Peace,
Yes, I am very aware of the “end times prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi”. I am a follower of St. Francis and St. Anthony(they were friends) and St. Francis has interceded for me and miracles occured. So, if he prophecied those things, then I believe that they will happen. Maybe our Lord gave him that prophecy because that particular pope was going to take on his name. I pray that our current pope is a man of God and he is not the false prophet but I believe in St. Francis so much and love him and trust him that I believe him without a doubt. I wait on Jesus to instruct me in these end times as I believe, without any ounce of doubt, that we are living that prophecy.

Thanks, C.L.  I like the sentiments.

Thank You for your comment C.L. Funny, My Father also had an amazing thing happen as well after praying to St. Anthony. Inspiring! I am still struggling with this and praying on this. If nothing else, I have been a “lapsed Catholic” for many years. Had first communion but never confirmed. Since my renewed interest, my prayer life and interest has increased many fold. I plan to get confirmed and go back to the Church. An answer to my mothers fervent prayer for years, As I rebelled at about eleven or twelve. I am now 43. There are some things I have noticed just in this blog alone. It seems that those that oppose MDM, not all but many, are somewhat vicious and judgmental in there defense. Something I’m not seeing much of in the ones that support her. Which of these is practicing Christ like behavior? It’s sad how many Christians of ALL denominations who, granted, feel they are right, condemn other Christians so righteously. The fact is,  not one of us know the full truth of the heart of God. If one like myself was on the path of a sinful life with not much consideration of changing that and by the MDM messages was led off of that path and instead to the Church, where was the damage? My reason for the question above was to see if there were any that oppose the messages would have any thoughts on St. Francis prophecy. He clearly states that in the end times of tribulation that there would be a bad Pope that would lead us to err. It just struck me like a brick that this Pope chose his name. Sorry my writing skills are not the best, but just one more thing. At the risk of adding to the drama. 
MDM says that Pope Benedict is still leading his Church. My Wife said something interesting the other day. She said that WHAT IF it wasn’t a lie when he said that his health was to poor to lead the Church during the tribulation that he KNEW was coming. In fact, WHAT IF He knew that by stepping down many would raise an eyebrow and find it very strange and discomforting for many who would then begin to examine their Faith and the Church a little more closely? Maybe, maybe not, but isn’t that exactly what seems to be happening everywhere you look? Whether I had even ever heard of MDM or not, it surely had that effect on me. I had never heard of MDM before the Pope stepped down, because my eyes were closed.
God Bless everyone who seeks the truth. As well as those who don’t.

After one question of St. Francis of Assisi, why would my posts be considered spam? New to this stuff, is there a computer reason?

Ok, I’ll try to keep this shorter I guess, thank you C.L. One thing my wife said recently that I found interesting. At the risk of causing more drama. What if,,“IF’ Pope Benedict did not lie when he said his health was to poor to lead the Church. What IF his health was to poor to lead through what he knew was coming and He also knew that by stepping down that it would cause many who would otherwise have no interest to raise a brow and examine their Faith a little more closely and perhaps dig a little deeper in where we are and where we stand with Christ. That is what happened to me long before I stumbled upon MDM as it has with many others just in my small circle of family and friends. If that were the case, WOW! What a loving and frankly genius thing to do. The first thing I found after the election of new Pope was end times prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi which I found just looking for info on him, not because of looking for scandal. MDM wasn’t found until my interest had peeked and began looking further. I wonder how many others have been led back to Christ simply because of the resignation and the resulting interest. Regardless, it always amazes me to see the many layers of Gods communication to us. Beyond what any of us can fathom. I say we don’t pretend we CAN fathom and trust in our prayers to Christ.

Fidelis Agbaps,

You have conflated two different events from the Gospel, i.e., when Christ walked on water (Mt. 14:22-32) and, after the Resurrection, when Peter, John, Thomas, Nathaniel, et al, fished all night, and caught nothing until Christ told them to cast their net to the right (John 21:1-14).

Also, this Maria woman is a false prophetess. Please, read Mr. Akin’s post again.
God Bless!

Pray for Peace,
I, too, stumbled upon the messages of MDM by looking up information on the Internet about the prophecies of Garabandal. I am a believer in those prophecies and I was curious as to what information I could find on it through the Internet. This Garabandal information led me to the MDM messages and I started reading the MDM messages and I began praying about them and asking St. Anthony to intercede for me and to bring me enlightenment about the messages. I also asked Jesus directly during adoration of the blessed sacrament about the MDM messages.  I have asked MANY times through novenas about the authenticity of these messages and I always get the same answer…Yes. The first time I read a book about St. Francis and I read his direct quotes, I was filled with the Holy Spirit and I knew that he was a real saint. I immediately became connected to him and felt that he was my spiritual brother.  I, shortly after learning about St. Francis, began my connection to St. Anthony. I have experienced countless miracles through the intercession of St. Anthony. This all occured way before the MDM messages. So, you can get a little understanding of my spiritual relationship with Francis and Anthony. Whatever they say, it’s the truth!

What if? just what if? Jesus wanted to wake us from our slumber and help us realize that all is not well. Mabye he felt that the best way to do this was to ensure that his messages were given to us in such a way that we were not distracted by the person typing the message but that we studied only the messsage and from this responded to his call.  All I am saying is that we need to stop thinking like humans and start to see the bigger picture. I searched for the TRUTH for many months before finding MDM website and am now starting to understand the bigger picture. May Gods good grace bestow you all.

I would like to issue a challenge to MVM’s followers here. Her latest message says among other things that “[w]hatever religion you follow it does not matter because your only route to God is through Me, His only Son.”
                 
However, the Catechism states that “The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the instrument of the communion of God and men” (CCC, 780). Maria’s message seems to be a direct denial of the Church’s role in salvation, not to mention moral relativism. How do you explain her apparent Indifferentism?
                         
Beyond discernment through prayer, we must serve God wittingly, using our intellect and formation in the faith. I encourage you to look at actual Church teaching versus her messages, that you may see the fatal flaws of her message.

More at http://www.catholic.com/tracts/salvation-outside-the-church

Correction: meant to abbreviate as “MDM”. I have no idea what MVM stands for.

Thank you David B. for your civil response and critical opinion. I am trying to not dive blindly into ANYTHING without praying and doing some more studying. While I do understand some of the points opposing these messages, I also feel many seem pretty weak. Some stronger than others. I am not a Biblical scholar and can’t quote Catechism. I do feel I have a little common sense. It seems there could be endless arguments on many different issues when it comes to these topics. Again, I have only began researching in spare time for past couple months. Infallible? At what point if any would this change. I’m honestly not mocking and with due respect, I realize the extreme example, but if the Church began to teach that we should sacrifice our first born children and seemed to back it up with a couple scriptures and theology, do we obey or be excommunicated? Please don’t get me wrong, I admire those who unlike myself have not fallen from the Church and are devoted Catholics. These are just things that I’m struggling with. Anonymous? In my still new study of Fatima, I’ve found some opposition within the Church as to rather the messages were obeyed by Our Blessed Mother, at the very least, in a timely fashion. Forgive my ignorance but wasn’t she silenced from conducting interviews or speaking of or writing on the topic for the last forty or so years of her life. If so, why? I’ve found it interesting that the entirety of the messages were to be released to public in 1960 and when they weren’t, we were given Garabandal in 1961. I believe possibly out of love and another chance. Again, forgive me if I have my facts wrong but I am an uneducated carpenter with very little knowledge of these things. To a lay person who is seeking Truth, isn’t at least a little agreeable that when we ask pertinent questions that seem to make sense and have some validity, that in general we are quoted theology and Catechism of which I would guess even the educated has a hard time comprehending. It seems we are basically told to hush, don’t question, and trust us, we know what we are doing. I guess as far as the gates of hell not prevailing against, I absolutely believe that to be true, but aren’t we as Christians ultimately his Church. My guess would be that given the extreme example above, many would not obey but rather follow the teachings of Christ and therefore, as his church, would still defeat evil even if it was five people in a garage with a Bible. My personal concerns have much less to do with MDM and more to do with the state our world has been clearly headed for several years and now, if you look around, seems to be rapidly reaching a point of no return. It would be scary if we didn’t have the victory of Christ to look forward to. Again, St. Francis clearly stated that in those days Jesus would not send a Pastor but a Destroyer. Not saying that Pope Francis is the destroyer, but come on, not the least bit coincidental? Lightning strike, Not the least bit coincidental? meteorite hits Russia not the least bit coincidental? Damascus in ruins, not the least bit coincidental? News of Euphrates river drying up, Arab spring and the results thereof, I could go on and on about when you see ALL these things, look up, your redemption draws nigh. Sorry I babble. Are we not suppose to look for these things that we were told to look for. God Bless

Just as there was so much not written in the bible because there wouldn’t be enough books to hold the stories, Heaven is opening our minds hearts and souls to His imminent second coming :) beautiful stuff… Come Lord Jesus come through the powerful intercession of your Mothers Immaculate Heart and rock this world which lives in darkness. Never give up on Jesus because he never gives up on us. must go, I’m off fishing. (NZ)

“Are we not suppose to look for these things that we were told to look for.”

Pardon me for butting in, Pray for Peace, but, when were we told to look for “these things” and by whom? I don’t believe you will find such a command in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Christ gave us all that we need for salvation in the Eucharist, and the other Sacraments, which are administered by His Church’s shepherds.
Have a Happy Easter. God Bless!

Well said Paul! I wish I wasn’t so long winded and could get to the point as well as you just did. Love the “off fishing”. Maybe see if ya can catch a couple souls while your out there. :) Isn’t that what we were originally called to do. Not condemn others for questions or ideas but instead to lead them to Christ through HIS WORD and examples of living a Godly life. Personally I believe Jesus will take care of the rest. I like to believe He would love our love for him even if we had questions about certain teachings, theology and catechisms. I would have to think he would feel the Church has made mistakes in the past. Lets not get into the full history but for real. To say that EVERYTHING the Church teaches or has done in the past is without err and should be swept under the rug just turns those who He would wish to bring back to His Church colder. K, there I go again,,,loooonggg winded,,BUT, it’s because of my love for Jesus that I have sooo many questions, as I’m sure it is for all of you here as well. That said. GOD BLESS each and everyone of you!

David B.,
I am not a follower of MDM I am a follower of Jesus Christ. MDM just delivers these messages. If you think about biblical history, God punished the world and cities for their disobedience to His laws. Do you think He is going to let the world continue on its current path without stepping in? The fact that the masons have gotten into the Vatican says it all for me. They are trying to corrupt the one Holy and Apostolic Church. The remnant church must go on their own now, it all makes complete sense to me. If you seek to find the truth you WILL find it. Seek only the truth and leave your intellect behind. Common sense is all that is required.

@Pray for Peace

“That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” - Jesus Christ

“[w]hatever religion you follow it does not matter because your only route to God is through Me, His only Son.” - MDM

This isn’t a question about discipline, like abstinence from meat on non-lenten Fridays. This is a question about which of the two quotes above is to be believed. Either the Church is important, or it isn’t. And MDM’s quote suggests it isn’t. Trust the public revelation of the Bible, or MDM’s private writings? Let our yes mean yes and our no mean no.

Thank you David B,, I really do understand the significance. Prob why I am having such a difficult time. Do you have any specific thoughts on “end time prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi? ” I kinda need to hear some intelligent ideas on this from someone not following MDM. I have tried Catholic web sites and they don’t seem to discuss or teach on this topic. As I’ve tried saying, If we pretend for a moment that these MDM messages don’t exist, there seems to be a lot of evidence pointing to the fact that we really are living in an exciting Biblical time. Furthermore, if we are and it is a time when even the elect could be deceived, if it were possible, then I sure don’t wanna be deceived. LOL, one more thing, Padre Pio speaking on the 3 days of darkness said in 1950 that this war would be the beginning of these things,,That was the Korean war in which my late step father fought and was never resolved. Now we see just one more thing in our daily news that gets the wheels turning in my paranoid seeming mind. Any thoughts on that would interest me as well. Thank You David and God Bless

You are fighting against the messages of God. It is sad for me to think of how many people you are keeping away from the faith, that would have accepted this messages In reading your 9 things, I see nothing wrong with her but your spin on her messages.  When you realize what you have done, you will have weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.  I have always found you to have a very pompous attitude.

What you have forgotten to mention or intentionally left out was the daily call for intercessory prayers via the Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, The Crusade Prayers and Litany prayers for conversion of sinners and for the mitigation of evil and punishments due to the sins of the world.  There are over 100 plus Crusade prayers given to us by Jesus through “Maria Divine Mercy”. Have you read the prayers??  Do the focus of the prayers go against church teaching?? NO.  They are very much in line.  I find it extremely hard to believe that this “work” is not of God.  The devil would certainly never recommend us to pray the Holy Rosary or the Divine Mercy Chaplet.  “Maria” has not said anything against Scripture.  The antichrist, the false prophet, etc are all in Scripture.  They will happen at some point in time.  “Maria” just happens to be saying that the Lord is telling her that it is NOW in our lifetimes.
I agreed 100 % Thanks and God bless you

My dear David B., in fairness, your question takes the message out of context.  One must read all the messages to discern the meaning and intent.  I am unworthy to explain Our Lord, but I will make an attempt.  I understand the intention of the message to be that God wants to save ALL of mankind.  These calls from Heaven are not meant only for Catholics, but for all.  The Catechism of the Catholic Church & the Bible agrees with this statement in that, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.” Jesus in John 14:6.  Jesus in this message delivered through MDM, is simply restating this fact and making it clear that His door is open to those who sincerely search and yet have not discovered the fullness of truth through His Catholic Church.  Would Jesus, in His Great Mercy, in these the end days, not reach out to all of mankind?  May God’s Peace, Love and Joy be with you.

Thank you so much ellie. beautifully said. there was a reason I Was trying to point to some Catholic sources that seem to be pointing some of the same things that the messages do.

“Good Friday

My dearly beloved daughter, today My Church on earth will be Crucified.

Today marks the beginning of the changes, which will be rapid and which will come about to change the face of the Catholic Church in the world.”

...Good Friday has just passed. The Church doesn’t look very crucified to me! I think it is safe to say that these “prophecies” are now proven to be false.

Not a problem Nick, my fellow Michigander. Not sure if you misunderstood the statement or not. Isn’t a large portion of the Bible based on prophecy? Why would it would have been included if God didn’t want us to watch for “these things”. While I may have only went to Catholic School for first and second grade, I don’t remember the Catechism replacing the Bible. I absolutely believe that Christ established His Church through Peter. I also believe that it is His wish for ALL to be saved. I have nothing against the Catechism whatsoever. My point would be that if that’s the basis for every answer to those seeking Jesus, then you are going to fail to reach many souls of whom you would have otherwise brought to Salvation had you began with the Word of God verses that of the Catechism. Peter was clearly appointed to establish Christs Church and it’s easy to point out in Scripture and is understandable to those without much knowledge of such things. The same with the Eucharist. Beyond that for many, it begins to get fuzzy to the average non-Catholic. I believe that if we are not careful, we can be seen as cold and arrogant having the absolute knowledge and Truth as to everything GOD teaches. The book of revelation promises a blessing to all who read and keep the prophecies in it. Why, if we are not to look for “these things”? God Bless and you also have a Happy Easter Nick.

YOU HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO BELIEVE THESE MESSAGES FROM MARIA, FINE, THAT IS YOUR FREE WILL.JESUS SAYS IN ONE OF HIS MESSAGES THAT HE UNDERSTANDS SOME PEOPLE WILL NOT BELIEVE, BUT PITY HE WHO SPEAKS AGAINST THEM. SO MUCH EFFORT AND TIME DEVOTED ON YOUR PART TO DENY THE WORD OF GOD…THE DEVIL RELIES ON PEOPLE LIKE TO DO HIS DIRTY WORK….I PRAY FOR YOU…JOHN MURRAY

I think there has to be a lot of discernment and prayers on what a person is saying here. For let us not forget the angel of light will appear and divert our minds in judging others. So with the right prayers and grace and faith in Jesus we will see who is lying and who is telling he truth.
I have open mind myself remember folks the angel of light might try and fool us by saying one truth to then divert the next minute to fool us all . The truth will come out in the end only God knows what will happen and all will be revealed. The question if one of us here gave a message to maria divine would she believe it . Or would she then say it was fake.

p.s.  When Jesus spoke to the apostles during the formation of the early church they often could not comprehend the meaning of His words and they would go away and discuss among themselves ‘what all this could mean’ as we continue to do today.

Maria’s 45 radio interview convince me but I can not confirm her messages just as yet; her messages sound grammatically good and yet I can not confirm yet. One of these days Jesus will reveal the true of Maria to me, then I will either shout on top of the house proclaiming God’s messages or proclaiming Maria falsehood. It is interesting she claimed she is the 7th messengers or 7th angels. This, make me refresh my memory of those chosen ones that I know to be true and still alive. (1)Vassula Ryden from Orthodox. (2) Katya Rivas, a Catholic woman from Bolivia. (3) Nancy Fowler, a Catholic woman from Georgia USA. (4)Maureen Sweeney Kyle, a Catholic woman from Georgia USA. (5)Dwi, a Moslem woman from Indonesia. (6)the group from Medjugorge. (7) Father….. a Catholic priest. (8)Allan Ames, a Catholic priest from Australia. And who knows there could be a few more across the world that haven’t come to our attention.

Indeed,we have entered about 70% of The End Times, and when nuclear war erupts, as Nostradamus told me, it would annihilated about 40% of humanity. The time is near, and I should say it is within 30-60 years; then soon after that, the coming of Jesus the King of kings and humanity will be dictated by His laws.

I don’t promise… but I will ask Jesus to give me clarification about Maria.

Pray for Peace,
I hope that you had a blessed Easter Sunday. Enjoy the rest of the Octave.
Now, I encourage you to go through this long thread and read ALL of my comments, in order to better understand my views on how prophecies in the Bible are fulfilled, especially Matthew 24 & the Apocalypse.
Also, I never claimed that the CCC replaced Sacred Scripture. The CCC contains the Deposit of Faith, which is, as I’m sure you already know, comprised of BOTH Sacred Scripture & Sacred Tradition. The Word of God is not opposed to the CCC. So, I’m not sure what, exactly, was your point?
If you want to know what the Catholic Church teaches, especially about many passages of Scripture, you should start with the CCC.

Finally, for those who defend this false prophetess, Maria Divine Mercy, please read the following link by Dr. Mark Miravalle of Franciscan University of Steubenville:

http://blog.newadvent.org/2013/03/a-closer-look-at-false-prophecies-of.html

Jimmy…well Holy Week has come and gone. I have 2 questions about the MDM messages….1. she has said before Pope Francis was elected that the Pope would be showing much humility but be full of pride. This sure does sound true because this short reign of Pope Francis has really been full of many outward humble acts.. 2. the MDM messages have said that a grave insult against the Divinity of Jesus would be done. On Holy Saturday, in the showing of the Shroud, Pope Francis said, “how is it that faithful, like you,pause before this icon of a man scourged and crucified? It is because the Man of the Shroud invites us to contemplate Jesus of Nazareth”. Over the weekend I have read that people were upset that he referred to the Shroud as a “icon” and not as a “RELIC”. And in reading the Popes words, he says the “image of the man??? invites us to think of Jesus”. To me its as if the Pope is saying that the Shroud is not real, that its just an image of a man. This sure would be against the Divinity of Jesus or maybe I am just reading too much in the words. Would you have any comment Jimmy…thank you

Mr. Waligora,
The Church has never proclaimed, officially, that the Shroud of Turin is the actual burial cloth of Christ. She has wisely left this an open question, since the Shroud’s provenance is not certain, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
This was the case even before the erroneous Carbon-14 tests of 1988.
I would guess that this is the reason Pope Francis didn’t call the Holy Shroud a “relic.” The Church has never declared it to be one.
I think too many people are just waiting for something to pounce on the Holy Father for, parsing every little thing that he does. In my opinion, they have convinced themselves that Pope Francis is too liberal, being a Jesuit, after all.
They need to remember the words of Christ, in Matthew 16:18-19.
God Bless!

Robert that is indeed cause for concern I was unaware of this But MDM said that if you have eyes you would see.I really am confused my parents used to go to Garabandel some of the warnings that MDM mentioned are discribed by the visionairies is she fake or real I just do’t know.

@Ellie,

What little I have seen from MDM on the Church’s role in salvation has been relegated to emphasizing that your religion doesn’t matter. If you and others feel that isn’t an issue, then I guess the subject is exhausted.
             
However, that was just one argument against her messages. No one here has been able to deny the substance of Jimmy’s *factual* points regarding the messages of MDM.
         
There is another no less excellent examination MDM’s messages at New Advent, by Dr. Mark Miravalle, which reaches the same conclusion as to her heretical messages. I strongly urge her followers here to read it. http://blog.newadvent.org/2013/03/a-closer-look-at-false-prophecies-of.html

@Ellie,

What little I have seen from MDM on the Church’s role in salvation has been related to emphasizing that your religion doesn’t matter. If you and others feel that isn’t an issue, then I guess the subject is exhausted.
             
However, that was just one argument against her messages. No one here has been able to deny the substance of Jimmy’s *factual* points regarding the messages of MDM.
         
There is another no less excellent examination MDM’s messages at New Advent, by Dr. Mark Miravalle, which reaches the same conclusion as to her heretical messages. I strongly urge her followers here to read it. http://blog.newadvent.org/2013/03/a-closer-look-at-false-prophecies-of.html

thank you david b. for the link to newadvent and the writing of dr. mark miravalle. Thank you for the peace after reading Dr. Miravalles article.

Sorry for the double post. This commenting system doesn’t seem to like me…

Thank you Jimmy for taking the time to write this article. It is such a shame so many are following Maria and attacking you. That is what they do on Facebook too. They almost bully people or you have some who say “Have you read every message?” They dont realize it takes only reading a few to see the errors in them. I had been following these messages since the FB site had only 200 followers and have seen the followers attack those who had questions or disagreed over and over. I do not believe the message are from God, I read a message recently where Jesus supposedly almost forgot who he was in the garden of Olives because Satan was so powerful and strong over Jesus” REALLY? God would forget who he was, over Satan who God created? Really? I pray all the followers of this false Profit return home, because at this point it is looking more and more like a new religion made up by this group.

KateC,

After following this thread for several weeks, now, and seeing a certain familiarity in many of the posts that defend this false prophetess; I am fairly confident in claiming that most of them seem to be from the same person. In other words, I don’t think MDM’s following is as strong as it claims to be.
I pray, along with you, that those deceived will see the errors of their ways by using the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Yours in Christ,
Nick

  Let’s keep our skeptical wits about us and wait and watch. These messages if true are soon to happen. In particular the “warning"and the persecution to follow. And if the Vatican changes the Consecration in our liturgy to something else. These things would not pass unnoticed.

Nick, Thank you and I will follow up. I did have a wonderful Easter with my extended family which included my 101 yo grandmother. I hope you did as well. Lol, I’m not sure what my point was either, other than I have recently felt a strong calling back to the Church of which I am following up on. There are others close to me who seem to be heading the same direction. I hope you weren’t referring to me about being the same person who is defending MDM messages. I am not one. Unfortunately I happen to be a very inquisitive person who likes clear answers or at least opinions that make sense to me. It seems to me that our Lords spirit is indeed being poured out among many today. More so than I have personally seen or felt in my life time. I am just confused and struggling. Any suggestions? I don’t want to be misunderstood on how I feel about the Catholic Church. My 101 yo grandmother and 72 yo mother are VERY devoted, loyal Catholics whom I love, respect and are clearly blessed women. Some of the questions and concerns I have I would never address with them. Again, I just have many issues I am struggling with. However, I will say this, If these MDM messages are false then we need to pray hard for the followers since I don’t believe any Christian, baptist, Protestant, evangelical or ANY Christian could seriously expect to enter Heaven after crafting such a massive lie. I would think one would be better off as a thief or a murdering rapist than to create such an elaborate lie leading thousands to an absolute false teaching. So, to the followers, I would think Jesus would know the confusions this would cause and would give us something a little more substantially clear without division so as to remove some of this confusion rather than add to it. From what I understand listening to her interview, Her Bishop stated that he would address these things AFTER the warning. Sounds like a pretty good stance. If we get this “warning” then we can surely go from there. Thanks again Nick, just remember that the followers of these messages are true lovers of Christ, so even if they are wrong, we need to understand where they are coming from, not treat them as if we are better or more Holy. Not that you have, and that goes both ways. Remember, Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of a Islam girl, I’m quite sure she wasn’t lectured on CCC.

About 2 years ago, after I watched the testing of Shroud of Turin, I asked my friend Dwi, a Moslem woman in Indonesia through whom Jesus has been passing messages to, as to whether the Shroud was genuine. She had dialog with Jesus regarding the Shroud, and Jesus said: “Is it possible the body left without the skin? I wouldn’t have let My honor for the people to fight over.” Before that, I believed in Vatican claim, but with Jesus’ message I know it is not the Shroud of Jesus. I might have to look for the original messages Jesus had with the Moslem woman and post here again.

Nick, my brother, thanks for your praying along with me to find out the truth about MDM. I have learnt not to judge a thing which in unknown to me prematurely. In a few cases before I did make up my mind about a thing that I wanted to ask God, and it looks like God is not too happy if we already made up our minds about a thing that we don’t know about. It is as if God would say: “Well, if you think you are already a master, solve the problem yourself.”
It is best to leave our minds blank, without bias, ask with humility, and let the Spirit of God whispers.

May the Spirit of God be with you and those who truly want to find out the truth about MDM.

I think I agree 100% with MDM that religion doesn’t matter. Because Jesus said through a Moslem woman in Indonesia that: “Whoever knows the truth already knows Me.” “All religion acknowledges the Supreme God and teaches the good things.”

Dear author:

Regarding the prophecy of Maria Divine Mercy on the resignation nor ouster of our Pope Benedict XVI. I believe that Maria Divine Mercy were correct on her prophecy regarding this matter, no matter how you call it whether a resignation or ouster, the end result is the same - POPE BENEDICT IS longer the current Pope. Don’t take the prophecies literally, you have to dig deeper to know its meaning.

Regarding the last Pope - “Peter the Roman” re. prophecy of St. Malachy. Our new Pope selected the name Pope Francis I in recognition of St. Francis of Assisi(our new Pope admires the works of St. Francis of Assisi). Reasons that this prophecy is correct: 1.Real name of St Francis of Assisi is Giovanni di “Pietro” di Bernardone. Pietro = Peter. Our new Pope’s parents were Italian(“Romans”)= Peter the Roman.

Christ Was Baptized into His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and then said follow Me. He promised never to leave us orphans.
“No one can come to The Father except through Me.” - Jesus The Christ

I do think it strange that our Holy Father is secluded because from his writings, he believes seeking Christ in all that we do is a form of Prayer, and thus it is not necessary for our Holy Father to be isolated from us. Perhaps Maria Divine Mercy is not a prophet, but someone who had knowledge ahead of time that our Holy Father would be resigning. Anyone who can read the Signs of The Time we are living in, where so many who deny the personal and relational essence of the human person created in The Image and Likeness of God, have been allowed to remain in Christ’s Church, causing chaos and confusion while leading many astray, could predict that something is not quite right in The Vatican and perhaps we need to check in on our Holy Father and while we are at it, find out what was in those Vatileaks papers.

Pray for Peace,
I’m glad that your Easter went well! And, God bless your grandmother, too! My nana would have been 101 this year, but, alas, she went to her reward in 1990. Unfortunately, I was under the weather, so, I spent the whole weekend in bed.

I’m so glad to hear that you are feeling a strong calling to come back home to Mother Church! As far as suggestions, I would recommend the EWTN television network. Do you have cable/satellite tv? If not, EWTN.com will give you access to many of their programs. They also have a youtube channel. Have you ever heard Dr. Scott Hahn speak? He is incredible. He was raised Protestant, was anti-Catholic, and converted in the mid-1980s. You can find him at this link:
http://www.salvationhistory.com/

Of course, check out Jimmy Akin’s podcasts, on his website (jimmyakin.com). New Advent is a good site for Catholic news (newadvent.org). Catholic Answers is a great site to answer questions you might have, using their search button (catholic.com). That should be enough to get you started.

And, no, I was not referring to you in my statement about MDM defenders. I’m sorry that I was not as clear as I should have been. My apologies.
Lastly, I agree completely, this poor woman, and those who are following her, need all the prayers we can give them.
Saint Faustina, pray for us!

Yours in Christ,
Nick

Stephen,
Are you a member of the Catholic Church, my brother? Did you read the link to the article by Dr. Mark Miravalle, above? If you do, you will see that MDM’s messages contradict Catholic teachings. So, I cannot believe her, I’m afraid.
I also find it very hard to believe that a Moslem woman in Indonesia is receiving messages from Christ. As a Roman Catholic, I believe that religion matters a great deal for the salvation of my soul.
I will keep you in my prayers.
God Bless!

@James,

With logic like that, anyone can be considered “Peter the Roman”. Nevertheless, it remains that MDM is a false prophet leading Catholics to disobedience and schismatic beliefs. She and her followers need to stop spreading falsehood and sowing confusion.
           
Again, no one has offered a substantive rebuttal to the logical, orthodox commentaries of Jimmy Akin here and Dr. Miravalle at New Advent. The simple explanation for this is no one can.

Jimmy, Thanks for your always empowering views but I beg to differ as far as the MDM messages are concerned. I dont really care who the MDM person is; what matters is what is being communicated. The Catholic Church is really in a bad state today. Just look around, irreverence to the holy eucharist is rampant and about our priests, only the really blind can even begin to imagine that all is well. Satan has his sights on the Catholic Church and its priesthood, because what sure way is there to deprive souls and the entire world of divine grace!If he has reached Rome, then the Church is to blame due to the sin of Sodomy! We have opend the doors and invited him in! If Francis I is the false prophet, time will tell. I have an ill feeling about his ‘militant humility!’ I keep an open mind on the MDM messages. If Francis I changes anything in the liturgy, then I’ll know for sure. In the meantime what every Catholic and Christian should be doing is to pray, pray and pray for our priests, bishops, the holy father and all consecrated persons for their fall is our fall, their rise is our rise. God have mercy on us all!

Food for thought: The Prayer to St. Michael was composed by Pope Leo XIII after he had a vision in which he saw a fearful battle to be waged between satan and St. Michael the Archangel over the Church of the future.

\\Food for thought: The Prayer to St. Michael was composed by Pope Leo XIII
after he had a vision in which he saw a fearful battle to be waged between
satan and St. Michael the Archangel over the Church of the future.\\

This is not true. It’s a Catholic urban legend that has many forms that contradict each other. Some say he had the vision before celebrating mass, others say it was AFTER celebrating mass, and still other versions of this legend say that the vision was during a meeting with some cardinals. The date of this reputed vision also varies as widely.

The truth of the matter is that the Prayer to St. Michael, as well as other prayers after Low Mass said until recently “for the conversion of Russia” were originally said to protect the temporal sovereignty of the Holy See, an issue settled in the 1920’s with the Lateral Treaty.

\\Food for thought: The Prayer to St. Michael was composed by Pope Leo XIII
after he had a vision in which he saw a fearful battle to be waged between
satan and St. Michael the Archangel over the Church of the future.\\

This is not true. It’s a Catholic urban legend that has many forms that contradict each other. Some say he had the vision before celebrating mass, others say it was AFTER celebrating mass, and still other versions of this legend say that the vision was during a meeting with some cardinals. The date of this reputed vision also varies as widely. Yet another version of this supposed vision has Christ giving Satan the right to torment the Church for one century.

The truth of the matter is that the Prayer to St. Michael, as well as other prayers after Low Mass said until recently “for the conversion of Russia” were originally said to protect the temporal sovereignty of the Holy See, an issue settled in the 1920’s with the Lateral Treaty.

First, MDM prophesied about two years ago that Pope Benedict would be forced out and would be replaced by a false prophet.  A lot of people said she was crazy, as it would be impossible to have two living popes.  It happened this year, and people are now arguing over the peripherals, namely, whether Pope Benedict resigned or was forced out. Second, MDM prophesied that those with their eyes would notice during Holy Week by the action of the new Pope that would show he was not sent by Christ.  The new pope arrogantly disregarded the Church’s existing liturgical law and washed women’s feet on Holy Thursday, and people are now arguing whether what he did was charity or disobedience.  When The Warning takes place, I would not be surprised to see some people try to argue away that also.

Additionally, I recently read the Book of Daniel and The Revelation in the Holy Scripture, and was shocked to find that everything MDM has said are in the Bible.  I am also surprised to see the liberal media reaction to this pope, which contradicts Jesus’s own words that “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (John 15:19).  When was the last time an authentic prophet or pope from God has received this kind of love from the liberal media.  Instead of totally throwing away the prophecies of MDM, I suggest to those who are not convinced to adopt a wait-and-see attitude and pray.  By the way, google the end time prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi and you would be surprised that St. Francis said things similar to what MDM is now saying.

In sum, MDM would either collapse or rise with the fulfillment of her other prophecies such as The Warning and the dramatic alteration of the Holy Eucharist.  If these do not come true, then we can disregard her.  But if she is severely criticized and the dissemination of her prophecies impeded as some here are doing, you may end up finding out that you were fighting against God when her prophecies come true.  Instead of using some of the caustic language about her that I read herein, I suggest we pray, pray, pray some more and be patient.  Thank you.

@Fidelis Agbaps,
             
I appreciate your replies. However, I am not seeing a response to the content of Jimmy’s and Miravalle’s objections. You seem to be saying “She guessed one thing partly right, so we should wait and see”, while largely ignoring her theological errors and libelous implications against *two* popes.
                     
Concerning her accuracy, see point 6 of Miravalle’s article I linked. You said she “[will] either collapse or rise with the fulfillment of her other prophecies”. In this case, she has already failed.
   
The errors that lie at the heart of her messages are not ‘peripherals’: they are the thing itself. If you are not Catholic and you accept them, that is your affair. But if you are, then you must understand that Catholics cannot align themselves with her messages.

David B.,

I read Jimmy’s and Miravalle’s pieces and respectfully disagree with both of them for several reasons I don’t have space herein to enumerate now.  And we can never agree on this but that is okay.  What I think we can agree upon, however, is the Bible that talks of a false prophet at the end of time in both the Book of Daniel and The Book of Revelation.  MDM says this Pope is he.  You, Jimmy, Miravelle and a lot of people say the Pope is not, and in fact think MDM is crazy.  My point is because of the fruits of her prophecies (including the many powerful prayers that thousands of her followers are now saying daily, many people now going to confessions, attending holy masses and receiving the sacraments), and, importantly, because some of her prophecies that were initially discounted have come true, we should wait and see before using some of the harsh languages against her.  By the way, I read that her local bishop has said he is withholding judgment on her prophecies until after The warning.  Why not you do the same, instead of the possibility of finding out later that you were wrong all along. That’s all.  Prayer and patience is all I am suggesting.

May God Bless you all and my gratitude goes to all of whom have helped me in my personal journey. Due to the painful struggle my Soul has been fighting over the past couple of months, I believe I have MY answer. A couple of nights ago my heart was racing over these things, thought for a few that it may actually fail me. No kidding. Then suddenly,, Peace ,,.. Since the Popes resignation, I have been seeking God. The urge was so strong I felt as if two comets had collided inside my Soul setting off a fiery red struggle of Soul searching and an examination of the path my life was on and of where I thought it should be headed. This was my personal Warning. I’m not saying that there won’t be a more literal or physical Warning for all, I’m just saying that I have experienced my own. Wake up, pay attention, don’t be blind, and above all, SEEK GOD, you will find, KNOCK, He will open. Now my real journey begins. Thank You All. I think that all hearts are in the right place here, just don’t let your heads get in the way.

@Fidelis Agbaps,
           
I repeat this: You said she “[will] either collapse or rise with the fulfillment of her other prophecies”. In that case, she has already failed.
           
Please don’t equate MDM with someone like saint Faustina (as you did on Jimmy’s other pope Francis post). Faustina’s writing’s suffered translation problems among other things that were eventually corrected. MDM’s errors (e. g., the Father coming from the Son) are written in English. Her protestant millenialism isn’t a misinterpretation. Her libel of Benedict and Francis isn’t a flub. Fear, confusion, and distrust are the fruits of her message.

Pray for Peace,
Congratulations on YOUR answer. You searched for God, and you found Him. You responded to the promptings of the Holy Spirit. I hope others will be as fortunate as you to respond to the calling of God. He is always calling us to conversion but we are too busy to accept His invitation.

She also claimed that all her prophecies will come true in her life time.  This is a bold claim and a bold prophet.  So far she said Benedict would flee.  He has, no one else predicted that!  I think she’s worth keeping an eye on!

I take MDM’s messages with a grain of salt.  Because, yes, if indeed she was false about Pope Benedict XIV being the last true pope, then that would be schismatic.  And her being anonymous can indeed create doubts.  But a lot of her messages are about conversion, and going back to God, believing in Him, and renouncing evil, and praying for our forgiveness, and praying for the conversion of lost souls, etc…  Didn’t Jesus said that whoever is not against us is for us?  If the messages can help us grow deeper in our faith and in our relationship with the Lord, then why not?  But since the messages can create some doubt, then perhaps we should be also careful.  As one priest told me, the greatest revelation is that of Jesus Christ sent to us here on earth.  If these messages are truly from God, then it will live on.

Thank you Jimmy for posting this article…in my area there are false messages and prophies galore and the crazy/irrational things people will believe can be horrifying.  This longing for private and special notoriety is likely a special trial of this age of “me.”

I will try to make this my last comment. You’re all probably sick of me by now. I’m a believer that the eyes are a window to the Soul. I sometimes have a hard time trusting ones that I CAN see. Lets face it, it’s even easier for me to open my heart and Soul to you folks than it is for people I have to look in the eye. If the MDM messages were truly from God and Jesus and He truly wanted every soul to see the “truth”, it would be very easy for Him to confirm any number of ways, i.e. Pre-dated miracle, anything that would not cause confusion and fear within His Church. She claims that her staying anonymous is to protect herself and family. Do we not think that if she were the “extra special prophet”, that God would not be able to see to it that she remains protected? I happen to think God would be plenty capable of protecting her. Yes, I do believe that we are living in some interesting times. I believe God understands questions we may have. I would challenge every one of her believers, or even those on the fence to email her asking her to ask Jesus for some kind of verification that these messages are of Divine nature. I’m pretty sure I’d be able to craft some sort of answer that would make sense. Do not tempt the Lord thy God. He was asked to prove He was God during His Passion, etc, etc. The simple difference is that they were looking Him in the eye and had many eye witnesses of His teachings and miracles. Jesus did not hide out in a cave and write these things. Nor have ANY of his Church approved seers. Every single one was well known with the Holy Spirit in there eyes. Do you know the color of MDM’s eyes? GOD BLESS

For those who think MDM is authentic:  Do you not see the bait and switch?  She says PBXVI is real, Francis is flase.  She tells you to pray the rosary, go to Mass, go to confession.  Then she gives you made-up prayers which, if all prayed, would supplant the rosary.  She tells you the Mass will be false.  She gives you a magic trick so confession isn’t necessary.  She gives you a “Seal” which is absolutely unnecessary if you’ve been Sealed with Water and the Spirit..  She is selling her Book of Truth and making it sound as if you must believe her private revelation but we are really free to reject, instead of pointing you to Public Revelation’s Book of Truth—the Bible, which we must believe.  She professes obedience, but does not submit to rightful authority.  She, and her admin team, are dangling bait, that once taken, will lead you away from the Church

I am so confused about these messages.  I can see that IF she is the true prophet of the end times, then it is best she remain hidden for some time.  Does the Bible speak of one true end times prophet??  I don’t recall that. 

As of now, I am prepared with The Seal of the Living God in my home.  I don’t want to mock it.  Suppose it’s like Passover?  If she is wrong, then there’s no harm done being prepared just in case, right?  I am praying some of the prayers and staying close to The Sacraments.  She did NOT say that we don’t have to go to Confession.  She provided a prayer for those who are not Catholic.

She is not saying that we shouldn’t believe in the Pope exactly.  She says that Pope Benedict will guide the true Catholic Church.  Still though, I am not going to speak negatively of Pope Francis until he says or does something OBVIOUSLY wrong.  Other prophets have written about a “bad Pope” as well, but so far Francis seems perfectly Holy to me.  I will say that it is a little strange that he won’t wear gold, and won’t live where previous Popes lived before him, and took a name that no other Pope before him has ever taken.  I find this unusual, but that doesn’t mean he’s bad.  It could just be “how he is”.

The Book of Revelation does indeed speak of the Vatican going astray and being taken over by evil.  It ALSO says that the Church will triumph.  So is it possible that Benedict will lead the TRUE Church while the filtration of evil in the Vatican continues? 

We cannot deny that evil has made itself present there.  The abuse and hiding of abuse is shameful.  Does that mean that all Catholic shepherds in the Vatican are bad?  OF COURSE NOT, but there are some that surely are.  It makes sense that the Devil wants to APPEAR to have taken over the Church, so that the rest of the world can mock us for being Catholic.  If this is what is happening, Benedict is still around to lead us.

Please do not misunderstand me.  I do NOT think that we should fall away from the Church because of the abuse scandals.  I have many friends that have or use it as a reason why they don’t go to Mass any longer.  It is an easy excuse.  The Devil delights in all of these fallen away Catholics.  I am saying that if the evil progresses and the Eucharist is taken out of our Churches, as Maria says it will be, then I will stay true to the Mass and Church we know now.  Hopefully Maria is wrong and the Body and Blood of Christ will remain easily accessible to us.

I would LOVE to know what the visionaries of Medjugorje think of all of this.

Bringit,
“The Book of Revelation does indeed speak of the Vatican going astray and being taken over by evil”

Could you please tell me where? I’m pretty sure that Saint John’s Apocalypse says absolutely NOTHING about the Vatican.
Also, Pope Emeritus Benedict has renounced his office, therefore, he has no leadership position in the Church. Pope Francis is the Supreme Pontiff, Christ’s Vicar on Earth.

Do not listen to this false prophetess, MDM. She has falsely asserted that God the Father “comes in the name of Jesus,” the heresy of Millenarialism, that the Catholic Church isn’t needed for salvation, and, that “the warning” would happen a FEW MONTHS after May 31st, 2011.
She, and her followers, need our urgent prayers. They need the gifts of the Holy Spirit to fill their hearts, in order not to be deceived. They need the true message of Christ’s Divine Mercy.
Saint Faustina, pray for us!

  I have been following her website for awhile…as I have been following many other seers around the world. I pray that God enlightens me with the truth. We should be careful not to judge the messages, because if they prove true we would be clearly wrong.
  However we must always stand by our Holy Mother Church as she has been entrusted with the truth. So long as she remains true to the faith that has been handed down through the ages we can be sure that we, living as she teaches, are living the truth. That faith taught by Holy Church throughout the ages is as true today as it was a Thousand Years ago. We must pray and never depart from the ancient truths of our faith.
  We must pray for all of our Priests, Bishops and Cardinals that they be filled with all graces and protected from the attacks of the evil one and we must pray the same especially for Our Holy Father Pope Francis.
  And Always may we never forget that Our Lord promised that “the gates of hell will not prevail against her”

Like with all other false prophecies, they dangle these “carrots” in the form of signs and miracles that never materialize, and always with the promise that they will occur “soon”. Medjugorje has been going on for 30 years with no trace of the great “sign”. Garabandal has been around for even longer. And now MDM…Now we get a message today that says the time for the great miracle of the comet is “close”....riiiight. Again, another carrot. All the while these false prophecies cause schism and disobedience.

When will this end? No Roman Catholic needs these “messages”—we have Christ in the Sacraments. Enough!!!

Refuses to submit to superiors/authority of Church-RED FLAG
Anonymous-RED FLAG
Contrary to Catholic doctrine-RED FLAG
Calls PBXVI a liar and worse a coward,insinuating he would not stand up for the faith. RED FLAG
Another comment said this,“Do you really need these alleged messages to know to do these good things?  ” exactly. To chance following a false message not approved by the Church in order to know to pray the rosary is a real red flag.
Another comment said this,” believe they are truely from our Lord to prepare our souls for His Second Coming. ” do we need unapproved possibly false private revelation to do this? Further the comment says,” I have never been impressed with the Orthrodoxy of the National Catholic Reporter.” this is irrelevant.
Then goes on to say,” I realise that the Faith has been grossly watered down because of Apostasy within it.” Apostasy is a complete separation from the truth. Horrible Catechesis does not equal apostasy nor does it justify false doctrine no matter how well intentioned it is.
Conclusion reached; “If the Catholic vote which is partialy responsible for the reelection of Obama, 4,000 babies every day being aborted and all the other nonsense going on doesn’t make you sit up in your chair and say God has to step in,” Agree and it has made a lot of us sit up in our chairs but it’s up to God how He is going to deal with it. We do not have to fall for an alleged visionary who has not been approved.
The Church is very cautious about approving private revelation and with good reason and in obedience we leave it up to them to discern what to approve and what not to approve.As Catholics we seek truth and grace-not visions. BTW. NONE of the past visionaries have ever used a fake name or remained anonymous.She wants to protect her children?Weren’t the ones our Lady chose to visit at Fatima children? Lourdes? Their names were public. When you see red flags like this it is best to be prudent. Let the Church determine if the revelation can be approved-Our Lord always said to be obedient when He or Our Lady gave a message. Go to PUBLIC revelation. Stay away from messages that contradict the teaching of the Church. Public revelation is always approved. If the Church approves then there’s no reason not to promote and if the Church doesn’t there is every reason in the world to stay away. If you really believe these messages then Our Lady would want you to listen to the Church and wait for her approval.

this is not from the Catholic Register if you dont trust the Catholic Register; PLEASE READ!

http://warningsecondcoming.blogspot.com/
One final red flag; Maria is not the Divine Mercy. JESUS is.

this is not from the Catholic Register if you don’t trust the Catholic Register; PLEASE READ!

http://warningsecondcoming.blogspot.com/
One final red flag; Maria is not the Divine Mercy. JESUS is.

I’m grateful that you posted this information Jimmy.  I only heard about her today - that she is slandering Pope Francis and calling upon people not to follow him…we need to pray much for Pope Francis and also for this ‘maria divine mercy’ who is obviously under the influence of satan, and for those who follow her believing she is of God.

If the 3rd secret of fatima which the popes did not reveal is.j about MDM messages then this would be hard for us catholics

Let us pray to our pope francis he is to reform our church which i’m afraid it will lead to dismantle catholism.

Jack,
  The Catholic Church cannot be dismantled by any man. She is protected and guarded by the Holy Spirit and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Be not afraid!
God Bless!

“You couldn’t be more wrong, Liz.  Jesus is NOT the author of those messages.  They are NOT from Him, they are the fevered imaginings of a scam artist and heretic.  She’s not untrustworthy because she posts messages online; she’s untrustworthy because the messages contradict the Faith.  You surely need to take a look inside yourself and pray for discernment, and stop chasing after salacious prophecies.  The Bible and the Catechism may not be as exciting as her doomsday prophecies, but at least they can be trusted.” <—- disgusting and lukewarm. You’re not a Christian, so don’t tell me not to believe what I know is True. Okay? Billions will be converted because of these messages and you are SO LUCKY if you can count yourself as the few. :)

Jesus is not wrong. These are the end time messages for the world. The worldly events that are to take place will prove this. Your dastardly un-Christian attitude and lack of faith is alarming to say the least. Who is to be believed? Lukewarm Catholics with such little faith? Or the Remnant Army of Jesus Christ on earth? You’re playing things safe because you have SO MUCH PRIDE, you wolves! You wolves in sheep’s clothing!!! That you cannot see the Truth. You are so far removed from the Word of God, THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN RECOGNIZE HIS WORDS. You are so afraid of being wrong and looking foolish that you don’t accept His words. You seem to forget that MDM is not the one writing these things. She’s a career woman, she has a family. What gain does she have by supposedly writing CRUSADE PRAYERS, 100+ might I add? In her spare time? When the kids are in bed? Get real! When does anyone, a FORMER AGNOSTIC I MIGHT ADD, have time to find a spiritual director, write down Words from Jesus, Mary, and God The Most High—-all texts so deeply spiritual and some very biblical (she HAD no former knowledge of the bible)?? Who has time to cross reference these things to fool thousands? Thousands of pious people? Jesus called her to be a VICTIM SOUL. The woman had no idea what it even meant until she asked her spiritual director! It would seem a lot of you are in fact jealous of this woman! None of you show concern for the followers, you just care about BEING RIGHT, which is extremely laughable in itself because you are completely and utterly WRONG. But you’ll see soon enough, just stop leading people down your path because you are extremely lost. Open your eyes, you blind Catholics and so-called Christians! Pope Francis hides under a false sense of humility, meanwhile he is planning the religious downfall of Our Lord’s mystical body on Earth. For those not familiar with the term, that would be The Catholic Church. He subtly stabs at Our Lord but you cannot see it because you are worshipping A MAN who, if he was a real Pope, is STILL A MAN!!! TOO MUCH PRIDE! He’s not JESUS! As far as I’m concerned this breaks the 1st commandment! You WILL HAVE NO OTHER GOD’S BEFORE ME. You’re worshipping A MAN and you will pay SORELY for it! You’re giving more credence TO MEN, what MEN SAY ON EARTH as opposed to what your Eternal Father says in Heaven! Incredible and extremely foolish. Ye with little faith! Turn away now. You know not the voice of the Lord! Those who are blind to see it will soon convert so don’t worry, as a representative of THE TRUTH and MDM, and as a messenger of God, WE are not worried because you will see very soon all of things coming to pass in Your Illumination of Conscience also known as the Warning. You will taken out of your body and all the Earth will be still for 15 minutes and then return as normal. Now, people of little faith will be shaken to their cores. You will either repent, or convince yourself it didn’t happen. HOW MUCH PRIDE DO YOU SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS HAVE, not to accept this? You lack so much faith in Jesus and his Mother. You vipers of dissension have no right in my Father’s Church! His words were clear. You offend Him to the core. GET OUT NOW! The financial takeover of not only America, but all over the world and the collapse of economies is very close.. Sin is crippling those who allow it. You will see wars popping up all over the earth, and men will be powerless to stop it! You and your families will be affected by famine! And then, you will allow the antichrist to take power. This great peace negotiator will only be a temporary solution. He will claim his is Jesus Christ, but this is not possible. Open your eyes! When these things come to pass you will fall on your face and weep and weep. You will scatter among the wolves and beg for God’s protection and forgiveness! Which He will grant you if you are sincere. Do you think that My Jesus is so unforgiving, He could not forgive even the most repugnant of sinners, the most faithless and condemning of you all? Truly then this proves you do NOT KNOW HIM. Therefore your words against him are of little value or importance.

You allow the evil spirit of doubt to take hold of you and you are seriously lacking in true faith. These messages are easily discernible as the Truth, because people of great faith need little convincing. People of great faith are rewarded with DAILY miracles in our own lives for our faith. Great things have happened in my life once I accepted the Truth which was instantly. :) I don’t come out of hate and disgusting criticism. I come out of love. TOUGH LOVE. I am stern in my language and if you think the Father is not angry, and that Jesus is not angry? You are SORELY mistaken. The Father can be heard roaring in Heaven for the sins of abortion and the abominations which have now entered the Church. Did you think that these things would not happen in your life time? That would be another time you were WRONG. These messages are the sign of great Mercy from the Father. He wishes to save every one of His children, though it won’t be so. Don’t you think it hurts Him deeply to see His children go down the wayward path? Don’t you think it hurts Him to see his supposed faithful turn their backs on his words? God have mercy on you. I have special gifts from Jesus, none of which I wish to share with vipers and naysayers. But I will say, I have great conviction. I would give my life for My Jesus. He is truly a Merciful and loving God. Keep your direct, foul comments to yourself. You are only pushing yourself further, and further from God. By responding directly to me you are just playing Satan’s hand again, willingly too. I won’t say anything after this because these words are enough. Are you so twisted and sinful you cannot hear the loving call of Our Lord? Time will shake you if not these Words. Pride is a sin. When you respond so hatefully to a fellow Christian, you are not to be believed. I have just explained everything clearly to you as God permits. Go, and HAVE FAITH. www.thewarningsecondcoming.com

My beloved daughter, as the Flame of the Holy Spirit engulfs those humble souls who read these Messages, so too will be the spread of global conversion. The Holy Word of God is like a powerful gust of wind, which brings with it, and all those souls in its wake, the fruits of plenitude.

From those first seeds planted, a multitude of fruits have grown, which cover every nation, including those under communist regime.

My daughter, as My Holy Word grips the minds and souls of every creed, it will cut like a sword through those nations who turn their backs on Me, your beloved Father. So, when the hatred increases against you, know that My Holy Word, to help save souls, is succeeding,

You, My messenger, are but an instrument. This Mission is not about you. It is not about the enlightenment of your soul, for this is not My objective, although this is pleasing to Me.  You, My daughter, as the final messenger, must only convey to the world the Messages you are being given, for the good of mankind.  Your opinions, and your advice to others, are of no importance and you do not have the authority to share any such human views with others.

When the Voice of God reaches the hearts of man, it multiplies within the souls of many. It is My Goodness, as the Loving Father of the whole of humanity, which allows for these great blessings.

As foretold, great miracles will be witnessed by those who have been given the Gift of the Holy Spirit through this Mission. I bless all of those who scatter and spread My Messages, for their efforts will yield My Word like a mist, which will cover the Earth.

To those who have awaited the Gift of Conversion – those poor empty souls of Mine – I tell you now. I, Your Loving Father, promise you that I will embrace you and open your hearts when you say this prayer.

God the Father: Prayer for the Key to the New Paradise

“Dear Father, it is I, Your lost child, who, so confused and blind, that

without Your Help,  Your Love, I am nothing.

Save me through the Love of Your Son, Jesus Christ, and give me the

Key to Your New Paradise on Earth. Amen.”

Children, I will bless you and protect you. You are Mine – all of you. While I pine for you and weep for those of you who hate Me, I will use My Almighty Power to unlock your hardened hearts so that I can bequeath to you the inheritance, which I have lovingly created.

My Intervention, by revealing to you events to come, will help you to understand how much I love you. When these events unfold before your eyes, I will be waiting for you to come to Me with love and trust in your souls.

Your beloved Father

God the Most High

***The Catholic Church is now about to enter the worst persecution in its history***

My dearly beloved daughter, I wish to give encouragement to all of you who believe in Me and My Messages contained within this Book – The Book of Truth.

When man follows Me and offers himself to Me, he must emulate all of My Traits. This means that he must love all in My Name and treat every man as he would expect to be treated himself. However, when you truly abandon yourself into My Care, you will suffer for this. You will be treated with cruelty and every attempt will be made to pour scorn upon you.

I say this to all of God’s children and to Christians, in particular, for your load is the heaviest. I call out to all of those in the world who believe in Me, irrespective as to whether or not they believe that I speak to them through these Messages.

Christians will always be targeted by those who want to change God’s Laws to fit into their sinful pursuit of pleasure and selfish desires. The Catholic Church is now about to enter the worst persecution in its history and it will be turned upside down and inside out. The attack has been planned for decades and carefully constructed. How the saints in Heaven weep at the catastrophic events which will now unfold at a speed which will shock even those who do not believe in these Messages.

Confusion will result, as many sacred servants will become powerless as everything they held dear will be questioned and then overturned. They will be challenged and bullied in My Name from within their own ranks.

To those of you who are loyal to My Church on earth, I urge you to be vigilant and to uphold My Teachings if you wish to stay true to Me.  You must never accept anything other than the Truth you have been taught. Soon you will feel very alone and My poor sacred servants will become distressed for their loyalty to Me and to the Church laid down by Peter will be pulled from under them.

To all those who are traditional loyal Christians, you must stay firm and you must not accept any attempt to encourage you to abandon your faith.  You will be pushed to one side and forced to agree to educate your children in a false doctrine, not of God.

These events will now commence and I warn you of these in order to guide you. Anyone who accuses Me, through this Mission, of encouraging souls to desert My Church on earth does not understand My Instructions. I Am simply asking you to remain loyal to My Teachings when you will find that you are forced to accept a new version of the Church. This new version will not ever be accepted in the Eyes of God.

Your Jesus

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Liz,
                 
You seem to have a lot of anger, especially toward Pope Francis. I’m sorry to see you reject Francis’ papacy based on the word of an anonymous person. Please see section 9 of Jimmy’s post. Schism from the Church is not worth MDM’s messages.
                     
You also make a lot of uncharitable judgements as to the motives of those who place their faith in the Church rather than in MDM. I’ll pray for you. Please pray for me.

I’m from Brasil. Thank you for your informations. I have received Messages since 1999, but just now I had recived the Sign to revel the words of God. They are extrimilly similar BUT with graves erros because Satan is a excellent lier!! My name is Marjorie Dawe and I started in Facebook in Set. 2012, something that I never imagine, obbeying Jesus. I´m in reclusion since 2000, ‘dead for the wolrd’ as God’s desire. I´m apassioned for MARY and the Catolic Church!! I’m with Pope FRANCISCO anda have much (good) information about that. I’d like to help to bring all THE DIVINE TRUE with my fidelity and obbey to MARY and your SON JESUS. If you want, please contact me im Facebook. Will be a great pleasure.

Miss Dawe,
  A couple of questions, please. Who is your bishop? And, did he say it was okay to post this comment at this website?

there is a very interesting web site called locutions.org—if these are real you will find a good explanation on why Benedict VXI resigned the papacy.  Again this is privately revelation and we are not obliged to believe them.  Having said that when you contrast what is said in these locutions to what MDM purports Jesus saying there is quite a contrast between the two.  read them if your interested and see for yourself

The very first message I was forwarded stated “The redemption of humanity is about to begin.” I said, “Really? I thought it began two thousand years ago.” Unfortunately the person who sent it to me must really want to believe it, because they responded “I noticed that, too, but just figure it must have a different meaning.” And they never turned back, despite their having a theology degree.

Two questions for those who will reject this admonition: 1) Please describe for us ahead of time what line these false seers will have to cross in what they publish that would actually set off alarm bells in your head; and 2) Please decribe some way you could be more obsessed about following these messages?

I do agree with this article and cannot refute any of the information given by its author.  I listened to a vocal interview by MDM where she claimed that she was an agnostic and that this issue had not been recitified before the “deluge” of prophecies began. The revealing of God’s heart to one of his children comes through devoted relationship to the Father in Christ Jesus. MDM is totally out of order to profess such prophecies to be of God when there is in the stating of them such a magnanamous risk of causing such pain and fear and division among “the little ones” who do not understand these things. She has taken many things from the Word out of context and placed them into a timeline that is confusing even to those who may be more familiar with them over end-times. No human person is an angel. She has broken biblical protocol to be in contradiction to the Bible and the Catholic Church which makes her dangerous to all of Christiandom and worthy of the prayers of the saints for her salvation and God’s mercy. Finally, I do take issue with the author’s “secret club” for further informatiion. No one need run to any person for enlightenment. God gives us what we need for that through his Word. The Catholic Church deserves kudos for protecting their flock from what is truly a sham presented by the enemy himself to divide and conquer as many as possible.

I don’t have any anger. I have the truth and very soon you’ll all see there’s no need to argue with people. It does upset me however that people lack true faith in God. I’m happy David you’ll pray for me. Messengers of God need prayer just like anyone. You’ll all see. I have the biggest smile, you’ll see. In time you’ll know. if you prayed for discernment, you’d know. But yes it angers me and that is RIGHTEOUS ANGER, God the Father has it too, you think he loves Satan being spread throughout His Holy Church? You think he loves the promotion of sin in the world? killing of millions of innocent babies? Did you think he was never going to intervene? Did you think that this would not happen in your lifetime? Have you heard of Garabandal? Medjugorje? FATIMA! The messages are all the same and quite in line with MDM. It upsets me that people can’t see the sign of the times. It angers me when evil people pull scripture to justify their own evil agendas. Satan doesn’t give prayers to people to recite. Satan doesn’t give litanies. Satan doesn’t promote love. These messages are evidence of God’s great mercy to the world. These are real and you need to believe, if you don’t God won’t fault you. You’ll see in The Warning. :) Have a blessed day.

Liz
No we do not need to believe what this woman is claiming because the bottom line here is that the alleged locutions of this woman are of a private matter, they do not belong to the deposit of faith thus we are under no obligation to believe them.  The same is true for approved private revelations. 

In case you are not aware public revelation ceased with the death of the last Apostle.  We cannot add to them or subtract from them.  That is official church teaching.  Plus that is all we need for salvation. 

You might do well to follow your own council and pray for good discernment and to do so by consulting a good spiritual director to guide you.  He would know best if her alleged messages are authentic and in accord with Catholic doctrine. 

Only Time will who’s right or who’s wrong… unfortunately some of her prophecy are coming true already. So whom will I believe? Jimmy? or Christ himself? Remember He said, MDM is just a writer…(God) I am the Author… So better be careful on what you write Jimmy.

del….are you aware that her may 1 2013 message on abortion said….“murder is one of the most serious acts of defiance against God and it will be punishable by castration”....  I for one think this blog should end, as this lady is truly troubled…CASTRATION???

Really?  What prophesies?  And your response sounds very much like a threat.  Not to God like I would say.

And for the one hundredth time—-Private Revelation does not have to be believed and no sin is incurred if someone decides not to believe. 

Get to know your theology.

The main message in MDM messages is to follow Jesus Christ. That is simply the TRUTH. I believe that.

Our time is already close to end and the things to happen will be fast.

I believe the Pope has to endure the suffering until death. In my heart it is still hurting that Pope Benedict XVI has resigned. And for me he is still our Pope.

St. Malachy’s prophecy is a line of Popes and anti-popes. There is a possibility that the last will be an anti-pope, because it will be the time of great tribulation that even Satan will believe he has triumphed.

The fact is, throughout history, God has always communicated to His people through “private revelations”. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Daniel, Revelation as revealed to St. John – all of these are private revelations no different from those happening today. The only difference between the private revelations of the past and those of the present is that that those in the past were documented in the Bible.

If we simply ignore these modern-day prophecies without, at the very least, studying them and sincerely asking the Lord for the grace of discernment, we will be no different from the people during the time of
To: robert waligora, Margie
Noah. They jeered Noah and scorned his prophesied Great Flood – and ultimately paid the price (Luke 17:26-30).

In the “Graces and Mercy” prayer book, Pope Urban VIII (1623-44) is quoted as saying:

“In cases which concern private revelation, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true.” ...As if you are the only one who knows about Theology… Please remember the 8 Beatitudes! Regards! But whatever I say I know you will still not accept it. I’m outta here!

Del
You are dead wrong for the prophets you mention, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Daniel, Revelation and more all make up the Canon of the Bible which is PUBLIC REVELATION.  You need to get your theology straight. 

Also the big difference between private revelation and public revelation is that private revelation does not have to be believed nor are they necessary for salvation.  Public Revelation on the other hand is what is in the Bible and it is all we need for salvation.  Again for the 101th time Public Revelation ceased with the death of the last apostle so nothing can be added or taken away.

One of the reasons private revelation does not have to be believed is that there is much room for error in them even when they are given to Saints.  When the Church canonizes a Saint she does not guarantee the truth of the alleged private revelations. 

That is one of the many reasons why one should not center one’s life around private revelations.  They are good when approved and may be used but it is Public Revelation that should be our core. 

As for Maria Divine Mercy she claims private revelation and woe to those who don’t believe.  Plus this charlatan has not brought her alleged prophesies to the discernment of the Church.  And don’t tell me she does not have too because that too is a lie.  Who made her pope and why is she not doing so?  What is she afraid of?  If what she says is from God the Church would be able to discern.  So what has she to lose by doing so?

Del
I have studied her supposed private revelations and they have led me to believe that the spirit at work here is not the spirit of God. 
Yes in the case of private revelations Pope Urban VIII is right in what he says.  But when someone claims private revelations that contradicts the Bible, are filled with doctrinal errors, under-minds the authority of the Church and leads many astray and possibly into schism and heresy you better believe I run the other way. 

I believe in you Maria Divine Mercy. Everyone who is interested in messages that God has for the world should read the messages for themselves with an open and humble heart and pray for discernment as to whether the messages are true. Jesus I trust in you.

Amen, Amen, Amen to Rose.  In my humble opinion, it boils down to sitting in front of The Blessed Sacrament with humility and asking Merciful Jesus for discernment.  All these theological mumbo jumbo are symptoms of pride which probably are preventing many people from seeing.  MDM messages, in my opinion, are truly merciful messages from Ever-Loving God who wants to save His children from eternal damnation.

Satan can never instruct “Pray the Rosary”.

“Satan can never instruct pray the rosary”

—How do you know this?  How can you possibly know for sure what multiple levels of mental illness, confusion and demonic influence is a part of anyone’s thoughts or speech?

Surely as Satan can rub his hands together as a good priest or Christian falls to sin, there can be evil and destruction afoot in the misguided or craven claims of a seemingly-good person.

Also, I commented above that I am sure Satan will take a magical-thinking, rote-reciting, unengaged and/or dissenting populace anyday.  You can “say the rosary” and do all that, you know.

Our faith is not a set of magic tricks!!!

You are right, Romeo Madronero.  And certainly will NEVER, NEVER instruct to pray the other 100+ prayers in the Messages that invoke The Most Precious Blood of Jesus.  As I have said before, Romeo, Satan is very selfish/self-centered, and will never hate the Church at the extent of his total destruction.  The Holy Mass, The Holy Rosary, The Divine Mercy Chaplet, the daily reception of Holy Eucharist, the weekly reception of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and the over 100+ other prayers the Messages instruct us to say cannot possibly come from Satan if we have even the smallest knowledge of who Satan is.  If these are done on a daily basis, they would certainly destroy Satan.  The selfish Satan would not be so stupid as to initiate his self-destruction.  These messages are divine.

Mental illness can be used by Satan as well.  A mentally ill person can say “pray the rosary” and still say things are from Our Lord which are not.

Corita: What is it about these Messages that ignite such hatred and anger in you and other people?  The Truth?  Only the Truth can cause such anger and hatred in my opinion.  If you know very well our Catholic faith, you will agree that one cannot go wrong by attending the holy mass every day, receiving the Holy Eucharist, going to weekly confessions, praying the rosary, the divine mercy chaplet, and the more than 100+ prayers in the Messages that do not contradict the Catholic teaching, all of which the Messages encourage people to do.  Instead of telling people not to believe in the Messages, it would be prudent to ask people to continue doing all of the above, and wait to see if MDM’s other prophecies come true.  If they do not, you would have gained a lot from the prayers anyway.  Let me ask you, if the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter tells you that gay marriage is okay, certainly you would not follow him just because he is the Pope.  The Messages say we should always be obedient to Jesus Christ and never follow teachings that contradict His Teachings in the Scripture.  I don’t see what is wrong with that.  So, please cool down and lets continue to pray for the Church.

There is no hatred or anger! Plenty of people with simple, pure faith do all of those actions of faith and I am sure that Our Lord reckons it unto them as righteousness.  But I just wanted to point out that the fact that someone says “pray the rosary” does NOT mean they must be speaking truly in every way.  This woman could be ill or in some way vulnerable to Satan’s desire to use us *All* for destructive purposes.  And I do think it is possible that he would try to get people praying in a particular way that will make them think that all they do: prayers, mass, etc., will **make** something happen as if WE are the source of all goodness, as if OUR actions are the source of saving power.  They are not.  We pray to open ourselves to drawing nearer to Our Lord. Not to create some magical effect by which we can be saved. Look around, the world is full of people who spoke about prayer, the rosary, Holy Mass, obedience, etc….and still went off the deep end of personal sin, pride, and LEADING OTHERS ASTRAY.

I don’t know whether Maria is sick, confused, evil…or truly receiving messages from Our Lord.  In the end, it doesn’t matter.  What does matter is that we not fall asleep in our own comfortable “piety”....

Catholicism offers us a rich wealth of traditions, prayers and sacramentals but they are not the way we are saved.  Jesus is.

For those who talk about public revelation, consider that the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation are parts of the Public Revelation. But The Books of Revelation and Daniel talks of the false prophet at the end time.  MDM says this Pope is the false prophet.  Others say she is crazy but consider this.  The Bible talks of the antichrist and the false prophet in purely moral or religious terms, as individuals who would lead people into moral errors.  If a false prophet were to be a political leader, even from powerful offices such as the Presidency of the United States, he would lack the authority to lead people into moral errors.  Without a doubt, he would be easily dismissed by being asked to render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and focus on political matters for which he was elected, and to render to God what belongs to God by leaving moral matters to men whose entire lives are dedicated to service of God.  Accordingly, the false prophet is unlikely to be a political leader or an individual with no discernible connection to religious or moral leadership.

In the religious arena, there is no pre-eminent moral voice and authority on earth on moral and religious issues like the Pope.  The Archbishop of Canterbury?  Most people don’t know who he is.  The head of the Methodist Church?  Never heard of him or her.  The head of Islam?  They don’t have one.  The Chief Rabbi of Israel?  Never heard of him.  According to the Book of Revelation, the false prophet would come from Satan. If you were Satan, where on earth would be more powerful to plant the false prophet than on the Chair of St. Peter?  People argue that Christ would never allow Satan to do such a thing.  MDM , St. Francis of Assisi, and many other mystics said Christ specifically would allow this to show his love and finally root out Satan and his cohorts.  This would be the final battle between God and Satan and I honestly believe it has already started.  Time will tell who is right.

Corita: Ask yourself: what would the goal of Satan be if he is really putting MDM up to this?  To cause schism in the Church and destroy the Catholic Church?  Don’t you know that if that were the case, that Satan would be fooling himself because the prayers he is giving, if said by people, would certainly prevent his goals from becoming realities?  But we know that Satan is wiser than this.  Think about it.  A house divided against itself cannot stand.  Like I said, even if the messages are coming from Satan, if you say the prayers anyway you gain everything and Satan loses everything.  Thus, there is no harm in saying the prayers in any event, whether MDM is mentally ill or being put up to this by Satan.

I never said there is anything wrong with saying prayers.  But “saying prayers” is not the same, necessarily, as praying.  I just wanted to point out that a person who says pious words is not necessarily speaking from God.

As a Catholic, it nauseates me to think that a Pope could be the false prophet.  But instead of wasting our energies arguing on whether the current Pope is or is not the false prophet, I humbly suggest we intensify our fasting and prayers because we know what powerful weapons these can be against Satan.  Moreover, God’s mind can be changed through prayers. Personally, when I pray to Jesus and read MDM’s messages, I have not doubt that the Messages are divine.  Others may disagree but at least we can all agree to pray, regardless of who is right or wrong.

Satan will do anything to suck people into his lies even appear as Jesus. So yes it is not beneath him to tell you to pray the rosary, the divine mercy etc…if by doing so you will fall for his lies.

divine????prove it beyond your personal opinion.

Fidelis

MDM should follow her own advice about obedience to Jesus and never allow teachings that contradict teachings in the Scripture.  Scripture is very clear about Jesus saying that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church and that the Holy Spirit would be there to the end of time to guard the church against error yet this woman or what ever she/he is claims this pope is a false pope who will introduce error.  Give me a break.

The same Scripture in Daniel and Revelation says there shall arise from Satan a false prophet in the end time who, with the AntiChrist, will lead people into error but that both will be defeated.  While the false prophet will try to introduce error into the Church, MDM has been consistent that the false prophet will never prevail at the end.  And this is certainly consistent with Jesus’ saying that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church. So, MDM has never said anything contrary to Scripture.

Margie:

Is it possible for you to hate your enemy so much that you are willing to self-destruct to get at him or her?  Most reasonable people would not do such a thing.  And even if some people might, Satan certainly will not because he is the egotistic !@#$% who loves himself so much that he thought he should be God.  In this regard, think of what the rosary is.  One of the promises of devotedly praying the holy rosary everyday is that it keeps Satan away from you and your family.  Why would Satan want people to think he is Jesus by asking people to destroy him through daily recitation of the rosary.  Better still, we Catholics believe that Jesus comes down in the Holy Eucharist, Body and Soul, during mass.  Why would Satan want people to think he is Jesus by asking them to attend mass everyday, which would bring about his destruction?  Or to go to confession, the Ocean of Divine Mercy through which we are reconciled with God, which would make Satan powerless over us?  Or to recite the other powerful prayers, such as the Divine Mercy Chaplet at 3pm, the Hour of Divine Mercy when Jesus promised that nothing shall be withheld?  It does not make sense, as Satan certainly would not want to self-destruct just to make us think he is Jesus.

Fedilis
Actually MDM has said many things that contradict scripture and the teachings of the Church you are just to blind to see it.
Yes, Daniel and Revelation do talk about a false prophet who with the anti-Christ will attempt to lead many astray and as you say “may” try to introduce error into the church but will not prevail.  Of course error will not entre the Church that is why Jesus gave us the Pope whose office is protected by the Holy Spirit from error.

Actually if you paid closer attention you would see that there are many false prophets today who, if they could, would have the Church teach error.  Guess what?  None have succeeded and none will. MDM is sly she says many things but mixes truth with heresy and those who follow him/her or they fall for her messages hook line and sinker.  I wonder if any of her followers have a mind of their own because from what I have read you are all follow her like puppets on a string.

I present a challenge to you and all those who follow her to take her alleged “book of truth” and present it to your local bishop for discernment. What do you have to lose?

Margie:
I believe the Messages are divine because of the fruits—the instructions to go to mass daily, say the rosary daily, fast once a week, go to confessions once a week, say the divine mercy chaplet, plus the more than 100 other powerful prayers given via the Messages.  Link to the one below and tell me how such a beautiful prayer could have come from Satan and what the purpose of that would be. In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus asked His Apostles to pray “so they are not put to the test.”  They did not listen.  They slept instead.  And so when they were tempted, they failed because they were not praying and fasting and as a result did not have the Holy Spirit and His fortitude to stand with Christ.  It wasn’t until during the Pentecost, after they had prayed and fasted with The Blessed Mother in the Upper Room, that they received the Holy Spirit and the fortitude to preach Jesus without fear.  Jesus prayed and fasted for 40 days and crushed the Satan when he tempted Him.  The disciples did not fast or pray and so succumbed to Satan when he tempted them.  How can Satan ask people to pray and fast, knowing he would be crushed if people prayed and fasted?  Again, Margie, the fruits.  Satan can never ask people to pray and fast. 

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/crusade-prayer-102-to-sustain-faith-and-belief-in-gods-message-for-the-world/

Fedilis
Satan definitely does not love himself, he is the personification of egoism, and pride and hatred but love is not one of his attributes.  Satan hates God to the nth degree and would do anything to rob Him of souls even present 90% truth so he can insert his 10% lies.  Satan has already self- destructed but in his pride he can’t see that and he will be defeated a second time.  Still in his stupid pride he thinks he can win.

Again Fedilis take her alleged messages to your priest, better still to the local bishop and see what he has to say about her messages.  After all it is to the Church that we must present this stuff to and not to private and emotional interpretation.  Protestants do that and where has it led them.  Into 30,000+ denominations all preaching a different gospel.  So the only thing that will come out of having the bishop look at her prophesies is that one side will be proven wrong and the other right. 

Margie:
Actually, I read that the local Bishop knows about MDM and is withholding judgment until after The Warning.  If this is true, I think it is a very prudent decision in this situation.  The Warning is the most important of MDM’s prophecies that will either shut her detractors up if it does happen, or will show her as a hoax if it does not happen.  She is very particular about what will happen during The Warning and I think her local bishop is wise to wait until after The Warning to comment.  This is also what I tell people to do.  Continue to say the prayers and wait.  If her prophecies do not come true, you gain a lot by going to mass and praying.  But if they come true, you may find out you were fighting against God if you were criticizing her.  Would not be a good position to be in.

Fedilis
Just because you believe something is true in your heart does not make it true.  Mormons believe “the book of Mormons” is the whole truth because they get a warm feeling in their heart when they read it.  We all know the book of Mormons is filled with heresy and falsehood.  So feelings are a poor criteria for discernment.  That is why Jesus gave us the Church and the Magisterium to guide us in all truths.  Again that is why her messages need to be brought to the proper Ecclesiastical authorities for discernment.  Our personal feelings on things are very subjective and prone to error that’s why we need the Church in such matters.  If you don’t believe me check it out with your parish priest. 

Margie:

At least we agree that the Bible talks of the false prophet from Satan at the end of time. MDM says it is this Pope.  People like you disagree with her.  Even if you think she is wrong, lets agree to intensify our prayers for the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter and for the Holy Mother Church.  Saying the prayers while we wait to see whether or not The Warning occurs is not a bad strategy for believers and non-believers of MDM Messages.  It does not hurt anyone.  So let’s at least agree to pray and wait because we can never agree on this.

Fedilis
What a bogus claim, the Bishop is waiting until after the Warning to make a judgment.  B S that is not how the Church operates.  Give me the name of the bishop and I will personally contact him. Put your money where your mouth is. 
I gather from all this that there is a fear that just maybe you all may be wrong and can’t face up to that otherwise why the resistance to having your priest whom you know and has a name or your local bishop whom you know and also has a name. what are you people afraid of??????

My dear Margie: Just because you do not believe something in your mind does not make it untrue.  About 2000 years ago, a Man sent by God was brutally crucified in Jerusalem because people did not believe He was The Son of God.  That man was Jesus, and today you and I know better.  I did not make any claim about MDM’s Bishop; I told you I read somewhere that her local Bishop was taking a wait-and-see attitude, and I told you it was a prudent decision if that were the case.  But be careful of saying something is untrue because it has not been authenticated by the Church.  Some decades ago, the Vatican banned the Divine Mercy Chaplet.  Today, Sr. Faustina is a Saint and millions of Catholics say the Divine Mercy Chaplet daily.  So, the Divine Mercy Chaplet was never at any time untrue, even in those years when it was banned by the Vatican.  These things take time and MDM started receiving her Messages just in 2010.  As I said, go to mass, go to confessions every week, pray the rosaries and the Divine Mercy Chaplet and the other prayers and you will never lose at the end, regardless of the authenticity or lack thereof of the Messages.

Another poor argument in favor of MDM.  What you fail to realize that St Faustina’s work was put on a moratorium because this Saint had a grade three education and in her writings there wer no punctuations making it difficult to decipher her messages.  Plus what did she do ?  She presented her messages to the Church and left it to them to determine their authenticity, something MDM is not doing that and then makes some bogus claim that a bishop with no name is going to wait until after the warning.  Hogwash!  Also her prediction about the time this so called warning was to happen has come and gone and you people are still waiting. 
And speaking of prudence, the prudential thing to do is to have this work presented to the ecclesiastical authorities for discernment.  That includes you taking her book that you are reading and having your priest or bishop read them for discernment.  I get the feeling you are not willing to do that.  I WONDER WHY????

This is part of MDM’s May 2, 2013 message:
Soon, many of you will see clearly what I have warned you about. The schism will be vicious and a war will ensue between Truth and lies. It will bring the Catholic Church down, until it resembles a heap of stones, but the One True Church will remain standing tall, as My faithful servants build up My Remnant Army. They will fight until the bitter end to uphold the Holy Word of God.

Your Jesus

What nonsense to think that Jesus would bring down the Catholic Church, His Church, until it resembles a heap of stones, but the one true Church will remain standing.  REALLY!  THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH.  THESE RANTINGS CAN ONLY COME FROM THE FATHER OF LIES AND MDM IS A PAWN IN HIS HANDS. 

WAKE UP TO REALITY ALL YOU WHO FOLLOW HER.

Ifwe are to wait and see… What then should we think of all the failed prefidictions that ha r occurred already? Benedict XVI wasn’t forced out, but resigned due to health reasons. He isn’t being tossed out of the Vatican, improsoned, or marked for execution, or combatting heresy with the new pope. He is retiring to a monastery in the Vatican. There is no apparent animosity between him and Francis. I’ve yet to hear anything heretical fr Francis.  There was no hateful sign visible to the whole world during Holy Week. There are no apparent massive changes to the Church or her doctrine materializing. The Warning has not occurred… How many different ways must it fall down?

Although there will be some, like The Good Thief and The Centurion, who will come late to The Fold and be converted, outside The Body of Christ, there is no Salvation. It is through, with, and in Christ, in the Unity of The Holy Spirit, that The Catholic Church, The Body of Christ, exists.

Debra
Thank you. Your point is well taken.  If the followers of MDM spent as much time reading the Bible as they do MDM"S alleged messages they might have a more enlightened mind.  How many times does MDM have to fall on her face when her supposed predictions don’t come true before her followers realize she is nothing but a charlatan getting rich on their gullibility.  Don’t tell me she/he or they are not making money with the sale of the so called book of truth. 
Yes praying the rosary and the divine mercy chaplet and receiving our Lord in the Eucharist are all good things.  but they should not be used as a ruse to draw people into schism and heresy. 
MDM is using these to pass on her lies.  That’s exactly what Satan does so we should not be fooled by her subtle ploys.

If nothing else, it’s also clearly against Church teaching to presume a duly elected Pope to be a false pope based on some anonymous person’s uncertified and unapproved prophecies. We are called to obedience.

Margie:

To date, MDM’s messages total 789.  For every single one of those you pick to criticize and show she is inauthentic, I can pick hundreds more to show the wonderful fruits of her messages and to establish her authenticity.  You cannot read the Word of God literally.  Even the Bible which we all believe is divinely inspired, I can pick things there that may not comport with my Catholic belief if they are read literally.  To be able to understand the Word of God with our human minds, one needs to approach God naked, and with a childlike humility and ask for discernment.  With regard to MDM’s messages, a lot of people have been doing that.  They gather every week in front of The Blessed Sacrament exposed in a monstrance in a Church to pray.  They begin with the holy rosary, then all of the 100+ of MDM’s Crusade Prayers, and end with the Divine Mercy Chaplet.  These people continue to increase in number everyday all over the world.  I suggest you try it and then follow whatever counsel you get directly from Christ Himself.  He will NEVER fail you.

Debra:

The Holy Bible, which I hope you believe to be divinely inspired, talks of the end time false prophet who will lead people into error.  What if the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is that false prophet?  Is it beyond the realm of possibility for this current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter to be that false prophet?  If you believe that the Bible is the Word of God and so must be fulfilled, then the false prophet must appear at some point in the history of humanity.  What if this is that time, and he has already appeared?  The problem most people are having is accepting that these things could be happening in their lifetime.  It is like saying, Christ will come again, but that he will never come in my lifetime.  What makes you think so?  Again, let us pray for him and the Church because prayer and fasting are our greatest weapons against Lucifer and his cohorts.  Even if you don’t believe any of MDM’s messages, you will not lose a thing by praying and fasting.  In fact, you may gain everything by following her instructions to fast and pray.

Nancy D wrote: “Although there will be some, like The Good Thief and The Centurion, who will come late to The Fold and be converted, outside The Body of Christ, there is no Salvation. It is through, with, and in Christ, in the Unity of The Holy Spirit, that The Catholic Church, The Body of Christ, exists.”
Nancy D, this is not the current teaching of the Catholic Church.  On this issue, the Constitution of the Catholic Church states: “The Catholic Church professes that it is the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church of Christ; this it does not and could not deny. But in its Constitution the Church now solemnly acknowledges that the Holy Ghost is truly active in the churches and communities separated from itself. To these other Christian Churches the Catholic Church is bound in many ways: through reverence for God’s word in the Scriptures; through the fact of baptism; through other sacraments which they recognize. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church.”

Fedilis you are quite a piece of cake.  Pope Francis a false prophet?  The man who was legitimately elected by a legitimate conclave, a pope who on May 13, 2013 is going to consecrate his papacy to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and you have the arrogance to consider him a false prophet because MDM says so.  A man whose simplicity of life and his humility has touched the world!  THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-POPE OR A FALSE PRPPHET BUT A MARIAN POPE.
MDN may say many Catholic things but she is not a lover of the Catholic Church.  And the fact that she has far too many doctrinal errors in her messages makes her a fraud.  God does not deal in error one iota. 
As I mentioned in previous post TAKE HER ALLEGED MESSAGES TO THE LOCAL BISHOP FOR PROPER DISCERNMENT AND QUIT PLAYING POPE.  YOUR PERSONAL OPINION IN THIS MATTER DOES NOT AUTHENTICATE HER MESSAGES. 
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT WHY YOU ARE SO RESISTENT TO HAVING THE PROPER ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITIES LOOK AT HER MESSAGE.  SHOULD I MAKE AN EDUCATED GUESS?
ONE FINAL NOTE—SOME PEOPLE PRAY LIKE AN ANGEL BUT HAVE THE PRIDE OF SATAN. 

Thanks, Margie.

Response to Mark posted Sunday March 3rd. Mark are you not aware that Satan has ears he can hear our conversations and I’m sure our beloved Benedict did speak to someone about his thoughts of resigning perhaps even his brother George. Wake up and see the smoke and the cunning of Satan. This is not the first time he has used a foolish soul to try to mislead God’s people.

Bonnie, the franciscans of Medugorje have always obeyed their bishop even though he doesn’t believe in the apparitions. They organise a prayer program in their parish to accomodate all the visiting pilgrims who come to pray, confess and renew their faith in Jesus Christ. They are in full obedience with the Catholic Church and fully support our Holy Father the pope. There is nothing about the shrine of Medugorje that is conflict with the teachings of the Church. It is a place of private revelations which is under investigation by the Vatican which is more than can be said about MDM who hasn’t even made herself and her material available for investigation by the church. Obedience is the name of the game and if there is no obedience which of course there can’t be when the so called visionary hasn’t even submitted herself to the scrutiny of an investigation, then it smells of pride. Pride doesn’t believe that it needs the approval of the church. If you read any of the lives of the saints you will find that they all have one thing in common and that is obedience to their superior whether it be in the religious life or their spiritual director.

Bigmo, everything you said about submission to the Church authority for scrutiny and investigation are accurate, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL. But it does not appear that all things are equal in MDM prophecies.  First, MDM claims in the messages that she is only required to transmit the messages verbatim, without any changes.  If you believe that our All-Knowing God is the author of her messages, you must also believe that there must be some reason known to God why MDM has not been asked to submit her messages to the Church as usual.  If God is the verbatim author of the messages and she is only following instructions, she cannot, therefore, be accused of pride for following God’s instructions.  Second, it will be impossible for the Church to investigate her because an important core of the messages impact the Church leadership negatively.  You have to look to the Books of Daniel and Revelation which said a false prophet will arise in the end times and lead people into error.  If the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is that false prophet, how can the Church investigate MDM in this situation?  Indeed, given the prophecies about him by MDM, how can any bishop investigate MDM without running into trouble with the Vatican?  So, ALL THINGS ARE NOT EQUAL in this situation.  And for those who doubt that a Pope could be the false prophet, if the Bible says this will happen, that means God is saying He will allow it to happen.  The problem is whether allowing a false prophet to arise as a Pope contradicts Christ’s promise that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church.  Not at all.  The Bible says the false prophet will be defeated and cast into hell with the antichrist.  And MDM is also saying that the false prophet will never prevail.  So there is no contradiction.

fidelis

You will do anything to try to prove your point even twist things.  let’s look at it this way.

If I were the devil at this point in time I would do everything in my power to discredit the priesthood, the authority of the bishops, undermine the Holy Father’s authority, sow doubt in the Magisterium, and attempt to make the faithful believe that they can only rely now upon their own inner instincts and private revelation ei MDM.  THAT IS A VERY GOOD RECIPE FOR DECEPTION.
ALSO THE IDEA OF A FALSE PROPHET WHOM MDM CLAIMS FRANCIS IS, is a dangerous notion that could undermine believer’s trust in the chief shepherd appointed by Christ, particularly in these dark times where false prophets are increasing exponentially. Your twisted reasoning has no biblical foundation and contradicts Church Tradition.
Oh, and by the way this “false prophet” is dedicating his pontificate to the OUR LADY OF FATIMA TOMORROW MAY 13, 2013.
Another thing all the canonized saints in the history of the Church who have received private revelations HAVE ALL SUBMITTED THEIR MESSAGES TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH! Why?  Because in their humility they did not trust their own judgment in such matters and knew the Church had the charism giving to her by Christ to make such judgments since they had the guarantee of the Holy Spirit to guide them.  so they knew that the Church was in a better position to decide their authenticity. 
Getting back to your ridiculous statement that ‘there must be some reason known to God why MDM has not been asked to submit her messages to the Church as usual.  The only reason that exists in your mind! I say this because I find it extremely hard to imagine that God all of a sudden would not require the same from this charlatan.  You fail to see that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.  The Church He established is still the vehicle He uses to transmit God’s immutable truths.  And the same criteria for discerning any alleged messages lies within this Church, yesterday, today and tomorrow until the end of time. 

Margie: Let’s focus on the issues and avoid calling people names, even if you disagree with them.  You will at least agree that Christ would never like that, even if you think you are right.  Your point is well-taken, except that you forgot one thing: the devil cannot hate the Church more than himself.  Yes, it is possible for the devil to try to discredit the Church, but not at the expense of his annihilation by instructing people to also go to mass, receive Holy Communion, go to confessions every week, pray the holy rosary and the divine mercy chaplet everyday, fast, and attend Eucharistic Adoration everyday.  If you know what these fasting, sacraments and prayers would do to the devil, you will agree that he would never, never instruct people to fast and do them.  By their fruits we shall know them.  Doing all these would destroy the devil, without a doubt.  But the devil cannot want to discredit the Church so much that he ALSO instructs us to be doing these things, knowing they would destroy him.  As Christ Himself admonished us, a house divided against itself cannot stand.  Additionally, you seem to focus so much on the outward demonstration of humility by the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter.  But you forget that the devil is very cunning and most likely would like us to think he is something he is not, as the father of all lies.  I wonder the last time in your lifetime or prior that a successor to St. Peter was widely acclaimed and welcome by the liberal media who hate almost everything the Church stands for and teaches: heterosexual marriage, anti-abortion, premarital sex is wrong, etc.  They will hate you, because they have hated me first, Christ said.  Again, Margie, I have never hidden my opinion that MDM’s messages are divine.  But I have also made clear that it came from fasting, spending two to three hours everyday before the Lord in the Holy Eucharist and asking, among other things, for His discernment.  You forget that Christ is the Church, and that He told us He would allow a false prophet at the end of time. MDM says the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is that false prophet.  If you truly believe that Christ is present in the Holy Eucharist, approach Him naked, and with childlike humility as most of us have done, and ask for His Gift of Discernment.  Then, as Mother Mary tells us, do whatever He tells you.  He will NEVER disappoint you.

Who keeps making up all these “rules” about what the devil can or cannot do? They sound identical to the “rules” made up by atheists about what a “good God” would do or never do. And have no more credibility either.

Fidelis.
Point number one—the devil has absolutely no love in him, for the church for you or me or for himself or for God.
Satan made the ultimate choice of believing that he is more powerful than God, and therefore was cast into Hell for attempting a rebellion. He will never ask forgiveness, because he believes he is still powerful.  His ultimate goal is to put our world under his control, and have us humans forever wallowing in sin and misery with no way out. “
Not only does he hate himself, he despises himself; he knows very well that he is the cause of his eternal state.
He is hatred personified and Satan forces hatred and suffering and will use any means to try to accomplish his plan to destroy the church and draw who he can into his hell of hate.  And yes he will use the sacraments, the mass etc..because if by doing so he can cause dissention and disobedience..  Remember he tempted Eve to disobedience by offering her an innocent fruit which he claimed would do no wrong.  We all know what a lie that was.
Point number two—in his pride Satan will not and cannot admit defeat.  In his arrogance and pride he will use the things of the church to steer people to disobedience and to have them under mind the authority of the pope and the hierarchy.  Why?  Because if he can convince people that they can legitimately disobey the authority of the Church and still be outwardly good practicing Catholics he has won them over to his side.  Look at some of our supposedly good Catholic politicians who go to Church receive the sacraments yet support abortion, homosexuality and euthanasia.  How many other supposedly good Catholics pick and choose what to believe and reject what does not fit into their life style and also reject the authority of the Church to guide them.  Believe there is nothing beneath Satan.  And these sins are sins of disobedience.  That is why the sin of disobedience is so terrible because it is a revolt against God.
Point number three—Christ is the head of the Church and we make up the body of Christ and as such we are joined to Christ.  Plus Christ gave Peter and the Apostles the power and authority to carry our His work.  And He commanded them to make disciples of all nations.  God rules, instructs and sanctifies His people through His Church.  Under her teaching office the Catholic Church preserves the Word of God intact for the Church alone is the custodian, keeper, dispense and interpreter of the teachings of Christ.  And the Church does this under the protection of the Holy Spirit. 
As for the pope or any legitimately elected pope being a false prophet, hogwash.  A false pope or false prophet is just what it says, FALSE, this person would not be a legitimately elected pope. 
MDM’s message are DEFINITELY NOT DIVINE THEY ARE DIABOLICAL and the schism she talks about is going to be a self-proclaimed prophecy for she is definitely leading people in that direction.
Another point to consider—MDM says this pope is the false prophet.  Well consider this,  Pope Francis’ papacy is being consecrated to the Virgin of Fatima.  And who is this woman but the Blessed Virgin Mary.  In Revelation she is the woman who will crush the head of the serpent.  Do you for one moment believe that a false prophet would put himself under the protection of this WOMAN who will do battle with the ancient serpent and crush him?  Not likely for if Satan fears anyone he fears Our Lady. 
By the way calling your ideas ridiculous is not name calling it is simply stating a fact.

Although the gates of hell will not prevail, The Catholic Church is already being undermined by the multitude of persons who have left Christ’s Church spiritually, but have been allowed to remain in His Church physically,causing chaos and confusion as they lead many astray. If it is true that Pope Francis made the statement in regards to same-sex unions on page 117 of his book, On Heaven and Earth, then Pope Francis, at the time of the Papal election, was not in communion with The Catholic Church, and thus his election is not valid.

Let us Prayer that Our Blessed Mother will heal the schism in her Son’s One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, from the beginning.

Nancy
I thing you are misinterpreting what Pope Francis, the then Cardinal Bergoglio was saying in his dialogue with Rabbi Skorka. 
Rabbi Skoka very clearly states that Judaism prohibits sexual relations between two men.  Further he states that in Genesis the ideal is the union of a man and a woman and that Jewish law is clear—homosexuality is not allowed.  After stating that he goes on to say ‘on the other hand I respect everyone as long as they are modest and keep their private lives to themselves .  To him the new law (legalizing homosexuality and raising it to the level of marriage) “makes no sense from an anthropological point of view…and worries about what the result of these changes in the core values of our society”.
On page 16 Bergoglio now Pope Francis agrees with this.  And at some point Bergoglio states that “we know that in times of momentous change the homosexual phenomenon grew, but in this period, it is the first time that the legal problem of assimilating it to marriage has arisen, and this I consider an anti-value and an anthropological regression’.  In other words our culture, our society is regressing not progressing.  He continues “now if there is a union of a private nature, there is neither a third party, nor is society affected.”  So he is saying what Skorka said that if they (homosexuals) keep their private lives to themselves society is not affected.  But when they start demanding the right to marriage and have their relationship put on a level of that of a marriage between a man and a woman then you now have ‘a third party involved and society is affected’. 
Bergoglio, now Pope Francis also criticized first the judge whose opinion (about homosexuality) was being used to change the law something Bergoglio reminded the justice that she had no right to alter yet that is what she was doing.  Bergoglio also criticized the government for not protecting the law since he too had no right to transfer his personal convictions to law.  At this point Bergoglio states that “in no moment did I speak disrespectfully about homosexuals, but, yes I did intervene and point out a legal issue”.  This is telling us that Bergoglio while against the legalization of homosexual unions believes they have a right to be respected as persons.
So you see Bergoglio/Pope Francis is not in conflict with church teaching but in union with the Church’s position and opposition on the legalization of same-sex unions while respecting their dignity as persons. 
AND YES HIS ELECTION TO THE SEAT OF PETER IS VALID SINCE IT TOOK PLACE WITHINH A LEGITIMATE CONCLAVE AND BY LEGITAMATE CARDINALS WHO MADE UP THIS CONCLAVE.
In an interview with Chris Mathews this reporter very pointedly reminded Bergoglio that he was punished for his opposition to same sex marriage in Argentina and that Bergoglio also opposed free contraception and so the government exiled him.  Mathews asks him “what do you have to say about that? To which Bergoglio responded I AM CATHOCIC.
NEED I SAY MORE IN DEFENSE OF THIS MAN’S POSITION ON THESE VITAL CATHOLIC ISSUES AND ON THE VALIDITY OF HIS PAPACY.

Margie:

When you call MDM “a charlatan,” that is name-calling.  Also, calling someone’s idea “ridiculous,” a “hogwash,” etc.  These are not how Christ would treat people who disagree with Him.  Please let us make it about Christ and treat with charity others we may disagree with, even if we think we are right.  Back to your issue, your descriptions of the qualities of Satan are accurate, except that you omitted one important one, namely, that Satan is very smart.  Assuming, for argument sake, that Satan is putting MDM up to this, and that the ultimate goal of Satan is, as you said, to make people to disobey the Pope and thereby cause schism in the Church, why would Satan choose the most certain means to make his goal not come true—by asking people to attend holy mass, receive holy communion, pray the rosary and the divine mercy chaplet, go to confessions every week, attend Eucharistic Adoration everyday, fast, and say the 100+ beautiful prayers it has given?  Satan may be all the things you said in your piece that he is, but he is also too smart to know that the best way not to realize his goal of causing schism in the Catholic Church is if people do all the things he is asking of them above.  Accordingly, Satan would never, never, ask people to do all of the above if his goal is to cause schism in the Church, because the prayers and fasting by people that he asks for will cause God Almighty, Who is stronger than Satan, to prevent his goal from becoming a reality. Read the Bible, the Diary of St. Faustina, Blessed Mother Agreda’s Mystical City of God, as well as writings by other famous Catholic mystics to see that the devil would never ask us to do the above because he knows better what would happen to him or his goal.  Again, by their fruits we shall know them.  These fruits (above) could not have come from devil even if his goal is to cause schism in the Catholic Church.

Nancy D., you are right.  The Bible is littered with stories of sacred servants of God who were validly consecrated, but who did not have the Spirit of the Lord.  Even in this day and age, there are many examples to refute this validity people are talking about.  If one is a sexual deviant, for example, and presents himself for ordination to the priesthood knowing fully well that he is not becoming a priest to serve the Lord but to have the most opportunity he can have to molest little children, the ordination may be valid, but not in the eyes of the Lord.  Another example.  If one presents himself for marriage before God knowing fully well that his intention is not to love the other partner to the marriage but to get a green card, or to get rich off of his rich partner, the marriage may be valid under the Church’s law but not before God.  It is the intention that matters, and only God who knows what the intention of every creature is can say whether or not He considers one’s papacy valid.

While I don’t know about their personal devotional habits, I would point out that Nancy Pelosi and Joe Bden have made a spectacle of taking communion at papl masses. Yet clearly they are not in communion with the Church. It is indeed possible to persist in error and think one’s mass attendance and ritual prayers make up for it.  I’ve met many such people.

Margie: In defense of the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter, you wrote: “So he is saying what Skorka said that if they (homosexuals) keep their private lives to themselves society is not affected.”  This is precisely the point.  Homosexual acts are sinful in the eyes of God—and yes, even if the homosexuals keep the acts private.  Importantly, the Vicar of Christ on earth should never, never say or insinuate he is okay with homosexual acts, even if the homosexuals are keeping the acts private among themselves.  The Truth of Christ’s Teachings should be taught and defended at all times and to all people without a twist, if what people are doing is sinful albeit private.  I have not read the book, but if what you said is correct, this is another clear example that this man was not sent by God.

MDV is not someone I would listen to or bother reading. Ii have spent 30 years reading, studying, teaching the word and writing about the Word. MDM does not line up with the Word on too many issues. Why read and spend so much time with a person who is so incorrect that even her own Church refutes her when you can just read and spend time with the Word of God itself.

Everything the MDM cult has said in defense of itself so far reminds me strongly of those false “reformers” who introduced the ideas of Protestantism into Christianity, with the basic gist of their entire argument being: “We have new rules now for discerning what is authentic in Christianity and what’s not, and, oh, BTW, Catholic Church, YOU DON’T PASS! - so no need for us to pay any further attention to your opinions on anything anymore.”

It’s the identical phenomenon everytime this happens in Church history. And it should be noted that Judas betrayed Christ, yet it had no bearing on the authenticity and legitimacy of his office as Apostle, for in the Upper Room, Peter even quoted scripture (“Let another man take his office”) before they elected a new successor to Judas.

Fidelis
You have a penchant for misunderstanding.  I also have come to the conclusion that you are not seeking truth but an argument.
Plus you say you haven’t read this book and you have the audacity to claim to know the mind of this man.  Read the book before you comment on it and stop being presumptuous.  If you took the time to study the life of this man you would not make such stupid comments.  And try telling the Cardinals who elected him that he is not from God they would probably laugh in your face.  Did you follow his election to the papacy?  Did you listen to or read any of the comments made by the Cardinals who were part of that conclave and how they felt very powerfully the workings of the Holy Spirit?  Believe me this pope is definitely God’s choice.
In his dialogue with Rabbi Skorka Cardinal Borgoglio is in no way condoning homosexuality.  He is having a dialogue with this man and they are saying that what people do in their private lives is very different from legalizing and making law their bad behavior.  Nor is Bergoglio or Skorka saying that they are okay with homosexuality.  You need to read what they say in context.  The Cardinal and now Pope is very much opposed to same-sex marriage and to sin in general.  Try studying this man and you will see what he is all about.  What Bergoglio is pointing out is that no matter what the sin the person still must be respected.  As the late John Paul II once wrote that no matter the sin “man never loses his dignity before God”.  That is the point of this whole dialogue.  And yes what people choose to do in their private lives is no one’s business.  God has created us free and in this freedom we have the right to choose good or evil.  And while the Church condemns all sin and tries to guide people in the right direction the Church cannot force anyone to live a pure or chaste life.  all the Church can do is propose not impose.
Question—If he is a defender of the homosexual explain to me why the government exiled him for his stance against them. 

Fidelis
Really!!!
In the Bible Jesus called a spade a spade an it was not beneath His dignity as God to call the Scribes and Pharisees “hypocrites “ and “white sepulchres” or to call Herod “that fox”. Nor did He mince His words when He told Simon Peter to “get behind Me Satan”.
And yes I do consider MDM to be a “charlatan” and your defense of her/him “ridiculous” and some of your statements to be “hogwash”.
You think Satan is too smart to resort to these kinds of antics.  Well how smart is it to try to sit on the throne of God which is something his arrogant pride tried to do.
And all those books you list, I have read them all and none of them lend credence to MDM.  I also that see you are the type of person who refuses to listen to anything that contradicts your subjective opinion.
As one person pointed out in this forum that” there are people who are not in communion with the church and persist in their errors and think by attending mass and ritual prayers will make up for it” and might I add make up for their disobedience and their personal responsibility in leading others to disobedience.

Fideles, Satan has more to gain than to lose. By telling people to receive the sacraments etc. he is gaining their trust in these messages and then he adds the thing that will be his gain (to convince the faithful that our Holy Father is the false prophet)by convincing people to follow and believe in these messages he is creating a schism in the church. This is his main purpose for these messages, he wants what he’s always wanted, to destroy the Roman Catholic Church the church formed by Jesus Christ. This is not the first time that he’s tried to destroy the church and it possibly won’t be the last.

Henry

Good points!

Bigmo: The food we eat is very necessary for human survival.  If a human being does not eat, at some point he or she dies of starvation.  If you are on a hunger strike, and I truly want you to die, but I am also on the side urging the doctors and the nurses to feed you through tubes so as to give you the necessary food you need for survival which you are not getting through your mouth, my actions would be counterproductive to my goal or intention of “truly wanting you to die.”  Why?  Because although you may not be receiving the food you need to survive through your mouth, by my action of urging the doctors to feed you by the tubes I would nonetheless be causing you to receive the food and the nutrients you need for survival, IF THE DOCTORS LISTEN TO ME.  The truth is, if I truly want you to die, I would not be stupid to urge the doctors to give you food via the tubes.  This analogy may be poor, but it is the best I can come up with to explain my point that the devil cannot possibly want to destroy the Catholic Church through schism that he asks people to pray and fast.  Why?  Because such a strategy would be counterproductive to the devil’s goal of causing schism.  How?  The powers of people’s prayer and fasting will produce the opposite result of blinding the people to the wickedness and snares of the devil such that, instead of causing schism by making the faithful to distrust the Holy Father, they will love him and remain in the Church.  In sum, if the devil truly wants to create schism in the Catholic Church by causing people to distrust the Holy Father, the dumbest way to go about it is to ask people to go to mass everyday, receive holy communion everyday, go to confessions every week, pray the holy rosary and the divine mercy chaplet everyday, fast every week, attend Eucharistic Adoration at least one hour everyday, etc.  We know the devil is smarter than this because the certain effects of doing the above, even parts of them, would be to prevent schism and cause people to love the Holy Father.  On the contrary, millions of people all over the world are responding en masse to MDM’s call to prayer and fasting.  And just a few days ago, one of the messages reminded people of the importance of daily Eucharistic Adoration before the Blessed Sacrament.  The devil cannot see how deep he is in a hole and wants to keep digging.  By their fruits we shall know them.

Put differently but simply, Bigmo: You cannot seriously want to achieve a result by embarking on actions you know would certainly cause the opposite result.

Fidelis what planet are you on.
The best way for the Devil to try to destroy the Church is exactly the way he is going about it through MDM.
And yes the devil’s aim is to try to destroy the Church.  I am going to quote the vision Pope Leo XIII had one day while celebrating Mass:
On October 13, 1884, after Pope Leo XIII had finished celebrating Mass in the Vatican Chapel, attended by a few Cardinals and members of the Vatican staff, he suddenly stopped at the foot of the altar. He stood there for about 10 minutes, as if in a trance, his face ashen white. Then, going immediately from the Chapel to his office, he composed the prayer to St. Michael, with instructions it be said after all Low Masses everywhere. When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:

The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasting to Our Lord: “I can destroy your Church”

The gentle voice of Our Lord: “You can? Then go ahead and do so.”

Satan: “To do so, I need more time and more power.”

Our Lord: “How much time? How much power?

Satan: “75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service.”

Our Lord: “You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.”

Fidelis you are a free agent and can believe what you want.  But for the less ignorant and less gullible we see through this charlatan and her false messages.  MDM is not receiving authentic messages nor do we wish to entertain her absurd messages.  Those who do to so to their own harm!
Plus few of the criteria for proper discernment of any prophesy is as follows:
The alleged messages must be in conformity with the official faith and moral teachings of the Church.
The reported phenomenon must be consistent with the mystical tradition of the Church.
MDM’s messages contain numerous and grave theological, historical, and factual errors, errors which contradict the doctrinal teachings of the Catholic Church.  Some serious errors are as follows:
Benedict XVI being the last true pope and the nest pope will be the “false prophet” even though he is a validly elected pope.  The seriousness of this error is that it runs the risk of leading to formal schism and the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff.  In the Catholic Church when you choose to follow the path of schism the results is excommunication.
There is also the error of Millenarianism which has been condemned by the Church.  And also this supposed seal one can get by saying a particular that would protect one from the physical onslaught of the anti-Christ.  Really?  If that were the case God would have to apologize to all those who were martyred for their faith throughout the centuries and who were not protected or raptured up when the going got tough.  In case you haven’t figured it out God wants us to engage the world not run away when our lives are threatened or in danger for the sake of Christ and His kingdom.
Another one of her errors is claiming that God the Father comes in the name of Jesus rather that Jesus coming in the name of the Father as we are told in Scripture.
And what happened to the supposed warning that was to take place a few months after May 31, 2011?
I would say stay away from this absurd and false prophet. “Maria Divine Mercy” is not receiving authentic messages. Many ignorant and gullible people are jumping on her bandwagon, or at least entertaining her absurd messages, to their own harm.

Bigmo: Just read the messages and pray to Jesus for discernment and then do whatever He tells you.  Like He says in the Bible, “My sheep hears my voice.”  He will never abandon His own and we all are His own.  All He asks of us is to shed pride and approach Him, our God Almighty, with humility.  Following is the latest message by Jesus from MDM on May 11. 
“My dearly beloved daughter, it does not matter if you must endure pain because of the way in which you are rejected because of Me, for My Word will never die. It will rise and become louder until, like a powerful wind, it will increase in intensity until the roar of My Voice will peal out like thunder across the Earth.  There will be very few who will not hear My Voice and even those who reject Me will continue to speak of Me. They will find it impossible to ignore.
Like any child begotten of its mother, God’s children – including those who refuse to acknowledge Him – will be drawn towards Him, for they cannot help it. Like a new baby who bonds with its mother, every child of God will recognise his own through touch, sound and smell. God’s children will sense when the Presence of God touches their souls. Just as I know My own, so also will those who love Me respond to My call.
My daughter, the Holy Will of God is Powerful and will defeat all those who oppose the Word of God. When you feel that there is so much opposition and so much hatred towards this Mission, you must always be comforted by My Solemn Promise. That is to save all souls, so that My New Paradise can be presented to humanity soon and with as little suffering as possible. Suffering can be reduced through the prayers of My Remnant Army, because I bequeath to them special graces.
The miracles I promised the world, through My Crusade Prayers, will increase and many will witness healings and conversions. It will be through these miracles that I will make Myself known, even to the most hardened of sceptics. It will be through the Crusade Prayers that servants of My Christian Churches will be shown My Mercy and soon many of them will be given the proof of the authenticity of these Messages.
My Will will be done and no man will stop it. Many will oppose My Will, scream abuse at My Word and spit at you, My daughter, but their hatred will be wiped out and soon they will open their hearts, for they will be in no doubt that it is their Master Who calls them. I Am the Vessel through which they will be purified. It will be through Me that they will be given the only possible protection from the antichrist. My protection must be sought out and the Seal of the Living God must be given to as many souls as possible.
Listen to My instructions and all will be well. Ignore My warnings and try to fight the injustices, which will be widespread when the world is run by the hand of the beast, on your own and you will not be strong enough. Accept My Gifts and you will remain standing, safe in the knowledge that I Am protecting you and your family and friends.
Your Jesus”

I love these messages from Heaven :)  Priests rarely teach faith and morals any more from the lectern because they don’t have the courage… and society continues to spiral out-of-control. Imagine the good they would achieve if they were forthright about the teachings of the Church, daily. I continue to pray for them but in the meantime tremendous damage has occurred within the Church and the ‘family’. God the Most High is angry and as Jesus has warned us ‘...folllowing my Mercy comes the day of My Justice’. Beginning with the Warning, the prophesies of Fatima, La Sallete, Garabandal, Medugorje ,to name a few, were given us in order to prepare ye the way for the ‘Great Day of the Lord’ which is close. Fear not, pray with heart and live a sacramental life, a true life in God and all will be well. Anybody who reads these messages and dispels them does not know of the love and compassion of the Holy Trinity and Our Lady. Be at peace. Google: Fr P. Victor’s positive testimony of these messages through and his decision to become a priest through the visions of Our Lady at Garabandal-50 years ago.

Google: Testimony of a Priest + Fr P. Victor

My dear Paul, I once was in a Church on a Sunday mass in the Washington, D.C. area when people started walking out on the priest during the homily because he preached against abortions and homosexual acts.  I attended mass in the same Church celebrated by the same priest some Sundays later and, as he was greeting people after mass, he whispered in my ears that at least no one walked out on him that day.  Look at how all the politicians in Washington, even those that call themselves Christians, are trying to outdo each other in endorsing same-sex marriage simply to keep their political seats.  Some are even endorsing it on videos in order to attract air time.  In their endorsements, they usually refer to their personal opinions or what their daughters and sons tell them about their gay friends and how sweet they are.  God’s Teaching on the matter as revealed to us through the Holy Bible, however, is totally ignored in the endorsements.  It is like God does not matter anymore.  Today, it is very common to see people, young and old, living together for years without marriage.  The society doesn’t seem to care anymore about these and do not consider them sinful.  To be sure, most of the clergy do not preach against these because of the shame they suffer from the priestly sex abuse scandals.  This, no doubt, is the work of the devil.  MDM’s messages are bringing us back to the basics: abortion is evil; homosexual acts, and indeed any sexual act outside of a marriage between a man and a woman, is sinful; getting rich off of other’s suffering is sinful; criticizing and gossiping against people is sinful, etc.  The messages also warn that because we are human, we are always prone to sin.  To protect against these evils and sins, the Messages instruct us to go to daily mass, receive holy communion daily, go to confessions weekly, pray the holy rosary and the divine mercy chaplet daily, do Eucharistic Adoration daily, say the more than 100+ other beautiful prayers that are not against the teachings of the Church.  When I see the anger, hatred, and the visceral reactions of people to these Messages, I ask myself why such hatred against these messages of love?  In my humble opinion, it is only the Truth that can cause such reactions.  I am, nevertheless, comforted by the fruits of these messages; millions are responding daily and their testimonies speak for themselves.  As hard as people try to avoid these messages, they cannot because they strike like unavoidable sharp-edged swords.  No man can fight God and win.  Never.

Gee Fidelis, I too go to daily Mass, do one hour of adoration every day, pray the rosary and the divine mercy chaplet.  I say this not to pat myself on the back but to make a point.  Your advice to people is that they should do the same and when doing these things ask God for discernment.  Funny thing is the response I get is MDM is false and should not be listened to since they are not from Him.  Yet you seem to claim He is telling you they are.  Somebody’s being lied to or is lying since God does not contradict Himself.  Perhaps next time you go to confession you should ask the priest what he thinks of MDM’s messages.  Should be interesting!

Pope Francis elected after supernatural ‘signs’ in the Conclave – Cardinal
The surprise election of the Pope Francis came about because of a series of supernatural “signs”, one of the leading Cardinals in the Roman Catholic Church has claimed.
Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna told an English audience that special “signs” from the Holy Spirit guided the cardinal-electors to choose Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio in the March 2013 conclave.
The Austrian prelate said that only the movement of the Holy Spirit could explain how the conclave decided so quickly on the Argentine cardinal. He said that he was sure many cardinals received signs that told them: “He is the one.”
Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, who was himself widely tipped as a possible successor to Pope Benedict, said he had personally had two “strong signs” that Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was “the chosen one” in the run up to vote.
He said only divine intervention could explain the speed with which the Argentine Cardinal - who did not feature on any of the main lists of likely candidates compiled by Vatican experts - was elected.

I’ll play the devil’s advocate for a moment here, to create some balance. Visiting priests. How do we know that they are in-fact a priest without checking the record ? We Catholics take a great deal for granted at times. I agree that we must be careful about these messages until they are proven without doubt, however, I LOVE THEM. lol after all, Christ never called His disciples back after He made that profound statement long ago about the Holy Eucharist and I know that there were no ‘teachings of the Church’ at that stage in history because….Jesus was creating Church teaching (and history) by His words :) Excuse my tangent but we are living in ‘strange times’, sinful times… 1,000 times worse than the deluge as Our Lady told Fr Gobbi… times for a correction of Truth, as it were. Who among us can honestly say that the Church is in good health ? All the more reason for Heaven to step-in at the mid-night hour to save us from ourselves. Cheers everyone. Those who defend church teaching here and expose heresy are right, however, who can limit God ?

Three (3) items of interest:
1) The messages to the world at Fatima, La Salette and Medjugorje all speak of the coming Warning.
2) These messages to Maria Divine Mercy all uncannily correlate as regards The Warning, and are urgent.
3) The Comets that will collide (according to the predicted prophecy).

I have been following with great interest Comet Ison C/2012 S1 which Nasa is understating in size and with a lot of misinformation. Nasa states it’s a small 3km wide ‘dirty snowball’, however, one of the world’s leading astrophysicists~ Dr James M. McCanney says it is 260,000km in diameter. He has some great talks on YouTube.
If nothing else you’ll learn plenty about how amazing the universe and space is. Interesting to note that there are many probable connections with Comet Ison (I-Son) and the Great Comet of 1680 which passes by our inner solar system every 333years.
There are a lot of silly sites in the internet regarding dooms day people and scare-mongers and that’s why I’ve pointed-out the www.jmccsci.com site. Scroll down and listen to many interesting talks by Dr McCanney.
The Comet will be closest to earth on 25 December 2013.
Is it too coincidental that a comet which is predicted to be ‘a once in a civilization event’ by James McCanney has the name Ison attached ?
Nasa are controlled by the Government hence a major lack of misinformation being portrayed.
There surely are about to be changes in the heavens as predicted in the Book of Revelation.
btw the Sun is technically a comet. You can check it’s speed online.
Let’s pray for each of us who have contributed to this blog ‘that we be led by the Holy Spirit and to live our lives in-keeping with and for the Greater Glory of God.
God bless you all.
Keep your opinions flowing.
Paul

Paul
Of course some of her messages correlate with the warning.  She is copycatting something any of us can do.  Her apocalyptic warnings have been around for a long time so there is nothing new in what she says.
Plus we all know that one day we will answer for the terrible sin of abortion and for the majority of mankind having turned their backs on God to live lives in opposition to God’s commands.  All this is public knowledge.
But what is not right about MDM are her blatant lies and doctrinal errors.  As an aside we do not know if this person is a woman, a man or an organization.
First her claim that Pope Francis is a false prophet.  Let us look at this with the latest news.  Cardinal Schonborn of Vienna has come out publicly saying that there were supernatural signs in the conclave directing their choice.  (by the way he was not the only one to make such a statement, Cardinal Dolan a day or so after the Pope’s election commented on how they could feel powerfully the workings of the Holy Spirit in guiding them to the right man) . 
Schonborn’s comment was and I quote ““We were driven by the Holy Spirit to this man – he was sitting in the last corner of the Sistine Chapel: This man he is the chosen one.”  In the Gospel when Jesus was accused of casting out devils by the power of beelzebub Jesus responds by pointing out that a house divided against itself would collapse.  So can anyone possibly say that the Holy Spirit would guide the conclave to elect a false prophet?  I hardly think so for by so doing His House would collapse!  The Holy Spirit is there to make sure that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. 
Second her ridiculous claim that one can say a certain prayer for several days and receive not only a plenary indulgence but the forgiveness of all sins without the benefit of sacramental confession—and this she claims comes from God.  False, the Holy Spirit works through and in the Church and only the supreme authority of the Church can grant indulgences.  So the task of interpretation and discernment has been entrusted to the living Magisterium of the Church whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ.  God the Father would not by-pass this.  .  If you don’t believe this ask your parish priest or your local bishop. 
Thirdly her claim that only those who accept the Seal, keep it in their homes, or carry it on them will be protected? Really! This smacks of Rapture language. If what this person says is true then God will have to apologize to every person who shed their blood for Him and whom He did not protect when the going got tough. This does not follow Jesus’s words in the Gospel that.
These are but a few of the doctrinal errors and nonsense spewing from this person.
There is an interesting site called locutions.org worth looking into.  However, keep in mind that these too are private revelations AND DO NEED TO BE BELIEVED AND IF ONE CHOOSES NOT TO NO SIN IS INCURRED nor is God going to hammer them over the head if they don’t.

This does not follow Jesus’s words in the Gospel that we must walk the narrow and thorny path to reach salvation: that we must pick up our crosses and follow Him>

Margie,
I love the Catholic Faith and it will always be. I know this from Jesus words to St Peter.
You write as though the Church today is in a fine state of health whereas it is sick. The messages from Our Lady to Fr Gobbi 1973-1997 (25yrs) where the Mother of God speaks often of Masonry within the Vatican.
Can you tell me for a fact that there were not Masons involved in the election of Pope Francis ?
Switch the News on today and compare it to 1971. The Church must take a fair degree of responsibility here given that Bishops and Priests have waned in their prayer-lives and in their teaching of the laity.
I believe that many even committed catholics today are ‘in denial’ about the true state of the Chhurch as we speak.
Our Lady at Fatima pointed to the Sun as thousands of disbelievers observed the sun plummet towards the earth in that great, great miracle of 1917. It was terrifying. For the sun to move at that speed it is certainly a comet. p.s the sun is currently moving at 50,000mph. I’m saying that that the sun will do the same today but I do believe that ‘a portion of a comet’ will break away and strike the sun causing a cataclysm which would fulfill
the prophecy of the miracle of Fatima. ‘If the world does not changes… etc’
There will be a schism soon where the true church although very small, will survive, because the Truth is the Truth even if no one believes.

Paul
Put your money where your mouth is and prove to me that there were masons involved in the election of this Pope.  SOME PRETTY GOOD OUTSTANDING CARDINALS WILL MAKE A LIAR OUT OF YOU.  BETTER STILL WHY DON’T YOU ASK A FEW CARDINALS WHO WERE AT THE CONCLAVE.  ASK DOLAN, SCHRONBORN, OUELLET, COLINS TO MENTION A FEW. 
As for the Church she has always been and always will be in fine shape because this Church belongs to God and He is guiding her.  God has never left His Church and never will.  Having said that there will always be Judases!  Plus if we are in a spiritual mess we only have ourselves to blame.  How many cafeteria Catholics are there out there.  Far too many!  How many are deliberately disobedient to the teachings of the Church, far too many. How many espouse abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity etc…far too many and ignore the constant teachings of the Church in matters of morality. 
You people who follow this charlatan remind me of the Martin Luther who instead of working with the Church to bring about reform split her in half and we now 30,000+ Protestant denominations who are fragmented, believe half-truths and deny many more yet they all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit.  Luther caused a great schism so will MDM if people don’t wake up to her dangerous claims. 
Believe me she and her followers will not be part of the “true Church”.  We have the TRUE CHURCH INSTITUTED BY CHRIST AND HE LEFT THIS CHURCH IN THE HANDS OF HIS TWELVE APOSTELS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS.  THIS CANNOT AND WILL NOT CHANGE.
And this Church is one and is the Bride of Christ. SHE Teaches one set of doctrines which are the same taught by the Apostles.  The Church is also holy because Christ its head is holy.  Jesus said there would be both good and bad members but that does not detract from her holiness any more than Judas betrayal of Jesus made the others unholy.  And the Church’s holiness also lies in her sacraments which are the special means of grace established by Christ and which the Church is the guardian.
The Church is also apostolic because this Church established by Christ is founded on the apostles the first leaders and on their successors who are to continue as leaders.  And what did Jesus do when He established His Church—He gave Peter (the first Pope) special authority.  God speaks to His Church through the Bible, Sacred Tradition and to make sure we understand Him, He guides the Church through the teaching magisterium.  And through this teaching authority He gave to the Church He promises that the Holy Spirit would always be there to makes sure what she interprets the truths received accurately.  IT IS CALLED THE GIFT OF INFALLIBILITY.
The Holy Spirit in choosing Pope Francis knew exactly what He was doing.  As one Cardinal said “Francis is the remedy the Church needs.”  Believe me you will see changes but it will not be in the vein of MDM and her rantings.
YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS STUDYING OF YOUR FAITH OTHERWISE FOLLOWING MDM WILL LEAD YOU INTO SERIOUS TROUBLE, DOCTRINAL ERRORS AND SCHISM. 
And pray tell who is going to be the leader of this small remnant “true church” MDM???????
Oh by the way.  If there were masons involved in this election their plan backfired.  AND PLEASE NOTE the operative word here is “iF”

You’re in my prayers Margie.

She is seriously in my prayers as well.

And I for you Paul.  I will pray especially to the Holy Spirit that He may guide you to the truth as taught by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and to a better understanding of the Petrine Ministry and Christ promise that He would build His Church upon this rock (Peter)and be with it to the end of time.  Although these are not words you want to hear but none the less this is something that should never be forgotten for it is this ministry that leads and unifies the Church and that this extraordinary papal authority reaches all geographical lines.

Thanks Fidelis

You are seriously in my prayers as well.  you Definitely need them.

Peace be with you Fidelis,
Like you, I support the messages to MDV.
I liked your letter of May 14 and I agree with the contents of it.  Just remember, when someones attacks you for whatever reason, stay quiet and walk away. It is the way of Christ and evil will be confused. Try it next time and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
We do however need to be understanding of the souls who write here because many do have a point, according to the teachings of our faith.
I like to have my say when the Holy Spirit prompts me.
These messages to MDM should not be defended says Jesus. In time He will show His Truth.
God bless,
Paul

My final comment on this forum since I have some serious studying to do and my time for comments has run out.
2 Timothy 4:3
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.
There’s another quote that says ‘great minds think alike but fools never differ”.
Follow this papacy, great things are about to happen.
Adios, au revoir.

My dear Paul, Thanks a lot.  My response was indeed in poor taste, uncharitable to Margie, and offensive to Jesus.  I sincerely apologize, Margie.  I should not have responded the way I did.

ARCHBISHOP FORBIDS PROMOTION OF LOCUTIONIST

We’re often asked about apparitions and locutions. We are not a center of discernment. We can best report on such. We do have our inclinations. We respect the inclinations of others. On the locution “beat” comes e-mail informing us that an archbishop in Australia—in fact, one of the most powerful ones, Archbishop Denis J. Hart of Melbourne—has issued the following statement about an alleged European one. It was sent to the parishes. The letter, confirmed by one of his assistants, states:

“MARIA DIVINE MERCY

“Maria Divine Mercy is an Irish woman who claims to be a prophetess who asserts she receives messages and visions from Jesus and Mary, especially about the end times and the end of the world. She claimed that she had predicted that Pope Benedict would be forced to resign, and that Pope Francis is an impostor.

“We are informed that some people are circulating these alleged messages, together with holy pictures. Please inform your people that these matters do not have the approval of the Church, and their dissemination is to be discontinued, and any message or leaflets are to be disposed of. The Archbishop believes that he must give authoritative guidance in this matter. 
[signed]—Alina Tsakonas, Personal Assistant, Office of the Vicar General.”

Another great one from Jesus through MDM.  You can link to it here. Enjoy!
http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/my-word-is-the-end-it-is-final-there-can-be-no-other-word/#
My Word is the end. It is final. There can be no other word
Monday, May 13th, 2013
My dearly beloved daughter, My remnant army will grow very quickly at this time and will spread to fifty-eight nations. There will be leaders among you and you must unite wherever you are, through the formation of Jesus to Mankind Prayer Groups.
Bring all those who follow Me, first, into your fold and then set forth to draw all those who follow every kind of doctrine. I could never favour one soul over another. I desire that you tell all those who do not believe in Me and I promise them that they will be shown the Truth during The Warning. They will find it difficult to deny Me, for I will engulf their souls in a way which will surprise and shock them. My Holy Spirit will fall over every nation where My Prayer Groups are set up.
I will multiply the number of miracles, which have been witnessed already, where I have healed the minds, the spirit and the bodies of the wretched and sick amongst you. You will know Me by My Presence, which I will instil in those of you who ask for My favours. You are indeed blessed – you, the children of this generation, who have been chosen in such multitudes to enjoy eternal life in My Kingdom, which has no end. Death will be defeated by you. Evil will be devoured by your strength of perseverance and sin will no longer blight your souls.
My children, there is much work to be done. Allow Me to guide you through My Crusade Prayers, as they will open your eyes to the Truth. Once you can see the Truth, you will know in your hearts what to do. One word of advice – when you are rebuffed for speaking the Truth, you must remain silent. Pray for that soul, that they will also be given the grace to accept the Book of Truth.
My Word is the end. It is final. There can be no other word. Anyone who proclaims to speak in My Name, since this Mission commenced in November, 2010, does not have the authority to do so, for they do not come from Me. Those prophets who came before this, and who also speak in My Name, are blessed and I will continue to protect them. My Voice speaks to the world through these Messages. My beloved Mother, the Immaculate Virgin Mary, also speaks to her visionaries, and again her Mission is blessed by Me.
Know that Satan’s army includes a number of false prophets, who speak with a sweetness of voice. Soothing, loving and camouflaged with empty promises, they will say the exact opposite to what I tell you. Know that only My Voice will tell you the Truth. Only My Voice will tell you of events to come, which actually take place. No one else can, nor will be given the authority to, speak for Me, Jesus Christ or My beloved Father.
Take comfort with this revelation and know that only the Holy Trinity communicates in this way with a Fire, which will engulf all souls who are empty of pride and full of humble love for Me.
Your Jesus.”

Fidelis
Actually my friend the voice of God Speaks through the Church and the Church has spoken.  MDM is false.  She will be given no spaced in any Catholic parish in Australia as the above article points out.  As we all know MDM is trying very hard to push her false messages in that country.  They are putting an end to her nonsense.
If she tries to present herself to any other parishes throughout the world she will again be given no space.
If you are as true to your Catholic faith then you should be obedient to its highest authority and desist.

I notice that todays message speaks of people who ‘knew it all~2000 yrs ago’ spitting at Christ during his passion.
The Priests are confused about what’s happening with the MDM messages and are naturally running for cover by their statements which is fair enough, unless these predictions come true. At that stage….?

Thomas: you are right.  The more the hatred against these Messages, the louder and crispier they become.  Could it be the reason they are running for cover is they are recognizing the VOICE of their Master?  For those who doubt that an invalid pope could be elected by the College of Cardinals, read the piece by Dr. Kelly Bowring on this through this link:
http://twoheartspress.com/blog/concerning-maria-divine-mercy-pope-francis-and-the-false-prophet/
Also, for those who have not read it yet, this is the latest message that Thomas referenced:
“Those who followed the Word of God, laid down by the prophets before Me, were the first to spit at Me
Tuesday, May 14th, 2013
My dearly beloved daughter, to those amongst My disciples who are suffering because of their belief in these Messages from Heaven, I have this to say.
Difficult though your suffering is, you must know that you have been blessed with My Gift, given to you to help open your eyes to the Truth. The abuse you will have to endure in My Name, because of your loyalty to these Messages, will come from those close to you. In particular, many sacred servants of Mine, who refuse to seek Me out through this, My Holy Word, will cause you the most upset. You will be vilified, belittled, challenged, criticised and mocked, and yet these same people profess to speak in My Holy Name.
You must endure this pain just as My apostles and disciples had to bear it. During My time on earth, I was cast out of the Temples of God. My disciples were warned to keep away from Me or face banishment from the Church if they were seen with Me. When they spoke My Holy Word and spread My Teachings they were threatened and whipped in some cases. They were made spectacles of. Those who followed the Word of God, laid down by the prophets before Me, were the first to spit at Me. Their anger was caused by the fact that I spoke the Truth, for they did not want to hear the Truth. It frightened them and made them uncomfortable.
Filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit, My apostles were hated after My Ascension, by many who worshipped in the Temples. And, although their suffering was great, and the voices of opposition screamed loudly in their presence, it did not matter.
Nothing can prevent My Word from spreading. No voice will be loud enough. No argument will be credible enough. No venom will be strong enough. My Power is impossible to conquer. My Holy Spirit will draw billions of souls into the safety of My New Paradise. All voices of discontent will be quietened and all opposition will be suppressed, for the intervention of My Father will ensure that the brambles and boulders, which litter the Path of Truth, will be eradicated.
Only My Voice will remain. It will be the only Voice of Authority, which will be sustained and then the Great Day will come.
Your Jesus.”

Initially you were hesitant to accept these messages Fidelis. What caused you to have a change of heart ?  We sure are living in strange times when people cannot recognize God’s word in their hearts as they read eh :)

Thomas, the short answer is the grace of God through the help of the Blessed Mother caused the change in me.  I was not even interested the first time I was shown the messages.  But I became a little bit interested later by the grace of God the second time the messages were shown to me by the same person. I then started doing some of the things instructed in the messages including attending daily mass (I had been doing that before though), going to confessions more frequently, fasting once a week and saying the divine mercy chaplet everyday at 3pm.  Later, I started saying it also at 3am in the morning.  Then I went from saying a mystery of the rosary everyday to saying all four mysteries, and an additional one with my wife and children every evening.  Then one of the messages described the power of Eucharistic Adoration and I started saying all my prayers everyday before an exposed Blessed Sacrament in a Perpetual Adoration Chapel.  Then I started saying some of the Crusade Prayers and then formed a Crusade Prayer Group with the person that introduced me to the messages in the first place.  We meet once a week to say the prayers.  We begin with the rosary, then all the crusade prayers, and end with the divine mercy chaplet.  We are fortunate that we do it also before an exposed Blessed Sacrament.  I also went and read carefully for the first time the Books of Daniel and Revelation that are heavily referenced in the Messages.  I was shocked to discover that some of the things in the messages are also in the Bible.  The more I say the prayers, the more I was drawn to the messages daily.  Some days when there were no messages, I felt really bad and longed for them.  Slowly, every doubt I had about the authenticity of the messages vanished.  The more I prayed everyday before the Lord exposed in the Blessed Sacrament, the more the authenticity of these Messages are confirmed in me.  I have recently started defending these messages because I feel an obligation to do so, although I must confess that I have not always done so with the charity the Lord Jesus asks of us.  The messages are so rich that I meditate on some of them during my rosaries.  I am not telling you all these to make you think I am a saint or something.  Not at all.  God knows I am a wretched creature of His in most need of His Mercy.  But I am telling you these so you may be edified by God’s grace.  I think God showed me His Mercy because I approached Him naked like a child.  I am bereft of words to describe to you the peace and joy my family and I have experienced in a very short period by doing the above.  I am convinced of His unfathomable mercy because if He can do what He did to me, a wretched creature, He can also do it for anyone who approaches Him with a humble heart.  For me, He loves us all and these messages are meant so He can save us all.

Odd how the Slovakian Conference of Bishops and the Cardinal of Melbourne have both denounced MDM as a fraud and yet you persist in promoting her nonsense! This is strange to say the least since the bishops are warning the faithful to stay away from the MDM messages completely.  I am sure that this is only the beginning of her condemnation for many more bishops will come forward and denounce her fake messages.
The Slovakian Conference of Bishops have issued the declaration. The last part of the official church document issued by the Slovakian Conference of Bishops makes it VERY CLEAR ... ‘Maria Divine Mercy’ is a fraud, and is in heresy. She calls for schism. She’s either making these ‘messages’ up herself or is listening to false spirits who wish to pull apart the church. According to the official church document - anyone who pushes these false messages is working against the Church and against God Himself.

I wrote to the office of the archbishop in Melbourne re MDM and I post the response I received from them regarding MDM and her condemnation”

Archbishop Denis Hart issued an advice to his parish priests in relation to claims that Maria Divine Mercy is a prophetess who claims she receives messages and visions from Jesus and Mary, especially about the end times and the end of the world; and her claims that she had predicted that Pope Benedict would be forced to resign,  and that pope Francis is an impostor.

Aware that some people are circulating these alleged messages together with holy pictures, the Archbishop asked his priests to inform parishioners that these matters do not have the approval of the Church, and that the dissemination of alleged messages together with holy pictures is to be discontinued, and any message or leaflets are to be disposed of.  The Archbishop believes that he must give authoritative guidance in this matter.

best wishes

James O’Farrell MPRIA

Director Communications

Communications Office

Cardinal Knox Centre

383 Albert Street, East Melbourne VIC 3002

PO Box 146, East Melbourne VIC 8002

Telephone: (03) 99265771

Email: james.ofarrell@cam.org.au

www.cam.org.au

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MDM also wrote warning of the Floods that came that same year in France.  She wrote of the volcano eruption in Iceland, the middle east uprisings along with killing of 3 leaders to follow.  Many more, the collapse of Italy and the banking system in Europe and the world.  Read them for yourself and see if it resonates for you.  I have been following the messages for two years and it appears to me there is truth coming from there.  If you believe and later find out she was false you still merit the faith you had as if it were true.  If you deny the truth and find out later it is true you are in hostile position with God.

Beautiful explanation Fidelis,
I concur with your reasoning. Thank you for your extensive answer to my question. Keep going brother !!

You are welcome, Thomas.  Any time.  Thanks.

“Lord, to whom would we go?” (St Peter to Our Lord)

If you have to make a choice between following MDM’s prophesies and being obedient to the Church, which already holds the fullness of Truth (the True Presence of Jesus, the Word of God, the Mass, Sacraments, Rosary, Divine Mercy and the examples of the saints) which would you ultimately choose?

MDM?  Who claims Pope Francis is a false prophet and therefore we cannot really trust anything that comes out of the Vatican?
MDM, who claims that saying one of her revealed prayers 7 times consecutively absolves someone of mortal sin (without going to confession?

ALL authentic visionaries (including St Faustina of Divine Mercy) place obedience to the Church and submission to Her BEFORE adhering to their own revelations.  Jesus even admonished St Faustina for following His orders given in visions when it conflicted with the orders of her superiors.  He made it clear disobedience is very displeasing to Him.

So, If my Archbishop (Archbishop Denis Hart) asks us to stay away from her material I KNOW with certainty that Jesus wants me to be obedient.  I have ALL I need already, Deo Gratsias!

God bless you all for wanting to follow Him.  Stay close!

Thank you Bernadette finally a voice of reason!
I had forgotten Jesus’ admonition to St Faustina when choosing to follow Jesus’ orders when they conflicted with that of her superiors.  As you say disobedience is very displeasing to God and there is much of that with those who follow MDM.

Along with the archbishop of Melbourne denouncing her so has the Slovakian Council of Bishops condemned her and I am sure many more bishops around the world will do the same.  It’s sad when the official Church warns of the dangers of alleged messages yet some of her members refuse to submit to their decision.  Their disobedience will create schism and division yet in their stubborn pride they continue to promote her evil.

The lack of humility on their part is staggering.  It appears that they consider themselves and MDM to be the final authority.

Seems like pride knows no boundaries!

We can learn much from the saints and the humility and obedience they practiced for through these two great virtues they have enriched and strengthened the Church. 

In closing Thomas and Fidelis keep in mind that the devil knows the immediate future!

I would like to add two things. 
Firstly, it should be pointed out that each poster here has something in common: a desire to follow Jesus closely.  Let’s not overlook that, it is a great thing! Charity must be upheld, or else our division plays into satan’s hands.
Secondly, in response to Lou, you have reasoned that “if you believe and later find out it is fake you still merit the faith you had as if it were true. If you deny the truth and find out later it is true you are in a hostile position with God”.

I understand your reasoning but it is incorrect.  Yes, if it is fake you still merit from the faith and good will with which you believed the messages, this is true.  You have also however placed yourself in a position where you have exposed yourself to some very skewed theology and will find it hard to distinguish from what WAS true in the messages to what is false. The resulting effects on one’s faith can be devastaing. 

Now, if it IS true, and we thought it was fake, we do NOT place ourselves in a hostile position with God because the Church has always maintained that we are free to disbelieve private revelation, even when it is approved by the Church.  In the case of Lourdes and Fatima, the Church proclaimed that it is ‘Worthy of belief’ but also adds that we are not required to believe,  under pain of sin.  Not believing these apparitions does not place us against God.  (For the record I do believe in Lourdes and Fatima!).

The way we place ourselves in a hostile position with God is when we refuse to accept the Truth as shown to us through the scriptures and Magisterium of the Church.  These are not optional.  Private revelations are.  Now MDM says the opposite, Jesus is apparently scathing towards those who do not believe these messages or who would even question them.  Another huge red flag.  God bless us all!

Perhaps more readers of this blog should re read how an initial sceptic of these messages to MDM came to realize that they are truly from Heaven. The short answer is ‘by their fruits’... scroll up to May 16 (Fidelis Agbaps~testimony) For those that read this flippantly you will not understand this writing.

By their fruits yes, Thomas, I agree, but if believers of MDM start to trust her messages more than the Holy Father (who true MDM followers now believe is a false prophet) and therefore choose MDM over following the Pope and the counsels of the Church then the fruits are disobedience.  It can happen slowly but surely.  So we must be on guard!  Jesus in the scriptures has told us to! 
Might I respectfully add that many have believed these came from Heaven initially also, but have, slowly with prayer, Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and discernment come to understand that they are certainly not.  Two opposite experiences of two groups of faithful people depending upon prayer, fasting, and the Holy Spirit. So who do we believe?  Who can ultimately lead us to right understanding? The Church.  Only the Church. God Bless you!

Many years before Jesus walked the earth, that He would walk the earth and suffer and die and be buried and resurrect on the third day were all prophesied by many prophets before Him.  But when it happened, people did not believe Him.  In fact, God’s sacred servants who thought they knew God better than others were the fiercest in opposing Jesus, His Teachings and disciples.  As Jesus aptly put it in one of the Messages recently: “During My time on earth, I was cast out of the Temples of God. My disciples were warned to keep away from Me or face banishment from the Church if they were seen with Me. When they spoke My Holy Word and spread My Teachings they were threatened and whipped in some cases. They were made spectacles of. Those who followed the Word of God, laid down by the prophets before Me, were the first to spit at Me. Their anger was caused by the fact that I spoke the Truth, for they did not want to hear the Truth. It frightened them and made them uncomfortable. Filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit, My apostles were hated after My Ascension, by many who worshipped in the Temples.”
The same thing could be said to be happening now all over again.  The Books of Daniel and Revelation, which I am sure everyone herein believes to be divinely inspired, unequivocally states that God would permit a false prophet to arise who will lead people into error, but that he will be defeated along with the antichrist.  Many mystics, including St. Francis of Assisi, whose name the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter chose, said as much.  Just google “St. Francis of Assisi’s end time prophecy” and read verbatim his prophecy about what is currently happening.  If the Bible says this would happen, that means God is allowing it (God’s permissive will) to happen and it must happen regardless of what you and I think or do.  The screaming coming from this bishop or that archbishop will never stop this from happening, just as the screaming and punishment by the religious leaders in the time of Christ did not stop His Teachings from taking hold.  Again, consider that not all the apostles recognized the voice of Jesus after His resurrection.  Only John the Beloved did.  Why?  Because he was close to Jesus.  Therefore, being a Cardinal or a Bishop does not necessarily mean you can decipher the voice of Jesus if you are not close to Him.  The issue is whether or not the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is the biblical false prophet.  MDM says he is.  People, including Jimmy Akin, believe this to be preposterous, even though the Bible we all believe in has specifically said God would allow this. A validly elected pope, they argue, cannot be an invalid pope.  But see the piece by Dr. Kelly Bowring on this through this link:
http://twoheartspress.com/blog/concerning-maria-divine-mercy-pope-francis-and-the-false-prophet/
Citing St. Alphonsus Liguori and others, Dr. Bowring showed it is possible to have a false pope from a valid conclave.  What matters is the intention of the person.
All this hue and cry about MDM and her Messages will not stop the Truth from happening.  And it does not surprise me that the more opposition there is to her messages, the louder and crispier the messages become.  Nothing from God comes easy because Satan would definitely put up a fight.  As always, however, God ends up victorious.  So, instead of casting aspersions on MDM, it is okay to be skeptical and wait for more of her prophesies to come true or not come true.  In the meantime, however, we all should continue to employ the greatest weapon we have against Satan, praying and fasting.

One thing you are overlooking Fidelis is the loudest opposition comes from the Church itself.  When a Cardinal in whose jurisdiction she or some of her followers are operating comes out against MDM that is the official Church warning us that she is a danger to the faith.  When a Conference of Catholic Bishops also condemns her we better take notice. 
Contrary to what you say there is no need to wait for more of her prophecies since they will be as bogus and her former ones and no doubt filled with more of her errors. 
You should take your advice of prayer and fasting serious and go humbly before God and beg for better discernment.
MDM portrays God as a taskmaster and woe to the one who dares to disbelieve.  Finally you are right nothing can stop the truth from happening but the verdict will not lie in MDM"s camp I can assure you.

Back on May 18 I took the daily message about the ‘division’ these messages would cause to church. I opened the message before Mass and read it and pondered it. After Mass and Rosary as I began to drive home I suddenly noticed that the entire sky was split into two. One side was completely clear blue sky, the other half was a puffy cotton-wool clouded sky. The sun (although not yet visible) was causing a fire-amber bright glow on the horizon and lighting the under-side of the puffy cloud which looked amazing, heavenly !! Never before have I seen a sky that looked like this, but here’s the interesting thing…the clear sky and the puffy cloud sky was divided by a dead straight line ! I can honestly say that in all of my years marveling at sunrises and sunsets I have never seen anything like I did that morning. These messages are from God.

March 18 2013 that is, got the month wrong (sorry)

I was sent the messages over a year ago and thought it worth investigating. I read every message over a period of time since they began in Nov 2010. Since then I have read each one that has been given and I am convince God is reaching out to His faithful to prepare us for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. I know this is true because it is in the Bible and we pray it every time we pray the Our Father and the Creed.  THe world is in such terrible shape and evil plans are being devised to usher in the new world order. To deny that is not reality.  It absolutely does not matter that she uses a pen name because the attacks and assaults against her are coming from satan and the enemy and from so called faithful christians. That in its self proves to me she was called by God to work this mission. Some learned theologians and apologists are trying so hard to shove aside the messages from Jesus given to the visionary Maria Divine Mercy but they are so wrong. And one day they will realize they were fighting against God Himself. They are todays ” Fair- a - sees ” (mispelling intented) When Jesus walked the earth, the Church at the time, the Jewish authority , rejected HIm even though He showed them proof. Even though He raised the dead, and fed the multitudes and rose from the dead Himself. Only God can do that. So why didn’t they believe Him?  Professional jealousy?  Corruption within the ranks? Hated of the truth?  You figure it out for yourself.  Jesus didn’t write books on alot of fluff or showcase an apologists knowledge of the “everything”  I think there are already too many books that take away our attention and our devotion to the one book that really matters and that is the Holy Word of God, The Bible.  Folks, its simple. Follow Jesus in simplicity, pray the rosary and the Divine Mercy Chaplet every day, go to Mass every Sunday and Holy Days and more frequent if possible and trust that God is in control.  Ask a Theologian or an Apologist to explain the books of revelation and Daniel and they will give you plenty of personal double talk. They don’t know. We don’t get it in the sermons so when the Good Lord sends His message through modern means, like the internet, toes get stepped on and they get miffed.  Instead of getting upset, try reading the messages sent by God to warn people about the Illumination of Conscience and check out the messages on WWW.thewarningsecondcoming.com. Don’t rely on radio, tv,  books, etc to get the information you need. I learned that over years of listening and now too the venom that has been written about Maria Divine Mercy. Shame on all of you because you fight against God when you do that. You were warned in scripture not to do that. Shows me you “experts in Catholicism,”  are not so expert after all when it comes to the Truth and the Lord Jesus. Simply put, the Mission of the messages is to save souls. You are either with God ready to pray and follow HIm or not. As for me and mine, I will follow the Lord and prepare for His second coming whenever that might be,.Personally I think its going to be sooner than anyone thinks or is ready for. To all of you who are quick to condemn MDM and the messages sent by God, well, you’re in familiar company because the devil thinks the same way. God have mercy on all us.

Hear, hear. Thanks Patty for your inspiring post. You make some really pertinent points which I found particularly encouraging.

Margie, you make excellent points, and Fidelis, thanks for the link, and I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence!
Patty, you are right in much of what you say.  I agree that the world is in a terrible state and we are very near the Day of Judgement. It should also be noted that many of Maria of Divine Mercy’s prophesies have already come to us in scripture and from the saints own experiences.  I don’t doubt these, because they came from scripture, the teachings of the Church and the saints FIRST and have therefore been authenticated.  I have to respond to your comment however, when you say ‘Shame on all of you because you fight against God when you do that. You were warned in scripture not to do that’.  Actually, we were warned in Matthew 24:3-5 to not let ourselves be led astray by false prophets: “Then, when he was seated at the Mount of Olives, the disciples drew near to him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of your advent and of the consummation of the age?” And answering, Jesus said to them: “Pay attention, lest someone lead you astray. For many will come in my name saying, ‘I am the Christ.’ And they will lead many astray.”
So you see we are trying to follow Jesus and His Word just as closely as you are.  I just want to be faithful to HIM.  And I think you should be very careful before you judge those who disbelieves these messages as being in familiar company with satan.  I am most decidedly NOT on satan’s side.  Nor do I believe you are.  I am, like you, trying to follow Jesus and stay always ready to meet Him. As Fidelis rightly says, “In the meantime, however, we all should continue to employ the greatest weapon we have against Satan, praying and fasting.”
I think we can all agree on that! God bless us all.

The point about name-calling is absolutely right.  The same goes for those who call MDM all sorts of names, on the erroneous justification that Jesus Christ also called people “hypocrites,” “fox,”, etc.  Jesus Christ was God and therefore knew who was a hypocrite, a fox, etc.  Like St. Peter said to Him: “Lord You know everything.”  We are human beings and do not know who is a hypocrite, or a fox, or a charlatan, etc.  Therefore, we should treat each other with charity and refrain from the name-calling, even if we disagree with the other person.
The other point about being careful of false prophets is equally important.  As St. Paul warned us: We should work out our salvation with trembling and fear.  And that is why regarding these Messages and other spiritual matters we might encounter in our lives, we should approach the Lord Jesus Himself naked and with a child-like humility, preferably before an exposed Blessed Sacrament or in a Church where there is a Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle.  If we ask The Blessed Mother for help, the Lord Jesus will NEVER, NEVER fail to give us His gift of discernment.  And when He does, He will also give you the armor to shield yourself against the forces who are preventing you from listening to these messages.  As I said before on this forum, we make the fatal mistake of thinking the false prophet will come but not in our life time.  Who makes you think so?  Or that the false prophet can never be the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter because he is so humble and cares for the poor.  Two points here.  First, only God knows human souls and therefore knows who truly is humble.  Second, as one of the Messages put it, caring for the poor is admirable, but not at the expense of their spiritual needs like the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter did on Holy Thursday by breaking the Church’s long-standing Liturgical Law and washing the feet of women.  As Christ pointed out in one of the Messages following the hue and cry that broke out after that incident: “Humanism is not Christianity.” 
Finally, I want to point out that the goal of MDM’s messages is simply to save souls.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Christ told her that this Mission is not about her, but about souls.  Hence, the call to fasting, attending daily mass, receiving holy communion, going to confessions weekly, praying the holy rosary and the divine mercy chaplet everyday, at least one hour Eucharistic Adoration before an exposed Blessed Sacrament everyday, and praying the 100+ other beautiful prayers given through the Messages.  For those who argue that these messages could be coming from the devil to cause us to hate the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter and cause schism in the Catholic Church, they are yet to respond to the argument that the devil cannot seriously want to achieve a result by embarking on actions he knows would certainly cause the opposite result, since doing all of the above would certainly prevent the devil’s wishes from becoming realities.  So, I humbly suggest again that we continue doing all of the above because if we do and the prophecies come true, we would be on the side of God.  We would never loose a thing by praying and fasting.  Indeed we would gain everything. 

One thing many of you are overlooking is that when the official Church decides that a visionary or someone’s alleged messages are false and a danger to the faith we should submit to this authority IT IS CALLED BEING FAITHFUL TO THE MAGISTERIUM OF THE CHURCH.  That is what is pleasing to God.  Prayer and fasting without obedience is like dead works.  IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN PRAYING LIKE ANGELS BUT HAVING THE PRIDE OF SATAN.  OBEDIENCE IS WHAT PLEASES GOD.  THAT IS WHAT GOD IS LOOKING FOR HUMILITY, HUMILITY, HUMILITY CLOTHED IN OBEDIENCE.
In Scripture Jesus warns us that not all who say “Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom but He who does the will of my Father” and the will of the Father is that we should obey HIS CHURCH WHICH HE GAVE US TO LEAD US IN ALL TRUTHS. WHY?  BECAUSE THE CHURCH ALONE HAS BEEN GIVEN THE CHARISM OF INFALLIBLITY TO LEAD US IN MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS AND THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO BY CHRIST HIMSELF!  DON’T BELIEVE THIS READ THE SCRIPTURES IT IS RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE.
MOST OF US SEEM TO FORGET THAT YOU OR I OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER ARE FALLIBLE CREATURES AND PRONE TO MISTAKES THAT IS WHY CHRIST GAVE US THE CHURCH AND THE MAGISTERIUM TO LEAD US. 
SINCE WE HAVE FREE WILL PEOPLE CAN CONTINUE IN THEIR ERRONEOUS OPIONS EVEN WHEN THE TRUTH IS PRESENTED TO THEM BUT IN THE END THERE WILL BE AN ACCOUNTING.  WHY?  IT IS CALLED CULPABLE IGNORANCE BECAUSE ERRORS COULD HAVE BEEN CLEARED UP WITH SUFFICINET DILIGENCE. 

Patty
A comment on your statement “Shame on all of you because you fight against God when you do that.”  NO CATHOLIC IS OBLIGED TO BELIEVE PRIVATE REVELATION AND IF ONE DOES ONE IS NOT FIGHTING AGAINSTS GOD. 
AS TO YOUR COMMENT “You are either with God ready to pray and follow Him or not.”  AND WHO MADE YOU THE JUDGE OF WHO IS WITH GOD AND WHO IS AGAINST?  AS NOTED ABOVE ACCEPTING OR REJECTING PRIVATE REVELATION IS NOT A CRITERIA FOR BEING WITH GOD OR NOT. 
PERHAPS YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE STUDYING YOUR FAITH TO KNOW IT BETTER AND STOP DEPENDING ON YOUR PRIVATE OPINIONS AND MAKING THAT THE GOSPEL TRUTH.
As for following the Lord and being prepared that is something we should be doing every day or our lives since no one knows the day or the hour of their death.

If I were you, Patti, I would not respond.  When you hear people talk about disobedience to the magisterium of the Church, you would think the Vatican, the final arbiter on the matter, had instructed the faithful not to listen or believe MDM’s messages.  Not true.  Nor can they.  The dissenting chatters you hear concern objections from bishops and archbishops who do not have ecclesiastical jurisdiction over MDM and thus the authority to pronounce on the authenticity or lack thereof of MDM’s Messages.  And even if, for argument’s sake, they have the ecclesiastical authority over MDM and the Messages, continuing to believe in MDM’s messages despite their objections would not constitute disobedience to the Church.  Moreover, even if Vatican, the final arbiter on the matter, instructs people not to listen to MDM, such an instruction would only constitute disobedience if done under the infallible authority of the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter, which is highly unlikely.  MDM’s Messages are private revelations, which the Church teaches are not necessary for one’s salvation.  The Church teaches that only public revelations are necessary for one’s salvation, and the last public revelation ended with the death of St. John the Beloved Apostle, or The Book of Revelation.  Practically speaking, therefore, the pope can never wade into the authenticity or lack thereof of a private revelation under his infallible authority.  Never.  And even in private revelations that have been approved by the Church, the Church always still advises that believing in them is not necessary for one’s salvation.  So, when you hear people scaring others by telling them they are being disobedient to the Church by believing in MDM’s messages because some bishops somewhere told them not to, not true.  Please indulge me by allowing me to illustrate my point with Medjugorje.  Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar Diocese, whose ecclesiastical jurisdiction encompasses Mejurgorje, does not believe in the Mejurgorje apparitions and has objected.  Still, can anyone say that the millions of pilgrims that have thronged to Medjurgorje in the last two decades or so are disobedient to the Church because of the objections of Bishop Peric, who has ecclesiastical authority of over Medjurgorje?  Not at all.  Blessed John Paul II believed in it and met with the visionaries.  The Vatican, under Pope Benedict, indirectly encouraged visits to Medjurgorje because of its undeniable fruits among the faithful.  I have not visited (I hope to one day by God’s grace) but my best friend, who is a Catholic priest, went and told me he had never seen such a thing before.  He said he heard confessions of the youths from morning till night.  He so much liked it that he would like to be visiting every year or so, if possible.  So, because Bishop Peric, who has the ecclesiastical authority to investigate Medjurgorje apparitions, does not believe in the apparitions, can one truly say that believing in Medjurgorje apparitions is being disobedient to the Church?  Not at all.  Nor can one say the faithful from Australia and Slovakia are being disobedient to the Church because their local bishops has instructed them not to visit Medjurgorje and they did.  These bishops do not even have jurisdiction under Medjurgorje.  The same is applicable to MDM.  I read that her local bishop, who has the ecclesiastical authority to investigate and advise the Church on her Messages, said he is withholding judgment until after The Warning, which, if true, is a very prudent thing to do.  The bishops of Australia and Slovakia, or any other bishop for that matter do not have the authority to forbid the faithful all over the world from believing or disbelieving in MDM’s Messages.

Actually Fidelis Archbishop Denis J Hart does have ecclesiastical jurisdiction over the dissemination of her messages since he is the Archbishop of Melbourne and MDM and her followers are operating in his turf.  PLUS THE SLOVIKINA CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS HAVE ECCLESAISTICAL JURISDICTION ON THEIR TURF AS WELL AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO ALLOW HER TO DISSEMINATE HER MESSAGES THERE AS WELL SINCE THEY ARE DANGEROUS TO THE FAITH.

As for Medjugorj and here I quote you.  “Please indulge me by allowing me to illustrate my point with Medjugorje. Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar Diocese, whose ecclesiastical jurisdiction encompasses Mejugorje, does not believe in the Mejurgorje apparitions and has objected. Still, can anyone say that the millions of pilgrims that have thronged to Medjurgorje in the last two decades or so are disobedient to the Church because of the objections of Bishop Peric, who has ecclesiastical authority of over Medjugorje.” 

Once again a total misunderstanding and misinterpretation of what is actually the position on Medjugorje.  YOU WOULD BE WISE TO READ THINGS IN CONTEXT. 

What the Church has forbidden. From the statements given to date by ecclesiastical authorities it is clear that no one holding an office in the Church (bishop, pastor, rector, chaplain or other) may by virtue of that office lend official sanction to activities which tend to assert the supernaturality of Medjugorje, that is, to contradict the decisions made by competent local authority. Those statements speak only of pilgrimages organized under official auspices; however, common sense tells us that a conference or other activity sponsored by a diocese, parish or other Catholic institution would also be prohibited. Likewise,  there could not be public veneration (cultus) of the Blessed Virgin under the title of Our Lady of Medjugorje, since this would suggest the certainty of her appearing there. The title Queen of Peace, however, is already part of the patrimony of the Church.

What the Church permits. … Catholics may go to Medjugorje. Such pilgrimages may even include priests acting as chaplains, as opposed to officially sponsoring them. Also, the Church has not suppressed discussion of Medjugorje, therefore, it is allowed. Common sense, however, says that Catholics on both sides of the Medjugorje issue should exercise prudence and charity in speaking of others who believe differently. Medjugorje is not a litmus test of orthodoxy, though every Catholic will have a moral obligation to accept the judgement of Rome, in the manner Pope Benedict explained, should it ever be rendered.
SO YOU SEE FIDELIS THERE IS NO ONE BEING DISOBEDIENT BY VISITING MEDJUGORJE.  PEOPLE ARE FREE TO GO THERE AS PIRGRIMES AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT CLAIM THAT THE CHURCH IS OFFICIALLY SPONSORING THEM.

TO CONCLUDE MEDJUGORJE IS NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE VATICAN AND NOT THE LOCAL BISHOP AND IT IS THEY WHO WILL DECIDE IF IT IS AUTHENTIC OR NOT.  WHAT THE PRILGRIMS OWE THE LOCAL BISHOP IS RESPECT AND OBEDIENCE TO HIS LITURGICAL-PASTORAL DIRECTIVES.

Margie, there appears to be a thread of anger within your writings which will not be helped by your consistent opposition to these messages from Heaven. I suggest you ‘back it up’ and think about all the reasons why God is acting as He is. Why is it that many make a good confession and then almost immediately sin again without challenging their will. They act on a whim. So too bishops and priests and laity should be discerning these beautiful messages and testing them by praying the wonderful crusade prayers (my favorite is No. 46) and realizing that God in His amazing Mercy is reaching out to us in this terrible ‘storm’ and helping us into the boat. Debate is all good however think more about why God is doing what He is doing at this time in history. Previously Jesus helped Peter out of the water when his faith dwindled and God helped Noah into the ark to survive the waters of chastisement. Today God sends us a life-line through His last prophet Maria Divine Mercy to save us from Purifying Fire…are we prepared to listen and then to act. I pray for you all. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary your well-beloved spouse.

Mother of Mercy ~ Divine Mercy ~ Sacred Heart of Jesus through the Immaculate Heart of your Mother, Mary lead us on the sure road of faith, hope and love ~ home to Heaven. Teach us to pray more and to live a sacramental life, a true life in God so that we may overcome every obstacle which tries to defeat us. Heavenly Father, thank you for sending us your only Son, Jesus to teach us everything about you. Send us your Holy Spirit to light-up the darkness which surrounds us so that we will continue to see the beauty of this wonderful faith you have freely given us and lastly I pray that you will enlighten all who enter this website and all of those who hear of Your prophet Maria Divine Mercy to discern the ‘message’ with their hearts. Amen

Amen, brother Paul.  Jesus knew you would be writing in this forum and just dropped this one about loving one’s neighbor and being charitable to one’s neighbor, even those we disagree with.  Here is the latest from Jesus through MDM:
Love only comes from Me. Hatred does not
Thursday, May 16th, 2013
My dearly beloved daughter, it will be by the Power of Love that humanity can and will be saved. The Love I speak of is God’s Love, which flows in the hearts of mankind. God’s Love is present in the hearts of all His children, including those who deny Him. It will be your love for one another, which will sustain you during the trials, which lie ahead. Show love and charity to your neighbour and be kind to the poor, the weak and the helpless and I will make you Mine for eternity.
To those amongst you who deal harshly with others, who inflict pain on those over whom you rule and who whisper malice about others, you will be like empty vessels with nothing to offer Me. You must always follow My Teachings. Love only comes from Me. Hatred does not. Those who say they honour Me and speak evil of others, although they claim to uphold My Word and guard My Name – they do not honour Me. They insult Me and their shame will become evident on the Great Day. Never, for one moment, think that you can live without love in your hearts for others, for if you don’t have love for others then you deny the Gift, which is given freely to all of God’s children. When you love Me truly, you will treat others with love and respect. When you are cruel to others, speak ill of them or unfairly criticise them, then you reject the Love I bestow on you. In its place is hatred. Hatred for another human being comes from Satan. When you allow hatred to harden your soul, you distance yourself from Me and you will be deeply agitated within your soul.
When you love another in My Name, you will do this through your words, your deeds and acts of charity. Love of God, lived according to His wishes, through His children, can save humanity. Love conquers evil. Satan’s power is destroyed in an instant when you show love to others who treat you badly. You must work hard to allow love to envelop you, so that you can spread this great grace to others.
Love breeds love in others. Love brings life. Love brings forgiveness. Love destroys evil. Without love evil will thrive.
Your Jesus.”

My! My! How we read into things.  Perhaps you are the one who is angry but in denial of it   MDM is not God’s last prophet except in her twisted imagination.  Like it or not the Church will continue to speak out against her when necessary.  Except for your own SUBJECTIVE OPINION you cannot prove these alleged messages are from heaven nor do you have the authority or the competence to declare them so.

AND TO YOUR STATEMENT THAT BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND LAITY SHOULD BE DISCERNING THESE MESSAGES BY SAYING A CRUSADER PRAYER, HOGWASH!  THEY DO NOT NEED TO SAY A CRUSADER PRAYER TO TEST THEIR AUTHENTICITY THEY HAVE THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.  BY THE WAY AN AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THE CHURCH BY CHRIST HIMSELF!  I WONDER WHY I BOTHER TO SAY THIS SINCE IT IS OBVIOUS FIDELIS THAT YOU LISTEN TO KNOW ONE AND ARE SUBJECTIVE TO KNOW ONE.  OOPS SORRY YOU LISTEN TO MDM AND CONSIDER YOUR PERSONAL, SUBJECTIVE OPINION TO BE INFALLIBLE AND ABOVE ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY. 

YOUR COMMENT “Why is it that many make a good confession and then almost immediately sin again without challenging their will.  REALLY!  HOW DO YOU KNOW AND WHO GAVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO PROBE THE CONSCIENCE OF OTHER PEOPLE?  LIFE IS A CONSTANT BATTLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL AND PEOPLE GO TO CONFESSION TO RECEIVE THE GRACES TO DO BETTER.  THAT IS WHY ONGOING CONFESSION IS NECESSARY TO WIN THE BATTLE.  YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO MAKE SUCH A JUDGMENTAL STATEMENT FOR YOU ARE NOT GOD AND YOU DO NOT KNOW AND CANNOT KNOW WHAT STRUGGLES PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH IN THEIR JOURNEY TOWARD GOD. SO BACK OFF IN YOUR JUDGEMENTAL ATTUTUDE!  I WAS NOT ANGRY BEFORE BUT THIS TYPE OF ATTITUDE REALLY TICKS ME OFF.

DO WHAT YOU WANT YOU ARE A FREE AGENT.  AS FOR ME AND MY HOUSEHOLD WE ARE OBEDIENT TO THE CHURCH AND HER AUTHORITY AND BACK UP POPE FRANCIS 100%.  WE ALSO STAND BEHIND THE DICISION OF THE ARCHBISHOP OF MELBOURNE AS WELL AS THE SLOVAKIAN CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS. AND, YES I WILL CONTINUE IN CONSISTENTLY OPPOSING THIS PERSON BECAUSE SHE IS NOT A TRUE PROPHET BUT A CHARLATAN LEADING MANY ASTRAY.

Sorry I should have addressed this to Paul but he sounds just like Fidelis.
As they say great minds think alike but fools never differ!

Transaction accepted Margie ;)

Please, please Paul, let it go.  Let’s all continue to pray for one another.  Tomorrow is the feast of Pentecost.  Let’s pray to Jesus to send us His Holy Spirit and His Precious Gift of Discernment.  He loves us all and this MDM Mission, according to Him, is not about any one of us, including MDM.  Rather, it is about all of us; about saving all of our souls.  His wish is that every single man, woman, and child on earth be saved.  Let’s fast and pray for one another so this Holy and generous wish of Our Saviour becomes a reality.

I think what Paul was implying is that many today confess (with it’s many graces) and they leave to live a sinless life but they last only a short time because they don’t make enough effort to change, and of course this includes all of us as God’s children. He makes good points despite upsetting Margie on this point.

In case you missed it, the latest Message from Jesus through MDM:
Love only comes from Me. Hatred does not
Thursday, May 16th, 2013
My dearly beloved daughter, it will be by the Power of Love that humanity can and will be saved. The Love I speak of is God’s Love, which flows in the hearts of mankind. God’s Love is present in the hearts of all His children, including those who deny Him. It will be your love for one another, which will sustain you during the trials, which lie ahead. Show love and charity to your neighbour and be kind to the poor, the weak and the helpless and I will make you Mine for eternity.
To those amongst you who deal harshly with others, who inflict pain on those over whom you rule and who whisper malice about others, you will be like empty vessels with nothing to offer Me. You must always follow My Teachings. Love only comes from Me. Hatred does not. Those who say they honour Me and speak evil of others, although they claim to uphold My Word and guard My Name – they do not honour Me. They insult Me and their shame will become evident on the Great Day. Never, for one moment, think that you can live without love in your hearts for others, for if you don’t have love for others then you deny the Gift, which is given freely to all of God’s children. When you love Me truly, you will treat others with love and respect. When you are cruel to others, speak ill of them or unfairly criticise them, then you reject the Love I bestow on you. In its place is hatred. Hatred for another human being comes from Satan. When you allow hatred to harden your soul, you distance yourself from Me and you will be deeply agitated within your soul.
When you love another in My Name, you will do this through your words, your deeds and acts of charity. Love of God, lived according to His wishes, through His children, can save humanity. Love conquers evil. Satan’s power is destroyed in an instant when you show love to others who treat you badly. You must work hard to allow love to envelop you, so that you can spread this great grace to others.
Love breeds love in others. Love brings life. Love brings forgiveness. Love destroys evil. Without love evil will thrive.
Your Jesus

Thomas
Again that is a presumptuous and judgmental statement.  YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING WITH   AS THE BIBLE STATES THE JUST MAN SINS SEVEN TIMES A DAY.  DOES THAT MEAN THE JUST MAN IS NOT MAKING ENOUGH EFFORT TO CHANGE?  AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR OWN SINS, YOUR FAULTS AND YOR FAILINGS?  HOW WELL ARE YOU OVERCOMING THEM?  TO GO BY YOUR MEASUREING STICK ARE THEY STILL WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT MAKING ENOUGH EFFORT TO OVER COME THEM.  I THINK YOU ALL NEED TO REMEMBER ST PAUL WHO ASKED JESUS THREE TIMES TO TAKE AWAY THE THORN IN HIS SIDE AND JESUS RESPONDED BY SAYING THAT “MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT”.  GOD CHOSE NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE TEMPATION BUT RATHER WANTED PAUL TO RELY ON GOD’S GRACE AND PROBABLY TO KEEP PAUL HUMBLE AND MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE STRUGGLES OF OTHERS IN THEIR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY.  GOD DOES THE SAME WITH US FOR THE SAME REASONS.  SO JUST BECAUSE OUTWARDLY SOMEONE SEEMS TO NOT BE MAKING THE EFFOT OR ANY PROGRESS IN IRRADICATING THE SIN WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO PRESUME THEY ARE NOT MAKING ANY EFFORT, FOR THEY TOO ARE STRUGGLING LIKE THE REST OF HUMANITY.  SO NEXT TIME YOU ARE TEMPTED TO JUDGE CONSIDER YOUR OWN SINFULNESS AND YOUR INABILITY TO OVERCOME CERTAIN FAULTS AND FAILINGS AND THAT INCLUDES BEING JUDGMENTAL

JUST REMEMBER WE ALL LEAVE THE CONFESSIONAL WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO COMMIT THAT SIN AGAIN.  WELL GUESS WHAT WE ALL DO IT AGAIN.  NO ONE IS EXEMPT! 

I’ve been watching this battle from the sidelines for over two months, and I have to say, as a Catholic convert, it’s getting embarrassing; I came to the Catholic Church in part to get away from this sort of thing, what a fool I was to think people would be different.  It reminds me of a time we were having problems with a senior pastor at Fifth Avenue Presbyterian in New York City…turned out to be the first of many, but that’s beside the point.  They had a meeting one night to discuss the matter, people lined up one by one, went up to a microphone and basically crucified the man, tearing him apart in little bits and pieces.  He was eventually let go.  I sat in the balcony the entire time, studying for an exam I had the next day, as the ‘discussion’ went on for what seemed like forever.  No difference here, it’s been over two months and still, talking, and for what?  Obviously the woman said some things which may or may not be true.  So what else is new, it happens every day in this corrupt world.  Almost no one tells the truth any more, about anything, just look at the evening news, financial markets, personal ads, politics.

My suggestion is this, why don’t we talk about John Leary instead.  Now there’s something worth discussing.  This is a man who has been receiving messages for twenty years, saying essentially the same thing as MDM.  He is a Catholic in good standing, has a spiritual director who has approved his messages, etc.  I met him myself, he gave a talk locally, travels extensively across the US and in Canada spreading the word.  If you don’t want to believe MDM it’s certainly understandable, the woman won’t even give us the whole truth about who she is, what she’s up to.  To ignore twenty years of messages from Jesus to John Leary saying almost the exact same thing, now there’s something worth fighting about.  www.johnleary.com

Pamela
Regarding John Leary here is his bishops statement on him:

BISHOP MATHEW CLARK’S OFFICIAL STATEMENT ON JOHN LEARY
Statement on John Leary’s visions
7/7/99
In the past few years, John Leary Jr., of Greece, has published more than 15 books on private revelations he claims to have received from Jesus, Mary and various saints. In a letter dated June 25, Bishop Matthew H. Clark notified Mr. Leary that he judges these “locutions” human in origin, not divine, based on the unanimous judgement of a Commission appointed by the Bishop to review his works.
Under current church law, Mr. Leary was not required to seek Bishop Clark’s permission to publish. However, Bishop Clark, exercising his ordinary pastoral responsibility, initiated a review of these volumes more than a year ago. The Commission of clergy and laity with expertise in spiritual theology and psychology, was established to study Mr. Leary’s writings and offer an informed judgement about their source. They found him “psychologically sound and spiritually serious” but felt he misjudged ordinary mental prayer to be supernatural communication.
Recognizing Mr. Leary’s strong faith as a Roman Catholic, Bishop Clark did not forbid him to write or teach. However, he insist (sic) that a corrective preface be inserted in each newly printed or reprinted volume. This preface warns readers against various doctrinal errors in the works, such as his teaching about an upcoming thousand-year reign of Christ on earth or that the next pope elected should not be obeyed. In addition, the Bishop asked Mr. Leary to seek theological advisement before printing any future books.
-end-
Rochester Courier - Diocesan Newspaper Report
CATHOLIC COURIER - July 15th, 1999
Bishop Mathew H. Clark has declared that John Leary - a
Catholic layman who has claimed to have interior visions of
Jesus, Mary and some saints, has misjudged ordinary mental
prayer for supernatural communication.
Bishop Clark also said Leary’s messages contain doctrinal
errors that run counter to the Catholic Faith. Leary was
informed of the Bishops decision through a meeting with
Diocesan officials and a June 25th letter from the Bishop.
However, Bishop Clark stressed that the diocese considers
Leary a “Faithful Roman Catholic”. The Bishop said he will
not forbid Leary to publish or teach about the messages he
claims to receive during the visions, so long as he points
out in his published works that the diocese considers the
messages to be of human origin.
  Over the past six years — Leary, a retired Kodak chemist
who lives in the Rochester suburb of Greece — has detailed
the messages in public talks and 13 published volumes.
Titled Prepare for the Great Tribulation and the Coming Era
of Peace, the volumes have sold in the tens of thousands,
and have appeared on Catholic bestseller lists.
 
Each volume is a diary of the messages — known as
“locutions” — Leary claims to have received daily since July
1993.
Bishop Clark has asked Leary to place a preface in each
newly printed work or reprinted volume. The preface is to
warn readers against various doctrinal errors in Leary’s
works. The diocese announced Bishop Clark’s decision in a
July 7 press statement.
Leary has claimed that his locutions warn of the coming of
the anti-Christ, a political leader who will forge an
alliance with the next pope. According to Leary’s diaries,
this pope — whom Leary calls a false pope — will replace
Pope John Paul II after the current pontiff is exiled. Leary
writes that the false pope will undermine church teachings
and support persecution of religious and political opponents
of the anti-Christ’s regime.
The preface required by the bishop outlines two errors, in
particular, that concerned him and a five-member commission
he appointed to study Leary’s writings over the past year.
In addition to Father Joseph A. Hart, diocesan vicar general
and Pastoral Center moderator, the commission comprised
three theologians and a psychiatrist.
“The first (error) is called by the Church
‘millenarianism,’” the preface reads. “This erroneous
teaching, contained in the first 6 volumes of Prepare for
the Great Tribulation and the Coming Era of Peace, holds
that Christ will return to reign on the earth for a thousand
years at the end of time.” The preface goes on to quote the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, which rejects a literal
interpretation of the thousand-year reign of Christ referred
to in the Book of Revelation.
“The Church has rejected even modified forms of this
falsification of the kingdom to come under the name
millenarianism ...,” the catechism states.
Interestingly, Volume VI of Leary’s locutions, published in
1997, actually contains a passage in which he claims Jesus
told him on March 27, 1997, “The leaders of My Church have
made binding interpretations of ‘millenarianism’ which I
wish you to acknowledge under obedience to My Magisterium.
They have not interpreted one thousand years to be taken
literally. I will not reign then in My Body. Only
spiritually will I be present.”
The preface also points out that Leary’s books counter
church doctrine on the office of the pope.
“The second error is ‘anti-papalism’...,” the preface
continues. “Mr. Leary’s locutions select Pope John Paul II
to be obeyed but his successor to be ignored as an ‘imposter
(sic) pope.’ This erroneous teaching is found in all the
volumes.”
The bishop’s June 25 letter stated:
“The Commission is convinced that you are sincere in your
affirmation that these are supernatural (locutions), that
you are psychologically healthy and that you have not
perpetrated a fraud on the community,” the bishop wrote.
“Nevertheless, they are persuaded that you have mistaken the
normal workings of the mind in the processes of mental
prayer for supernatural locutions.”
The Catholic Courier attempted to contact Leary both at his
Greece home and in Ireland where he is reportedly speaking,
but was unable to reach him. However, Father Hart said that
Leary had told the diocese he would cooperate with the
bishop’s request.  Father Hart also said Leary has agreed to
use a theological adviser to work with him on future
volumes.
Father Hart said the diocese decided to examine Leary’s
volumes after a number of people asked diocesan officials
about them. Commission members met with Leary and found him
to be “sincere, open, straightforward, honest, spiritual,
but mistaken,” Father Hart said.
Father Hart said the commission unanimously found that
Leary’s writings were riddled with doctrinal errors and that
they were of human origin. He said the messages themselves
were the basis for this finding.
In addition, Father Hart said he believes Leary does not
fit the pattern of a true visionary. He noted that Leary’s
own beliefs correspond too closely to those reported from
the locutions, whereas genuine visionaries often learn
something that either contradicts or goes beyond what they
believed before the vision.
For example, he cited St. Bernadette, to whom the Blessed
Virgin Mary appeared in 1858, at the French grotto of
Massabielle, saying “I am the Immaculate Conception.” That
was a term with which the saint — then a 14-year-old girl —
was completely unfamiliar.
Another difference Father Hart noted between Leary and
genuine visionaries is the fact that he did not express any
reluctance about having such visions. Genuine prophets and
visionaries often resist God’s call, Father Hart said,
pointing to Jeremiah and other biblical figures as examples.
Yet Leary seemed to have a great desire to be such a
prophet, Father Hart said, a quality that predisposed him to
have locutions of the kind he has had.
“There is no prophet who really wants to be a prophet,”
Father Hart concluded.

Agree with you Margie. I heard about John Leary 20 years ago and the messages didn’t ring true for me neither.

The bottom line to all of this is simply that we have absolutely no need for the works of John Leary.  We already have two of the most powerful sources of information about these times that we will ever have: The works of Maria Valtorta and the messages from Medjugorje. Most folks who follow these know that the Vatican will soon admit the authenticity of Valtorta and Medjugorje, and hopefully intelligent and concerned Christians will flock to these two sources—with Scripture they are all that we need for salvation and as amunition to face these end times.  Meanwhile, let’s pray for each other and stop bickering.

Peter the Roman.
Rome was the end of Peter’s life, but the beginning of eternity with God.
Rome was the end of Peter’s path to Jesus Christ, and the beginning of his eternal rest in Heaven.
Rome was where Peter showed how much he loved Jesus Christ, true God and true Man, when he gave his life for Him.

I didn’t read the quotes carefully about John Leary, probably because I’ve read them before, many times, met him in person, find it impossible to believe he would fabricate messages, travel extensively, etc. without compensation for so many years.  He’s a humble peaceful man, full of the Holy Spirit, and his wife is the same way.  From all indications he is a man of great faith, and is telling the truth.  Normally I would agree about the workings of the human mind, the problem with that theory is the messages are filled with information that only someone in my professional line of work would know about, and even if someone is in the same business, it’s extremely rare that they would have any of the information contained in the messages.  I spoke with John about this and am convinced the details in the messages are not something he could possibly have come up with on his own.  Enough said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but frankly I think it’s unwise to ignore John Leary messages.  The reason I’m responding again, I read most of Valtorta’s writings, on that we can probably all agree, they’re truly amazing, way beyond human.

Pamela

As you say everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I agree.  However when the Bishop comes out against anyone’s messages being of divine origin we need to pay heed.  After all they are not giving an opinion but are using their ecclesiastical authority along with due investigation to make a pronouncement.  We must remember that it is the obligation of the local bishop to investigate and to decide and it is up to the faithful to be obedient to their decision. 
The bishop has not forbidden the reading of John’s material what he has done is made clear that they are not of supernatural origins.  We owe obedience to our ecclesiastical superiors in matters over which they have authority.  The Bishop has made a formal statement and we are not to exercise private judgment that would lead us evade the responsibility we have of obeying legitimate ecclesiastical superiors.  Sometimes humility lies in our cheerfully accepting what we do not like in matter of faith and morals otherwise disobedience can do enormous damage.

Margie,
I followed less than half of your last post, it reads like a legal document to me, and not a very nice one.  I’m a simple soul who was called to conversion by the Holy Spirit, no one has told me much of anything, other than in RCIA, I don’t even get a hello from anyone at church since I joined.  I’m doing the best I can to figure everything out on my own.  If you’re looking for a debate you’re in the wrong pew.
Pamela

Pamela
My apologies!  No I am not looking for a debate was just trying to clarify some points so again I apologize if you felt intimidated by my post for that was not my intent.  I didn’t know you were a recent convert.  Welcome home but I’m very sorry you are experiencing a coldness in your church community.  Take heart there are some wonderful and caring Catholics but as a general rule Catholics seem reluctant to reach out or open their hearts to others especially if they are new to the parish something I find very puzzling.  It should be the other way round.  If it’s any comfort I too belong to an unfriendly parish.  I have yet to figure out how we can all worship at the same table and this is on a daily basis yet have difficulty reaching out to others and even when you do people seem reluctant to reciprocate.  I haven’t figured this one out either.  In this area we could learn from our Protestant brothers and sisters who seem better at building a friendly and caring community. 

The Bishops of Australia or Slovakia do not have jurisdiction over MDM. This is true. However, the DO have the last word about what material is circulated or otherwise promulgated in parish churches under their jurisdiction. They DO have the authority to prohibit the messages from MDM from being published in their churches.

Pamela,
I too welcome you to the Catholic Faith. It’ before…ever :)
None of us know for absolutely sure, however, the Holy Spirit speaks to the heart. I believe they’re from God.

What I tried to write above is: Never before has there been such strong and widespread conflict of opinion about a prophet… ever to my knowledge.

Hello again everybody!  I include this link for everyone’s interest:
http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html
Anyone wondering about mystics who are ‘true’ or ‘false’ should read this, because it helps us to have an understanding of how these things can play out.
I am not adding this to start a whole new tangent for discussion (or argument!) but purely to provide some beneficial food for thought.  Again, God bless!
NB: We here have many different opinions and beliefs, (some of which frustrate me considerably), however, I am filled with gratitude that we’re united in the Communion of Saints. What a blessing God gives us in this!

Dixibehr, all bishops should have jurisdixation over MDM simply because she or he remains totally anoynomous. The utube recording has a female irish voice but noone knows for certain if this person or persons is female or otherwise. “She” is spreading her messages worldwide so it is the duty of every bishop worldwide to speak out. She is calling for a schism in the catholic church and this cannot be ignored. The first duty of every “seer” is obedience to the magisterium of the church. Jesus even told saints in the past that their obedience to their superior was very pleasing to him even if it meant not obeying him. This is how important obedience is and that is one of the reasons why we have the magisterium so that the church can be guided through them and our holy father. Even Jesus is in obedience to them because he said “WHAT EVER YOU JOIN TOGETHER ON EARTH I CONSIDER JOINED TOGETHER IN HEAVEN AND WHAT YOU PUT ASSUNDER ON EARTH I CONSIDER PUT ASSUNDER IN HEAVEN.” so who does MDM think she is that she can override the authority that Jesus gave to His Church on earth. MDM has NO OBEDIENCE
to God and His church so this is a sure sign that there is much pride and pride is the great sin of Satan Jesus would never move the goal posts on His Church, what he said about the power that he gave to His Church still stands even if they are slow at moving. Do you honestly think that He didn’t know the flaws of humankind when He handed His Church over to them, of course He did and I believe that He compensates for that.

What Is Heresy?

Heresy is an emotionally loaded term that is often misused. It is not the same thing as incredulity, schism, apostasy, or other sins against faith. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, “Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him” (CCC 2089).

To commit heresy, one must refuse to be corrected. A person who is ready to be corrected or who is unaware that what he has been saying is against Church teaching is not a heretic.

A person must be baptized to commit heresy. This means that movements that have split off from or been influenced by Christianity, but that do not practice baptism (or do not practice valid baptism), are not heresies, but separate religions. Examples include Muslims, who do not practice baptism, and Jehovah’s Witnesses, who do not practice valid baptism.

Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by God and solemnly defined by the Church (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Mass, the pope’s infallibility, or the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary).

Heresy, Schism and Apostasy

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Definitions
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines these three sins against the faith in this way:

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.

“Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;

apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith;

schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” [Code of Canon Law c.751]

The Church’s moral theology has always distinguished between objective or material sin and formal sin. The person who holds something contrary to the Catholic faith is materially a heretic. They possess the matter of heresy, theological error. Thus, prior to the Second Vatican Council it was quite common to speak of non-Catholic Christians as heretics, since many of their doctrines are objectively contrary to Catholic teaching. This theological distinction remains true, though in keeping with the pastoral charity of the Council today we use the term heretic only to describe those who willingly embrace what they know to be contrary to revealed truth. Such persons are formally (in their conscience before God) guilty of heresy. Thus, the person who is objectively in heresy is not formally guilty of heresy if 1) their ignorance of the truth is due to their upbringing in a particular religious tradition (to which they may even be scrupulously faithful), and 2) they are not morally responsible for their ignorance of the truth. This is the principle of invincible ignorance, which Catholic theology has always recognized as excusing before God.

The same is true of apostasy. The person who leaves not just the Catholic Church but who abandons Christ Himself is materially an apostate. He is formally an apostate through willful, and therefore culpable, repudiation of the Christian faith.
Finally, the person who refuses submission to the Roman Pontiff, whom Vatican I defined as having a universal primacy of authority over the whole Church, is at least a material schismatic. It was thus common in the past to speak of the schismatic Orthodox Churches who broke with Rome in 1054. As with heresy, we no longer assume the moral culpability of those who belong to Churches in schism from Rome, and thus no long refer to them as schismatics.

Excommunication

When it comes to Catholics who are formally guilty of heresy, apostasy or schism, the Church applies the penalty of excommunication. The 1983 Code of Canon Law, repeating the sanctions of the earlier 1917 Code, states,

c. 1364
1. With due regard for can. 194, part 1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic or a schismatic incurs automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication and if a cleric, he can also be punished by the penalties mentioned in can. 1336, part 1, nn. 1, 2, and 3.
2. If long lasting contumacy or the seriousness of scandal warrants it, other penalties can be added including dismissal from the clerical state. 
This canon is saying that once a person willingly repudiates Christ, embraces a heresy, knowing it to be contrary to divine and Catholic faith, or refuses submission to the Roman Pontiff (or communion with the members of the Church subject to him), by virtue of the law itself they are automatically excommunicated. No ecclesiastical act is necessary and no public notice. 
 
However, to incur this latae sententia excommunication one must satisfy the general conditions for canonical culpability set out in the Code. For example, a person who has not been diligent (prudently weighing the issues involved) in their action is not punished.
c. 1321
1. No one is punished unless the external violation of a law or a precept committed by the person is seriously imputable to that person by reason of malice or culpability.
2. A person who has deliberately violated a law or a precept is bound by the penalty stated in the law or that precept; unless a law or a precept provides otherwise, a person who has violated that law or that precept through a lack of necessary diligence is not punished.
3. Unless it is otherwise evident, imputability is presumed whenever an external violation has occurred.

A person who lacks the proper use of reason is likewise not punishable.

c. 1322 Persons who habitually lack the use of reason are considered incapable of an offense even if they have violated a law or a precept while appearing to be sane. 
The following canon completes the list of conditions that can prevent the application of an excommunication and other ecclesiastical sanctions. 
c. 1323
The following are not subject to penalties when they have violated a law or precept:
(1) a person who has not yet completed the sixteenth year of age;
(2) a person who without any fault was unaware of violating a law or precept; however, inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;
(3) a person who acted out of physical force or in virtue of a mere accident which could neither be foreseen nor prevented when foreseen;
(4) a person who acted out of grave fear, even if only relatively grave, or out of necessity or out of serious inconvenience unless the act is intrinsically evil or verges on harm to souls;
(5) a person who for the sake of legitimate self-defense or defense of another acted against an unjust aggressor with due moderation;
(6) a person who lacked the use of reason with due regard for the prescriptions of cann. 1324, part 1, n. 2 and 1325;
(7) a person who without any fault felt that the circumstances in nn. 4 or 5 were verified.

Reconciliation

The penalty of excommunication carries with it the prohibition of receiving the sacraments, while not excusing from obligations such as Sunday and Holy Day Mass, Easter Duty etc… To be reconciled to the Church a person who has been excommunicated, even if that fact is known to the person alone, must first have the excommunication lifted. With the exception of certain crimes reserved to the Holy See, each bishop has the authority to remit the penalty of excommunication. However, he generally delegates this faculty to his priests, or at least to certain confessors (usually at the Cathedral). 
 
Thus, by going to confession one can usually have the penalty lifted. If recourse to higher authority is needed the confessor will say so and invite the person to return the following week or at another time. He will then obtain the remission of the penalty from the bishop (protecting the person’s anonymity, of course.) and communicate it to the penitent. The person is then free to make a good confession and be fully reconciled with Christ and the Church.
The Special Danger of Ultra-Traditionalist Movements

There is within the Church today a special danger for those who, often for seemingly legitimate reasons (abuses of the liturgy, the open promotion of heresy even by clergy, and similar causes), have sought refuge in traditionalist movements on the margins of the Church. These groups, distinguishable from those who love the Tridentine tradition of the Mass and sacraments and who celebrate them in Communion with the Pope, go their own way outside of the laws of the Church. They typically rationalize their disobedience by attacking the Second Vatican Council, the current liturgical rites, ecumenical and interreligious dialogue, and often Pope John Paul II personally, never distinguishing between teaching and law on the one hand, and the abuse of it by dissenters and the disobedient on the other. 
 
These groups, such as the Society of St. Pius X, of Pius V, the “We Resist You to Your Face” movement, Br. Dimond and Holy Family Monastery, make ready use of scandals to gain support among the unwary, who, discouraged by their local situation, may think they are joining a more perfect orthodoxy and a more loyal remnant of Catholics. Thankfully such motives may excuse the average person who takes comfort in such groups, at least initially, though as St. Thomas Aquinas teaches to take scandal in other’s sins is istself sinful. However, there is a great danger that starting from the material schism of refusing submission to the Pope, that all these groups have in common, the Catholic cannot long maintain the schizophrenic position of saying they are being submissive to the Pope while disobeying him. At some point they must choose and formally adhere to the schism of the group. In some cases the group identity depends on some formal repudiation of the “Novus Ordo” Church, very effectively hastening the spiritual demise of the lay adherent. 
Also unfortunate for such souls is the fact that these ultra-traditionalist groups profess to be doctrinally orthodox,  an orthodoxy which necessarily includes the teaching that Outside the Church There Is No Salvation. This means that someone who has formally separated himself from the Church through heresy or schism, or knowing the Church to be true failed to enter her, cannot be saved, unless of course they renounce their own will and reconcile with the Church. Unlike the non-Catholic Christian, can the super-orthodox claim invincible ignorance of this teaching? Can they escape the condemnation of Pope Boniface VIII, who in first elaborating it said, “this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: Whatsoever you shall bind etc. [Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God ...?  No wonder that given enough time such groups inevitably produce those who claim that the See of Peter is vacant, since the logic of their schismatic attitude is ultimately irreconcilable with the doctrine of papal primacy, as enunciated by both Pope Boniface and Vatican I.

\\Dixibehr, all bishops should have jurisdixation over MDM simply because she
or he remains totally anoynomous. \\
Maybe they should, but they don’t. I understand what you are saying and why you said it, but only the bishops where she lives, presumably Ireland, have ecclesiastical jurisdiction over her. However, let me tell you two stories about saints—they have the same ending.

St. Simon the Stylite lived on top of a pillar he built, He attracted a great number of visitors and would preach and give spiritual advice. A committee of bishops visited him and by their episcopal authority ordered him to come down as he was was making a scandalous spectacle of himself. St. Simon started to do so, and the bishops said, “Stop, Brother Simon, and stay where you are.  If you are obedient to the church authority, we know you are of God.”

St. Pio was likewise given the ability to see into people’s hearts, but his bishop ordered him secluded. He submitted—and this obedience is a sign of his sanctity.

Is Maria Divine Mercy obedient to the authority of the Church? Judge for yourselves, people.

Bigmo

Well said and right on the money!  THANK YOU!

I notice that Bigmo did not make one good comment about anything being said from Heaven to Maria Divine Mercy, full stop.
In 2013 when Jesus is suffering again on the Cross through the wickedness of man, many plod along as though nothing is wrong and hide behind e.g. l-o-n-g scripts.
This life we are living is all about discerning God through our hearts.
I for one MDM follower pray for Pope Francis at every Mass and every Rosary because he is my brother in Christ.
As with Our Lady to Fr Gobbi (To the Priests, my dearly beloved Sons) where She exposes masonry within the Vatican and the damage it is causing to the Faith, Jesus also in these messages is explaining to us mankind, today.

Dixibehr, I am glad you recognize that only MDM’s bishop has ecclesiastical jurisdiction over her.  When you hear all these chatters about her alleged pride and disobedience to the Church, you would think that her local bishop has asked her to stop or to do anything and she refused.  Not at all.  Her detractors are simply irked by the fact that she is not making herself available to them so they can devour her.  Everything you said about obedience to the Church is true.  But give me one single fact of her alleged disobedience to the Church, other than the facts that bishops who do not have ecclesiastical authority over her have forbidden her Messages in their jurisdictions?  This cannot constitute a disobedience by her to the Church.  She has stated, moreover, that not a single word in the Messages is from her.  As Christ told her in one of the Messages: “I am the Author.  You are the writer.”  You are entitled to deny that the Messages are from Christ but consider that if they are indeed from Christ, you cannot personally accuse her of pride and disobedience to the Church since she is doing only what Christ has asked her to do.  And she has stated that Christ asked her to keep herself and her family away so all focus will be on the Messages and not on her and her family.  Again, you are entitled to your opinion but when one understands the goal of her entire mission—to save souls—this will not be difficult at all to understand by fair-minded people in this celebrity-obsessed age we currently live in. 
Another important issue that appears lost in this whole debate is the Books of Daniel and Revelations, which speak about the end-time false prophet who will lead people into error, although he will be defeated along with the antichrist.  Yes, Christ promised that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His church but this promise by Christ, when read in juxtaposition with the Books of Daniel and Revelation, are not antithetical to one another because both Daniel and Revelation said the false prophet will be defeated.  Daniel and Revelation are still The Word of God, hence, must be read side by side with other parts of the Bible to understand what we are going through in this time.  St. Francis of Assisi, speaking of this false prophet said; “Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it under foot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days JESUS CHRIST WILL SEND THEM NOT A TRUE PASTOR, BUT A DESTROYER.” (Except for breaking up the narrative into numbered paragraphs and adding bold print for emphasis, the prophecy is presented without any alteration, as given in the Works of the Seraphic Father St. Francis Of Assisi, Washbourne, 1882, pp. 248-250).  The issue in this whole thing is simple: is the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter this false prophet or not?  MDM says he is.  Others object on the ground, among other things, that MDM’s Messages are not approved by Church.  But consider this: if indeed he is the false prophet, how can he approve of MDM’s messages since the core of the Messages are against him?  This is tantamount to asking somebody to investigate himself.  Of course he will produce a report favorable to him.  And if he is the false prophet, how can any bishop support MDM and not run afoul of the Vatican?  Very difficult but not impossible.  No one can legitimately accuse MDM of disobedience to the Church because she has not disobeyed the Bishop who has authority over her.
Another issue to consider.  MDM’s Messages has never asked anyone to disobey the Church.  Never.  Rather, the core of the Messages is that the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is the false prophet we were warned about in the Bible; that we should keep to the True Teachings of Christ if he tries to lead us into error (which the Bible says false prophet will do).  I ask you: if the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter asked you to recognize abortion as right, or gay marriage as right, would you agree?  Most true Catholics would not.  So, nobody is disobeying the Church until we are asked to deviate from the True Teachings of Christ.
Personally, I truly believe this whole thing boils down to fasting and praying.  We pray for him.  We pray for the Church.  We go to the Eucharistic Adoration and pray to Jesus to help us discern His Truth.  We talk to Jesus one-on-one when we receive Him during mass to help us discern His Truth in all of these.  We ask the Blessed Mother through the Holy Rosary to Help us stay close to His son, so we never aggrieve Him by leaving the true path.  Then listen and do whatever Jesus tells you.  He will NEVER forsake you.  This is not a normal time and I pray He opens our hearts to recognize it and help Him save souls.  Only a loving God would make sure a call to His children.

That was a good read Fidelis!  You’re onto it my friend. Remember St Peter and St Paul arguing about the need to be circumcised, before finally agreeing after a period of time that we are all equal under God. In a sense the debate here is similar except we are at odds about the reality of the times we are living through and what has been prophesied in Revelation and Daniel and in other books from the Gospel… The fact of the matter is that Our Loving God is angry about our sin today. I hear so-o much about love, love ,love and glossing over the Sin, which has a consequence and Heaven will warn us soon about the two realities of eternity, and the name for that is… Mercy.

Message of 23 May 2011 about The Warning is worth another read.  ‘The skies will open up….’

To the three peas in a pod!  Let’s get something straight MDM IS A FRAUD and the following three big doctrinal errors in her messages prove it. 

1- Her message that a plenary indulgence can be obtained by saying a particular prayer for seven consecutive days and they will be given the gift of total absolution and the power of the Holy Spirit.  Well sorry to disappoint but total absolution of sins comes through the sacrament of penance, not from reciting a particular prayer over a 7-day period, however meritorious that prayer may be.

2- Jesus does not grant plenary indulgences. He has delegated the dispensing of indulgences to Church authorities. They decide what pious practices merit a plenary indulgence, and the conditions.

3- My Passion the Cross and the atrocities committed by man at My crucifixion have not been revealed to the world in the way they were meant to be.  Really!  The full revelation of Jesus’ passion is found in the four Gospels.  In case you forgot or don’t know the Gospels are inspired by God.  So to claim that events around Jesus’ crucifixion have not been totally revealed flies in the face of Biblical Revelation and implies that the Gospels are defective.  I ask you how can that be since God is the author of Scripture and these Scriptures manifest the mind and will of God. 

BY THE WAY this is just a sampling of her doctrinal errors.

You say MDM’s Messages have never asked anyone to disobey the Church that the core of the Messages is that the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter is the false prophet we were warned about in the Bible. B.S.  If that is not blatantly telling people to ignore this pope because he is a “false prophet” I don’t know what is?  What are you six short of a dozen?  Calling this Holy Father a false prophet means you are undermining people’s trust in the chief shepherd appointed by Christ.  This has no biblical basis and contradicts Church Tradition.  And Fidelis et all I think Pope Francis is going to make a liar and a fool out of MDM and her followers. 

Another point you seem to be fuzzy on is discernment.  You say you are going before the Blessed Sacrament and asking Jesus to help you discern?  And you think the personal and subject conclusion you come to is correct?  Talk about the height of arrogance and pride to think that you on your own can decide if MDM”s message are correct.  Every saint in the history of the Church has submitted themselves and their alleged messages to the authority of the Church and you think you don’t have to or that MDM does not have to?  My must be nice to be your own pope?  I have said it before and I will say it again.  If you were truly looking for help in discerning or for TRUTH you would take it to your parish priest or better still to your local bishop rather than depend on your personal and subjective interpretation.  But obviously that is not something you are willing to do and I believe the reason is that you are afraid to talk to your parish priest or local bishop because you fear you just might be wrong!
You seriously need to take a course in Catholicism 101.

Another one today from Jesus through MDM.  Enjoy everybody!
The world will rejoice, for along with My Church in Rome, the Jewish nations will be cut down
Friday, May 17th, 2013
My dearest daughter, I reveal to you in intimacy My pain and sorrow as I relive, all over again, the agony I endured in the Garden of Olives.
Then My pain, created by the evil one, who showed Me visions of the future, was caused by the paganism which would sweep the Earth in your time. I knew then, just as can be seen now, the hatred in the world which exists for Me, Jesus Christ.
My suffering is exacerbated by the fact that humanity still does not fully understand the Sacrifice, which was made by Me for their souls. My Crucifixion was to save every generation, including those in the world today. My pain is great at this time and My suffering is being manifested within you, My daughter, and other victim souls, so that I can salvage the most ravaged amongst you.
I cry bitter tears and My Heart is heaving as sin is being spread through the laws in your countries, which will force innocent souls into temptation. Not only will they feel that sin can now be justified, because the laws in their countries condone them, but they will also be accused of breaking the laws of their land if they uphold My Holy Word.
Oh how deceived you are. How far you have wandered away from Me. How much you offend Me. Those with responsibility for proclaiming My Word, hear Me now. Your duty is to safeguard My Holy Word at all times. Your vow is to obey My Word and My Teachings, as they were contained in the creation of My Church on Earth. Never deviate from the Truth. Prepare your souls, for soon you will be forced against your will to deny Me through the Sacraments. You must keep alert at all times for the great changes, which lie ahead.
To the whole of humanity, I Call on you to respond to My Voice, the Voice of Truth, the Voice of Love, the Voice of your Master. Soon, you will see Me. Then the cobwebs will be cleared away from your eyes and then the Truth will become clear. When the Day of My Mercy dawns, you must know that My Second Coming will take place very soon afterwards. And while I yearn for all of you to turn to Me, I cry with sorrow for the souls who are lost to Me.
I must warn those who try to stop Me, in the salvation of souls, that I will punish you, should you continue to defy the Word of God. I refer not to these Messages, although I Am saddened that you will not listen to Me, but to the abolition of My Holy Word in your nations.
Light will fight dark. The Light of God keeps you alive. Darkness destroys you. My Light will become brighter and brighter until My Holy Eucharist is banished. Then it will fade. Then My Church will crumble and appear to die. The world will rejoice, for along with My Church in Rome, the Jewish nations will be cut down. This will be the greatest deceit to befall mankind and those who accept this wicked form of paganism will be swept away in the flood. And then, after the fires which will sweep the Earth, will rise My Church, again, into its full glorious form. This will be the end for sinners who refuse My Hand, but the beginning of Eternal Life for those who love Me.
Your Jesus

Hi Margie, You are right. All priests have a duty to stand-up for the teachings of the church and they would therefore dismiss MDM messages. In my humble opinion though, taking the messages to our local priests and bishops (in general) would achieve little for the following reason… priests and bishops (in general) today do not stand up for God’s decrees. To put it bluntly they do not have the care and/nor the courage to preach the faith of Catholicism… In Truth. Now, why on earth would they then embrace writings from a so-called prophet ? They are becoming confused themselves. I pray for 30 years ‘that they would be given the grace to live the priesthood in the way in which Jesus would have them live it’.

Paul
On the issue of priests and bishops not standing up for God’s decree I beg to differ.  there are many, many good and faithful priests and bishops and some of them are in my diocese.  As a matter of fact we have a retired bishop in our parish who is very orthodox and a joy to have around.  Plus I have not met a priest yet who is not concerned about the faith.  as a matter of fact they do a good job of standing up for life and defending the church against the popular and permissive culture we live in. I am especially impressed with the younger priest being ordained they are very Catholic and obedient to the magisterium. 

Keep in mind that it is the local bishop who has jurisdiction in matters of locutions and visions.  A priest can give his opinion but you need the bishop to make it official because he derives his authority from the Apostles since all bishops are the successors of the Apostles.

To believe in something is a matter of choice and if you choose the wrong road then you will discover through time that your choice was wrong or right. I hope and pray that we all make the right choice in life and follow the correct road. God has given us directions and its up to us to listen to Him and follow his directions. He has spoken through many souls in the past and He will probably do so in the future. He told us that we must test the spirits and He also said that many would come in His name who were false. How do we test the spirits? we do this by consulting with Him with an open heart in prayer and listening for His voice. We also look for the signs of an obedient spirit, a spirit who is obedient to the authority that He left on earth which is the magisterium of the church. He would never leave the church His bride without a protecter, a leader, and to say that our present pope is a false prophet is saying that Christ abandoned His church, and this is all based on the word of an anonymous person someone that noone can see or hear. We might as well believe in Santa Claus at least we know he’s a figment of our imaginations.

BIGMO

SO TRUE!

Fair comment Margie. Actually I’d say every priest that entered the seminary would have done so for The Greater Glory of God and to serve His people by their lives. I know that you have vehemently defended the Church as regards these messages and I commend you for this. Many of us including Fidelis have put-in hours of research and thinking(and prayer), for the sake of ‘the messages’ which in itself is a credit to what we know and continue to learn about our faith.
May I say though, and I say this personally, that the Holy Servants of God seem to fall short by their ‘in-action to speak-out’ by this I mean… if they only speak on Love, and disregard so-o much of what is happening today (you know what I mean) then the young ones grow up pretty much condoning Sinful Acts. How free a priest must feel when he explains to souls the fruit of avoiding ‘sins of the flesh’ for example.
We are all called to pray for the clergy and we laity should also stand-up for the cause of right and truth if we observe error (afraid to tell it like it is).

you cannot personally accuse her of pride and disobedience to the Church since she is doing only what Christ has asked her to do

THE ABOVE IS YOUR QUOTE FIDELIS. I ACCUSE HER OF PRIDE AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE CHURCH SIMPLY BECAUSE in the past Christ has told others who are now saints of the church that they must first be obedient to their superiors (church magisterium) even if that means not doing as He has told them.

Paul, our priests are human and many of them lack courage, this we all know but this is probably down to us. How often do you pray in particular for your local priests, we are more inclined to pray for our own needs not realising that good strong courage priests is our most important need. We shouldn’t critizie them we should be supporting them. Let them know that we will support them and stand by them if they have the courage to give a strong homily on the Ten Commandments. I have seen a good priest being attacked verbally because he spoke the truth about the 6th commandment. His reply to his attackers was this. “I am a priest of God and my first duty is to God. I must speak His truth.” I have seen priests get a standing ovation when they couragously spoke the truth. They need our support to make them strong, they need our prayers.

Another thing that is interesting to note about those who cannot see that these messages are from Heaven is this:

After years of almost daily messages there have been no errors exposed except by those who correlate them strictly to Catholic Church teaching (which I agree with unequivocally) .

Has it occurred to these people that Jesus wills to save even those who have done “terrible things”... (Jesus in today’s message states that) “they are closer to Me than those who profess to represent Me on earth, but who are hypocrites, just as the pharisees were”.

Now, how about criticizing these words ? IF Jesus spoke these words in inverted comas above… where is the error in the meaning ? Jesus is speaking to ‘Jews as well as Greeks’... Muslims as well as Christians… to the wicked as well as those who are deceived… to every one of His children of all doctrines, even those (who are the majority) who know nothing about the Catholic Church.

Why ? Because He wants to save us ALL :)

Hi Bigmo, I have many friends who are priests and yes I do encourage them greatly and as I stated in my message above I’ve been praying for them for over 30 years as I will continue to do. I know 1st hand many of their concerns.

Paul
How do you know they are from heaven.  That is a very subjective opinion.

Correlate them strictly to Catholic Church teaching????  Of course they are correlated to Catholic Church teaching since it is Catholic teaching that is being undermined or haven’t you figured that out yet.

Come on Paul this MDM is not attacking Islam or Judaism but Catholicism with her heretical comments and specifically the Papacy by trying to undermine the Petrine Office. 

I find it hard to believe that Jesus would resort to name calling.  When you read St Faustina’s book Divine Mercy in my soul Jesus comes across as kind and merciful, slow to anger and abounding in love.  In MDM"s messages he comes across as anything but that. 

Also you would do well to spend more time reading Scripture rather than her nonsense.

Another thing that is overlooked here is that Jesus is the perfect psychologist and His approach to sinners is always as a Loving Father calling His children back to Him.  Even when Jesus, or God the Father, and Mary have conveyed messages that include strong statements of CONDITIONAL upcoming chastisement and purification these messages are always conveyed in the overall tone and context of peace, love, encouragement, and even joy.  That is something that is missing in MDM”S image of God for her God rants and condemns and seeks only divine retribution.

I much prefer the Jesus of Divine Mercy as revealed to us by St Faustina and whose infinite mercy knows no bounds and who loves us and admonishes us and calls us back in a tone and context of peace

Bigmo, I must commend you for the civility with which you treat your fellow Christians on this forum, even those of us who disagree with you.  As you pointed out, some people have forgotten that this is not about them but about JESUS, and about finding that hard and narrow way He told us leads to Him.  And some people think that by being loud and uncharitable to others, that they can impose their views on them.  Not at all.  To some of us, they sound like voices telling a naked man looking at himself in the mirror that he really is a dog and not a human being.  But you need more than harsh words and loudness to convince that man in the mirror that he really is seeing a dog and not himself. And they forget that even if they have the right answers, their rudeness to others and harshness of language might cause others to not believe them, thinking that Christ, WHOM most of us are looking for, would never be associated with somebody like that as to give him or her a gift of discernment to possess the truth.  I thank you Bigmo for recognizing that for some people on this forum, this is a search for the Truth, not about throwing out some fancy theological terms that confuse people instead of helping them.  As we search for that narrow road, let’s continue to pray, fast, and treat each other with love as Christ would want us to.

To be perfectly honest Fidelis I do not believe for one minute you are looking for truth.  Rather you are looking for justification in the position you have adopted.  I say this because it does not matter who tries to explain to you in the clearest possible way the obvious errors in MDM"s alleged messages you stubbornly cling to your opinion.

You may not like my frankness but I can live with that.  However you do have a not so subtle way of being insulting, condemning and very judgmental. 

This forum is about defending the integrity of the Church, her teachings and the Petrine office that is being attacked by this person you so faithfully follow.

\\My dearest daughter, I reveal to you in intimacy My pain and sorrow as I
relive, all over again, the agony I endured in the Garden of Olives. \\

This statement shows how deceived MDM is. Our glorified and ascended Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ cannot be touched again by the sorrow of His passion, because He rejoices in His sitting at the right hand of His Father.

This claims that Christ can still suffer in Heaven, which goes against the teaching of the Church. If Jesus’s suffering does not end in Heaven, what hope is there for us?

Someone said on here that we cannot be deceived if we believe her locutions because our faith will save us. This is a dangerous error. Only faith in TRUTH can save us. Believing a falsehood will only lead to our soul’s damnation.

Hello again everybody,

I am interested in what it would take believers of MDM’s messages to change their opinion and be convinced that they are false?  Would it be that her prophesies don’t come to pass?  Or that there is obvious heresy in her writings?  Or if her local bishop forbade her to speak?  If you do believe in these messages I am genuinely interested in what you think would/could convince you otherwise, (I am hoping you would not say ‘nothing would convince me otherwise’ or else you are not using proper discernment, and ignoring Christ’s advice in scripture!). Fidelis and Paul, you seem to want to follow Jesus genuinely and with much love, so I’d particularly be interested in your answers.

I would also like to point out this: IF MDM IS mistaken about Pope Francis being the false prophet, (if one doesn’t concede this is a possibility then again, one is not exercising proper discernment, and please read again the link I supplied in my last post!) IF, Pope Francis is not the false prophet there is no way then he can clear himself from these accusations.  The mud has been slung.  Benedict cannot convince us of his free renunciation of the papacy other than his words which are now interpreted as lies, even if under duress.  Whatever Pope Francis says/does will be interpreted as being said or done ‘for show’, but that internally he is evil, and secretly carrying out destructive plans.  Pope Francis will not have the obedience given to him by the faithful which is rightfully due to the Pope, and upon which all belief in the authority of the Church is based, because of a slanderous comment.  He will not be able to sanction against MDM’s messages either directly or through his bishops because this will be disbelieved and interpreted as an evil act just done to ‘suppress the truth’.  Can you see now how there is no way for Pope Francis in the event that MDM’s messages are not from God?  Can you see how damaging such claims are if they are false?

So another question: what would Pope Francis have to do to convince believers of MDM’s messages that he is a true Pope validly elected and the true representative of Christ on earth?

Please reply to this, again, I am genuinely interested and have no desire to be uncharitable to anyone, even if I have a different opinion!  God knows each of our hearts.  I don’t believe we would be posting here if we didn’t want God’s Truth to reign

Hi Bernadette, These are all very wise questions and I’ll think and pray about them first. Cheers, (...perhaps you could pray for me also that I grant a reply which is inspired by the Holy Spirit :)

Thanks Paul, You absolutely have my prayers!

Bernadette: Thanks for your question.  The answer is the grace of God.  That is why I suggested earlier on numerous occasions that we continue to pray for one another.  Nothing is impossible to God, and if by His grace He moves me to believe otherwise, then I definitely will thank Him and admit that I was wrong all along.  Trust me that would not be a problem for me at all.  Even with my believe in MDM’s prophecies, however, I still pray for him and the Church daily, in hopes that God would bring about the best result for His Body, the Church.  So, I still hope that some good would emerge in the end with our prayers and fasting.  My fear is that because every Word of God in the Bible must be fulfilled, if he indeed is the false prophet, we know how that movie will end because the Bible already said so. I do not believe that any damage would be done to anybody in the event he turns out not to be the false prophet because God is involved.  He can turn any negative situation into the most wonderful outcome that would wow anybody.  That is vintage God.  But I also ask you, Bernadette, what would it take you to believe that the current occupant of the Chair of St. Peter in Rome is the Biblical false prophet?  The Warning?  In such event, would you be humble enough to admit you were wrong all along.
Thanks.

Ridelis, if you have something to say to someone then do so directly, please don’t use me as an intercessor. There is such a thing as a just anger and when someone attacks our Holy Father Pope Francis then they have every right to be angry in defense of him and his office. MDM is going down the same road as King Henry V1 or was it the V111. He wouldn’t accept the authority of the Holy Father and look where if left England and all her neighbours. Protestant means to protest against the ecclesiastical authority of the church and thats where MDM is leading you and many others. If you are in agreement with MDM and her messages then you are no longer Catholic, you are a schismatic, you are excommunicated. So to receive the sacraments you must confess your sin of schism. What do you do when you are at Mass and they pray for the Holy Father Our Pope, do you go silent? if you do then you are not fully partaking in Holy Mass. You are picking what you like and ignoring what you don’t like. You say you are praying for him but this is not enough you must be obedient to him and accept him as Christ’s Vicar on earth.I now tell you that you’re a protestant and the only one that doesn’t know it yet is you.

Bernadette great insights and great questions.

To answer your questions I would say that sometimes it is easier to close one’s eyes to the truth because acknowledging that we are wrong can be very painful.  That I believe is why it is possible for some people to totally deny the truth that has been presented them even when they have been provided with credible evidence that corroborates what they are saying.  I also believe it has a lot to do with placing blind trust in what someone says because it is what a person wants to believe.  If we are looking for truth then we must open our minds and objectively examine what has been discovered, look at the facts presented and truthfully acknowledge in the face of new evidence that we were misled or deceived. 

However for some it is far easier to maintain one’s misguided and misinformed faith rather than deal with the pain of being deceived.  The consequences of that is that people end up believing what they must rather than what is true and as time passes it is easy to erase the distinction between the facts in order to maintain the fiction.

That being said we must look at what MDM’s alleged messages are saying and place them alongside what the Church has constantly taught for 2000 years, what authority has been handed on to her by Christ and how she has the divine right to exercise this authority to determine truth from falsehood.  We need to look at what the Petrine Office is and what Christ has guaranteed to this office when it pronounces itself in matters of faith and morals.  God is not a liar and His promises are forever. 

As you mention the mud has been slung and MDM has cast such doubts on the Papacy that nothing can clear either Pope Francis or Benedict (in their minds) since we are dealing with closed-mindedness.  As you say Pope Francis and Benedict XVI are doomed if they do and doomed if they don’t.  In other words there is no objective truth here only peoples subjective opinions and to them both Francis and Benedict are liars.

Again as you say her claims are very damaging.  And to answer your question “what would Pope Francis have to do to convince MDM followers”.  There is nothing he can do since as you said anything he says or does will be interpreted as just for show and that inwardly he is a liar who is secretly carry out evil plans. (As if any of us are privy to his private, internal thoughts) and his goal is to suppress the truth.

Søren Kierkegaard sums up such people when he said “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

Catholicism numbers 1.2 billion in the world and thankfully most believe in the Pope and his Petrine ministry.  There are also highly intelligent and highly educated people who also love the Pope, respect him and his office and are faithful to him and the magisterium of the Church.  And might I add gifted with a good sense of discernment.

Long after MDM has faded and gone the Papacy will be there continuing to guide us in all truths for we have Christ’s promise on that one.  The Church has weathered heresies in the past, rebuked them and rose triumphant and she will weather and triumph over this one as well.

Bernadette asked a few good questions above.

There is no right nor wrong answer really because it’s a matter of discernment: bty Jesus was once asked “On whose authority do you do all these things ?” and He answered with a question which was in the form of a riddle :) ...and for a good reason.

May I ask readers to answer YES/NO to the following:  Did Our Lady appear at the following places…
Tung Lu, China 1900 ? ...Fatima 1917 ... Beauraing, Belgium 1932 ... Akita, Japan 1973 ... Betania Venezuela, 1976,  Kehebo, Rwanda, 1981 ... Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovinia 1981-present ?    YES or NO ?
Is Jesus speaking to Alan Ames of Perth Western Australia ? Did Our Lady appear at Garabandal, Spain 1961-1963 ?  Did Our Lady grant inner-locutions to Fr Stefano Gobbi (verbatim) 1973-1997 ?
Did Our Lady appear at Lourdes, France ? Did Jesus narrate verbatim ‘Through the Eyes of Jesus’ to Alan Ames ?
Did Our Lady grant messages to Vassula Ryden ? Did Jesus grant His messages of Mercy to the world through Sister Faustina ?... Christina Gallagher ?  ...is Heaven granting messages verbatim to Maria Divine Mercy ? Whether you answered Yes or No is not really important. What is important is this:

Did you begin to pay more ? ...fast more ? Attend more Masses, Rosaries, Divine Mercies, perform charitable works. Did you begin to forgive people that you never could ? Did you attain a greater understanding of Amazing Divine Mercy ? Did you look forward to setting your alarm clock to 5.45am so you could receive Jesus in the Eucharist, daily if possible ? ... because none of us can fall in Love with a God whom we hardly know.
Conclusion: When I observe people like the late Fr Slavko Barbaric, Fr Jozo, Pope John Paul 2 and meditate on their words and their lives…I know that I ned to copy them if I am ever going to make it to Heaven.
It’s not so much what we read or observe…it’s more about our response. Our desire to serve, to love and to forgive and I’m a long way from being where I need to be;  and there’s only one way in which I’ll ever make it in the end, There by the grace of God go I. 
I love to know what Heaven is saying to us in our days and there’s a few things I know about Jesus, He’s very loving in His approach and in particular with sinners. The greater the sinner the greater His Love. He’s simple, He holds a great love of His Mother Mary and His Father and He tells us that our time here is very short compared to eternity. When He came the first time, he came to save sinners. His second coming though He comes as the Just Judge…and I’m not ready, yet :(
Could these messages to MDM be proved wrong ? Yes. Do I believe now that they will be ? No.  Do I pray fervently for Pope Francis ? Yes (but I do wonder).  What would convince me that these messages are not true ? 
If Our Lady had not written so-o much about ‘ecclesiastical masonry’ and how it had infiltrated the upper echelons of the Vatican, and also about the coming ‘illumination of our consciences’ in the beautiful book… She also speaks of how many bishops and priests are on the road to perdition and taking many souls with them. Pope John Paul 2 and Fr Gobbi were good friends. To the Priests My dearly beloved Sons (It’s a block of Gold).
What would it take to convince me that these messages are not from Heaven ?... If everything that Jesus is speaking about with regard to the imminent Warning do not happen within one year of today.

The Italian mystic, Luisa Piccarreta, whose cause for beatification is in progress, wrote great works about the Divine Will. She wrote that ‘every two thousand years there has been a great renewal. Two thousand years after creation there was the deluge of water. Two thousand years after the deluge of water, there was the deluge of blood: the redemption. After two thousand years there will be the deluge of fire - a spiritual fire, I think - and finally, the Kingdom of the Divine Will will come upon earth, because every creature will fulfill the Divine Will in a perfect way.’ 
I believe that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Maria) will coincide with the Triumph of the Sacred Heart of Jesus (Divine Mercy) at the Second Pentecost which will occur simultaneously with the Warning (mini-judgement) followed (some time later) by the Second Coming of Christ in Glory (Eucharistic Reign of Christ).
Ok, shoot me down team :)

Thanks Jimmy… this blog posting is very concise and well-written.  It explains clearly the trouble being caused by this false prohphet.

I also see the MDM messages as very scary and many Catholics who follow her are no doubt going down a dangerous road.

I even made the Facebook page to bring awareness to it’s messages:
Jesus To Mankind - False Teachings

I don’t have 17,000 likes… but who ever said the narrow road would be easy.

Thanks again!  ;)

Thanks for your answers, all! 
Fidelis, if you are depending upon the grace of God with prayer and fasting, then you are certainly ordered to the right end.  You are correct that God does will all things and that He is certainly in control with everything that happens.  However, I disagree, much harm and confusion would result in the meantime. That’s why Jesus warned us against false prophets. Not that God won’t triumph ultimately of course, but there are still consequences.  I am also assuming that this change of mind/heart would also involve your reason and not just a ‘feeling’? 
In answer to your question, what would it take me to believe the current occupant of the Chair of St Peter (Pope Francis) is the biblical false prophet?  Two things: Firstly, uniequivocal proof that pope emeritus (previously Benedict XVI, Joseph Ratzinger) was co-erced and therefore under duress when he resigned, in the form of this being admitted BY him personally (a filmed statement) AND, a heretical teaching professed by Pope Francis in an EX-CATHEDRA statement.  (Ex cathedra refers to when the Holy Father speaks in the full capacity of his office from the cathedra or seat of Peter to authoritatively define a dogma of the Church.)  That is, an ex-cathedra statement from Pope Francis saying for example that the resurrection of Jesus never occured, or denying another fundamental truth of the faith, previously given to us in an ex-cathedra statment.  Given a valid pope cannot do this (a validly elected pope has NEVER done this)  if the current pope did this, he wouldn’t truly be pope.
And yes, if these two things happened together of course I would be humble enough to admit I am wrong!
But I don’t believe it will…
Margie, I rvalue your comments!  You remind us that the Church has been in many storms and struggles - I was listening to a youtube video about St Catherine of Siena yesterday, and the state of the Church in those days .... eeeek!  And you rightly put the onus where it should be: the infallibility of the Church and that God works through it first and foremost.  All things need to submit to Her.  We already have what we need! .
Paul, (don’t worry, no shooting down from me!) You make a very good point in that the real litmus test is the effect these (and all apparitions/prophesies etc.) have on our individual soul.  It IS more about our response. - I guess that’s why I am concerned.  Some people will unwisely latch onto something untrue and will be drawn away in confusion and then schism.  Where I live there have been many people I know were sure that William Kamm (the Little Pebble) was going to be the next pope. You may know of him.  I won’t go into details if you do not, wikipedia has an article on him for for anyone interested.  Suffice to say it all began with people living intense lives of prayer, fasting, recourse to the sacrament, and ended very badly.  I know many also affected by the same with the Magnificat Meal Movement, Deborah Gillespie, again, all started very much like MDM, but slowly put obedience to her above obedience to the Church and God.  hers was a particularly evil and insidious movement.

But Paul, in your list of appartions/messages there are also many (not all! ) that ARE true. The true ones DO point to the fact that we are in a pivotal time in history.  Something big is brewing! And I also believe that freemasonry (and planted communists) have infiltrated the Church.  We DO need to wake up!  I guess all these apparitions/prophesies are a little like minefields.  We need to plant our feet VERY carefully.  As you rightly say, “There by the grace of God go I!”